Reports: Bills went after McNabb hard, offered extension
by MattRichWarren on Apr 5, 2010 7:04 AM EDT
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PrintDonovan McNabb really didn't want to play for the Buffalo Bills.
League sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter that Donovan McNabb was traded to a divisional rival because he didn't want to play in Buffalo or Oakland, and the Eagles granted his wish. ESPN's Sal Paolantonio said the Bills and Raiders had the "two best offers" on the table for McNabb. Yahoo! Sports is reporting that the Bills were also willing to give the 33-year-old QB a contract extension, but he refused.
In other words, the Bills tried virtually everything in their power to land an established signal-caller. They offered everything they could to land a QB that would have solidified the position for the near future.
Tim Graham was quick to point out that although the Bills ultimately didn't get their man, their efforts were admirable:
While McNabb's rejection certainly was influenced by the Bills' dysfunction during a long decade without a playoff appearance, it shouldn't be a reflection of their current front office.
Rookie general manager Buddy Nix and new head coach Chan Gailey identified a need and went after one of the most accomplished quarterbacks in the league.
Close is only good in horseshoes and hand grenades, but the Bills' new front office has shown at least one NFL writer that they are on the right track.
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This is interesting to me.
It may be looked at as a rather nice way to handle a QB who has meant so much to your organization or it may also be viewed as them not seeing his talent as too much of a risk in the division.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 5, 2010 7:17 AM EDT reply actions
Apparently they gave him a list of all the teams that offered an acceptable amount of compensation and let him pick.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 5, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow. Then I can see why this happened. I’m sure McNabb wants nothing more than to stick it to the Eagles at this point in time.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 5, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
He Said, He Said?
Jason LaCanfora said on NFL Network last night that the Bills and Raiders never offered equal compensation to the Eagles. Therefore, the Eagles had to struggle with the decision of best offer from within the division… or lower compensation in order to move him out of the NFC. Who do we want to believe Paolantonio or LaCanfora? I’ve heard a number of writers mock Sal Paol… haven’t heard anyone ridicule LaCanfora, but maybe I’m just out of the loop.
Point being, we may never know the whole truth for certain.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 5, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
It wouldve been nice to have mcmcnabb in buffalo, but I guess it wasn’t meant to be. Hopefully we stay aggresive over the years and change the perception of this franchise
by buffalo bennie on Apr 5, 2010 7:29 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Agreed ...
That’s the right attitude. I can’t stand it when people respond to this stuff by saying, “Screw McNabb! We didn’t want him anyway!”
by Flutie Flakes on Apr 5, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I think there are a few ways this can be viewed...
- Simply due dilligence
- They are not high on the QBs available this year in the draft
- They are not confident about the QB(s) they like making it to them in the draft
Not how I take it
That’s certainly possible, I mean almost anyone would rate McNabb over a rookie. But I take it more as they really desired a fast turn-around and if they could have gotten a proven franchise QB in McNabb, they would have had a lot of options in the draft. Heck they may have drafted Dez Bryant at 9 just to give McNabb a target. The cit would have been buzzing then!
Well...
I guess that would be due dilligence then. You try your best to get a known quantity in the free agent market before having to take a punt on a QB that might not even be available when you pick in the draft.
Good that it didn’t work out, I think. I really didn’t want McNabb to stand in as a stop-gap holding the Bills back from their QB of the future.
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I agree to a point. I don’t know that landing McNabb meant they would ignore the future. It’s very likely they’d feel greater security in taking a project to groom under McNabb’s tenure.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 5, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I really didn't think McNabb would come here, but
it makes me think the plan was to have McNabb mentor Tebow who’s game would be very similiar to McNabb’s IMO.
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I thought this too, but it would likely have meant they’d need to take him as a 1st-rounder. I don’t have a “huge” problem with that line of thinking, but I know it would have been fairly unpopular.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 5, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
“Close is only good in horseshoes and hand grenades”
Gorilla Monsoon approves of this…
I’m glad they where willing to go after him hard, and also willing to give him an extension. Tim Graham’s article actually gives me hope.
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Tim Graham’s article actually gives me hope.
I really don’t know why it would. It’s not like the last front office wasn’t willing to make bold moves; T.O., anyone?
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 5, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
But to me
This is a move that is not like TO… McNabb is a three to five year building block…. even if T.O. was good, we knew it would be a flash in the pan at best for two years. I think this proves above all else that the Bills want a new QB pretty bad, but are holding out for players that are either proven vets, and most likely, proven college winners
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No, you’re right. McNabb would have been a much bigger deal, without question. I just don’t know why I’m supposed to be thrilled that the Bills whiffed on trying to bring in a big name. Woo?
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 5, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
McNabb situation is different
They went after a position that hasn’t been properly addressed since Jim Kelly. But even if we were to consider McNabb and T.O. as filling equal needs on this team, they went after McNabb the right way. Didn’t try to overpay (at least based on what we’ve heard so far), and didn’t settle for McNabb on a 1yr deal. Of course we don’t know if the Bills would’ve taken him on his current deal had he agreed to come to Buffalo, but I don’t think Nix would’ve traded a 2nd round pick for a 1yr QB.
I guess for you its different
because you are more even keeled and process information differently. Many Bills fans think the FO does little to address position flaws with top flight talent, and this is at least an indication that they went after said talent. I also think it gives hope that the Bills will address QB at 9 with a Clausen if he is there, and that might still happen, even if it may be such that a team like the Raiders goes crazy, drafts clausen and cuts Russell, just because Al Davis has had it, and would rather wipe the slate clean than try to cling to a player that represents the biggest mistake in the past 5 years at the top of the draft.
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by killascript on Apr 5, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You think McNabb has another three to five years left? Really?
I think McNabb behind a weak O Line, like Washington or Buffalo, would have at best a two year window to succeed.
I can understand a team trading for McNabb that is on the brink of being successful, except being short an established QB. Like Minnesota or even the Jets [okay, I know the Jets have Sanchez, but think about where they would be with an established QB for a year or two.
Hes only 33 dude
And if they get their line in better shape, they’ll be fine… McNabb makes a team mcuh better, and makes it easier to build a good team in the short term
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McNabb has played 11 seasons and particularly early in his career was a bit reckless about taking hits. He’s an ‘old’ 33 by any stretch of the imagination. A good QB, yes, but behind the Bills O-line? Asking for trouble…
our Oline is not that bad when healthy
what happens next is anyone’s guess
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Agreed.....it just goes to prove what I have been saying all along
Players don’t want to play in Buffalo, especially when we are in step 1 of a major rebuilt. And CHIX have a lot to prove before the league buys into them being for real.
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it’s not just Buffalo. McNabb informed Philly from the very start, that he was going to the Redskins. Apparently he refused to even discuss playing for any other team. He’s major pissed off at Philly and wants to have the opportunity to beat them with a division rival.
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Also.
I hate to say it but it is a reflection of the current administration. Every move that they are or aren’t able to make is a reflection of them. It might not be their fault and it might not be fair but fact of the matter is that the Bills are who they are and the front office has to prove that they are no longer the same old same old before players will want to come here.
well said
sometimes the truth hurts. It may will be a tough few years
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in this case, not so much. According to this, anyway. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-mcnabbtrade040410
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But the only way the front office is going to be able to do that is by producing wins on the football field. They don’t have to be viewed as anything, successful, or unsuccessful, until they do or don’t do that.
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by Dyl on Apr 5, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the TO move was one of desperation
They knew they were on their last leg and pulled out all guns trying to secure job security. Those type of moves didn’t occur the years before. The new “regime” has come out the gate willing to do what it takes so I’d rather think this is more their personality than the previous.
by telka on Apr 5, 2010 9:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The missing link
TO was supposed to be the missing piece that would make the offense click. Remember, when Owens was signed, we had two experienced tackles (Peters and Walker) and some shred of confidence in Trent Edwards. Schonert was beginning his second year as coordinator and we had high hopes for the offense. We just needed a legitimate receiver opposite Lee and everything would fall into place.
Well the then bumbling FO and inept HC sure made a mess of things.
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Good news
If the Bills went after McNabb hard and were willing to give a contract extension it bodes well for the future. It sounds like football people Nix/Gailey going after good football players. So McNabb didn’t want to come here, I can’t blame him at this stage of his career. He was able to stay in his comfort level in the NFC East and work with Coach Shanahan. When the Bills start winning again and become playoff contenders, players will want to play in Buffalo… Until then the Bills will continue to be the Bridesmaid and not the Bride!!!
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I would settle for being the bridesmaid...she is usually hot ;-)
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 5, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
In my experience, they are usually better endowed. We’re talking football right?
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by quantumuprising on Apr 5, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe....but ugly trumps red-head. I am sure hot red heads get theirs
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 5, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually prefer it working out this way. Getting McNabb would have been similar to getting Bledsoe; in the short term it would have helped the team get a few more wins, but it’s a step back in the long term.
I want the Bills to get a QB that’s going to lead them to a SB win, not one that will lead them to a 9-7 season.
The good news about the Redskins getting him is that they almost certainly won’t draft a QB in the first or second round now. Of course, it also means they didn’t like Clausen enough to take him at #4 so maybe it’s not good news.
I don’t know if it meant they didn’t like Clausen enough to take him at 4. I think they know they absolutely NEED a LT and that landing McNabb allows them to improve in 2 of the most important areas to a team.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 5, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d day it’s Okung. If Okung is available, I don’t see Bulaga going before him, but i’m far from an expert on these players.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 5, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
No way Okung goes before Suh, at least in my world.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 5, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Step 1 - Draft a franchise QB Step 2 - Draft an LT to protect his blindside Step 3 - Profit ;-)
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You could, but in this case I was referring to the Lions who took the QB last year.
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Everyone says that with such certainty… it’s so far from certain…
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 5, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
True, but nobody seems to mind when people say Bradford will go #1
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You can’t even compare those situations. The Rams need a QB. The Lions proved last year that they’ll take a player over need (they took Brandon Pettigrew over Oher). I’m not saying it’s a lock they don’t take Okung, but the odds are better for Suh.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 5, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I would say the odds are better for Okung, but that is what makes draft day some much fun
And for the record, I thought Oher was the BPA :-)
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with a right-handed QB…
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 5, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps, or maybe they’re trying to accelerate the building of the team.
But if they really liked Clausen they would have stayed at 4 I would think. Maybe trade the 2nd for Gaither.
They did stay at 4. They lose #4 of the second round this year.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 5, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Poor word choice on my part. If they liked Clausen they would have selected him at 4 and figured out another way to get a tackle. Now that they have McNabb a QB at 4 is highly unlikely.
Aah, your comment makes all the sense in the world now.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 5, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
So a future HOFer didn't want to be traded to a rebuilding team?
What part of that is at all surprising?
Mind you it’s good to know that Nix is willing to do whatever possible to make this team better.
The more I see, the less I know.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 5, 2010 9:00 AM EDT reply actions
Right, and not surprising that he’d want to work with Shanahan. If you look at the teams’ recent history though, nothing about the Redskins says they’re superior to the Bills. I still think revenge plays a big part in his decision.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 5, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I knew this had to be the case
I just had a feeling that we were looking to get McNabb and were pushing hard to get him… but as Canadien says, the Great QB McNabb not wanting to helm a rebuilding project is no surprise. I wonder if the Bills FO is able to contact McNabb directly, so to state their case?
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This would have been misguided
While I commend OBD for being honest with themselves in evaluating just how talentless Edwards and Fitzpatrick are and actively seeking to replace them, hitching their wagon to a 34 year old QB with injury issues, psychological problems, and no experience outside of the West Coast offense would have been a terrible move in my opinion. The cost in draft picks and in salary would have bee to great in my estimation. Glad to see the activity on OBDs part, but in the end, I think this all worked out for the best that McNabb is in Washington.
Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.
McNabb goes on the list with Shannahan, Cowher, Tony Gonzalez. The Bills will never, NEVER be able to bring in real, talented players or coaches that have a choice. We are the least attractive franchise in the league. Period.
Oakland has to be at least as unattractive. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 5, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Beautiful weather
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by uPitt_BillsFan on Apr 5, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
in oakland????????????????
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Yes in Oakland
Its located directly across from San Fransisco, which is a coastal desert, aka ~20 cloudy days a year… imagine how much happier Buffalo would be if it was sunny everyday, im gettin goosebumps
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by uPitt_BillsFan on Apr 5, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
If it’s anything like Rochester right now, i’d imagine people are giddy. The weather here is nicer than California and Arizona.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 5, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
The weather may be better then Buffaloe
But Oakland is like the UGLY red headed step child in Cali.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Because players have to live in Oakland when they play there
And not San Fran or Berkeley or Palo Alto or Santa Clara or any of the dozens of places that they actually do live that are hundreds of times better than Buffalo and its towns.
You’re right to certain degree. Buffalo, New York, will never be an attractive place to live weather-wise, but again if we build a winning culture in Buffalo, the problems we’re having of reeling in players and coaches won’t withstand. Just look at Pittsburgh.
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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Apr 5, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently you haven’t been to Pittsburgh, lately. It’s mostly a nice place, since they replaced the steel industry with high tech and medical business’. Detroit, on the other hand, is every bit as dank as Buffalo.
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The Bills will never, NEVER be able to bring in real, talented players or coaches that have a choice.
You didn’t finish your thought. They won’t be able to do so until the front office is solidified and appears to have direction league-wide.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 5, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Close only counts...
In horseshoes and hand grenades…
Ultimately in the end we didn’t get our guy, so this story is all hearsay. I don’t want to hear about admirable efforts, I just want results. You play to win the games.
Too bad, I think McNabb would have been a good choice. As I have stated many times Nix’s job is one of the most difficult in the league, he will find it VERY difficult to convince any talent to come to Buffalo, that is why we should all be careful if he HAS to overpay someone to come here.
Anyway, SHOW US THE BABY Nix!
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on Apr 5, 2010 9:44 AM EDT reply actions
I AM SCARED
MRW,
I just read your last sentence of your article (“horseshoes/hand grenades”), it scares me that we would use the same phrase!
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on Apr 5, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 5, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
The McNabb Effect
How much does this trade alter our draft choice at 9(if any)? Was Tebow an option IF we had a good veteran to teach him? Are we still interested in him, or will Claussen be more desired. BTW please no Campbell.
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I wouldnt want McNabb anyways........
no point in bringing a guy thats probably only got 2-3 good years left in him……..when it would be better to develop their own young guy……who in 2-3 years will just be coming into his prime………instead of starting to fill out his AARP card information.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 5, 2010 10:49 AM EDT reply actions
QB isnt RB
the prime isnt 28, its more like 31
the age 30 ceiling doesn’t exist, and campbell doesnt have an injury history to be concerned about, so if he realizes his potential thats a long time before the most important position on the team becomes a gaping hole again
that sounds like a great scenario to me, and just as likely as finding a great guy in this years draft
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by uPitt_BillsFan on Apr 5, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
You know...
You look at this Shutdown Corner article:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Redskins-offered-Haynesworth-in-exchange-for-McN?urn=nfl,232011
and you have to ask yourself just how much have the Redskins changed? They provided lip-service to the effect of not going gung-ho in FA, yet they brokered a large deal to land McNabb. I wonder how safe he feels if he doesn’t perform magic for them, given that Haynesworth was / is apparently on the market.
To me, that team is in no better shape than the Bills. They just have higher-profile players being paid a ton to underperform the same way.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 5, 2010 10:51 AM EDT reply actions
The Redskins coaching was a joke last year......they have new and RESPECTED GM and HC.....big difference...expect the Skins to contend this year
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I’ll believe it when I see it, that’s all i’m saying. To me, McNabb identifies more of the same with that franchise. They rely on the big time FA (or veteran, in this case) to lead their team, rather than find and develop their own talent. They’ve proven rather inept at developing their own players recently, outside of the remarkable Sean Taylor.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 5, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Shanny is the best HC the Redskins have had since Gibbs (first time around)
Snyder is going to back off and let him do this thing. They have put a lot of pieces together and they still have their 1st round pick in this draft. Besides, I hate the Cowboys and will route against the Eagles as long as Peters is on the team.
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We’ll see how much success he has in Washington, again. As of right now, I think he has his work cut out for him, even with McNabb.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 5, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe the Bills should trade for 290 lbs Jamarcus Russell........
if he doesnt work out as a QB, well then the LT issue could be solved……….it could be a win win :-)
290 lb QB…………….thats just awesome.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 5, 2010 10:56 AM EDT reply actions
So you want to add fat to dumb and lazy and think you are going to get an LT .....should have just kept Peters then :-)
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Oh well
I’m not disappointed and I’m not about to congratulate the Bills for trying. This situation might prove that perception is reality. McNabb saw a Redskins team, that was worse last year than the Bills or Raiders, as a better location. Mike Shanahan surely helps, but I’d have to imagine the reputations of Oakland and Buffalo were a factor as well….
Again, oh well.
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no stone unturned
…was promised by Chix and they’re living up to their word. No congratulations for trying, but so far they seem to be a competent group—though the bar set by the previous regime was ankle high.
Although it would be hard not to pursue a quality veteran like McNabb, perhaps it’s for the best. I’d hate to see our latest investment on IR after a few games playing behind the Bills O-line, which may need another 1/2 to full year before rising to an average level of competence.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
The Bills are reportedly interested in Campbell now that McNabb has spurned Buffalo and signed with Washington. It seems pretty clear that CHIX is determined to filling the hole before the draft—and with a veteran signal caller who has at least 3-4 seasons left in the tank. While McNabb had zero interest in Buffalo (or Oakland) I find it unlikely that Campbell has either the leverage or personality to shun a franchise that will make him ‘the guy’. And you know that Campbell has to be pissed and ready to play with a chip on his shoulder.
If the Bills trade for Campbell what is fair compensation? The Redskins unintentionally devalued him by trading for McNabb. I can see Washington wanting a 3rd but settling for a fourth. To scratch QB off the list of needs for a fourth (leaving OT, DT, LB as the top remaining needs) seems to be well worth it to me.
And, yes, Buffalo could still take Tebow—particularly if the team trades down—to develop behind Campbell.
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
If i’m Nix, I offer a sixth for Campbell. The fact that they didn’t want him last year, and proved it by bringing in McNabb should tell teams how much value he has to their team.
I say the Bills should take the upper hand, if going this route. Personally, i’d rather they not give up a 4th for Campbell. I like him, and think he never stood a chance much like our man Edwards, but I think there’s a good bit of work that needs to be done with him.
He’s like a slightly more poised version of Trent Edwards, to me.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 5, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Peter King is saying a 5th
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/05/report-five-teams-interested-in-jason-campbell/
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I’d be o.k. with a 5th, but my heart is set on Deji Karim there. If Campbell comes here, I want Trent out the door before TC and we better still be targeting a QB early in the draft.
"the true is we havent had SQUAT, SQUISHY,SAQUASUM SAQGUANDO, DIDLY DORI BING TURY CRAP" - abayarde
What does Trent Edwards have to do with the discussion? The front office is clearly interested in upgrading the QB position. If Edwards makes the roster it will be as the 2nd string guy with either Brohm or Fitzpatrick being dropped.
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
I don’t see Trent being a happy 2nd string QB. Fitz has proven he’s a capable number 2 and 100% willing to accept it. Brohm may have some potential, nobody knows. Gailey has stated he’s going into TC with 4 QB’s, not 5.
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Don't worry about using that 5th......we will either have Lynch or pics after we trade him
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By all means, if we can acquire an above-average starting QB with terrific tools and still considerable upside for a fifth rounder, I’d be ecstatic. The guy might not be Joe Montana, but he’s still a QB, who I believe with the right coaching could become a very good starting QB that can lead his team to the playoffs each year. He was in a horrible situation in Washington with constant coaching changes, way too big expectations, a horrendous O-line that couldn’t pass- or run-block and just a pretty bad football team altogether.
If we acquire him, spend our first rounder on an OT (Bulaga, Trent Williams, Anthony Davis), trade up for Mount Cody, acquire a promising scatback like Dexter McCluster, add LB-depth in Micah Johnson and some WR-competition in Jordan Shipley, heck we might just be in the playoffs in two years :)
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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Apr 5, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Campbell isn’t above-average. He’s average to below-average. To call him about average makes him one of the best 15 or so QBs in the league.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 5, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
…a QB, who I believe with the right coaching could become a very good starting QB that can lead his team to the playoffs each year. He was in a horrible situation in [insert beloved city] with constant coaching changes, way too big expectations, a horrendous O-line that couldn’t pass- or run-block and just a pretty bad football team altogether
hmm…sound familiar?
I’m with MRW…he’s an average QB, which would make him the best QB on the Bills roster.
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Buffalo may not be the only team interested in Campbell so it may take more than a 5th to get him.
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
That is not how it works, Ron
If the Bills are the only team interested in Campbell, his price goes down, not up.
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oopps....read it wrong....thought you said Bills were the only team....sorry
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At this point, I’m having a hard time seeing how we don’t end up with Clausen at #9. Just a gut feeling. I’d love Campbell for a mid-round pick though if we could get it done, then take LT at 9, and NT at 42. That is assuming everything works out a certain way though and in the NFL thats asking a lot.
somebodys gonna do it
I gotta feelin that Chix is gonna be the one to pull this rabbit out of its grizzled southern hat
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by uPitt_BillsFan on Apr 5, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if they have to wait until next year’s draft to get their LT, i’m all for a QB at #9, whoever that talented SOB turns out to be.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 5, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
D.Bell
If he could stay healthy that would be the biggest improvement right there.
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Shades of Jauron’s tenure? I’m not sold on the current FO being in love with Bell the same way Jauron and his merry men were.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 5, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope
he will give us a good chance to improve
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Is anyone else scared that we are never going to be a contender again?
I’ve unfortunately have had season tickets since 2000. Every year I have hope that we are turning a corner, maybe it’s wishful thinking our just stupidity. However with the news of coaches and players not wanting to come to this franchise I lose more and more faith. We have been putting the blame on FO and HC for so long. How may different regimes do we need to have until we realize the true problem, which is the ownership. My grandmother is 92 y/o and we don’t allow her to run a microwave, but Ralph is capable to run a Football Franchise? Seriously 92 y/o, he looks and talks like Schmiegel from the lord of the rings. The man has been notoriously cheap. Lets face it the stadium is paid in full, so every seat is profit. He complains that they have no money yet he could easily sell the naming rights to the stadium for good money, but he wont because his ego is to large. If you remember even the “golden god” Jim Kelly wanted nothing to do with the Bills until Trump sunk the USFL. He chased out Polian who IMO the best GM in NFL history because of his ego and cheapness. I sorry for the rant, but I’m sick and tired of seeing this team be the butt of all jokes in the league. A lot of hard working people spent money on this team and made Mr. Wilson rich. Give us something to cheer about …Please.
Would landing McNabb have changed your sentiments above?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 5, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d say that’s accurate. =)
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 5, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow. The owner was willing to spend $10M+ to get a new starting QB in here and that’s a bad thing? The true problem is a bunch of well-respected football guys he hired have stunk. Tom Donahoe came in with a great pedigree. Stunk. Gregg Williams was an up-and-coming coordinator. Stunk. Mike Mularkey. Stunk. They drafted questionable players. Where is this Ralph’s fault, again?
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 5, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Wilson is the guy making those bad hires time and time again.
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
But my point was that all those guys were well-respected around the league. None of them were a reach or even unpopular choices. It’s not like he passed over Bill Parcells, for instance, to hire Gregg Williams or Bill Polian to hire Donahoe. All you can do is go on past history. History showed Donahoe, Mularkey, and Williams had just as good of a shot as anyone.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 5, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
The only thing I’m happy about regarding this story is the fact – and I think this has crossed from pattern to undeniable fact at this point – that Nix and Gailey realize their quarterbacks stink, and that they won’t do anything without a good one. That fact alone is encouraging. The rest will fall into place.
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Absolutely, but, boy, if they didn’t realize that, well let’s just be happy they didn’t!!!!! Lol
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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Apr 5, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m surprised (if only semi-related in topic) that more analysts aren’t questioning the Eagles move here. Kolb has played 2 games and produced stats. 2 games. I think that organization is in for a wake-up call, and i’ll be happy to eat my words if it turns out otherwise.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 5, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
There’ll surely be growing pains but overall looking at the big picture, I think the Eagles made the right move to trade McNabb. Kolb proved during the two games he played that he’s ready to become their starting QB as he looked extremely confident and the Eagles offense didn’t skip a beat with him under center.
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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Apr 5, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Their opponents those games were New Orleans (a loss) and KC ( a win). Not exactly powerhouses against the pass, especially in the first month of the 2010 season.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 5, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Aaron Rodgers’ success gives the Eagles the benefit of the doubt here I think.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 5, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Why?
I think the success of the Eagles the past ten years gives them the benefit of the doubt. Not a QB for another team that happened to sit for 3 years.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I meant in fans’ eyes. Sorry for the nebulous statement. You’re dead on, too.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 5, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Ooh nebulous
Nice word!
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lol the rest will fall into place?
Only if they select one that doesnt turn out to suck as well………
Had to finish that for you.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 5, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahahahah.....I was thinking.....And that "place" is mediocrity
"I'm a peripheral visionary." - Steven Wright
Hate to be a naysayer, but...
I personally think the Bills will wiff at getting ANY franchise level QB and will be stuck with picking up a Bulger or similar. I expect the Bills to waffle at Clausen with the #9 pick due to risk and miss at #41 with Tebow because he will be gone. The draft is likely only going to yield a 4th or 5th rd QB for the Bills, though honestly he may be better than what we have. Fall into place will look an awful lot like fall apart. Wish this was different…
Sometimes it is better to be thought a fool than to speak and leave no doubt!
One bright side to this though...
the picks would likely get used improving the DL and/or OL, so there would be team improvement, just not at their critical need. In my opinion anyways. Maybe it would be enough to give our below average QBs a chance…
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