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Bills DT McCargo needs a change of scenery

It was slightly over four years ago now that the Buffalo Bills were trading picks with the Chicago Bears in order to move back into the first round of the 2006 NFL Draft to pick DT John McCargo. Playing between future pros Mario Williams and Manny Lawson at North Carolina State, the 6'2", 307-pound McCargo was thought by many to be a prospect of near-equal value to his two college teammates.

Buffalo made the move, selecting McCargo at No. 26 overall. Another defensive tackle wouldn't be taken until 42 picks later, and no DT of impact was added until the fourth round (Cincinnati's Domata Peko). Considered a second- or third-round pick, Buffalo might have been reaching in taking McCargo, but considering his pre-draft buzz, the move wasn't terribly surprising to some. Coupled with fellow first-round pick S Donte Whitner, Buffalo had the two players around which it'd build its new Tampa 2 defense.

Those four years have since passed, and Buffalo is in the midst of a change to the 3-4 defense. The Bills spent their off-season re-tooling their defensive line, and while McCargo remains part of that rotation, it's only in name. One of the most disheartening stories of recent Bills history, McCargo has had a long, strange journey from college upstart to the fringe of the NFL.

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Unheralded collegian
Coming out of NC State, scouts were generally positive regarding the unheralded athlete that played between the highly-touted Williams (No. 1 overall, Houston) and the supremely athletic Lawson (No. 22 overall, San Francisco). Both Wolfpack pass rushers credited McCargo's ability to handle multiple blockers on the interior as one of the biggest reasons for their own individual successes, though McCargo's own contributions can be annotated with the same argument.

Scouts had always loved McCargo's athleticism. At his size, he was a productive defensive lineman, but more surprisingly, he was a productive fullback, where he rushed for 648 yards throughout his high school career. He was also a baseball, basketball and track star. That athleticism was on display at NC State, as well, where in three seasons McCargo accumulated 29 starts, 134 tackles, 3.5 sacks and 29.5 tackles for a loss. A short, stout, quick athlete capable of penetrating into the backfield, McCargo was viewed as an ideal fit for a one-gap scheme emphasizing quickness on the defensive line.

After a 2005 junior season that ended with foot surgery to fix a stress fracture, McCargo decided to enter the 2006 NFL Draft.

Durability concerns and flashes of potential
McCargo's ability to avoid injury was already in question coming out of college; as previously mentioned, his junior season in 2005 was cut short by a stress fracture injury to his foot that required surgery. After a rough start to his rookie season in which McCargo struggled in dealing with the rigors of his first NFL training camp, his first year in Buffalo came to a premature close with a broken foot suffered in a Week 5 loss to Chicago.

Despite the mounting durability concerns, McCargo responded well to the adversity in his second pro season. Fully healthy, McCargo appeared in all 16 games and performed better and better as the season wore on. In part-time duty, McCargo recorded 29 tackles, 2.5 sacks, forced and recovered a fumble, and finished third on the team with seven tackles for a loss. His play was inconsistent throughout the season, but he flashed the ability to make plays behind the line of scrimmage, and fans and experts alike were once again bullish on his pro prospects.

2008, however, was a monumental disappointment for McCargo. A Bills trade for former Jacksonville DT Marcus Stroud and the free agent signing of Minnesota's Spencer Johnson helped Buffalo's run defense slightly; it also slid McCargo further down the depth chart, particularly considering the emergence of Kyle Williams, a fifth-round pick the same year McCargo was drafted.

In October of 2008, McCargo was traded to the Indianapolis Colts in a move that ended, at least in theory, his disappointing tenure with the Bills. The trade, however, quickly fell through when a back issue prevented McCargo from passing Indy's team physical. Returned to the club he'd fallen out of favor with, McCargo was available to the Bills for six more weeks before that back injury landed him on injured reserve. Just a year removed from a promising 2007 season, McCargo did not record a single statistic in 2008.

Last season, McCargo dealt with more nagging injuries throughout the season (the most prominent being a calf injury), but did appear in 11 games, registering six tackles as a reserve rotational player.

3-4 leaving McCargo in the cold
Injuries, inconsistency and the general lack of what we might call a "top-notch motor" have inhibited McCargo's growth throughout his four NFL seasons. Now, with Buffalo switching to the 3-4 defense, there may not be a player more likely to be released outright on Buffalo's roster than the 2006 first-round pick.

Athletically, McCargo is not a good fit for a traditional two-gap 3-4 alignment. His best asset is quickness and penetrating ability, but 3-4 ends are asked to control two gaps, set the edge and generally be anonymous. At best, McCargo has the look of a situational player for Buffalo in the 3-4 - a player that would see limited playing time on those rare occasions that the Bills used four down linemen and needed an athletic penetrator. Even in those situations, Williams would get the nod before McCargo.

Then the Bills, under the direction of new GM Buddy Nix - a man with absolutely no connection to McCargo - signed Baltimore free agent DE Dwan Edwards. He made sure that it was widely known that the team loved Williams' motor and toughness, and though he, too, isn't a classic fit for the 3-4, there will a spot for him on the roster. Two more 3-4 linemen were added in the second and third rounds of the 2010 NFL Draft in the form of NT Torell Troup and DE Alex Carrington. The presence of Stroud and the two newcomer ends means that McCargo, at best, was in the conversation as a third-string defensive end.

McCargo is still on the roster. He'll get a look in training camp under new head coach Chan Gailey, but it's likely to be a perfunctory look. Buffalo's direction along the defensive line is clear, and McCargo isn't part of the picture. Younger reserve linemen with better motors, such as Marlon Favorite, Rashaad Duncan and Lonnie Harvey, arguably hold more value to this Bills team now. McCargo's training camp release is now virtually inevitable, and when it happens, it will bring an end to one of the most curious Bills draft bust stories in recent memory.

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do we let him go or ask for a 7th round pick from someone?

by quantumuprising on May 10, 2010 10:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Try to get what we can from a team still running the 4-3 who has an injury during training camp is my feeling

Wait on him till someone gets hurt elsewhere and trade him for what we can get. Otherwise, during the second round of cuts, axe him and minimize the loss.

I liked the kid, which was a bit odd, but that 2007 season really looked like the start of a good career, but sadly, injuries and work ethic got him. Too bad.

Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....

by WABillsfan on May 11, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody in their right mind would trade anything for John McBusto

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by BillsfanfromDenmark on May 10, 2010 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Big time mess up by OBD on this one. If he doesnt fit anywhere, which I dont see him doing, let him go. There is no reason for him to be in Buffalo. Release him or trade him for a 7th, a la Ko Simpson.

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by bflo on May 10, 2010 10:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Gonna have to put a stop to this idea that McCargo can be dealt, I guess. He cannot. He will not be. He’ll either make the team, or he’ll be cut.

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by Brian Galliford on May 10, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thats why I only said a 7th. Releasing him would be fine with me too. Maybe thats what he needs, like you said, Change of scenery.

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by bflo on May 10, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ko

why did we end up trading him for 7th rounder?
He played well alongside Whitner his rookie season. Although I am much happier to have Byrd I was just curious.

by Teaters33 on May 10, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Played pretty poor after his rookie season, then got arrested / in trouble drinking and being loud on New Years Eve and when the cops were talking to him he infamously said… “Im Ko SImpson of the Buffalo Bills, Im worth millions.” … he was an idiot lol.

But I agree with you… after his rookie season I thought we might have had someone in him.

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by bflo on May 10, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Injuries are what sidelines Ko, kid could not stay healthy and would sit with minor injuries which infuriated the Front Office and Coaches

Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....

by WABillsfan on May 11, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

He took a salary for four years doing nothing...

might as well use him as a warm body for the offense to practice against for awhile and then cut him

by telka on May 10, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless someone with a 4-3 sees an injury during preseason or TC Brian, then I see him having some value to someone

Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....

by WABillsfan on May 11, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

A product of Marv’s consensus management front office. Thank goodness that’s over.

by radan on May 10, 2010 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

The Bills gave up the 73rd pick (3rd rounder) to move up 16 spots from the 2nd to late 1st.

The third round was pretty weak overall (the 4th round was pretty good), but there were players the Bills passed on to take McCargo that were pretty good.

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by Pistol on May 10, 2010 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

hated this pick almost as much as the whitner pick!

by MLZNW02 on May 10, 2010 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

McCargo

Here’s what I remember about the John McCargo era:

I remember that about three weeks before the 2006 draft, Len Pasquarelli (one of the very few NFL writers in that national media I tend to respect), wrote a feature on McCargo as a rising prospect in NFL circles who was going to be drafted higher than the draftniks (who I don’t respect even slightly) were predicting. As it turns out, the Bills took him in the 1st round and despite the superficial cries of reach (I really don’t like draftniks), McCargo was a 1st round graded draft prospect forever more.

I remember being hopeful that McCargo was coming on late in 2007 after his injury shortened rookie season. He made a few plays in the backfield and suddenly I had visions of the prototypical penetrating, play-making defensive tackle of Buccaneers’ folk lore that I was promised was the reward for trading off girth in Jauron’s miniature defense (that I was philosophically opposed to, but still on board with early in his tenure). The Bills added Stroud before the 2008 season, and I envisioned the two of them taking off in what was supposed to be Dick Jauron’s “Great Leap Forward” in 2008 as the Bills were supposed to become contenders and prove the skeptics wrong about OBD’s re-building plan with a schedule that looked easy on paper (and for once it actually was).

The Great Leap Forward ended in widespread famine. 2008 was a disaster for the Bills and for McCargo. The Bills’ plans for cornerstones of their re-building effort like Whitner, Edwards, Walker, Dockery, Royal, Kelsay, Simpson, and McCargo fell completely flat. You couldn’t fault Wilson for handcuffing the organization. Buffalo was aggressive in the draft, aggressive in free agency, and decisive in installing their guy at QB when Jauron and company were not on board with the holdover, Losman. In every case, the decision proved to be failures.

As the author states above, McCargo’s release is pretty much inevitable. I doubt he gtes more than a curious sniff even from team’s running the Tampa 2, where he fits better on paper. Was McCargo a “reach”? I don’t think so. If Buffalo had him graded as a 1st round prospect at DT, there’s no faulting their adding him. They just failed in grading him. Draftniks (not a fan, again) have labeled Troup a “reach”. What I liked about teh Troup pick was that Buffalo had all of the NTs outside of Dan Williams on the board when they took him. I liked Cody due to my being familiar with the SEC, but Buffalo took Troup instead and that’s more than fine. I don’t believe in the concept of a reach. If Nix and company graded this kid correctly, he’ll be one of teh top two NTs from the 2010 draft and nobodyb will be complaining about that pick two years from now. If they graded him poorly, like OBD did with McCargo in 2006, it will blow up in their face. We can only hope that Buffalo has better talent evaluators in charge now because Buffalo’s failings in recent drafts are more than evident for even the most appeased of Buffalo’s fan base. We won’t know if we do for a couple of seasons, but Troup vs. McCargo is a nice place to start grading Buddy Nix in the years to come due to their positions and where they were drafted. Anything other than a slam dunk victory for Troup in terms of success would not bode well for Nix. McCargo set the bar wildly low.

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by Port Royal on May 10, 2010 11:11 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Rec''d
but Troup vs. McCargo is a nice place to start grading Buddy Nix in the years to come due to their positions and where they were drafted.

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by VanScottM on May 10, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dick Jauron as the Great Helmsman?

Quite an analogy! Are you reaching out to all the new Chinese Bills/BR fans, now that there’s a Wang in the fold?

by Gino Parilli on May 10, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice guy, but.....

Unfortunately a bust and just beng a nice guy will not make you a good player – Watched McCargo at NC-State and they used to think he was the reason why Mario Williams and Lawson would get so many sacks – Tank Tyler was also on that line, but McCargo looks like a bust at this point!

by BuffaloWhiner on May 10, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

If the Bills cut McCargo, he could end up reunited with his college teammate in Houston.

by SCBillsfan on May 10, 2010 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m fine with that. I’m fine with him making something of his career, but it’s quite clear it will never happen in Buffalo. He won’t ever live up to what fans expect at this point, and his best can only be found somewhere else.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on May 10, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

One Word

McGottago……..

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by Goose22 on May 10, 2010 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh that was a fun draft

With the selection of Whitner and McCargo in round 1 (followed up by Youboty and Ko SImpson), Marv and Jauron instantly got the ball rolling downhill in their feeble attempt to rebuild. I still get queasy thinking about how pathetic those selections were and how bad Levy was overall here. I just hope that Buddy Nix isn’t cut from the same cloth.

Brian, you were being kind with that title. McCargo needs more than a change of scenery. He needs a change of scenery, change of mindset, change of work ethic and needs someone to really, really, really light a fire under his behind if they are to get anything out of him. My guess is he’ll be released in an early wave of cuts, getting a couple of looks by the Tampas, Indys and some other 4-3’s that could use a rotational DT like Oakland, Atlanta and so on. I don’t think he’ll ever make it onto one of those rosters though, barring injury to others. Like others, I had hopes for this guy, but it was a risky move from the start drafting a kid with injury issues that was a late riser. I just hope we don’t talk about McKelvin, Hardy, Maybin, Spiller or Troup the same way over the next few years….

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by Kurupt on May 10, 2010 12:47 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

“Welcome to McCargo…..errrrhhhh, I mean McDonalds, may I take your order?”

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on May 10, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh

I knew I shouldn’t have read this story while trying to eat lunch.

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by billskk69 on May 10, 2010 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

hindsight

McCargo is the posterboy of the bills draft ineptitude. Add Whitner to the mix and you have one huge snafu.

Those on the board when we picked Whitner: Leinert, Sims, Cutler, Ngata, Cromartie,Maroney, D. Joseph, S. Holmes

Those on the board when we picked McCargo: D. Williams, Mangold, Addai, Kiwanuka, L.White, Harper, McNeil, D. Ryan

Bold= probowler

Some make it happen, some watch it happen and some ask, what happened?

by fansince60 on May 10, 2010 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

McCargo is the posterboy of the bills draft ineptitude.

Sorry, but no he isn’t – that’s about as hyperbolic as it gets. Mike Williams and/or J.P. Losman are the poster boys of the Bills’ draft ineptitude.

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by Brian Galliford on May 10, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK

fair to say we have a whole wall of posters!

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by fansince60 on May 10, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

  • should have been more specific – McCargo = draft ineptitude in the 2006 draft.

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by fansince60 on May 10, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

mike williams erik flowers

I've never met a QB who can throw off his back

by Gpluehri on May 10, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

hyperbole

I don’t know. I’d argue McCargo is in the mix. Mike Williams started for a few seasons. Obviously, he was not very good, but McCargo hasn’t really been able to even get a steady role in a defensive line rotation within a defense that requires waves of players getting snaps. JP Losman was obviously a poor draft choice given his production, but considering that out of the entire four year Jauron era, he gave the Bills the best season of quarterback play they had (2006), I’d rank McCargo as a bigger whiff. I’d place Whitner in the mix too since I I’d say a player as high as Whitner was selected needs to be counted on as a Pro Bowl calber player, especially if you’re going to utilize the pick on a non-impact position like safety (or running back. Spiller needs to be great, not decent).

I’d rank the biggest whiffs of the decade (stopping at 2007 as to not jump the gun on Ellis, Hardy, etc.) as:

1. Erik Flowers (26)
2. John McCargo (26- plus wasted extra picks)
3. Mike Williams (4)
4. Donte Whitner (8)
5. Corey Moore (89)
6. JP Losman (22- plus wasted extra picks)
7. Dwayne Wright (111)
8. Ashton Youboty (70)
9. Travares Tillman (58)
10. Tim Anderson (74)

I left off Kevin Everett (86) due to his injury, Roscoe Parrish (55) due to his making plays in the return game before 09…I think McCargo is definitely one Buffalo’s biggest whiffs.

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by Port Royal on May 10, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d place Whitner in the mix too since I I’d say a player as high as Whitner was selected needs to be counted on as a Pro Bowl calber player, especially if you’re going to utilize the pick on a non-impact position like safety.

You roll that out, and then say “Mike Williams started for a few seasons” ? Yiiiiiiiiiiiikes.

Also, since when is safety a non-impact position?

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by Brian Galliford on May 10, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

You could make an argument for Losman, Williams, Whitner, McCargo, a lot of these guys for a lot of reasons…I just don’t think McCargo being the categorized as teh worst of the worst is really hyperbole.

Safety is a non-impact position because other than the elite four or five players in the game, I view scores of them as interchangeable (the same goes for running back). You really need to hit a home run to take a safety that high in my opinion. Otherwise, you can find guys like George Wilson and Bryon Scott on the street can do the job just as effectively.

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by Port Royal on May 10, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha – so it’s not the position, just the players.

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by Brian Galliford on May 10, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tend to believe it's more the position

Since most teams aren’t going to be rolling with a top flight, major impact Safety. Taking one in the top 10 means the kid better become one of those top guys. Otherwise, I tend to agree with PR that a quality or solid safety can be found anywhere. Obviously, that can be said about any position, but there are numerous examples of above average safeties that weren’t top 10 picks, or even first day picks, and I’d say it’s much easier to find those types of players at the position, than any many other positions.

/generalized positional discussion

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by Kurupt on May 10, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I just don’t understand what “non-impact position” means. Punters have a fricking impact.

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by Brian Galliford on May 10, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's fair

It’s not exactly a term that can be easily described or defined…..

I don’t even know if I can begin to try making the distinction either. Quickly put, I’d say a player that week in, week out, that can and does have a major impact on the game is at an “impact position”…..QB, WR, Pass rusher, CB, LT. Players at DT, MLB, TE, S, interior OL that largely go unnoticed outside of major mistakes or huge plays fit the “non-impact” group I suppose. Even all that is vague and not very distinguishable…..UGH

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by Kurupt on May 10, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jairus Byrd didn’t make a week in, week out impact at the same FS spot Whitner was supposed to have? :-)

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by MattRichWarren on May 11, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

safety

If safeties are a dime a dozen, selecting one in the top 10 only makes sense if the guy is ed Reed-ville, in my opinion. The same goes for running back. It’s not that having a quality safety or running back isn’t important, it’s that finding one that can do the job at any point in the offseason is so much easier than finding players at other positions. It’s a numbers issue in my mind- every year there seems to be quality veteran safeties in free agency that don’t even get into a camp until June. The same goes for running backs. I think there are far less in terms of numbers of capable players at other positions (see the Bills’ fans who are more understanding than me on Buffalo’s inability to find a QB or LT this offseason. Their argument is ’Who’s out there?’).

Safety has an impact on the field, but you’re not making an impact to your roster in terms of resource allocation by simply drafting an adequate starter in the top 10. I think you can get away with a solid single at other positions where the number of legitimate players league-wide is far greater demand.

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by Port Royal on May 10, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

OK, that all makes sense. I guess my problem then becomes labeling Whitner a bust because he hasn’t turned out to be the embodiment of perfection at safety. To me, a bust is a guy that sucks and has done nothing for your team. Whitner is decidedly neither of those. Bad draft decision, good player.

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by Brian Galliford on May 10, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

can see the logic

but i agree with brian. except on the bad draft decision but only because i agree with the good player part.

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by Ren Diggity on May 10, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Punters have a fricking impact.

If it wasn’t for Brian Moorman and his ability to change field position we would have lost even more games over the last few years

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on May 11, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

And while we are dogging Whitner

i think that though i made a mistake recently on how durable i felt he has been (he has missed 10 games in 4 seasons) i have to ask: how many true “impact” pro bowl caliber SS are there in the league? Bob Sanders ?(hurt way more than donte- he has only PLAYED 8 games the last 2 seasons and had 2 other single digit starting seasons), Troy Polamalu? (hurt more often as donte-19 games missed in 4 seasons), and certainly no one will argue the current best is Ed Reed (hurt far less often than any above missing only 10 games in 8 seasons)… i mean, it is simply a position that brings injury.

As a SS, you need to play in the box, and you need to cover bigger WR and TE’s. So, ultimately i just want to bring up the fact that we have lined him up at all DB positions, asked him own all job responsibilities immediately upon being drafted, as well as be a leader on d and own his role as a #1 pick. everyone has this compassionate learning curve timeframe they afforded to Poz, including multiple injuries from thinking he is HE-MAN and can arm tackle everyone…. but Donte is a huge bust. WHA???? seriously he is by no stretch of the imagination a top 10 Strong Safety in the league, and SS is one of the more mentally challenging positions. especially on our defense. I mean, i would love to know how many snaps he recorded in a position other than SS, or how many times he was in the box because our run defense was so awful. but we can dog him for not getting interceptions. i am sure that was the role he was given… run around looking for the ball. nevermind the RB taking it to the house. Forget about the TE that is 8 inches taller than you and outweighs you by 100 pounds… no sweat… just pick the ball too.

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by Ren Diggity on May 10, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think George Wilson is better than Donte Whitner. Donte Whitner was a top 10 pick. Those two statements don’t mean that I think Donte Whitner is a horrible football player. Coupled together, they simply mean that I think he was a horrible draft choice. I’m not dogging Whitner; I’m dogging OBD.

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by Port Royal on May 10, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, i can't say i disagree... but i don't really know if i agree either.

truthfully i think that Wilson could get the nod over donte, as he and byrd have proven to have good chemistry. that said, i am one of the few fans who is curious as to whether our DBs are as solid as everyone else feels. I just want to point out that we ran a tampa 2 style zone 4-3 which rarely ever calls for man corners. is mcgee still fast enough? will leodis bounce back from the injury? can youboty or corner even play man at all? the few occasions they were out there in man i saw them get beat… youboty for a td and corner for a huge play. donte may be a viable option as a nickel corner if wilson gets the nod, and i think that will help us in the event our opposition runs out of 3 or 4 wr set, and also in maximizing the number of proven players on the field at one time.

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by Ren Diggity on May 10, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think florence is good for this year

but long term i see us having a need still. mcgee and florence are smart good players. However, most of our DBs have been a little smaller and slower and now we need bigger and faster. mckelvin may not be durable enough to play nickel. and i believe mcgee can cut it, but he isn’t gaining speed as he gains age. i am older than T- Mac, so i am not calling him old i am simply saying… you get older you get slower, not faster.

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by Ren Diggity on May 10, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Poz

Also, I had been down on Posluszny throughout his career too until he put together a really nice stretch of football in the middle part of last season. I’m by no means sold on him yet, but I think he showed something last year that suggests there’s a chance the light came on in time. We’ll see.

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by Port Royal on May 10, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree about Poz

I don’t think he’s a great LB, but he’s becoming a pretty good one. I was never impressed with him, and agree with you that his fine play last year really elevated my opinion of him. He can still be better (I hope), but I’m not convinced the move to the 3-4 will help him. We really have to hope Andra Davis is capable of allowing Poz to really avoid the traffic that’s he’s struggled with throughout his career. If he can play off of Davis’ strengths, while building off of last year, I think we can have a very good ILB.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 10, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that Poz is not a future HOF candidate. But he does have significant experience now, and as long as he does not break his 3rd forearm this year, I think we will see a lot of big plays out of him. He is a 3-down player.

"A failure becomes just one time at bat if you refuse to let it defeat you." Marv Levy.

by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on May 10, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha, two words
Also, since when is safety a non-impact position?

When the two words are “Donte” and “Whitner”!!!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 10, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd say he's the poster boy of the Levy/Jauron draft ineptitude

Or at least draft failures….The tag team duo of him and Whitner that year epitomize everything that those decision makers were unable to accomplish in the draft.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 10, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

what a sad waste...........

but undeniably typical of the last ten years of my life as a Bills fan……

"If we can put four quarters together, that's the objective. Let's see how somebody else feels playing from behind." (TWCS)

by norcaliangelsfan on May 10, 2010 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Wait a minute...

This guy played fullback in high school? Now I’m not so sure I want to run him out of town. He could probably lay some pretty good bone-crushing blocks as a FB.

I think we just found our lead blocker on 3rd-and-short.

I hope Chan gives McCargo a shot there. Why not? What does he have to lose by giving it a try? Hey, the George Wilson thing has worked out pretty well.

And with the 9th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft, the Buffalo Bills select...C.J.Spiller?

by Blitz on May 10, 2010 2:56 PM EDT reply actions  

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