C.J. Spiller and the speed back study
When the Buffalo Bills made Clemson running back C.J. Spiller their first-round draft pick a week ago this evening, a very large number of surprised fans rationalized the move with some form of the following thought: "running back isn't a need, but if Spiller is the next Chris Johnson, who cares?"
"The next Chris Johnson" has become a phrase thrown about in NFL Draft circles, as Johnson - the 5'11", 200-pound whiz kid that has absolutely torched the NFL in his first two professional seasons - has set a new gold standard for the NFL speed back. Teams everywhere are now searching for a dynamic, explosive playmaker out of their backfield, able to make plays with speed, agility and balance, as opposed to sheer brute strength. In a trendy league, the speed back is the new tall wide receiver, and prospects like Spiller are now a hot commodity.
Spiller, along with Lions rookie Jahvid Best, are the newest additions to an NFL speed back fraternity that could be looking at tremendously productive 2010 seasons. By my count, there are 13 small running backs poised to be significant parts of their team's attacks this season. Of the 11 that aren't rookies, all have had varying degrees of success in this league.
After the jump, we'll take a look at those 11 backs, all of whom have been successful and could be poised for much bigger and better things next season. Those players: Ahmad Bradshaw, Giants; Reggie Bush, Saints; Jamaal Charles, Chiefs; Jerome Harrison, Browns; the aforementioned Chris Johnson, Titans; Felix Jones, Cowboys; Maurice Jones-Drew, Jaguars; LeSean McCoy, Eagles; Ray Rice, Ravens; Steve Slaton, Texans; Darren Sproles, Chargers; Leon Washington, Seahawks.
First, a bit about the backs
Bradshaw is set to split carries with Brandon Jacobs once again in New York; he saw by far the most action of his career in 2009.
Bush saw the least amount of work of his entire disappointing career last season, but also enjoyed his most effective season, as he was a big-time post-season factor during the Saints' championship run.
Charles emerged as the Chiefs' go-to offensive weapon in 2009, enjoying a tremendous second-half run. He now has competition for carries, however, in the form of free agent signing Thomas Jones.
Harrison, too, emerged as a go-to threat for the Browns a year ago after rarely seeing the field early in his career. Denver import Peyton Hillis, rookie Montario Hardesty and a now-healthy James Davis - a former teammate of Spiller's - could steal touches, but Harrison looks like the primary back in Cleveland.
Johnson set the league on fire a year ago, rushing for 2,006 yards at 5.6 yards per carry, and is one of the elite backs in the game.
Jones has dealt with injuries in his first two seasons, but became a bigger part of Dallas' offense as his second season wore on. If he can stay healthy, he could have a break-out 2010 season.
Jones-Drew is one of the league's smallest backs, but he's also got a huge heart and a much more solid physical build than the majority of backs on this list. Therefore, he's got durability that many of these players lack, which has resulted in his emerging as a true NFL workhorse. He, too, is one of the game's elite rushers.
McCoy was the primary backup to Brian Westbrook a year ago in Philly, but Westbrook missed so much time that McCoy ended up seeing much more work than originally anticipated. With Westbrook out of Philly, McCoy is in line to get much more work in his second season.
Rice emerged out of a crowded Ravens backfield as a true workhorse back in the mold of Jones-Drew. Tremendously productive as both a rusher or a receiver, Rice should establish himself as one of the game's elite players in 2010.
Slaton had a fantastic rookie season, but was slowed by injuries, inconsistency and fumbling issues a year ago. Rookie Ben Tate (Auburn) looks to steal touches, but Slaton is still clearly Houston's best back.
Sproles is by a long shot the smallest player listed here, and as a result, he hasn't gotten much to do throughout his career. With Ryan Mathews set to become the Chargers' lead back, that trend will probably continue, though Sproles is too good to keep off the field entirely.
Washington is coming off a serious knee injury, and he was traded to Seattle on draft weekend. He'll factor significantly into a crowded backfield that already includes Justin Forsett and LenDale White.
There's a significant divide to be made here between "workhorse style speed backs" and "complementary style speed backs." Johnson is the only slender speed back that has emerged as a workhorse. Jones-Drew, Rice and Slaton have all had workhorse-type seasons and have the shorter, squattier builds of a true workhorse (though Slaton's body type is far more slender than both Rice and MJD). The rest of the group have had more complementary roles to this point in their career, and with Fred Jackson and Marshawn Lynch already on Buffalo's roster, Spiller looks to fit best in the complement camp, as well.
For the following study, we'll take averages of each back's best pro seasons to try to find a production outline of the "average NFL speed back." (For every back except Slaton and Washington, that "best season" was 2009.) We'll compute data that includes the workhorse numbers of Johnson, Jones-Drew, Rice and Slaton, and we'll compute data without those four workhorse seasons to give us a range. We'll look at these ranges in four categories: rushing, receiving, kick/punt returns and durability.
RUSHING AVERAGES
We'll go bullet points from this point forward to avoid getting verbose:
- In their best seasons, these 12 backs averaged 187 carries per season. That's roughly 12 carries per game.
- Removing the workhorse seasons (CJ, MJD, RR, SS), the remaining 8 backs averaged 132 carries per season. That's roughly 8 carries per game.
- In their best seasons, these 12 backs averaged 940 rushing yards per season at 5 yards per carry. That's about 59 rushing yards per game.
- Removing the workhorse seasons (CJ, MJD, RR, SS), the remaining 8 backs averaged 658 yards per season at 5 yards per carry. That's about 41 rushing yards per game.
- In their best seasons, these 12 backs averaged 7 rushing TD per season. That's about one score every two weeks.
- Removing the workhorse seasons (CJ, MJD, RR, SS), the remaining 8 backs averaged 5 rushing TD per season. That's about one score every three weeks.
RECEIVING AVERAGES
More bullet points!
- In their best seasons, these 12 backs averaged 44 receptions per season. That's 2.8 receptions per game.
- Removing the workhorse seasons (CJ, MJD, RR, SS), the remaining 8 backs averaged 37 receptions per season. That's 2.3 receptions per game.
- In their best seasons, these 12 backs averaged 358 receiving yards per season at 8.1 yards per reception. That's about 22 receiving yards per game.
- Removing the workhorse seasons (CJ, MJD, RR, SS), the remaining 8 backs averaged 292 yards per season at 7.9 yards per reception. That's about 18 yards per game.
- In their best seasons, these 12 backs averaged 1.5 receiving touchdowns per season. The data is the same when removing the four workhorse seasons (CJ, MJD, RR, SS). That's roughly one receiving score every eight weeks.
RETURNS
Since roles change as running backs gain prominence, we have now switched from looking at each back's best season to now examining each back's rookie season.
- Throughout their careers, these 12 backs have combined for 16 career return touchdowns. 12 of those belong to the combined efforts of Bush, Sproles and Washington (four each).
- These 12 backs averaged 20 combined kick and punt returns as rookies.
- Only 7 of these 12 backs were considered rookie return specialists. Those 7 backs averaged 33 combined kick and punt returns during their rookie seasons.
DURABILITY
Please note (*) that the below data has been adjusted in the case of Harrison, as he did not see significant enough playing time to warrant consideration until last season.
- These 12 backs have missed a combined 54 games throughout 31 combined years* of playing experience. That equates to less than two games missed per year.
- Players such as Jones-Drew and Johnson (two missed games combined) stand out for their durability, while others (such as Bush and Jones) have not been able to stay healthy at all.
- Workhorse backs, on average, missed one game per season. Complementary backs, on average, missed over two games per season. That durability disparity essentially draws the line between workhorse and complement.
RANGES
Outlining the ranges established above. The low number in each case is the average of a complementary back, while the high number is the average of both complementary and workhorse backs. Please note that Spiller is likely to land somewhere in between complement and workhorse.
- RUSHING RANGE: 132-187 carries, 658-940 yards, 5-7 TD
- RECEIVING RANGE: 37-44 receptions, 292-358 yards, 1-2 TD
- RETURN RANGE: 20-33 combined kick and punt returns
- DURABILITY RANGE: 1-2 games missed per season
CONCLUSIONS
First thing's first: Spiller needs to stay healthy. He managed to do that in college, but he also tends to run a bit upright, which leaves him open to taking big hits. Buffalo will need to be somewhat careful in making sure Spiller is healthy for 16 games.
In their best seasons, the majority of these backs - with the exception of the four previously defined workhorses - split carries with other backs. For now, I'm anticipating things on the conservative side of those ranges and expecting Spiller to approach the smaller numbers initially. If, like Charles, he becomes more effective as the season wears on, we could see him approach or exceed the high ranges in any or all categories.
If I had to guess - and I emphasize the word guess - Spiller's best chances of exceeding those ranges come in the receptions and returns categories. I still expect Jackson to assume the bulk of the rushing load, and Lynch should factor in as well. Unless Spiller establishes himself as a go-to weapon part-way through his rookie season, he will likely not receive enough carries to exceed the high end of the range.
Thoughts? Opinions? Guesses as to Spiller's likely rookie production? I'll tell you this - more than anything else, the touchdown totals excite me. These speed backs aren't necessarily getting a lot of touches every year, but they're still putting the ball in the paint. Buddy Nix was right - Spiller fits the mold of a guy who can score points for you. Here's hoping that plays out favorably on the field.
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Excellent analysis
I agree that Spiller probably won’t get too many carries. The best thing about Spiller to me is the “threat” that he poses. He is a very serious playmaker that defenses must account for. We’ll have to see how that translates to NFL defenses, but in a good scheme he wouldn’t even have to touch the ball that often to make a huge difference.
W Dunn
I expect Spiller to be a combination of Warrick Dunn and Chris Johnson. He will do many things, but won’t log the miles Johnson does (though Johnson’s first year he split carries also). Spiller also appears to be closer to Dunn from the citizen perspective.
What we know is Chan plans to run the ball quite a bit, taking pressure of whichever QB wins. No no-huddle offense from Chan.
Great article Brian
I still think Spiller is likely to be a Felix Jones type RB, both in style and in production. That’s the player that Spiller really reminds me of. Great kick returner, very good receiver, and a good runner outside the tackles, but not so much in side. I just hope Spiller can stay healthy, unlike Jones.
I wouldn’t call McCoy a speed back. He has similar speed and agility numbers to Toby Gerhart, for example.
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Crap. I forgot to quantify that in the article. I didn’t include McCoy because of his fit into this group so much as because of the way Andy Reid runs an offense. McCoy is a lighter back, so he fits the durability angle of the study, and Reid uses his backs similarly to the way these backs are used. Plus, McCoy isn’t precisely a bruiser, so I threw him in. But you’re right, he’s not the speed demon nor the explosive threat that the rest of these guys are.
Spiller reminds me more of Jamaal Charles than Jones, to be honest.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 29, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Body types they look similar
Spiller and Charles that is. I just think in terms of running style, Jones is a perfect comparison. Both seem to be upright runners that look to break it outside all the time. I’ve seen Charles have more success inside. Charles also looks more slippery when he runs, not so much in breaking tackles, but in avoiding defenders altogether.
Charles is a good comparison, I just think Jones fits a little bit better.
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by Kurupt on Apr 29, 2010 11:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
WOW, nice write-up
my opinion is that the comparisons to C Johnson are unfair. remember Spiller was a back-up for 3 years on an average college team. He is a great all-purpose back, but much more Reggie Bush without the excellent hands. He will struggle after Thankgiving in the cold of Buffallo
Great
Here comes he can’t run in the cold! Geez, I’ll wait to see him perform sorta speak.
by buffalobacker on Apr 29, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Big runs not 4 or 5 yd gains
I think Chan sees improvement this year by trying to win the field position war, and CJ Spiller’s presence is intended to do that. I don’t think we will see 4-5 yds per carry play to play, but more play calling designed to set up an opportunity where Spiller can get free on the outside for a big gain.
Do you have any numbers, not average yd/carry, but the number of big runs (>10 yds) per game that these backs can get?
Wierd
I thought for sure you’d have thrown DeAngelo Williams in the article. But great read.
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If anything, I should have left Jones (218) and Slaton (215) out, because we’re talking about backs with 20 pounds on Spiller.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 29, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
No I wasnt hating and te comparisons made sense
I personally would have switched in DeAngelo in for Bradshaw, or Jones. The Slaton comparison made sense, because I believe Slaton wasn’t that heavy coming out of school. And strangely, I don’t really view McCoy as a speed back.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Slaton was around 10 pounds lighter last year, and will be again this year.
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This is a really great article, love the research.
I’d certainly be satisfied with 1,000 yards and 8 TD’s in rushing and receiving from Spiller – but I think that’s a bit high for his rookie season. I could definitely see him getting there by sophomore year though.
Returns will just be a bonus, so long as they don’t result in injury.
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950 total yards excluding punt and kick returns and at least 6 touchdowns. I really like the sound of that.
What makes that sound freaking music to my ears is that if freddy logs another G and Marshawn puts up 500 we are looking at well over 2500 yards of offense from our RBs.
Lynch isn't getting 500
if Jackson is going over 1000 and Spiller is seeing a lot of touches…
I think an injury to Jackson is the only thing that will get Lynch a bunch of carries….
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by Kurupt on Apr 29, 2010 11:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If they plan on keeping him this year. I would assume they are going to give him the ball to make him a bit more marketable. I’d be willing to bet that Marshawn gets similar touches as Spiller. I wont be surprised if we run the ball 35 or more times a game this year.
by BillsfanDan on Apr 29, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Marshawn's conditioning will be key.
I wait everyday to read something on here about Marshawn Lynch. Something substantiated not speculated. For example: What is his wieght, what he has been doing the last couple months, etc… What I am expecting for this offense, he is the key. He comes in and execpts his role he could be a huge assest. He does bring an aspect to a running game that the others can but if they weren’t expected to on a regular basis could benefit this offense a great deal.
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He comes in and execpts his role he could be a huge assest.
Quite frankly, I don’t want anyone to come into this season, ready to accept a back up roll.. If they’re not coming in to compete, we don’t want them….
JMHO…
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Very much agree
I didn’t get to detailed. I didn’t want to stray off the Spiller topic. I just see all three backs having a critical impact this season, especially with Spiller being in his first season. Allowing him to grow to the speeds, formations, defenses spying on him etc….. Freddy will be Freddy, love all of his game, but he did show more than Lynch last season but Lynch as well has much to offer. Hoping that he can come in with the right frame of mind and be that goal line between the tackle guy and allow Freddy and C.J. to work the edges, flats and slants from the backfield. This is where I feel those two will benefit our QB’s as well.
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Agreed.....I think Lynch's mentality this year will be
to come in trying to HIT the hole AND RUN for extra yards after contact. He will SMOKE defenders by running between the HASH marks. Look for Lynch improve his receiving skills and STEAL 20 catches from Jackson. Though it should be ILLEGAL, the Bills POSESSION OF Lynch will prove DEADLY to opposing defenses if Gailey realizes what a WEAPON he can be.
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Well done indeed
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The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
hmmmmm
whatever you prefer
That really covers a lot of territory :-)
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The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
I will tell you the same thing I tell my kids
im wounded sirrah.
Put some spit and mud on it and keep playing ;-)
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Thanks :-)
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I say we run 40 + carries a game, mixed in with some screens, with this O, should be enough touches to go around.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Apr 29, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Gailey's new Toy.
There wasn’t many, but the few of us that valued him at #9 in the draft see him as a weapon that needs to be considered every time he is on the field. Still in his first year allot has to be devoted to game planning and when best to factor his game into the offense. Gailey will be working this every week.
The best thing we have going for us is the fact that we still have Freddy and Marshawn to start the flow of the game for our offense. Drafting Spiller compliments our QB’s the most. Eight guys in the box is one thing, eight guys in the backfield is another. Spillers presence should thin that out. I can see 5 – 10 touches a game in the first part of the season and 10 – 15 before season end.
Last season we expected the presence of T.O. to open things up for the other receivers, but due to the unknown such as injuries and QB play that never took off as expected. Spiller’s athleticism should provide the same scenario coming out of the backfield. We have been so crowded at the LOS it is amazing that Jackson and Lynch were able to contribute what they did. With the addition of Spiller we can switch from a ball control offense to an potential fire cracker offense just by substituting Spiller into the back field. His progression over the season will be my biggest interest going forward.
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Chicken Chasing
We should make Spiller chase a chicken. That is the only way to get faster.
Down in Florida
They chase rabbits in the swamps. There was an ESPN article about how that was a big factor in the speed that came out of that area….
~K
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by Kurupt on Apr 29, 2010 11:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yea I saw that documentary.
I’d have been more impressed if they chased snakes. lol
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
with now
more than 100,000 pythons in the everglades down here, I totally agree!
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Wow that is extremely interesting, I would love to read that article.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Apr 29, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Here ya go
Not sure the link will work since I’m on my phone posting it, but here goes:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=adelson/070416
~K
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by Kurupt on Apr 29, 2010 3:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Gonna have to paste it in your browser
Its a very cool story
~K
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by Kurupt on Apr 29, 2010 3:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thanks K.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Apr 29, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Well Chicken Chasing was a Rocky II reference…and kinda a joke I had no idea there was any sort of rabbit chasing let alone an article on it.
Yea, I got the Rocky refrence, ha, I'm very intrigued by the Florida speed issue, it amazes me.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Apr 29, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I read that as well - very weird yet very interesting
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Question
This is my first post here, but I have been reading for a while…
This is a great article, but my question is how does Spiller compare to Thurman Thomas?
It has been a while, and my memory isn’t what it once was, but I thought Thurman was 5’10", 200#…Barry Sanders was just a bit bigger. I think he was 210#.
Spiller is just over 5’10", 196#…it seems to me that Spiller could be every bit as productive as Thurman was, and actually better as he is much faster than Thurman…
Just a thought…by the way, I loved the Spiller pick and would have been really happy with this draft if we would have grabbed an OT in the 2nd or 3rd rounds.
Thurms was a 3 down back who could block the heck out of people.
And I would say the speed is relative seeing as how pretty much everyone at most positions are faster these days.
by BillsfanDan on Apr 29, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing...
Thurman was a finesse back with some good acceleration. I’m not sure how close to that Spiller is, or whether he’s just a smaller guy that is fast enough to squirt through holes rather than finessing his way through the line even if there are no holes there.
My biggest argument against the “speed back” regime is Sproles. He’s had his moments, but after being talked up so much the last few years, he really hasn’t delivered.
Personally though, if Lynch gets his act together, we could potentially have the equivalent of what Baltimore has in their backfield. Let’s face it – who WOULDN’T want that.
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Thurman didn't have near the speed
that Spiller has. His greatest asset was his vision (and patience to set up blocks),acceleration, and ability to cut on a dime to make people miss. You’d often see him hit the line, grab hold of an o lineman’s shirt, and disappear in a swarm, but scoot out the other side… But once in the open field, he didn’t have that extra gear to run away from defenders…
I guess Spiller can learn to follow blocks as well, but I don’t see it on tape and he looks to often simply out run his blocks… I also don’t see the balance that Thomas had.
Bottom line, no, I don’t think he’ll be a TT type back…
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by billsoferie on Apr 29, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Size / Speed ratio
I know Football Outsiders has a size/speed ratio that they use to rate RBs in the draft that has been right on some of the hits and misses.
I’m curious as to how Spiller fits in with that.
My hope is that the Bills limit Spiller’s touches for a couple years. No need burning out a RB when you’re not going to be very good.
Actually, here it is, although it looks to be an Insider article.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4956769
Spiller was 5th, and Ben Tate was 1st (and there’s caveats that go with that as well).
I thought the same thing when reading this article (which I loved by the way).
Spiller falls between Jones and Charles: http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4956769
by Squirmin' Thurman on Apr 29, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Jamaal Charles is set to become a stud in this league. He’s really something special. If Spiller can create opportunities for himself the same way Charles did, then his selection will make all the sense in the world to Bills fans.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 29, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Its funny
I totally agree with that. Charles was a stud last year and looked ready to explode this year. Yet it appears the Chiefs might not feel that strongly about him seeing how they’ve signed Thomas Jones and drafted McCluster. Very odd….
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by Kurupt on Apr 29, 2010 2:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I forgot they drafted McCluster. That backfield has the potential to be unstoppable.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 29, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you’ll see McCluster at WR much more often then at RB; especially in the slot.
by Jeff Winters on Apr 29, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
FO Study
Here’s as similar FO study on how collegiate RBs translate to the NFL, and this one’s not behind the Insider wall. The conclusion on Spiller is fairly similar.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/varsity-numbers/2010/varsity-numbers-poe-and-draftability
You know thinking about Spiller
If Spiller gives us somewhere around 300 or 400 rushing yards, around 200 recieving yards, and another 200 or 300 yards on Special teams, plus 4 or 5 touchdowns, I could totally live with that for a rookie year. And I wouldn’t be suprised to get more.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Many options including the option
Dont forget Spiller was used as quite the versatile back with Clemson. He even threw passes. Not a huge fan of the wildcat but when you have a threat like him, imagine if he lined up for short yardage at qb with marshawn and jackson in the I. Wow.
I would also consider Michael Turner for this list.
He’s of that huge little guy build, and boy is he a HUGE little guy. It’s an interesting list and I never really thought of Ray Rice as a speed back. I find him to just be a complete package at the position, like MJD.
I think it’s important for us all to realize that Spiller may not be thrown to the wolves right away. He may not produce numbers that many of us want from a #9 pick, and much of that could be a result of playing time, or lack thereof.
On a side note, does anyone else find it somewhat ridiculous that Chris Johnson isn’t reporting to workouts because he wants a new contract, one that makes him the highest paid player on offense in the NFL?
Yeah, he’s worth more than Brady, or Manning, or Rodgers or……
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 29, 2010 12:46 PM EDT reply actions
Another reason to take Spiller at #9 in the 1st round
Baring catastrophe, he will get paid immediately what C.J. is looking for. I realize he hasn’t played yet, but this is a situation you avoid by taking him in the first Vs anyone else, (Maybin, TeBow, Clausen etc…) with a 1st pick. That to me is all the reason to make that choice.
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As long as he performs like he deserves that money, sure.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 29, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's more ridiculous that NFL rookie contracts aren't more incentive based!
Jamarcus pulls in BANK while CJ and Brandon Marshall make zilch their first few years. Doesn’t make any sense…
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by Sluss88 on Apr 29, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mike and Mike were discussing this today. It makes all the sense in the world that if a rookie lives up to certain expectations, they should see a raise. They get the raise before they’ve handed in any projects.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 29, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO, salary cap for rooks with incentives if they achieve greatness.
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Not sure...
Spiller’s best chances of exceeding those ranges come in the receptions and returns categories.
I’m not sure just how much Spiller will be used on returns.
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why not?
because he is too fast or too talented? whaaaaa? why would he not be a return guy. we have fred jackson returning and everyone seems to think he will be the incumbent starter… so you want your RB1 rushing carries and returning punts? or you want leodis coming off his broken leg? come on.
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We won’t know, but he was sucessful in college returning kicks. I’d worry about injuries,but thats a necessary evil I quess. Gotta use him were he’s most effective.
Spiller's Effect
Spiller doesn’t even need a touch to have an effect. The mere thought of him getting the ball will change defensive schemes and open things up for others. Now imagine Fred and Spiller (in motion) together on the field. Defense’s will be on sphincter alert. Yes.
Excellent analyzation
After all is said and done I like Spiller to have right around 600 yards rushing and about 275 receiving. I loved the Spiller pick cause now they can and BETTER cut Parrish. I expect Spiller to have a good year as do I the Bills offense. Big things are right around the corner for this franchise and nobody sees it coming. Watch
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Big things are right around the corner for this franchise
^Yeah, a top five pick next year. I admire your optimism, but I do not see a good year for the Bills offense. I think our defense and ST may surprise some people and might keep us in a few games we have no business being in, but on the whole I see a down season (4-12ish) yet hope for 2011. Run on sentence like whoa.
by #1 pick in '11 on Apr 29, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Good
Attitude Cutter, I to looking forward good or bad, to Bill’s playing under new management! Truly injuries and piss poor coaching really hurt last year.
by buffalobacker on Apr 29, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I imagine Spiller is going to make his biggest impact this year as a slot (and occasional outside) receiver. It just seems like we’ve lost Reed and TO, so we’re probably going to need to mix up which players line up where in order to keep defenses guessing. And it looked to me like Spiller had a solid set of hands with the ability to make guys miss. Seems like a good match.
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