Bills will have strong options in second round
by Brian Galliford on Apr 23, 2010 8:34 AM EDT
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PrintLast night, the Buffalo Bills raised a few eyebrows when they used the No. 9 overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft on Clemson running back C.J. Spiller. Long painted as a franchise that would target help at one of its four critical need areas (QB, OT, NT, OLB) in the first round, the selection of Spiller caught many people off guard.
Whether or not you're a fan of Spiller's - I am, by the way, and my sense is that the vast majority of Bills fans understand that the Bills took a phenomenally talented player last night, regardless of their views on needs - Buffalo still must address some of its biggest holes. With the second round of the draft set to begin tonight, there are several options available that would make a great deal of sense to Buffalo.
After the jump, you'll find my (slightly modified due to circumstances) list of the nine players left on the board that I believe would best fit Buffalo - from a need and talent standpoint - with their second-round pick (No. 41 overall). If you've been frequenting Buffalo Rumblings for longer than, say, 24 hours - or are capable of interpreting the picture to the left - you know who tops the list. But that young man isn't the only player that would be a solid pick for Buffalo this evening.
1. Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame. In my estimation, Clausen is by far the best player remaining on the board, and it's not remotely close. He also happens to play the one position that Buffalo needs to address most, and he does it pretty damned well. I think Clausen has a shot to be an elite NFL signal caller, and if I'm Buddy Nix, I'm not hesitating to do what I need to do to move up and get this guy on my football team. Then again, if I'm Nix, I take Clausen at nine and move on. We'll see. My hopes are not high, but boy, I think the Bills have a unique opportunity to be bold and get themselves a true franchise quarterback prospect tonight. I list Clausen at No. 1 here, which makes it seem like Nos. 2 through 9 are close, but they aren't - he's the only pick that I'd be truly elated with tonight.
2. Terrence Cody, NT, Alabama. Cody is one of a very small handful of prospects still available that has the ability to elevate the level of play of his teammates simply by being on the field. That is how dominant this guy can be, even when he's not playing particularly well. I've said all along that if Buffalo is serious about shoring up their run defense, nobody can help that situation more this year than Cody. He's not a guy I'd move up for, because there are other nose tackle options that I like, but Cody would be a fantastic value/need addition for Buffalo at No. 41. Unless they pass on Clausen to get him - which wouldn't surprise me - you won't hear a word of dissent from me. Cody's a monster.
3. Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas. I'm not as high on Kindle as most; he's not a natural pass rusher, nor is he as explosive as he's made out to be. But he's active, a solid athlete, and had something of a flair for the dramatic while at Texas. I honestly believe that his best pro position will be at strong-side linebacker in the 4-3; if a team picked him to do what Brian Cushing does in Houston, that's where Kindle will be at his best. But he'd be a nice value pick for Buffalo, able to add a coverage and blitzing element to Buffalo's scant depth chart at OLB.
4. Charles Brown, OT, USC. I'm a big fan of Brown's. I've said for months that the big names in this year's tackle class were being overhyped, and I think in the long run, Brown has just as much talent and upside as most of those guys. He's technically raw and needs to get more powerful, but Brown has the feet, length and athleticism to not only start as a rookie, but be a surprising, impressive pass protector. He's not a finished product, but I think he's going to enjoy a long, solid career as a starting left tackle in this league, and would be pleased if he slipped to Buffalo at 41.
5. Colt McCoy, QB, Texas. Conventionally, I think Colt McCoy is a terrible fit for Buffalo. He doesn't have the mechanical issues of a Tim Tebow, but he's not as talented, either - he's not as effective at eluding pressure, does not have Tebow's arm strength, and will have the same learning curve in picking up the intricacies of an NFL offense and diagnosing an NFL defense. At the same time, nothing about Chan Gailey is conventional, and I think Spiller's selection opens up the possibility that the Bills could incorporate a significant chunk of the spread offense into their playbook, with Spiller playing a Percy Harvin-like role. That opens the door for a guy like McCoy, whose collegiate experience and production, elite intangibles and accuracy will appeal to Nix, and whose athleticism and smarts will appeal to Gailey. I'm not sure he slides all the way to Buffalo, but if that's the plan, I wouldn't be shocked - nor particularly dismayed - if Buffalo made a move to get him. That'd be an interesting story to follow, eh?
6. Vladimir Ducasse, OG, Massachusetts. Long term, I think Ducasse has a shot to be a left tackle in this league, but he's so raw and inexperienced that you almost have to start him off inside or at right tackle. With a veritable three-headed monster at running back, it looks like Buffalo's going to be running the ball quite a bit, and given the health status of Eric Wood, it might not be a bad idea for the Bills to add an athletic, mauling guard capable of swinging out to tackle. I think Ducasse is a great blocking personality fit for the Bills, and he'd help shore up an offensive line that could use reinforcement stat.
7. Rodger Saffold, OT, Indiana. If you're asking me for a gut-reaction call, I'll tell you that I think if available, Saffold will be Buffalo's second-round pick. Saffold was coached at Indiana by Bobby Johnson, who is now the Bills' assistant offensive line coach under Gailey. There will be a great deal of familiarity with Saffold as a player and a person, and I haven't forgotten the fact that Buffalo desperately needs a left tackle despite my misgivings about Saffold's fit in a city like Buffalo. There are certainly worse picks that Buffalo could make, but I list Saffold this low for a reason. He'd fall into the realm of "solid, wholly unspectacular pick" for Buffalo in round two.
8. Eric Norwood, OLB, South Carolina. I love this guy. I think he's one of the most underrated and underappreciated prospects available this year, though it's not hard to understand why that is - he's kind of a one-trick pony. He's a fantastic fit for OLB in a 3-4 alignment, and I think he's got the requisite explosion and knack for rushing the passer to be a consistent 6-10 sack guy for the next decade. Schematically, he's limited, and he'll need to learn to drop back into coverage (which he's athletic enough to do). I believe that Buffalo's pass rush is a far more critical need area than most, and I'd be happy with this selection.
9. Linval Joseph, NT, East Carolina. Many experts believed that Joseph had risen high enough to receive first-round consideration. Fast risers are always tricky to project, and trickier to get excited about, but Joseph's potential is enormous. He weighs in at 328 pounds and is brutally strong (he was a junior high weightlifting champion), but he's also a tremendous athlete, and has the athletic chops to play end in a 3-4 alignment as well. That versatility will serve him well. I worry about his desire and the fact that he needs work technically, but if the Bills are planning to reach a little to fill a need in the second round, Joseph might be one of a very small number of players that might be worth the risk.
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I agree that Spiller’s vastly talented. On film, he appears like he’ll be a great player. My problem is that running backs have short lifespans and for a bad team, they’re not all that high in value in that a replacement player can usually accomplish just as much alongside the same personnel (the same argument for dumping Henry, McGahee, Lynch, etc.).
I think he’ll be a good to great running back. I think 20 years from now, nobody will ever rip this pick. I think 3 years from now, Buffalo’s playoff-less streak will have reached 13…toys like CJ Spiller are for the rich, not for teams that cry poor in free agency like the Bills; they need to get their bluechip quarterbacks and linemen with their first round picks
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by Port Royal on Apr 23, 2010 7:30 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Think LT
and what he did in san diego that team was terrible and for along time LT was “the GUY” in SD i think that Spiller will become a threat to score whenever he is on the field whether he is catching the ball, running or returning kicks
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by BRIANMULHALL on Apr 23, 2010 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I picture
Spiller being maybe a faster Brian Westbrook. (Just for the sake of comparison, I am not in any way saying Spiller is the NEXT Brian Westbrook)
Also, maybe he knows how to blitz block. That’s been an issue, even with Fred Jackson
Look at it this way, in 5 of the 10 games the Bills lost last year, they lost by a touchdown or less. If they had a guy like Spiller last year, let’s say he gets into the endzone two or three times in addition to what the Bills scored in those games. If that were true the Bills are 8-8 or 9-7 instead of 6-10. What Spiller does is not just give the Bills more depth where RB is concerned, he gives them more depth as far as finishing games is concerned (as the Bills dropped more games in the 4th than I’d care to count, seems to be a trend in Buffalo sports, I’m looking at you, Sabres.). I seriously think that the Bills can get more production out of Spiller than they can out of Lynch (who I see showing up, whenever and wherever that may be, a bit out of shape and perhaps with a pound of weed in his trunk. Spiller can catch a pass, whereas Lynch isn’t really interested in catching anything thrown to him unless its a bong.
I think as far as tonight is concerned, finding a LT still has to be at the top of the list. I also wouldn’t rule out (as I hope it happens) the idea of a Lynch or Lynch/Whitner deal to grab another second round pick and fill two needs in the second.
Heck, you add a couple of 4th quarter first downs, and we win those games. What’s really crazy is that we were in any of those games AT ALL
For sure. I just wonder what the effect of having a healthier squad might be. Given the games missed by starters due to injury over the last few years, we’ll probably have a couple of starters extra production from the team if they are healthy.
I wish they had like VORP in MLB, (value over replacement player)
by syrbillsfan on Apr 23, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea definitely. I agree completely. That’s one of the ways the NFL and be more like baseball.
As far as the starters, if the Bills had any continuity last year, who knows how different their season would have been? That’s why I like what Chan is doing with the Bills’ strength and conditioning by dividing it up between two different types of players going to two different coaches. Hopefully Poz can avoid breaking something this year and Hardy can stay away from tearing something. I’d say “hopefully out O-Line can stay healthy,” but honestly, how much of a difference would it have made. The only ones I care about staying healthy are Wood, Levitre, and, to a lesser extent, Green.
agreed and rec'd
Spiller may go on to have an Eric Dickerson-like, Hall-of-Fame career. How many rings did Dickerson win? It’s eminently possible for the guy to be both productive and exciting, and yet no help at all. The Bills were 30th in pass offense and rushing defense last year. How does Spiller change either of those things, even if he rushes for 1400 yards as a rookie?
The game is won by a.) having the franchise QB, b.) protecting the franchise QB, c.) attacking and defending opposing franchise QBs. They’re sitting down to a chess match without a queen. Drafting knights and bishops doesn’t change the fact they still don’t have a queen.
by Brian in Shortsville on Apr 23, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The game is won by a.) having the franchise QB,
So Trent Dilfer was the franchise QB for Baltimore when they won the Super Bowl?
A competent QB is what you need
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One competant QB wins a Super Bowl with a historic defense and now all we need is a competant QB? You need somebody who is, at the very least, above average. The 2nd worst QB to win a Super Bowl since was probably Eli Manning. Buffalo needs more than competance at quarterback.
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by kaisertown on Apr 23, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No. You need a QB doesn’t screw up to win. You need an elite QB to be an elite offense.
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The list of QBs who have won a Super Bowl during the last 20 years is pretty much a list of the games most elite QBs. You don’t win consistently without a top 15 QB.
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by kaisertown on Apr 23, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The origianl quote to which I was responding:
The game is won by a.) having the franchise QB,
My Point is that you don’t NEED an elite QB to win games. To be an elite OFFENSE then you need an elite QB.
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I have a funny feeling
Nix and co want nothing to do with Clausen, as strange as that may sound. I mean, what realistic scenario can we present where they feel waiting until the 2nd is the best plan? Sure he’s still here for 31 other teams so something must have scared everyone enough, but he’s a talent unlike anyone else outside the top 3 QBs.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 23, 2010 7:30 AM EDT reply actions
If they’re doing solid BPA throughout the draft it’ll be hard for them to pass on Clausen now though.
The problem is that the Rams are going to hear a LOT of offers for that pick, can we beat them? Our only real trade bait is Whitner and Lynch, and they already have a bruiser with Steven Jackson.
So what are the chances for an Avalanche vs. Sabres finals, eh?
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Clausen
The teams around the league must have gleaned something from him through interviews / tape / Charlie Weiss?
I always thought he was sort of a plick, but he does seem talented. If he’s still there at 41, he’s worth a flier.
I agree and it really pisses me off. Trent Edwards can’t get it done. period. end of story. there was a time when that was still in doubt, but I don’t think there should be any doubt anymore. They need to get someone in at QB that can make things happen or this team is not going anywhere. I think Clausen is the best player on the board, but I don’t think he will make it past Seattle and Pete Carroll again. I’m actually okay if they try and can’t move up to get him, and then take an OT, but if he’s there at 41 and they pass again. I don’t know what to say. I think OT and QB are the only legitimate picks with their next pick. Yes NT is a need, but this draft is loaded with 3-4 lineman talent. Their may only be 1 or 2 good QB’s in the entire draft. If they are really concerned about the offense they’ll improve the most important offensive position.
Or they can just continue doing the crap that has got us a decade’s worth of top 15 draft picks. They’ll probably draft a safety or nickel back.
Just because there are only 1-2 good QBs in the entire draft doesn’t mean it’s the best player for them to take or that they think he should be the franchise QB.
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by thefourwinds on Apr 23, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Chiming in here...
to totally agree. The depth chart in my mind is #14, #4, #5 — not saying Trent should be standing on the sidelines, though, saying he should be gone. He’s blown his shot, though in truth I think DJ blew it for him by moving him up in ’07.
Seriously, I can think of so many players that (again quoting Gene Hackman) “should’ve been holding a clipboard the first season” and instead got tossed to the wolves. JP should’ve gotten sent right out there for the rest of the season once he came back.
Draft Philosphy
does anyone else agree with this philosphy
the first rd u take the best palyer no matter what u add talent u dont think about neeed u just try and hit a(safe) home run CJ Splller is that IMO
the needs come in the rest of the draft
the money isnt as great invested and there are plenty of good players left .. so i loive this pick and i really think that LYnch should play out his contract in Buffalo and we can have a three headed monster while they are all under contract (Jackson,Lynch and Spiler that is)
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Bingo
I think you hit the nail on the head…money. It does make sense that you have to draft someone in the top 10 that is worth top 10 money that will be more of a safe pick and help sell tickets. Don’t underestimate the influence of Russ Brandon who has become a master at selling tickets if nothing else. The fact is the Bills din’t have a star player until now.
You don’t sell tickets with a Left Tackle or a Nose Tackle whose main job is to take on blockers. If they draft Clausen, maybe he starts, maybe he doesn’t. If he does, he’s still a rookie that will have growing pains but the fans are impatient and would eat him up if he doesn’t produce right away.
So it comes down to marketing, money and the best player available.
I was disappointed when I first heard the pick but now it all makes sense. They can fill their needs later in the draft or through free agents or cuts from other teams.
The fact is the Bills din’t have a star player until now.
I wouldn’t consider Spiller a star. Most casual Bills fans would have no idea who Spiller is.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
the new draft format
could work in our favor. We have all day to discuss a trade/trades for Lynch (or whomever).
While Spiller was not the “consensus” pick, I am at peace with it (or numb maybe). There are some quality players in your article. We will know the Bills true evaluation of Clausen if no trade is made to move up. I don’t see him falling to 41.
I said last night that I believe the Bills covet a QB in the ‘11 draft. No matter who is QB this year, our record will not be very good. If they’re not sold on Clausen that’s that. I’m not truly sold on him either.
The new format could make for some interesting transactions today.
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Ya gotta excuse me....
Cause I’m still numb, and trying to sort this out in my mind…. Losing out on Tebow the way we did, only compounded that feeling…
As for Spiller.. Hate it, cause I’ve been knocking on him since day one as being too easy to tackle… Man!!!! I just didn’t want, nor expect that pick over any of the other players available!!!
All that said however… It’s a new GM, and a new Coach, who I have to believe, for my own sanity, not only did their due diligence, but unlike me, saw this guy as a can’t miss, above everyone else on their board type pick…. And at least we don’t “have to” keep Roscoe now, and T Mac shouldn’t have to return kicks…
Today??? If we deal for, or draft Clausen, I’ll probably be comatose shortly after… In truth, if we went QB with our second pick, I’d much rather have McCoy, or trade for Campbell, or stick with what we have already for another year… Still thinking aloud though, if we did get one of the aforementioned 2, at least the investment is a lot less money than it was in rd 1….
Ahhhhh, my head hurts… Gotta find the aspirin…
Losing out on Tebow the way we did
Denver gave up three picks to get him accorfing to the paper today. Would you want to give up 3 picks? Not me… that would Losman-like blunder we could not afford to make. Sure Tebow is not Losman and could have made the franchise… but I would rather have players… Spiller is curious, but we might have drafted the best pure offensive player in the draft
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by killascript on Apr 23, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
REC'D!
I can’t believe all the “Missed out on Tebow” talk. Denver? Three picks? That is ridiculous. Denver is going to feel that for years to come, even if Tebow works out in the end. I liked Tebow, but I know the way everyone became enamored with him, the only ending to a Bills-Tebow story would be one of heartbreak and unmet expectations.
As far as the Spiller pick – what have the Bills had trouble doing for ten years? Score points. Spiller can score regardless of who the QB is. The problem here last year was – injuries and no offensive gameplan. I think going back to Gilbride, outside of language, the Bills offensive playbooks would have been better used as kindling. I think they consisted of 100 copies each of three plays – deep to Evans / TO w/ checkdown to RB, run up the middle, 0 yard out in the flat to the TE. It didn’t matter the coordinator. Same crap, each page was given a different name.
I think if nothing else, Gailey brings a good head for offense, and has an overall gameplan for the offense. In the past he also has shown flexibility to make the most of what he has. If the strength / conditioning guys can keep our starters on the field, I think we’ll be alright.
Denver joined Jacksonville as the Al Davis’ of this years draft. The disappointment is that the Broncos did something so completely stupid to ruin the Bills shot at getting Tebow.
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FYI
In an interview just posted on buffalobills.com, Nix says that they were trying to move back into the first to pick a player, but that player was not Tim Tebow.
Blowing smoke? Or did everyone have it wrong yesterday?
Bunch of BS.....
Blowing smoke? Or did everyone have it wrong yesterday?
so when they trade up to get Clausen (if they can) they can say he was their guy
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Really....
would anyone expect Nix to come out this morning and tell us, “darn it guys, we tried real hard to get Tebow, and I’m gonna retire right now cause I failed”….
Nix says to us, Tebow wasn’t in their plans, but that they did try to trade up for someone… I guess we’ll speculate for the rest of the year on who it was he tried to get, because right around the Tebow pick, there were a few other guys we’ve all discussed as a possible pick for us…
As for me… I’m ready to drop it, move on, and enjoy the rest of the surprises we now know are in store for us in this draft…
Denver basically traded Jay Cutler
For Tim Tebow. Cuz arent the draft choices about equal each way?
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
The Bears got two firsts and a third for Cutler. So no.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
for the last time
I can’t believe all the "Missed out on Tebow" talk.
I dont think people are mad at Nix. I dont think people dont like Spiller. I dont think people wanted to mortgage the entire draft like Denver did. But why is it so outrageous that some of us are disappointed we didnt get Tebow?? Cinga said he was numbd. He really wanted Tebow. A lot of us really wanted ANY QB. Just because Denver did something stupid to take Tebow away from us doesnt mean we’re not going to be disappointed we didnt get a QB. I dont get you guys who are ridiculing the people that are disappointed. Just because the Bills didnt do anything stupid doesnt mean we still dont have a QB – thats what we’re numb about.
Come on guys, its not that complicated where we are coming from.
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by poz on Apr 23, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I want a QB too – not a Tight End who won’t be able to pretend he MIGHT work out as a QB until after the Mayan Calender ends.
So what are the chances for an Avalanche vs. Sabres finals, eh?
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ok thats your opinion
and you’ve let it known in every thread. Some of us dont share it.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 23, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah, good. Someone can explain this rationally….because like Cinga, I am numb as well. Can’t process thoughts.
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by Jon Harrington on Apr 23, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
think of it this way
if the only way to go on the vacation of your dreams meant spending too much money, missing time from work that would of cost you a promotion and ditched your wife you wouldnt go on that vacation no matter how much you wanted it. It doesnt mean your not going to be bummed out about not going for the next week. Especially when you had it planned out in your head.
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by poz on Apr 23, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ya...numb is a good word for it.....just can't understand what they were thinking
Not that I don’t like Spiller….just don’t love him. As Mort said, to take someone that high, you have to love him.
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You’re kind of projecting your feelings about Spiller on the FO, at least a little bit. Nix was quoted as saying that if Spiller was there when they picked, they were certain that they were going to take him. I guess we can assume they “love him.” Only time will tell if they’re justified in feeling that way.
I get you’re disappointed, and I get why. I’m not saying you’re right or wrong, either. I’m just trying to help you on the road to recovery/acceptance. :)
Gonna need all the help I can get......a smart round 2 and 3 would help the most :-)
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I’m going to go crazy if we don’t get Clausen. We desperately need a franchise QB and Clausen is the second best QB in the draft and offers absolutely fantastic value in the second round
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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Apr 23, 2010 8:06 AM EDT reply actions
Clausen is the second best QB in the draft and offers absolutely fantastic value in the second round
What does that say of the “quality” of the QB prospects in this draft? I hope St. Louis is ready to watch Bradford BUST (not that it will be his fault, by any means). Then there’s Clausen. Just because we need a QB and these guys are out there doesn’t make them possible franchise quarterbacks. I’m kind of glad the NFL scouts agreed with me that this QB class is pretty mediocre. That’s how I saw it.
Please don’t go crazy when they don’t get Clausen. He’s not worth the trouble.
Don't like
McCoy or Ducasse, but would be happy with any of the other guys. I really want Clausen, but if we can get Brown or Saffold, I’ll be willing to give CHIX a pass on the Spiller pick. If they don’t think Clausen is a franchise QB, then I really think they need to go LT with the next pick and get that position locked down for the next several years. Then focus on NT and OLB with the 3rd nad 4th round picks (maybe Norwood can slide to 3rd). Get our franchise QB in 2011, because we’ll be in the top 5 picks next year anyway.
I think the worst case scenario is that we don’t get our franchise QB or our long term LT in this draft. We need to have at least one of those positions filled in this draft.
Agree on McCoy and Ducasse
So far as I can tell McCoy doesn’t have the requisite arm strength for Buffalo, while Ducasse may never make it beyond OG and is thus too much of a risk. I also don’t see the point of Linval Joseph — Cam Thomas and Terrell Troup are much better prospects at NT and Troup could well be available in the third round. I’m also skeptical about Mount Cody — he kept getting tired out playing at the college level, which makes one wonder how durable he will be in the NFL where the game is so much faster. I would have no complaint about Kindle, but wonder if Norwood is actually a better bet.
Saffold strikes me as the BPA at this point. Brian and I disagree on him, with Brian convinced that he lacks the power to be effective in the running game that Gailey envisions. My understand of Saffold is that he is a perfectly good run-blocker now and will only get better after a year in the Bills’ strength-building program. No one doubts his chops as a top-flight pass-blocker. Brown could be just as impressive but needs more development and experience. As for Clausen, I will defer completely to Nix and Gailey on him. If they think he is good enough to justify the expense of moving up to #33 to get him (which is what it will probably take), then I’m all for it, but so far as I can tell they don’t like him enough to do that. If that’s the case I trust their judgment.
I have never been so disappointed in a draft. I’m not taking anything away from Spiller, because he is an ELECTRIC player. But this is where I disagree with BPA. Despite the fact I thought Jimmyboy was BPA at that point, i think you should have to preface BPA with the needs of your team. If you have FOUR major needs for your team, you have should pick BPA out of those needs, not overall. What if we don’t make a trade to get clausen or mccoy, and the BPA at 41 is a DB? Are you kidding me?
If the new regime wants any faith in it at all, they will trade up and get clausen. From everything i’ve heard, nix and co thought Tebow was that once in a generation franchise qb, and they didn’t do enough to get him. Talk about stumbling out of the gate.
by quantumuprising on Apr 23, 2010 8:10 AM EDT reply actions
Talk about stumbling out of the gate.
Whenever an NFL team bets the farm, they lose. Trading three of our picks to get Tebow would have almost ensured Tebow’s and the teams failure. Nix is trying to get this team set for a long time, and you do that by BPA – period. Clausen, as proven by how the draft went, must be on everyone’s board as a second-round grade, so, no he wasn’t the right value at #9.
I am completely happy that Nix is doing EXACTLY what he said they would do. Get the best players. Fill holes where possible. Bad teams fill holes, good ones draft talent. Bad teams that became good teams drafted talent over need. New Orleans got better when they started taking the best talent availbale at the spot they were picking and stopped trading all of their picks for players they were enamored with and filled needs.
Its not the fact that they were willing to give up three pics. Its the fact that they wanted to do so and still lost. Its totally billsian.
The second argument is that most people would say there were still better players available than what they got, who would also have filled needs. I still have yet to hear a valid argument against clausen, aside from the completely baseless “omg he has character issues” argument.
by quantumuprising on Apr 23, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know what the deal with Clausen falling is. I really don’t. I don’t think that is for us to know anyway, I guess that the NFL has passed judgment on him, hopefully he keeps it as a little chip on his shoulder and takes the league by storm. Anyways, it’s probably better for Clausen to go in the second round, less pressure. Sure, it’s less cash, but he may have a better chance to succeed as a 2nd rounder than if he went in the 1st. A humbling experience for him, to say the least. If there’s anything about Clausen that I know, it’s that he is definitely a guy who good use a dose of humbling.
quantum,
the talk about Clausen has not been just “character” issues – they are leadership issues. Leadership issues in your potential franchise QB? This is why teams are not drinking the Kool-Aid on Clausen.
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by thefourwinds on Apr 23, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Which is funny because just about everyone from Notre Dame has said both of those claims are pure bunk.
So what are the chances for an Avalanche vs. Sabres finals, eh?
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I keep reading that here, but nowhere else, other than a couple teammates. I am certain the NFL GM’s have a better read on Clausen than anyone here does.
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Charlie Weis raves about the guys passion for football and his desire to spend time in the film room. Golden Tate said that the first time he heard McShay bash Clausen’s intangibles, he was literaly enraged.
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thats what i meant, call it leadership or character. Please cite me ONE example of where he’s had a leadership issue that doesn’t involve the limo on signing day. He’s done EVERYTHING you should want in a quarterback coming out of college – pro style offense, pinpoint accuracy, dealing with a ton of sacks and terrible offensive line, playing through a bad injury, leading fourth quarter comebacks in spite of a terrible defense….yet people continue to come up with this super lame ‘lack of leadership’ line just because they hate on notre dame.
I’m so tired of all this “potential” and “upside” talk when it comes to the draft. If its me, i’m taking a known commodity.
by quantumuprising on Apr 23, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
And if I’m an NFL exec, I don’t willy-nilly believe the hype from the team he came from. They all worked him out and interviewed him themselves.
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by thefourwinds on Apr 23, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Clausen has not been just "character" issues – they are leadership issues
Say the outsiders. Notre Dame players, coaches and fans would all completely disagree that Clausen has leadership issues.
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That’s fine – but that doesn’t mean a team thinks he can lead their NFL team. It’s a different animal.
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by thefourwinds on Apr 23, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m thinking that if the Bills really wanted Clausen they would have traded up to get him late in the first round last night. It sounds like that’s what they wanted to do for Tebow. So if they really had a strong conviction about Clausen we would know it by now. I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t think I am.
This morning on ESPN Radio Scheffter said that if there’s no trades he sees Clausen going to the Chiefs (who he said considered him at #5) and McCoy to the Browns. I know people think Minnesota might be a possibility, but if they wanted Clausen they wouldn’t have moved down 2 spots (knowing that St Louis had all night to auction the pick).
great
that would be best case scenario…2 more quality players available for us to choose from since the browns/chiefs would be using their picks on the qb’s
Clausen might be a poisoned well at this point.
Its no secret that Buffalo didn’t want him at 9 and would have taken Tebow over him anyway. I don’t think QB is a place where you can confidently take the consolation prize and seriously turn to the kid and say “you’re the future.” He’ll know you don’t mean it, and so will the Bills. It’d be one thing if you could say “look son, we really needed Spiller and there are draft considerations at work here-but we had you as the best QB we could take” but that isn’t the case.
I have to think NT, OT, OLB is a great 2nd round pick and please, please, please go get Campbell for a fourth.
Its no secret that Buffalo didn’t want him at 9 and would have taken Tebow over him anyway.
That’s just plain false. Even though the Bills LIKED Tebow more than Clausen, I refuse to believe Nix is stupid enough to have drafted Tebow over Clausen if he had been forced to go QB there.
So what are the chances for an Avalanche vs. Sabres finals, eh?
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Well apparently you weren't watching TV
When EVERY reporter said that the Bills were Incredibly disappointed that no one would trade up with them.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Bills-wanted-Tebow?urn=nfl,236202
http://www.wgrz.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=76260&catid=4
among other stories.
I mean you could argue that Schefter is completely lying, but that’s a lot of traction for a lie-and one that had been hinted at for a while.
I hate to say it but Nix brought this on himself. I don’t want to hear about it…. show me the baby. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
show me the baby. :-)
The baby is gone. Yanosh swooped in, placed him in his ghost stroller, and flew him off to Denver.
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by Jon Harrington on Apr 23, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Doesn’t that sound nice? =)
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by Jon Harrington on Apr 23, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
show me the baby. :-)
I think he will. I think it’s one of those “the best trades are sometimes the ones that didn’t happen” moments. Buddy probably refused to be suckered. Denver gave up an awful lot to pick at the bottom of the first and come away with TEBOW.
People really lost their heads around here, must have been the glare off of Tebow.
Never in my life have I seen a fanbase become so emotionally attached to one player like the people here have to Tebow. Somehow he turned from flawed superproject 2-3rd round prospect to perfect flawless #9 overall pick worthy leader here in only a few months.
So what are the chances for an Avalanche vs. Sabres finals, eh?
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah. It’s weird.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I admit I liked Tebow, a lot, but not enough to trade anything. If he fell to us at 41, I think that was proper value. We’ll see, I wish him the best.
Even as the big anti-Tebow guy around here, I really wouldn’t have been all that mad had they picked Tebow in the 2nd round, honestly. It was the idea of performing a Broncosesque trade to get him in the 1st or even picking him at 9 that was getting under my skin.
So what are the chances for an Avalanche vs. Sabres finals, eh?
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I think what people are missing with the Bronco trade, is what could the Bills have done with all of those picks in hand? Quite a bit of talent upgrading, that’s for sure.
by syrbillsfan on Apr 23, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. That’s the big difference here. The Broncos traded down a bunch BEFORE they traded the picks to get Tebow.
The Bills would have had to give up far too much to replicate it.
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I agree completely. I really liked Tebow, but giving up that many picks for him is either a recipe for disaster or a grand slam. It’s a huge gamble. However, we certainly need to address our QB situation.
by Jeff Winters on Apr 23, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
but 3 picks?
I am still flabbergasted that anyone can honestly say they’d be fine giving up 3 picks for Tebow
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I will never understand the love affair with Tebow that has developed here since the end of the season. 3 picks for him would be dumb, but half the people here would probably still be behind it.
I want him to bust just so it will shut everyone here up, at this point.
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
please stop
telling everyone how dumb they are because they dont share your opinion. UZ I love to read your comments but you need to stop telling people who like Tebow that they are dumb or that your glad Nix wasnt “dumb” enough to take him. I dont think anyone would have given up 3 picks to get him but some of us like him as a prospect and its not because we’re not as smart as you. I respect your opinion on Tebow, try respecting others.
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by poz on Apr 23, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Put me on record as saying I would have given up the picks neccessary to get Tebow.
I will take the beating if he doesn’t pan out. But I feel pretty damn secure that Tebow will do everything in his power to prove it was a good move, or die trying.
by StroudFanClub on Apr 23, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
but for those that argue that we have more needs
and for those that argue against the spiller pick… it might have been team suicide to give up that much for tebow, or any player for that matter. We have a lot of picks, but not a crazy amount, and need to hit on them. I think Spiller although bad, was worth the value and the best player at his position and we simply sat there and took him. I think we will trade Lynch today, grab another 3rd or 4th rounder depending on what we package him with, and that will add to our picks… Tebow is more of a luxury pick than spiller, arguably, because Spiller will be dynamic right away. Just too much to give up for Tebow… i am willing to bet as soon as Nix heard what Denver gave up to get him, they simply said fine… let’em have’em
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by thefourwinds on Apr 23, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Even if it gets you Tebow, giving up a second, third and fourth round picks for one guy cripples your franchise in the longer term.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
That too.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Especially when
You have a team that wicked overachieved, especially on defense, to start the year last year. This is a classic pattern in the NFL. I think McDaniels just dug his own grave as head coach of the Denver Broncos.
Oh, I know its bold and high risk. I would only do it for a QB that I really believed in
Well, your second round pick is essentially now Tebow, and then you give up a 3rd and 4th rounder. So let’s take a look at what kind of players we are talking about in rounds 3 &4:
2009:
3rd rounder- N/A
4th rounder- Shawn Nelson
This cannot be graded, since we didn’t have a 3rd round pick.
2008:
3rd rounder- Chris Ellis
4th rounder- Reggie Corner / Derek Fine
Yep. I’d trade those all those guys for a pack of gum.
2007:
3rd rounder- Trent Edwards
4th rounder- Dwayne Wright
Yes sir, I would trade these two to swap a 2nd round pick for a 1st rounder.
2006:
3rd rounder- Ashton Youboty
4th rounder- Ko Simpson
Yes, yes, yes…’d trade these two in a nano-second.
2005:
3rd rounder- Kevin Everett
4th rounder- Duke Preston
Uh, yes……
What do you think? Do I have to keep going?
by StroudFanClub on Apr 23, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah but
yeah but just because we have stunk at picking people in the past, doesn’t mean we will forever….or does it?
Every pick there was of the old regime. You would hope it’s invalid now. I could just as easily post drafts from the late 80’s and early 90’s as proof that they will draft well and make no picks that would need to be traded.
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Wanna know something? I would trade all 10 guys I just listed
For a Franchise QB……
by StroudFanClub on Apr 23, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
So would I. That still doesn’t mean Tebow is going to be that guy. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
So will bad picks if they are made today/tomorrow
I hope we don’t go down that road….
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Right… but you have a better shot of one of those 2, 3, and 4th rounders panning out than any one guy especially Tebow.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
That's about the long and short of it
We need as MANY talented players as possible. We are short starters and way short on depth. That 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round pick, whoever they may be, will be necessary to make the team better, and help build the depth we need to compete over a long season.
In addition, there are lots of people saying that Nix only has this draft, and maybe the next one, to prove himself. If that is the case – and he’s not sold on the QB’s this year – why would he want to put all of his eggs in their basket, anyway?
Anyone giving CHIX only 1 year to prove themselves is making a huge mistake. You can’t rebuild an entire team through the draft in one season.
So what are the chances for an Avalanche vs. Sabres finals, eh?
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Me too
This reminds me of the Brees situation, where Donahoe and Williams wanted Brees in the 2001 draft but couldn’t find a trade partner. Clements was good… should have just drafted Brees though.
Same here. Spiller is probably going to be good. Should have taken no risk and drafted Tebow.
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by StroudFanClub on Apr 23, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Should have taken no risk and drafted Tebow.
You’re usually pretty level-headed DJ, but that is a ridiculous statement. No risk drafting Tebow at #9? That would have been a nail in the CHIX regime’s coffin.
I think he means no risk to lose Tebow for another team, in case they thought he was THE guy.
by hightower_mc on Apr 23, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I meant if they really wanted Tebow that bad
Why take the risk? Why not just get him at 9?
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You’re sanwering your question. Clearly, they didn’t want him that bad – and they decided that a long time ago.
Then you aren't buying into what Scheffter is reporting, and that's OK
I think they wanted Tebow.
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I am sure that they did, but they stayed true to their professional selves and did not get fleeced by overpaying to move, or drafting him too high.
I do think they liked him enough to go where the Bronco’s went, but Buffalo just couldn’t give up what the Bronco’s did. If you look at it the Bronco’s the Bronco’s basically traded Cutler for Tebow, I just don’t see how that really makes sense for them. Cutler + decent defense and O-line = a pretty good football team. Tebow won’t be anywhere near that for years. IT’s like they bought a 36month certificate of deposit, with an interest of .5%
by syrbillsfan on Apr 23, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Not really true
Denver traded a 2nd and a 3rd, but only swapped 4th’s with Baltimore. They also maneuvered into extra picks. From where they started to where they ended up, they only gave up a 3rd, total.
They didn’t trade Cutler for Tebow. That’s an oversimplification. Cutler for Moreno/Ayers, Orton, and Thomas is correct.
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by Der Jaeger on Apr 23, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why not get Juice $#&*ing Williams?
Because he’s not good enough to warrant it.
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Brees
Don’t forget the Bills didn’t even talk to Brees when he was a FA——couldn’t believe it then and still don’t believe today…
It could have been worse, Brees wanted to play in Miami but the Phins chose Culpepper over him—-ha ha ha ha!!!!!!
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No risk?
Should have taken no risk and drafted Tebow.
You must mean that we shouldn’t have taken the risk that someone else would get him. Because to draft Tebow at #9 would certainly be risky. Tebow backers seem somehow to know that he will become a great qb in the NFL. Surely you don’t sare this false sense of foreknowlege. He’s as risky and unknowable as Maybin last year. As with Maybin, Tebow will need to learn to do things that no one has ever seen him do before, things that he may not have the inherent talent to do well. If Tebow was not a risky pick, he would have been taken at #1 by the Rams.
by Sixteenthback on Apr 23, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
There are some great options that are going to be there at 41. I wouldn’t mind sitting and waiting especially if they don’t like Clausen. I happen to like him but if they don’t, so be it.
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Right.
We just need to get a damn fine football player. Sure, we need a franchise QB, but there’s no clear-cut choices this year. If no QB’s go in the top 24, then something’s up. When’s the last time that happened?
Well, ONE quarterback went in the top 24…
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I feel sorry because the Rams basically HAD to take him there. He won’t get to sit a year either, basically going to be the next Carr if he doesn’t get an O-line and some receivers REAL quick.
So what are the chances for an Avalanche vs. Sabres finals, eh?
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I loved Tom Jackson’s quote. It was something like, “If you take him – and you’ve got 15 other needs – he’s just going to get the talent beat out of him.”
That happens way too often. It’s too bad it hasn’t worked out for the NFL as far as having a sort of minor league system to develop some of these players more effectively.
Um, so how is that NOT the same situation the Bills are in? This is why I’m perfectly happy with the Spiller pick, and I will be perfectly happy if (as I’m hoping) they pass on Clausen, even if he just happens to fall to them.
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by thefourwinds on Apr 23, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Love the Spiller pick because of great value
left in the draft at many of our needs. If before the draft started, you said we could get CJ Spiller and Possibly Jimmy Clausen in the 2nd, I think many people would be satisfied by that. Clearly, the brass of Buffalo had an idea of what they wanted and gambled on value later on in the draft and it paid off.
This pick will look great when McKelvin or Jackson do not have to return kicks anymore and can solely concentrate on their positions
Not only all that, but how many playmakers do the bills really have? not to many home run threats in a division that has teams continue to stockpile on playmakers. Sometimes you need to play catch up
Year 1 of the rebuild is off to a good start.
by BigTex_BillsFan on Apr 23, 2010 8:16 AM EDT reply actions
I don't think we will get Clausen
Not because we don’t want him, but because it would cost us too many picks to move up to get him.
I’m happy with the rest of that list especially Cody and Brown. I think McCoy has a chance of falling into the 3rd round.
RE: Spiller. A top ten talent with a top ten pick. Sounds like we are planning for life without Beast Mode in the near future. I disagree with BrianMulhall’s comparison to LT. (And I realize that he’s not calling him an LT but saying he could have the same effect on the team.) I think he’s more Darren Sproles type, but properly used he will add to our dismal points per game ratings.
Kind of hoping we end up with Skelton.
It would cost the Bills second rounder, 4th rounder and one other pick later on or from next year. I’d be down with trading #41, #107 and next year’s 4th or 5th (just for instance) to trade up and get Clausen if that’s who they want.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions
The problem is, with this much time, the pick is more valuable than what might be otherwise. And you have to have a willing participant.
Last year the Jets gave up a lot more than expected to get to the head of the board on day 2.
I assume the Bills aren’t sold on either QB (since they didn’t trade up yesterday) so it’s probably better just to sit back and wait.
I agree with you on the auction. It may cost them 2nd, 4th, and next year’s third or something like that. Maybe even Lynch to the Rams.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I hadn’t thought of that…
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
The trick is… is he retiring?
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
He would if traded to the Rams
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Why would the Rams want Lynch?
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I forgot they had that second RB…. Avery, right?
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Avery’s a WR
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 23, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
He scored against the Bills out of the backfield last year. My bad.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s not that, but I thought Jackson was a mauler just like Lynch.
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Jackson's an all-around stud
Lynch really doesn’t do much other than between the tackles…
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That’s really not helping the whole “Lynch to St. Louis” thing :\
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
They need a second RB to spell Jackson. Lynch isn’t expensive. I’m not saying they would, just that they might.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Not Shocked
Spiller will make the O-line look better and help the QB with his ability to catch the ball out of the backfield…
The Bills felt he was the BPA so they grabbed him, they have some excellent options in round 2.
This follows Nix MO by not taking a lineman in round 1 while at SD, now if he can hit on the next 4 picks the Bills will be heading in the right direction…..
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by NCbillsfan12 on Apr 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Gotta be Cody or Clausen, right? I hope…
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Cody – only if he falls to 41.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions
You see us moving up at all to try to get Clausen?
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No. But what I was saying there was they shouldn’t trade up for Cody. With the depth at the NT spot they shouldn’t waste a pick or two to move up.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Alright got ya. That would be great if Cody kept falling.
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Agreed
The Bills need all their picks and could move down in the 2nd round to acquire extra’s. Besides Cody, Cam Thomas is available or Troupe may last until the 4th or 5th round.
Is DT Arthur from Cuse on their radar?
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iI believe hes strickly a 4-3 DT, cant man the Nose like Cody could. Cam wouldnt be bad either.
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Linval has been rising as well if Cam is somehow gone.
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Skelton
I really see value in John Skelton big kid big arm. His scouting reports sound much better then that of Clausen who has a weak arm and loves to float the ball the kid belongs in Raiders land.
Or Cleveland
Well if one ND prospect didn’t work out, chances are pretty good two in a row won’t bust, right…..right?
Him in the 3rd would be ok with me
I’m still holding out hope for Clausen though.
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would love it!
so many good players left here in the second…
i want charles brown or cody and then skelton in the third?? i really don’t know why espn keeps expressing shock that mccoy is still there… i wouldn’t be surprised if skelton goes before he does.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Charles Brown is a much better prospect, and not as much of an injury concern or workout warrior as Bruce.
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve heard Brown and Saffold are great pass blockers, but not-so-great run blockers. They would seem contradictory to the talent we have on the roster. A couple more nasty run blockers to go with Wood and Levitre would be nice. That said, taking two tackles – one pass blocker and one run blocker – would be alright. In that case, we can take Brown, Saffold, or Ducasse with the next pick; then take the player with contrasting style later in the draft.
I’ve heard Brown is more of a jack of all trades master of none type. He can do both, but is raw in both areas.
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Optimistic
is my mood this morning. I was shocked by Spiller, and pretty damn devastated by missing on Tebow. But I’m glad we tried, and I don’t think I would’ve given a 2, 3, and 4 for him—as high as I am on him. We’re rebuilding. I’m actually pretty happy with the new OBD tone. I feel like they’re in control.
Plus, there are some fantastic players available. I’ve got a strange feeling we’re going to end up with two 2nd round picks, and I think we might get some studs.
I don’t know, I just feel optimistic.
Please don't trade up to get anyone in 2nd
And please don’t pick a talented athlete with on field performance/attitude or off field behavior problems. In the light of day, I guess I’m grateful they didn’t pick Dez Bryant.
And for those with high (likely misplaced) hopes for Spiller, here is the list of RB’s the Bills have picked in round 1, followed by the number of years they played for the Bills. Why do we expect Spiller to be better or different?
Terry Miller – 3
Booker Moore – 4
Greg Bell – 3+ (traded midyear)
Ronnie Harmon – 4
Antowain Smith – 4
Willis McGahee – 3 plus one year injured
Marshawn Lynch – 3
C.J. Spiller – ?
Because he wasn’t a reach?
Using past performance as an indicator for the future is possibly the worst thing you can do. If you’re going to bother with that bunk, why watch the team at all?
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Because you have to go back to OJ Simpson to find a first round RB that led the Bills into the playoffs. And it only happened after the Bills traded and drafted to get him a quality offensive line. And they only made the playoffs one year. And they got their clocks cleaned that year by the Steelers.
The Jets cut 1400 yarder Thomas Jones in the offseason. A great offensive line can make even pedestrian running backs look good. What makes you believe Spiller is going to solve our 3rd and one or goal line problems?
If he was a 3rd and one or goal line back I might have an answer for that. Don’t try and make Spiller something he’s not. We already had two 3rd and one/goal line backs.
The problem was we never WERE at 3rd and one or the goal line.
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ah, great reply UZ. Rec’d.
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by thefourwinds on Apr 23, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
The problem was we never WERE at 3rd and one or the goal line.
And Spiller is supposed to solve that? Without a QB, sustaining drives isn’t something that Buffalo will be able to do. Spiller is going to be a great home run hitter, but he’s not exactly a ball control type of guy.
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Put QB aside and go for hte line
After the 1st round I get the impresison teams feel Clausen is another Quinn. No reason to waste a pick there.
I’d focus on the lines and draft a QB next year, or get a project later on.
Also, if we compare Spiller to teh Maybin pick, I think we are already well ahead of last years draft as far as getting starters from day 1.
We did an excellent job getting starters with Wood, Byrd and Levitre and hopefully that will continue this year.
I was just pointing out we thought MAybin would be an impact player on 3rd downs and he really hasn’t been yet. At least you know Spiller will see the field pretty extensively even week 1.
on the case of Maybin, he’ll most likely shine with the new 3-4 defense.
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
“on the case of Maybin, he’ll most likely might shine with the new 3-4 defense.”
by #1 pick in '11 on Apr 23, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
This years draft
Am I the only one here that thinks most of the players outside of say, the top 5, are pretty much 2nd-3rd round material? This draft seems deep at OT and DT, but most of the prospects are of the “high potential but needs work” or “finesse” type players?
The QB situation is strange, with Clausen falling too far and Josh McDaniels becoming over-enamored and selling the farm to get Tebow. I think the Bills did what they should have done – gotten the proper amount of talent for the money involved at #9. Watching guys who we thought were highly rated fall down into the late first and early second round confirmed the gap in talent between say, Suh / McCoy and the rest of the field at DT.
I think everyone needs to take a deep breath and wait. At least until tomorrow :)
Josh McDaniels becoming over-enamored and selling the farm to get Tebow.
It was just a 2 and 3 and a swap of 4s.
If you think trading 3 top picks to trade up for a 3rd round talent in the 1st round is “just” a little trade, you have reached new levels of delusional.
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
It was 25 and 199 for 43, 70 and 114.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d817b4621&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
Nix is a talent evaluator
and you can’t doubt the talent we just secured in the first round.
They said we wouldn’t fill all positions in one draft. Since they lost out on the Tebow sweepstakes, they should make a move for Claussen but only if they have him rated high. Not just to fill the position.
Since they lost out on the Tebow sweepstakes,
And if we lost out because it got too rich, then we can’t feel bad. Reports had Newsome “blown away” by Denver’s offer. If what they reportedly gave up is true, they way overpaid for Tebow. In our team-state, we could not afford that for a QB who may not play for 1-2 years.
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they essentially only gave up a third round pick
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Only cuz they traded back....
On paper they still gave up multiple picks and draft position….
by MikeEverett08 on Apr 23, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Calling Clausen “the next Brady Quinn” is a bad comparison since Brady Quinn has had approximately 0 chances to show the NFL that he’s a good QB, being on one of the worst teams in the league for so long. If Tom Brady’s best receiver is Braylon Edwards and his O-line has approx. no good players on it for 3 years he’s probably not doing too hot either.
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Best Player Available
That’s it. I figured all along that would be how Nix would roll. Teams filling “needs” spin their wheels for decades. Add playmakers / talent, and eventually the wins will come. It’s not like Spiller was a WR or something, he’s a guy capable of taking the hand off and making his own magic. He’s also not a bruiser, so his shelf life should be quite good.
Also – I know Brian keeps harping about QB, but there is the possibility there isn’t a “franchise” QB available in this bunch. Bradford is going to get himself turned into a skidmark in St. Louis. Denver wasted the bounty they got for Jay Cutler, trading up to get Tebow. I must admit, of the top three QB, Tebow probably has the highest ceiling, WITH PROPER CARE. I think McDaniels there is going to end up out of a job in two years.
Clausen – I see him as a caretaker type, but not a franchise guy. I think we all felt Buffalo needed one of these guys just because we need a QB. The scouts league round didn’t see terribly bothered to say “PASS” on Clausen.
The scouts league round didn’t see terribly bothered to say "PASS" on Clausen.
They passed on him because this draft was all about defense. Most of the 1st round talent was on Defense, the only team that surprised me with a pick was the 9ers, who I assumed wouldn’t go with 2 offensive linemen. The teams that took offense already had QB’s like the Cowboys.
I guess that Dan Williams, Kyle Wilson and Bryan Bulaga are all horrible players as well.
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't say they were horrible
Just the talent dropoff at those positions must have been bigger this year than we thought in our pre-draft discussions. From our discussions I thought Bulaga was right up there with Okung, or close. That didn’t seem the case.
Overall it seems to be a draft full of depth, but not full of stars.
LeFevour
Buffalo NEEDS to get Cody with round 2. I know everyone wants a QB but we can get a solid one in LeFevour in Round 3. Cody is the run stuffer that we need on this team to fit our 3-4. Love McCoy too. Been a huge fan, but I think DT is a huge priority. LeFevour I think will be a stud too.
I loved how the Broncos worked the draft.
They turned the 11 pick and the 22 pick into a couple of thirds. They then took their second and third (and a 4th round upgrade) to get 25.
They didn’t give up any picks, just shifted around and got the players they wanted. Look at the picks they had before the draft and look at the picks they had now. It’s an impressive performance (of course who they take and how they end up is for debate).
While I think Spiller is great, I wish the Bills would have traded down to accumulate picks (like Philly giving up 2 3rd rounders).
presuming someone was willing to trade up
No one moved into the top 10. It would have been difficult to move down without someone wanting to move up.
Like Nix said, "It takes two"
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I would have been happy accepting the exact package the Broncos received for #14 from the Eagles (24, 70, 87).
Unless of course you think that the Eagles wouldn’t offer that to move up an additional 5 spots.
Graham was a lot more of a threat to be gone 5 spots below the top 10.
I don’t think the Eagles would have moved into the top 10 for a guy they knew would be there 5 spots lower just because Brandon Graham wasn’t worth top 10 money.
Money was the total reason nobody worked up to the top 10.
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Looks like that MovetheSticks guy on Twitter was right
I remember when he tweeted that he didn’t have a first round grade on Clausen.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
But Kiper isn’t predicting what will happen with Clausen. He’s saying where he feels Clausen should be selected.
If NFL teams pass on Clausen it doesn’t make Kiper wrong and McShay right. Time will be the judge of that. If Clausen turns into Favre will we say Kiper was wrong 10 years from now because he didn’t go in the first round? No, we’ll say a whole bunch of teams missed the boat on him.
But McShay had Clausen ranked as a second rounder….
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Right. But if Clausen turns into a top flight QB he should have been ranked as a 1st rounder in which case McShay would be wrong.
Said another way, no one’s opinion on any player will be known for at least a couple years.
McShay and Kiper’s job isn’t to predict where guys should go, its where they think they will go. Mock drafts are about predictions, player rankings are about how good they are. In that way, they could both be right. Kiper had a high ranking AND a first round pick and McShay had a low ranking and NOT a first round pick.
by bluecollarbuffalo on Apr 23, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Kiper
Does anyone else get a kick out of seeign Mel Kiper get all disgusted that someone would draft Tebow over Clausen.
I’m sure its all for TV, but he certainly seems to take it all personally.
My dream situation here is that the Bills leap up to get Clausen while somehow keeping their 2nd rounder at 41 to grab Cody, Brown, Norwood or something, snagging 2 of those “big needs” that they passed with Spiller.
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we might have to give up next years 1st and that could be a top 5 pick maybe. Or maybe next years 2nd/and 1-2 late round picks
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It depends what other teams are asking for. I think next years second with this years 3rd and a 6th might be enough even.
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Ugh. No thanks. You’re against the Bills selling the farm to get Tebow and now you’re giving up the barn for Clausen. Unless the Rams want Lynch or Schobel we’ll be giving our 2nd plus two more picks just to get to #33. Otherwise it would cost a higher pick in 2011.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok, so after coming round from the initial surprise of drafting Spiller. I’ve accepted and bought into it. Nix must have really thought him a one-off.
So, we’ve used our first pick on a ‘flashy’ type of guy and by the looks of it OBD aren’t sold on Clausen. This being the case we need now a ‘solid, sure fire’ pick and imo an O-lineman to at least help Spiller…so I’d target Saffold.
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Now espn is saying that its to bad that spiller went to the bills because we wont be able to use his talents but the Jag’s would have. Please I am sick of everyone out side of Buffalo saying that we are some worthless team that cant get there fans to show up. Half of these people couldent point Buffalo out on a map, O I am sorry that you feel that we cant use a running back that must be why no name Fred Jackson had a break out year you near sided dumb a** aparrently when you are small market team you dont deserve to win even when you look at the fact that we have top 10 attendance. So sorry that we cant give you the ratings that the Skins and Cowboys bring you piss off ESPN!!!
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It's the Dick Jauron factor...
I just heard this on ESPN as well, and it’s b/c everyone think the Bills are still a clueless organization who don’t know how to win. I have one response, CHIX WILL PROVE YOU WRONG!
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They were saying that in reference to the cold and wintery conditions. Spiller’s game is built on speed.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Thurman Thomas did alright here. I don’t buy the bad weather taking Spiller out of the game opinion. I think now we’ll have a NFL worthy offensive gameplan with players put in a position to succeed, we’ll be OK, even in a blizzard.
I’m just saying why they said it. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
yes and I always hated that argument.
A guy like Spiller will make the other guys on the field look like morons trying to catch him. He will juke and jive and make guys miss more easily. Trust me – I use to be one of those guys and the fast/quick guys love having that advantage in the snow.
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by J2 on Apr 23, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Speed is speed
He’ll still be faster than everyone else on the field who are also playing in the snow. It isn’t like the weather only affects the RB and now all the defenders are equal in speed. Everyone is affected equally and his speed still trumps.
by Slick Shifty on Apr 23, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe. I think it’s an advantage when he finds open field, but it’s a lot tougher to get to the outside and turn the corner on a slick field.
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you have to understand that it’s the same for all players. One little half step can make a defender miss. i always enjoyed it because I was a super quick guy and playing in the snow was more fun. sure you’d slip more but so would everyone else – but there is a distinct advantage for guys like spiller
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by J2 on Apr 23, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Please trade ahead of the Viks and grab Clausen. Or(hopefully don’t do this) sit back and hope for Cody or a OT
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I just don't see us taking Clausen now
I am starting to think our 4th round pick is going to Washington for Campbell.. Not a big cost and gives Nix a chance to see what QBs he likes next year.
We take the DT we need in the second.
I think this is our best option at this point...
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Another way of looking at round 1
Here are the RB’s picked 9 or higher in the last ten years. Who besides LT would have significantly improved the Bills over a period of years? And LT played behind a quality OL. It looks like Peterson is on his downslide after only a few years.
2008 – Darren McFadden
2007 – Adrian Peterson
2006 – Reggie Bush
2005 – Ronnie Brown
2005 – Cedric Benson
2005 – Cadillac Williams
2001 – LaDainian Tomlinson
It looks like Peterson is on his downslide after only a few years.
How exactly are you coming up with that?
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Must have been the 1400 rushing yards and 18 touchdowns.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 23, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Peterson yards per carry
2007 – 5.6
2008 – 4.8
2009 – 4.4
The 5.6 was an anomaly I think, you can’t expect that from a guy every single season, especially when his touches are reduced so much like last season.
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep – because a) they tinkered with their line, and b) teams MIGHT have started to game plan for AP.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 23, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh – and Fred Jackson runs for 4.5 here, and that’s enough to make C.J. Spiller a luxury pick.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 23, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
The only downside
I see is that Farve came inand the Vikings passed the ball more——biggest knock on Peterson is that he fumbles…
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I said yesterday go BPA
If spiller was highest on their board than kudos for having the guts to take him when he obviously wasn’t a “need” pick…..
Now I hope they take Cody and then maybe trade up and get Colt
Gotta set the Bronco's deal straight....
They started the draft, with # 11, 43, ad 45….
traded 11 for 13, and 113….
traded 13 for 24, 70, and 87
gave up 24, and 113, for 22 (Thomas pick)
43, 70, 114, for 25 (Tebow) and 119
So, in all that, they basically gave up one of their own first, a #2s, to get Tebow, Thomas, and pick # 87
Looks like a good deal from my perspective….
What they incrementaly gave for Tebow is the key issue
by radan on Apr 23, 2010 10:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yikes
And pop the dice and they move twice!!!
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Spiller will take pressure of the QB
Spiller will help the Line, help Lynch/Jackson and most important, will also reduce pressure on whoever is behind center.
I like the pick. What I especially like is the fact that all the other names we’ve been talking about dropped like rocks so Nix showed me that they know how to evaluate value.
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For once the Bills finally come through on their “drafting guys with good character” talk. The Bills just drafted a dynamic playmaker, with outstanding character and intelligence. He’s a guy that’s going to be in camp Day 1 ready to work, love the pick.
Let’s be careful about declaring great character. I’m not saying he’s a bad guy, but once we said “this Lynch guy is a great guy, he’s going to live with his mother and everything…she’ll surely keep him in line”. So, let’s be careful. A broke college kid having good character isn’t the same as a multi-millionaire 22 year old (or however old he is).
by bluecollarbuffalo on Apr 23, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Lynch had well documented character concerns coming out of Cal. Nobody thought he was going to do illegal stuff like he did, but he came from a bad neighborhood and doesn’t exactly carry himself well in terms of speaking the english langauge. Spiller is one of the elite character guys in the draft. He was a great student at Clemson and is acts like a total professional.
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I understand all of that. What I’m saying is, how do we know how good someone’s character is when most of us are just meeting him. He sounds great. No lets see how it works out. I didn’t hear anyone talking about Big Ben’s character issues coming out of college and in a matter of a calendar year, he’s a character concern. I’m just saying that making matter of fact declarative statements about how a guy will play “Day 1” or how he’ll behave in his career is further than I would care to go after being “bit” by poor character RBs for the last decade.
by bluecollarbuffalo on Apr 23, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
So what happens if :
Clausen is available in round two and the Bills pass on him? Do we think he was just plain overrated or that the Bills blundered?
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That would be surprising but would be evidence that they are waiting til ‘11 for a qb and are willing to build the foundation this year. I don’t think it would necessarily mean either, could just be that the bills would rather get a OT/NT/OLB
by #1 pick in '11 on Apr 23, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that regardless of what feel about next years class, they are going to bring in a QB when all is said and done this year. Whether it’s 2nd round, or later, or undrafted free agent, they are going to bring at least one more guy into the mix. I also treat Brian Brohm as sort of a prospect, rather than a failed talent. He’s new to the Bills and doesn’t have much of a track record with the NFL. I’m not saying he’s the answer, but I think they give him a shot.
by syrbillsfan on Apr 23, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree that they will most likely bring in some new blood at QB. As for Brohm, I’m willing to give him a shot, worst case we stink and get a high pick in ‘11 to grab Locker/Malett. Best case he succeeds and we don’t need a QB anymore. I think most of us can agree that we are not a playoff team this year, if we have waited this long, what’s one more year? I’d rather rebuild the right way, if it means we have to suffer through a few more losing seasons, so be it.
by #1 pick in '11 on Apr 23, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
it would mean that all 32 teams passed on him and 8 teams passed twice. the conclusion should be obvious, he’s been overrated.
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Why not underrated?
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 23, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Respectfully
Alualu was a bit of a reach at 10. Love his motor and the Somoan players are taking over the league to a degree but he’s not the 10 best player in THIS draft.
That was my point.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 23, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
That would be my call but you and I both know that many will say that the Bills screwed up again if they pass on him twice.
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As I said above, I’d be perfectly happy if they skipped Clausen in the 2nd round too. Would love to see beef in the OL or DL now, or a really impressive OLB.
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by thefourwinds on Apr 23, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Some thoughts
I still don’t know what to think about Spiller choice. I know that OL class’s been a little overrated, but … we’ll see.
I really, Really, like Claussen and Cody, but I don’t think they will fall till Bills pick.
I’d love to see Brown in Buffalo. This guy has a great potential and could be a great pick.
I still think they loved Tebow, but not enough to lose many picks for him, and I agree with it. I’d love to see Tebow in Buffalo, but, IMO, Tebow don’t worth a 9th pick, and don’t worth gave up other 3 picks for him. The only way was tranding back, I think they tried it, but it’s hard think to do with top 10.
I had some family problems yesterday and couldn’t folow the first round with you guys, but I read almost every comment and I have to say, you guys are greatests fans in world, high level of discussion. love it. I hope to be here today.
I want a direction or an identity
I was hoping it was going to come in the form of a franchise QB. Since its not, Clausen wont fall past 34, I want Vladimir Ducasse. If we went Spiller lets give him that solid O-line to team up with Jackson and maybe Lynch to be a power running team that can change pace on you. Ducasse – Wood – Levitre blocking on the interior for Lynch-Jackson-Spiller would be a good start towards an identity. Langston Walker would have been useful right now too. But Cornell Greens strength is in the running game. So this could be something to look forward to.
Other than that, I’ll take Cody to help us stop the run while we try to run it ourselves. I am really in love with the idea of a Kyle Williams- Terrence Cody rotation at NT. Could be dominant.
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Love Spiller - Great pick
I have been watching Spiller play at Clemson for years, since I do live in ACC country. Last year, he tore it up and played with turf toe. He is the most explosive back to come out since Reggie Bush – Secondly, the Bills need an impact player and someone who take it the distance from anywhere on the field, ala Chris Johnson, who I watched at East Carolina.
- Good pick!
- I like Kindle, Cody, or Saffold and Kindle with our 2nd pick
- Could it be that teams are passing on Claussen, because they may not think he has what it takes – Not saying he doesn’t, but Bills should take a QB next year – Build the line, get a running game going and build the defensive line.
Marshawn and his good looks
I know that Chan has reitterated that he wants a 3 headed monster. Don’t you think that he is saying that so that it doesn’t look like we have to force a trade, in which we get less value? I think We should trade Lynch for a 3rd. Package both 3rds and get 2 second round picks. A lot of value still there. Could address getting someone like Cody and either QB.
yeah but
if campbell is reportedly being offered for a 4th, there’s no way lynch is worth a 3rd
Maybe its time..
to give Daunte a call after all. How sad. Lets jus get in Campbell ASAP!
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Claussen is from California
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Claussen is from Ca.
Tom Brady is for California?
And Carson Palmer is from California. And Aaron Rodgers is from California. And Mark Sanchez is from California. How many northern teams with outdoor stadiums don’t have a QB from California.
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by kaisertown on Apr 23, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
Gailey likes mobile athlectic QB’s that can escape the initial and secondary pass rush pressure with BIG-TIME arms to cut threw the winds of Ralph Wilson Stadium. Is Clausen that guy? I guess we will find out tonight! Wouldn’t hurt to draft a LT to protect the QB whomever that ends up being.
Please don’t draft Terrance Cody. I want him in Baltmore.
give us Jared Gaither
and we promise!
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Give me a 3rd and a 5th
And he’s all yours. He’s proven and will be your LT for the next 7/8 years.
I would actually do that in a heart beat
good deal for both teams.
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Maybe Buddy Nix is listening to us? Ozzie is whelle -dealer. Is Nix? I mean there both southern boys right.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
In the 83 draft I'd still take Kelly over Elway
JP, Rob, Trent. Cali boys have no place in B-lo. .
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, that’s why Aaron Rodgers is a total bust playing in Green Bay. And Carson Palmer stinks in Ohio. And Tom Brady has never won anything playing in New England. California QBs never do well for bad weather teams.
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2nd and 3rd round
If the Bills are smart LT Rodger Saffold or Charles Brown in the 2nd round and the best available qurterback or nose tackle in the 3rd round.
by billsfan71 on Apr 23, 2010 10:45 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Think 'Tom Donahoe'
and you see the similarity with yesterday’s pick.
However (trying to be optimistic) let’s hope Buddy did a lot better than the infamous Donahoe did in the draft. By the way, a friend wants me to ask: is Spiller’s size big enough to hold up to NFL beatings?
is Spiller’s size big enough to hold up to NFL beatings?
I think the feeling is, you gotta catch him before you can hit him. Catching him isn’t easy.
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Nix chose BPA. Donahoe was “I know more than th rest of you GM’s” approach. No comparison.
by radan on Apr 23, 2010 11:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Get Decker in the 3rd.
And that’s all I have to say about that.
Draft Eric Decker in the 3rd!!! Eric Decker > Jordan Shipley > Arrelious Benn
by NordicBillsfan on Apr 23, 2010 11:37 AM EDT reply actions
Don't be surprised
If they take TE Rod Gronkowski, he very well could be high on their BPA chart, IMO fill a position of need. That being a run blocking TE that can still get up field, and adds to the weapons around the QB, plus he can start right away. Rodget Saffold could also be the selection
I like the Spiller pick
Especially after watching his YouTube highlights. Dude has wheels. If our O-line comes together & open some holes, look out. All we need if that happens is a guy that can throw 10-15 passes a game. To all of you that keep clamoring about needing a great (insert word franchise here) QB. Get over it already. Stop singling out one position and putting it under a microscope. Football is still a team game, and the most successful ones are the ones that have balance. No team has ever won a Super Bowl with the best QB in the league and the worst defense, running game, O-line, etc. in the league. Remember, the greatest comeback in NFL history had none other than Frank Reich (a back up QB) at the helm of the Buffalo Bills offense. The starting RB that day? Kenneth Davis. The reason the Bills were so good back in the early 90’s was because they were BALANCED. I think Nix & Gailey get this. At least I hope so. Time will tell.
by billskk69 on Apr 23, 2010 1:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Oh, too true.
How does one rec again? … wait, I think I’ve got it.
And what would’ve been an amazing comeback if not for a ‘questionable’ lateral (as in everyone and their mother who isn’t from Nashville knows that Dyson was in front of Wycheck) was led by Rob Johnson, who, time has told, was not an elite QB either.
Draft
BIlls biggest needs are QB&OT:
OT situation: This is are most important need, even Jim Kelly couldn’t do much with our current line. We need to use almost all our picks on the OT.
QB situation: I think we have right now a decent QB, a QB with good potential, and then Trent. We should ignore that draft QBs until the end and get a Tony PIke. No matter what we do with the draft, we need to please the fans and get ride of Trent. We should give Brian a shot with Ryan a good back up if Brian isn’t good enough.
Now the spiller pick, i love this kid as a player! He will be a great addition to our team and be a great weapon for a QB, whoever it will be. I personally wouldnt have picked him over a good OT but we did so just look to the next pick which i would like a big OT the block.
Okay, sunshine mood time...
On the bright side, both the fact that Lynch is on notice (and available for a couple for a sweetener for a draft pick deal, just like JP always is when I play Madden 08 — I always create a ‘dog-loving Michael Vick’ character to replace him, and more recently always straight-up trade Trent for Fitz and a seventh for irony’s sake) and that we have a playmaker in the backfield can’t be bad.
I dunno, though, are they willing to go Lynch-and-second for second and third with St. Louis? And would Jimmy be WHAT AM I SAYING! Of COURSE Clausen would be worth it! A projected top-ten pick who’s good at hitting good receivers, played in a place which often has weather as bad as Buffalo, and would be making “Guess what, you slipped to the second round, Jimmy” money? That’s a steal and a half!
I still wish we’d gotten Tebow, though. I’d have loved the mere fact that the QB numbers would’ve been 4, 5, 14 and 15 going into camp. (And 4, 14, and 15 coming out. Though I still think there’s a good chance for 4, 7 and 14, and I also think that if Jimmy gets picked up, Trent goes to whoever’s got spare 4th picks.)
Like your list but
If Clausen is as good as you think he is, why then was he passed over by 30 Teams??
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