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State of the Bills Roster: Quarterback

Quick: when was the last time a Buffalo Bills quarterback passed for 300 yards in a single game? If you've heard that trivia question before, you're probably already aware that the answer is November 19, 2006. In that Week 11 victory over the Houston Texans, J.P. Losman threw for 340 yards and three touchdowns - including the decisive points late in the fourth quarter - in a 24-21 victory.

Fast math indicates that the Bills have since gone 54 straight games without featuring a 300-yard passer. That statistic alone speaks more to the mediocrity of the quarterback position in Buffalo than any other.

On the surface, nothing has changed at quarterback since GM Buddy Nix and head coach Chan Gailey took over the reigns of the franchise in January. The team's three employed quarterbacks from a year ago - Trent Edwards, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Brian Brohm - are still on the roster. The team bypassed selecting a signal-caller in the early rounds of the 2010 NFL Draft, instead electing to add Troy's Levi Brown in the seventh round. Buffalo's got its four quarterbacks, and appears ready to roll at the position heading into the summer months. Our State of the Bills Roster series begins with this group after the jump.

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Positional Responsibilities
This is a feature that we'll add to the State of the Roster template, and obviously, it'll hold a little more utility once we get to positions other than this one. Given the nature of the talent the Bills have stockpiled at quarterback - that is, young, highly unproven talent - Buffalo's quarterback, whoever it ends up being, looks like he'll be a game manager in 2010. Look for lots of short, controlled passes, only occasional deep shots, and a huge emphasis on eliminating mistakes from whichever quarterback emerges as the starter. It'd also be nice if, for once, a quarterback - any quarterback - took a position of leadership with this club.

Personnel Breakdown
Don't read anything into the order in which players appear below - they appear based purely on level of NFL game experience, and nothing more.

5 - Trent Edwards. Yes, believe it or not, in terms of pure game experience, Edwards is Buffalo's most seasoned signal-caller. After a promising start to his 2009 season (64% completions, 442 yards, 4 TD, 1 INT in two games), Edwards again buckled under pressure - literally and figuratively - imploding over the team's next three games, getting injured, and eventually getting benched in favor of Fitzpatrick. He appeared in just eight games in 2009. Aside from his notorious nickname(s) and decision-making tendencies, the biggest question mark surrounding Edwards is his durability. No longer the most naturally talented quarterback on Buffalo's roster, Edwards will rely on his intelligence and - gasp - his experience in trying to win back his starting job.

14 - Ryan Fitzpatrick. In just one season with the Bills, Fitzpatrick has proven his value (the team was 5-4 in games in which he took the majority of snaps) and his areas of concern (55.9% accuracy, 13 turnovers, erratic decision-making) multiple times over. Fitzpatrick is the ideal backup quarterback - not consistent or talented enough to lead a franchise, but intelligent, willing to take a risk, and just athletic enough to get you by. That won/lost record detailed above is Fitzpatrick's wild card as he goes all in in this quarterback derby.

4 - Brian Brohm. Acquired last November, Brohm was pressed into action in one game in 2009 - and that's his lone NFL in-game appearance to date. One of the 2008 NFL Draft's most highly-touted quarterback prospects, Brohm was a second-round pick of Green Bay, where he promptly flamed out as he struggled to assimilate to the NFL work week and pick up Green Bay's complex offense. Possessing tremendous physical gifts, pure, unabashed potential is Brohm's most powerful trump card. Unlike the two more experienced players listed before him, Brohm enters 2010 training camp as a prospect that Gailey can quite literally start from scratch with.

10 - Levi Brown. Though he's just a rookie seventh-round draft pick, Brown already has a leg up on the rest of Buffalo's quarterbacks in that he was definitively acquired by new Bills management. Technically, Brown must polish his throwing mechanics, and mentally, he must adjust from a college spread offense to an NFL offense. Physically, Brown's got a lot of the qualities that you look for in NFL quarterbacks, including solid decision-making, adequate arm strength and accuracy, and something of a flair for the dramatic. He's a project player through and through, and it says a lot that there's still an outside shot that Brown could see playing time as a rookie.

Contract Situations
Buffalo's got two quarterbacks in the final year of their respective deals, and two more who are (or eventually will be) tied up for multiple seasons. Edwards is entering the final year of the four-year deal he signed as a 2007 third-round pick; he'll make $550K next season. Brohm signed a two-year deal last November, and this will be the last and most decisive year of his current contract. Fitzpatrick signed a three-year free agent deal with the Bills in February of 2009, and has two years remaining on that deal - valued at $5.1 million in total. Brown's salary won't be known, but it's a virtual certainty that he'll sign a four-year deal sometime in July.

2010 Forecast
It's impossible to predict this early who will emerge victorious in Buffalo's quarterback competition. The least likely player to win, Brown, is also the most likely to be on the opening-day roster, as the team would be foolish to stash him on the practice squad for a year and therefore make him available to the rest of the league.

Fitzpatrick's situation is easily the most volatile. As it stands right now, he is probably the Bills' most proven signal-caller, but he's also the oldest (though at 27, that's not saying a lot) and by far the most expensive. He has as good a shot as anyone at winning the quarterback competition - but if he loses, and if the younger guys flash enough potential, Fitzpatrick's odds of making the final roster plummet considerably.

That's why Edwards and Brohm are certain to be the two players most closely scrutinized not just by fans, but by Bills coaches, as well. The team would love to have one or both of those guys outperform Fitzpatrick during the pre-season to go young and cheap - as opposed to young and cheap with one major exception - at this position. Some league insiders believe Edwards v. Brohm is the "real" Bills quarterback competition, and while I'm not completely inclined to believe that, those are clearly the two guys that the team is hoping emerge.

My Prediction
There are a few scenarios that could play out here, but the most likely, to me, is that the team doesn't see what it likes out of Brohm (a player I'm not nearly as high on as many of you are). Edwards or Fitzpatrick is named the starter, the non-starter becomes the backup, Brohm is released, and Brown serves the year as the third-string quarterback. That's my prediction - and if Brohm proves himself a viable starter and renders my prediction inaccurate, I will be absolutely elated.

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This sums up the situation so very nicely.......that I'm adding it again.
It’d also be nice if, for once, a quarterback – any quarterback – took a position of leadership with this club.

And I’ll add a very nice………..“PLEASE” to it as well.

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by norcaliangelsfan on May 10, 2010 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed. This seems to be the department Brohm is most lacking in, IMO. He just doesn’t seem to care. Granted, how he carries himself in an interview and amongst him teammates can be two totally different things, but I’m not sold on his leadership qualities one bit and there’s no evidence out there to contradict my impression.

by Leo Crow on May 10, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Now this is something I was not aware of. Is there something concrete you are basing this on, or just a gut feeling. The reason I ask is because as Brian states above, I also feel Brohm has the most to bring to the table if he can get his act together. I’m really pulling for him, but if he has leadership isssues, that changes things quite a bit…

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by billskk69 on May 10, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

About FitzPatrick
and just athletic enough to get you by.

IMO he’s far and away the most athletic QB on the roster.

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on May 10, 2010 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Edwards is pretty athletic

Brown has some athleticism too. I wouldn’t say Fitzpatrick is far and away the most athletic. None of these guys are overly athletic to begin with, and I definitely don’t see one much more than any of the others….

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by Kurupt on May 10, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

It seemed that

Fitz was better than the other 2 at getting out of the pocket, and picking up some yards with his legs to me.

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on May 10, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

and running for extremely long TD's...........

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by norcaliangelsfan on May 10, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if it wasn’t because he was just more willing to run.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on May 11, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Athletic

Just another descriptive of someone who can’t throw or manage a game.

by FergusonQB12 on May 10, 2010 8:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

In this case, yes. In all cases, no.

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by Brian Galliford on May 11, 2010 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

No

Trent Edwards can do neither, yet I don’t think he’s athletic. Nice try, sarcasm fail.

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on May 11, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just dont see Chix and Co. going with Fitzy as starter. Like you said hes the ideal backup QB. And with that being said, I also dont see Edwards being a backup, if Fitz were to win the job. I know Ive said it before, but this being a State of the Bills: QB Edition I just think its going to go down as:
Starter – Brohm/Edwards
Backup – Fitz
3rd String – Brown

With the loser of the #1 job being cut. But I just want someone to come out and WIN the job, show maturity and leadership and get this team back to respectablity. Dont care who it is… but thats just how I see the QB spot going down in Buffalo.

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by bflo on May 10, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed....and I would add

Fitz has value as the vet QB. He can mentor Brohm and Brown.

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by Joe P. on May 10, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think fitz will be cut

thats my prediction. he doesnt bring that much more than either edwards or brohm. but if brohm fails (which there is a very good chance of happening) then he will get cut. i just think brohm makes some strides and sticks around…

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by silverstreak3k on May 10, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not so sure

Edwards contract is up after this year…..how good would Edwards have to play to get an extension? Also, what are the odds of Edwards making through the season with our current Oline? So, if we cut Fitz and Edwards get hurt…..who ya got? I think Chan is hoping Brohm wins the job so he can cut Edwards. Fitz is the backup, and Brown as the 3rd stringer.

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by Joe P. on May 10, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure why you’re singling out Brohm above Edwards there, Joe – Brohm’s contract is up after this year, too.

I don’t think it’s any secret that the team would like to see BOTH Brohm and Edwards play well so that they can keep those two and Brown, cut Fitzpatrick, and go young and cheap across the board. Fitzpatrick screams Plan B to me.

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by Brian Galliford on May 10, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fitzpatrick screams Plan B to me.

Wouldnt Plan B be a backup job then? With Brohm/Edwards being plan A? I understand wanting to go young across the board. But teams rarely have three very young QB’s.

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by bflo on May 10, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trent Edwards is not very young. Again – Trent Edwards is the most experienced QB on the roster. He’ll also be 27 this year; he’s literally only one year younger than Fitzpatrick.

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by Brian Galliford on May 10, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

In understand that… But mentally I dont think Fitz and Edwards are anywhere close to the same. Fitz just seems like that “wiley old vet” only being 28 years old… Hes the type of guy you want as your backup, like you said, hes ideal.

Edwards and Brohm are both “starters.” I dont see Edwards or Brohm ever being a good backup in this league. They doesnt have that mentality. Like starters and relievers in baseball. Where they could both be awesome pitchers… their (starters/relievers – starter/backup) minds are different…

Thats the reason I dont see OBD hanging on to both Edwards and Brohm. Like you said, Brown probably has the 3rd string job locked up… Fitz would be the backup… and that leaves one spot (Starter) for Brohm and Edwards to compete for.

And if Edwards and Brohm BOTH compete well… wouldnt you think they would look to trade the one they arent going to go with? I mean theyre going to have to make a decision on the starter for week 1. Say its Edwards… meaning Brohm isnt your starter, not drafted by the current staff, wouldnt you let him go via trade or cut? Or vice versa?

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by bflo on May 10, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats the reason I dont see OBD hanging on to both Edwards and Brohm.

Well, I don’t see it either, obviously, I just don’t think it’ll have anything to do with mindsets. Buffalo’s goal shouldn’t be to build a stable at quarterback – they’re re-building. Their goal should be to find the next franchise quarterback. If both Edwards and Brohm impress them enough to keep them, then you keep both of them along with Brown and jettison the guy whose ceiling puts him below starter level (and also has the highest price tag).

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by Brian Galliford on May 10, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I dont necessarily disagree with that… I just dont like the idea of Edwards or Brohm losing the starting job and then being the backup. The backup QB is supossed to be someone that the starter can rely on… someone that will be there for the starter and points things out for him that he can see on the sidelines or that coaches are talking about… heck some of them even call in the plays to the starter…

My point is I just dont see Edwards “being there” for Brohm if he beats him out. Or other way around… Where Fitzy would be.

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by bflo on May 10, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

The backup QB is supossed to be someone that the starter can rely on… someone that will be there for the starter and points things out for him that he can see on the sidelines or that coaches are talking about… heck some of them even call in the plays to the starter…

That’s a pretty warm and fuzzy assessment of a backup quarterback. Just give me the best three quarterbacks you can find.

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by Brian Galliford on May 10, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha. Idk I guess we view the backup job a little differently. Nothing wrong with that. I just see our backup spot on the team as someone, like I said… that can help the starter out. Thats all…

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by bflo on May 10, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice spirited debate… Thats why I come back here everyday lol.

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by bflo on May 10, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to side with Brian here.......

5 mil dollars over 2 years seems a tad high to be paying your backup QB when you’re paying the “starter” a lil over half a mil….(assuming Brohm is making as much or even less than that as well)

So I think unless Fitzpatrick WINS the starting job……he will be given his walking papers…….it just makes the most sense economically and sensibly IMO.

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by norcaliangelsfan on May 10, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I think unless Fitzpatrick WINS the starting job……he will be given his walking papers…….it just makes the most sense economically and sensibly IMO.

That’s not really what I’m saying, though. I’m saying it will take unusually strong pre-season performances from BOTH Edwards and Brohm to get Fitzpatrick off the roster. Obviously, by my prediction, I don’t see that happening.

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by Brian Galliford on May 10, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

well IIRC you think Fitzpatrick is the best we got right now.....

which i will assume means you think he will win the job this summer.

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by norcaliangelsfan on May 10, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

and keep in mind I saw think........

not “want” because I dont believe that they are one in the same.

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by norcaliangelsfan on May 10, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

*say*

crud

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by norcaliangelsfan on May 10, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like his chances just as much as anyone else’s.

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by Brian Galliford on May 10, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you practicing to be a politician?

because you’re pretty good at the whole (non-answer) answer…

You’d have my vote though.

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by norcaliangelsfan on May 10, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Politics ain’t my thing.

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by Brian Galliford on May 10, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure as heck seems like it around here :-)

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by norcaliangelsfan on May 10, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

plus

arguably brohm and edwards ceiling is much higher than fitzy. fitzy has probably already peaked, so no point in keeping him if brohm and edwards out preform him (of even preform equally with him)

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by silverstreak3k on May 10, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is the ceiling for Edwards higher than for Fitzpatrick at this point? Edwards has had a significantly more playing time in his career than Fitzpatrick and with both given less than ideal conditions for last year in Buffalo, Fitzpatrick was the better player. I’d even argue that Edwards had slightly better personnel around him before the injury epidemic took full throttle. I don’t recall Edwards playing behind Andre Ramsey or throwing to Joe Klopfenstein and Jonathan Stupar.

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by Port Royal on May 10, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

The difference in playing time b/w Edwards and Fitzpatrick is NOT significant. But your point remains valid nonetheless.

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by Brian Galliford on May 10, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

fitz has played in 28 games

TE has played in 32. i think saying edwards has had significantly more playing experience is pushing it.

comparing the two, edwards beat out fitzy in every significant statistical category.

edwards is seen as a guy with a lot of talent that (for some reason) can get over some serious mental hurdles in order to take his game to the next level. fitzy is seen as having a pretty good head and willing to take those chances, just without the over-all talent TE has. i dont think i have ever heard the thought that fitzy is the more talented of the two qbs

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by silverstreak3k on May 10, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would imagine that Edwards has had somewhere between 8-10 more starts than Fitzpatrick which I believe is somewhat significant if we’re talking vague quantities like “ceiling”. Edwards has more or less been Buffalo’s #1 guy for three seasons. Fitzpatrick has never entered a season as a starter. Not that there’s much of ceiling for either, but Fitzpatrick is slightly more of an unknown at this point.

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by Port Royal on May 10, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trent has 30 starts

Fitz 23

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by Kurupt on May 10, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fitz has definitely proven that he can scrape together wins with a rag-tag group of people.....

his last month with the Bengals and then last year……of course if you’re counting on him for a whole season…..I doubt you’re gonna be too excited with the end result…..which is why he’s an ideal backup for a team.

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by norcaliangelsfan on May 10, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

but if either brohm or TE

are better than fitzy, wouldnt you want them as the backup?

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by silverstreak3k on May 10, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

well I kinda made my point above....

about how I feel like if Fitz doesnt win the job outright…..he IMO is the one that will go….based on money issues…..

but of course…..I dont know anything about anything…..

and I can totally see the loser of the Brohm/Edwards competition as the one who goes bye bye instead.

So in summary…….whatever happens…….happens….and I wont be shocked by much of anything (and that includes Levi Brown winning the job too!)

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by norcaliangelsfan on May 10, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

i def would not be shocked not matter what either

its such a crapshoot. i think the battle for roster spot will be between brohm/fitz.

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by silverstreak3k on May 10, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think its possible here

that Fitzy is the better QB scrambling behind a bad O-line than Edwards, but Edwards is the better QB when he has the time to go through his progressions. That being said the higher ceiling goes to Edwards.

by jbbillfan on May 10, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

that would be the most idiotic thing ever........

no one should ever keep 4 QBs on their active roster……..unless his name is Jon Gruden…….

And where is he coaching again this year?

Oh yeah……thats right…..

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by norcaliangelsfan on May 10, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

bill parcells has 4 broncos have 4 browns have 4 jets have 4

its not common but teams do have 4 and i see us if we make a trade with the ravens sending them a corner and cutting 2 tackles

I've never met a QB who can throw off his back

by Gpluehri on May 10, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

they will not go into the season with 4 on the 53 man roster........

I guarantee it.

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by norcaliangelsfan on May 10, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think it’s the most idiotic thing ever. The Bills kept Demetrius Bell on the roster two years ago and he never was active. You can only put 45 on the field on game day anyways so having a few guys who aren’t going to see the field isn’t all bad – unless you have 12 guys on injured reserve. :-)

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by MattRichWarren on May 11, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because franchises are not built on hope, friend.

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by Brian Galliford on May 10, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wanting Brohm to do something and Brohm actually accomplishing said something are two completely different animals, and as it takes time for Brohm to accomplish the said something, releasing Edwards now would be an exercise in immense stupidity.

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by Brian Galliford on May 10, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chan may want Brohm (I was giving gut feeling) but that doesn

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by Joe P. on May 10, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

oppps...guess it doesn't matter..Brain made the point for me

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by Joe P. on May 10, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

all i can say is edwards is getting a 300 yard game and 4000 yards passing 40 tds and 0 ints

from all the dump offs to spiller we will be doing

I've never met a QB who can throw off his back

by Gpluehri on May 10, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

no

because there’s no point in cutting anyone now. who’s to say (not that i really believe it) trent won’t break out this season and run with this opportunity? maybe gailey would like brohm to win, but he’ll take the best player.

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by Adam_K on May 11, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brian

What don’t you like about Brohm? Just curious for your point of view. I loved him in college, and actually think he has a good chance at being a Matt Hasselbeck type pro. I see a strong enough arm, a nice tight spiral, and in college I saw the ability to make quick decisions at the line and with hot routes. He is a coaches son and sounds like he loves football. Also an added bonus Eric Woods said that he was a great leader and a great pick up last year ( I cannot find that article now).

by The Irishman on May 10, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I recall Wood saying that. I also recall smirking at a guy sticking up for a guy he played ball with for four years. Don’t read too much into that.

If Brohm gets it mentally, he’ll be good. That’s a rather massive “if,” and my biggest beef with Brohm. I’m not condemning him, I’m just not going to blindly hope that he goes out and wins the thing. I also don’t think he’s as good as advertised potential-wise.

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by Brian Galliford on May 10, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tend to agree

on the fact that Wood is going to stick up for his teammate. As far as his physical skills, I have no delusions that he is Cutler or Joe Flacco with arm strength. I compare him more so to a Matt Ryan. I think the biggest difference is Matt Ryan is a great field general. Brohm was accurate in college. The one thing I do like with Brohm is that he seemed (in college at least) to be able to anticipate receivers coming open. His mental side I just cannot judge with so little pro time.

by The Irishman on May 10, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I see Fitz as a, not role model in the sense of “I want to be like him as a player”, but someone that the younger QB’s (Brohm and Brown) can look up to and come to if they need help.

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by bflo on May 10, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure Gailey would agree with that. He’s not really the vet QB, as is explained in the article. He’s been around for a while, but so has Gibran Hamdan.

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by Brian Galliford on May 10, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fitz backed up Palmer, right? That is as close as we can get as far as a positive role model for our QBs.

Edwards has more starts, but Fitz has been in the league longer.

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by Joe P. on May 10, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's if you think Palmer is anything special....

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by Kurupt on May 10, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

more special then anything we have.

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by norcaliangelsfan on May 10, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jon Kitna is widely regarded as the backup QB that helped bring Palmer along. Fitzpatrick backed him up for one season (an up-and-down ’07 season for Palmer), and then played most of the ’08 season in place of the injured Palmer.

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by Brian Galliford on May 10, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was not trying to give Fitz credit for Palmer's success...just pointing out that Fitz

is the only QB on the roster who as been in a position to learn from a successful NFL QB for any length of time.

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by Joe P. on May 10, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure why that would factor into the decision. All that matters is whether or not the guy can play, right?

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by Brian Galliford on May 10, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, if he is the starter.....ideally, your back up QB holds a clip board and helps the starting QB prepare

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by Joe P. on May 10, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still don’t get that argument. I don’t want a hand-holder anywhere on my roster.

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by Brian Galliford on May 11, 2010 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess for me, the talent level of each as a starter is basically a wash....so that removes it from the equation

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by Joe P. on May 11, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Those guys are assistant quality control coaches. LOL Watch film, get his blankey, etc.

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by MattRichWarren on May 11, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’re just bitter that Hamdan was on the roster for so long.

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by WhyBillsWhy on May 13, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

How does Fitz have more value as a VET than Edwards??

Hes got less game experience than Edwards. Its not like this is Edwards 1st or 2nd year in the league, this will be his 4th season, how many years you gotta play before you can be called a VET?? And why cant Brohm be a back-up if he out performs Fitz but doesnt beat Edwards?? Its not like he will be taking a demotion. I see the offense this year looking much like the Dolphins did with Jay Feidler, alot of ground and pound with alot of short high percentage pass plays, with the occasional shot down field, and I dont see Fitz fitting that mold. You need an efficient QB, Fitz with the exception of Brown, is probably the least efficient QB on the roster, low completion% and not very accurate at all. Regardless if its as a starter or backup, I just dont see Fitz fitting in in this offense. But I could be wrong.

by Baggz on May 10, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stats don't tell the whole story. Edwards did a huge swan dive last season.

Bottom line….Fitz was the better QB by the end of last season. Fitz has been in the league longer, that that gives him more NFL experience….not starting experience, but experience preparing during the preseason and for each game. Also, Fitz’s style seems better suited to how Gailey likes his QBs to play….specifically…. throwing on the run, an ability Chan seems to look for in a QB. I think Fitz would be better at teaching the youngins what Chan wants them to do. But I could be wrong ;-)

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by Joe P. on May 10, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was that last 300 yard game the game where Evans had two – 83 yard TD’s in the 1st quarter and Price had a b-e-a-utiful stretch TD catch, dragging his feet in the back of the endzone?

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by bflo on May 10, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree Fitz addes value as backupk up. Either Edwards or Brohme get cut other becomes starter.Would love to see one of these 2 shine but I believe QB is next years priority while the basics -D Oline Running and how to eliminate theinjury prone mentality of this team are this years focus.

by rowlet on May 10, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The least likely player to win, Brown, is also the most likely to be on the opening-day roster, as the team would be foolish to stash him on the practice squad for a year and therefore make him available to the rest of the league.

regarding a 7th round pick? Unless there’s something about brown we really don’t know (that a year on the bench is going to make him the next peyton manning), are you really going to use a roster spot on a late round qb?

by quantumuprising on May 10, 2010 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Well

It depends on how OBD views him. If he’s there QB of the future, then you absolutely keep him on the roster. If there undecided you try to sneak him through waivers, and stash him on the PS.

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on May 10, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because hes a Chix draft pick. Hes the only one of the 4 that is. He will stick around because Gailey thinks he has something to build with him… a work in project. But Brians right… where he will not (most likely) win the job… hes got the safest bet to be a Bill week 1.

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by bflo on May 10, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Couldn’t Brown just be a guaranteed practice squad player, it is not like another team is likely to pick him up, he could develop and if he comes along speedily he could be promoted.

by tkiller314 on May 12, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forget about the round label. He is now Nix and Gailey’s pet project. That fact alone means that they will use a roster spot on him, because they had a higher round-grade than 7 on him, and they won’t take the chance that someone else snaps him up.

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by Brian Galliford on May 10, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Edwards starts or is traded/released. While Fitz is more expensive, he is more durable, athletic, dependable, and most importantly would be a better teacher to the younger QB’s. Fitz definitely is a lot nicer guy with less arrogance than Trent. I could see Fitz excepting his backup role and trying to help these younger guys for the good of the team, way before Trent.

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by Sluss88 on May 10, 2010 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Fitz definitely is a lot nicer guy with less arrogance than Trent.

I sincerely hope you know both of these men, making a claim like that…

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by Brian Galliford on May 10, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes, I do, intimately...j/k

No, you can tell a lot about them from hearing them speak as well as their body language in their press conferences. Trent always is arrogant and shrugs his shoulders… You don’t agree with my assessment?

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by Sluss88 on May 10, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont see arrogance at all. Whenever he’s interviewed he looks kinda scared of the reporter to me. He throws that big smile on to distract you from the fact that he is timid.

And if you want to learn a lot from a way a player carries himself or his body language. Look no further than the turf my friend. Look at the confident guys on the football field and tell me they dont exude confidence in the way the carry about. For instance, Philip Rivers. This dude is confident/arrogant as all get out, and you can see it on the field. Also note; Eli Manning. Here is a guy that couldn’t look more uncomfortable wearing shoulderpads. And he is a shy timid kinda guy.

Granted they both are awesome, but that is besides the point.

by BillsfanDan on May 10, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really, no. Trent’s probably more easily flustered/frustrated, but that does not equate to arrogance.

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by Brian Galliford on May 10, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll agree with the frustrated comment, but I still don’t think he’d take the demotion to backup for a younger QB as well as Fitz would.

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by Sluss88 on May 10, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have absolutely no idea why a player’s feelings would factor into that type of decision. Again: just keep the three best players.

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by Brian Galliford on May 10, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish

Trent had some arrogance about himself. He needs to be confident in himself and in his play if he is going to try and lead this team. I think we have seen enough of Fitz to realize that he is expendable, not to mention he isnt exactly the canidate i would like to see mentor young qb’s coming in.

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by Superduff on May 10, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fitz is a lock to make to team to me

He should never be the plan to start, but he can do it for a while if needed. He’s a veteran who only augments the team. In that capacity he is much better than Edwards and Brohm.

And Levi Brown CAN be cut immediately. It’s not likely, but CJ Ah You was a 7th round draft pick and he was cut.

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by Dyl on May 10, 2010 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

CJ Ah You wasn’t a quarterback.

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by Brian Galliford on May 10, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tyler Thippen is one example that comes to mind of a 7th round pick that got cut with intention of being placed on the PS, but was claimed by another team. Derek Anderson is another.

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by kaisertown on May 10, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many games has it been for Edwards?

Here’s another pop quiz; When was the last time Trent Edwards threw for over 300 yards in a game? October 15, 2005. It was the first and only time Edwards passed for over 300 yards during his college career. Hey, he’s got a real streak going on here!

by PDQBernie on May 10, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure how that relates to the 7th-round discussion…

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by Brian Galliford on May 10, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure how being a QB does either, without any other argument...

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by Dyl on May 10, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

well considering we have as wide open a competition you can have at QB.......

and we didnt at DE when Ah You was drafted…………

I would say Brown has a much much better chance of sticking around then Ah You did

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by norcaliangelsfan on May 10, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Granted

that makes sense. I just think it’s important not to dismiss the possibility it could happen.

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by Dyl on May 10, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

You dont see how being a QB relates to State of the Bills Roster: Quarterback?

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by bflo on May 10, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not exactly. I don’t see how merely being a QB related to the discussion of whether or not a 7th round player would stick around.

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by Dyl on May 10, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could you clarify?

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by Dyl on May 10, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teams typically keep 3 QBs on a roster, and depending on scheme, anywhere between 4 DEs (4-3) or 6ish OLBs (3-4).

If you’re drafting a quarterback in any round in the first year of a new regime, chances are high that that QB will be on the roster, and that the regime likes that guy. I think that’s particularly relevant here considering what we have at QB and what the team passed up in favor of Brown.

If you like a guy, you don’t risk the chance that somebody else likes him and snaps him off your practice squad. It’s just dumb. And before someone brings up the Green Bay/Brohm situation, that’s mightily different, given the fact that Aaron Rodgers is an excellent player.

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by Brian Galliford on May 10, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, that's all I was asking.

It seemed a little short before.

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by Dyl on May 10, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, my fault. :)

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by Brian Galliford on May 10, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

and also given the fact that they must have like Flynn more over Brohm......

because teams know the risk when they cut players/put them on the PS.

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by norcaliangelsfan on May 10, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have this weird gut feeling that

Brown shows something during the camps and ends up getting significant playing time this year. I have no factual basis or inside information, I just have this feeling. If not, hopefully Trent & Brohm make it an interesting camp & preseason. I agree totally that this year our QB will be a game manager instead of the pillar of our offense. I’m good with that and if Brown does something to warrant that type of position, have at it….. if not, the other two are certainly capable of merely managing a game, not trying to win it on their QB prowess.

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by Jax Bills Fan on May 10, 2010 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

By “gut feeling”, you mean you’ve watched the other quarterbacks play and know that they’re inept?

by Jeff Winters on May 10, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Ryan Fitzpatrick will emerge as the starter

Brian Brohm was alread picked off a ton in voluntary mini camp for players with three years of experience or less, what kind of impression is he going to make when everyone else shows up? That said, I do think Gailey likes Brohms attitude going into this off-season and will see enough youth and developmental potential to keep Brohm around as the backup.

Gailey will be examining all these QBs very closely and I won’t be shocked if he doesn’t like what he sees from Trent Edwards in terms of decision making, anticipation and making the right reads. Gailey is known for getting the most out of QBs, maximizing their returns, and I can’t imagine him wasting time by handing a starting job to a guy like Brohm or Edwards if he doesnt think he can get what he wants from them, youth and salary simply will not trump that to a guy like Gailey.

So, if Gailey decides that Edwards and Brohm aren’t the guys he can move forward with this offense with, I think he will instead go the route of letting Fitzpatrick caretaker his offense. Fitzpatrick provides the most short term stability, leadership, and coachability for Gailey. Why take time with the pains of a young developing guy like Edwards or Brohm if you dont think they can cut it anyway?

I wouldnt be surpised if the depth chart finished as Fitzpatrick / Brohm / Brown with Edwards getting cut. I think to a new coaching regime a QB who lost the team last year the way Trent did will have to have a really, really outstanding camp to grab the starting job.

I can foresee a Chad Pennington / Chad Henne QB approach eventually emerging in Buffalo with Fitzpatrick playing the role of Pennington and a yet to be drafted or Brian Brohm if he shows enough playing the part of Chad Henne. Fitz starting for a year, year and a half before falling back into the role of reliable, veteran backup that Gailey can trust to run his offense for a stretch of games because he started in it.

Thats just me though.

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by poz on May 10, 2010 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Why take time with the pains of a young developing guy like Edwards or Brohm

i wouldnt call edwards “young” hes only a year behind fitz and has more experience. i think TE is our qb this year, and will have better success than past years. it all depends on whether they think brohm is worth it to keep. i think the tru qb battle will be between brohm and fitz for a roster spot….

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by silverstreak3k on May 10, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

fair distinction

about Edwards. He may not be young but I do still think hes developing. I just think Fitzpatrick provides the stability a new regime without a franchise QB would be looking for to caretake until they could get their own guy and eventually slide that stability to the position on an NFL team where stability is perhaps the most crucial quality – back up QB.

I think if Edwards is going to stick hes going to have to prove to Gailey that he is willing to take shots downfield when the pads are on and everyone is moving at a true game speed – a test of whether he’ll go downfield with courage when the game is on not just during practice. Because of this I won’t be shocked if Edwards gets a lot of preseason starts to play in the early going when players are trying and if Gailey calls a good amount of playactions and medium to deep routes on passing plays to get a definitive grade on whether Edwards can ever be the guy who can take advantage of what a Gailey running game will open up downfield in the passing game. Im just not so sure Edwards can do that anymore.

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by poz on May 10, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do you mean by caretake??

What has Fitz done in his career that says he can be a stable QB in this league?? Hes played 5 seasons to Edwards 3 seasons, has less game experience, a 21-27 td/int, compared to Edwards 24/25 td/int. Hes spiratic, try’s way to hard to force the ball. Fitz’z best season he finished with a QB rating of 70, which matches Edwards worst season, which was last year. If Fitz starts for the next year – year and a half this team has no chance, Fitz isnt going to get any better. If Gailey, doesnt think hes got a QB on this team that can be a franchise QB, hes going to go with the best game manager, and thats far from being Fitz, he takes too many risks.

Fitz has 27 ints in just 29 games, doesnt sound like a caretake to me. Edwards numbers are not that much better, but they are better, and hes atleast shown some brilliance in his game. I know its frustrating and Im sure everyone here doesnt care who the QB is as long as he shows some compitance at the position, I just think Fitz is too much of a risk factor when it comes to taking care of the ball.

I truly believe that Edwards faults in the past have been because of horrible coaching, game planning, and play calling. oh yeah lets not forget horrible pass protection. With that being said about the pass protection, I do believe our line has the potential to be good, we basically had 4 rookies and 1 1st year starter on our o-line. Lets see what they can do with a year of game experience under there belt. what other choice do we have at this point.

by Baggz on May 10, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

look, I like Trent

I really do. But you can’t let a guy who completely lost the locker room last season be a caretaker of a team. The point of a caretaker is to have a guy in place that you know what your getting with and who can help the team learn a system, win some games, and develop an identity without getting in the way while you wait for the QB you eventually want to inherit a system and a roster as its captain. Trent lost confidence in himself and the team lost confidence in him. Having a guy like that at the helm will only hamper a young team coming together as opposed to a guy like Fitz who won more games last year and the offense got behind. I’m not saying Fitz is a better QB, I’m not saying Fitz is a better player, I’m just saying Edwards is not Buffalo’s QB going into this year unless he blows Gailey’s socks off in training camp. If they name Edwards the starter I’m going to assume thats the case and get behind him. I just dont think he can play that well in training camp and thus I don’t expect Gailey to put a guy out there who the team viewed as a captain they couldn’t get behind last season.

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by poz on May 10, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahahahahah

i hate QB carousels

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by poz on May 10, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know you secretly love them ;-)

Shoot we’ve had them just about every year since ’96 haha.

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by bflo on May 10, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha

so are you telling me that we as Bills fans are basically like the character from Shawshank Redemption who desperately wants to be let back into prison after hes finally released in his older age? We’re so used to QB carousels that we actually like them now, we’re comfortable with it!

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by poz on May 10, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha not was I originally thinking… But yes, you nailed that on the head. Poor fans, we never had a chance… lol

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by bflo on May 10, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahaha

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by poz on May 10, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL. I rec’d the crap out of that.

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by Brian Galliford on May 10, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice compilation

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by Kurupt on May 10, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously

with the crop of qbs the bills have, how are you not gonna have a thread like that? good to see everyone on the same page

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by silverstreak3k on May 10, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

awesome

rec’d

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by norcaliangelsfan on May 10, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha nicely played. That is great.

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by bflo on May 10, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Genius!

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by Superduff on May 10, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's fun to note the rainbow of opinions out there

but it’s easy when you didn’t take a position. What’s your theory, since apparently everything else is laughable?

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by Dyl on May 10, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly - just a little "good-natured" (get it?) fun on a Monday

the point of which is there are as many opinions as posters! Ultimately, CHIX’ opinion is the only one that counts, and my position is to sit back and let them earn (or not) their keep.

We will most likely address that in a subsequent “CHIX approval poll” come August/September.

You have to admit, the status of the team over the last several years has been, well, laughable. What’s one more laughable post?

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by fansince60 on May 10, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

My guess is that Ryan Fitzpatrick is the best QB on the Bills’ roster. In my opinion, Ryan Fitzpatrick makes for a slightly below average backup. That about sums my feelings on the QB cupboard in Buffalo. Here’s hoping that Brian Brohm or Levi Brown is actually the greatest diamond in the rough since Kurt Warner. As poor as those odds are, it’s the only hope Buffalo has.

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by Port Royal on May 10, 2010 2:40 PM EDT reply actions  

In the grand scheme of things

I really hope none of this matters. Our discussions of QB’s this year will hopefully be limited to this year, and this year only. Next year, this team better be starting fresh with a potential franchise guy.

Anyways….I think there are a lot of variables that come into play in trying to figure out who makes the team, and who starts/plays this season.

I believe Edwards will be given one final shot as the lead guy. I think he’ll have first crack, but it won’t be a significant difference from the others. Brohm will also be given plenty of opportunities to win the job and prove himself capable. I think the staff, and everybody here, knows exactly what Fitz can do and what he can give this team. He’s a mediocre backup that can play if necessary, but shouldn’t really be a major contender for the starting job, IMO. The other two should be given the chance to sink or swim, and if/when they fail, Fitz will be there to step in and lead this team not very far. I happen to think he’s a Plan C, and is likely to be on the roster unless both Edwards and Brohm really play well this summer.

I think the starting job will come down to Edwards vs Brohm and whoever plays better this preseason. I think both will be given “starter’s snaps” during the games, with the winner taking the job and the loser taking his pink slip. If both stink it up, Fitz will be the starter, and I’d guess Brohm might get the chance to stick on the roster.

The biggest variable is obviously Edwards. If he plays reasonably well through the summer, he’ll be on the team and likely the starter. If he stinks it up, I don’t see how he will end up making the final roster. Brohm is in a very similar position, though might have a little more leeway in terms of making the final roster because of his inexperience and slightly better potential.

My prediction….Edwards/Brohm (loser gone), Fitz and Brown…. It’ll be the most epic one on one battle since Rocky vs Drago.

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by Kurupt on May 10, 2010 3:08 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

so which one is which then?
It’ll be the most epic one on one battle since Rocky vs Drago.

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by norcaliangelsfan on May 10, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure I heard that Brohm killed a guy during a football game, so you be the judge…

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by WhyBillsWhy on May 13, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

but why does it have to be one of them?

As you noted yourself in the beginning:

Our discussions of QB’s this year will hopefully be limited to this year, and this year only. Next year, this team better be starting fresh with a potential franchise guy.

I totally agree, which is why Im of the belief that Fitzpatrick will emerge as the starter this year. Whats the point of going with a developmental guy like Brohm or Edwards who are less dependable than Fitz (in terms of what they give a team) if your going to scrap them next year anyway? Fitzpatrick is stable and hes a guy that a team can get behind like they did last year. Hes mobile which Gailey likes, and he can learn the system before falling in to a backup role for a young franchise signal caller down the road. Brohm may never emerge as a viable NFL QB and Edwards just cant stick as a backup here, I just dont think he can after everything thats transpired. So unless Gailey believes Edwards or Brohm can be the future guy, and based on your beginning statements you dont seem to think they can, shouldnt logic dictate the Gailey will go with Fitz?

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by poz on May 10, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

That may be true

I’m not saying they should go with one of those guys, just that they’ll likely (my opinion) be given more opportunities to win the job this year. Fitz is what he is, Edwards is broken and may, as unlikely as it might be, improve some, and Brohm is rather unknown. I just think that’s why Fitz won’t be a major part of the competition, but I’m probably wrong. He’ll likely end up our starting QB! He could still start despite getting the fewest chances this summer.

I think giving Brohm a chance might also prove whether he can be a capable backup going forward. Edwards less so in that regard.

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by Kurupt on May 10, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not saying they should go with one of those guys, just that they’ll likely (my opinion) be given more opportunities to win the job this year

Gotcha.

But heres where I differ a bit from you I guess. I think Fitzpatrick will start even if Trent and Brohm get more opportunities unless Brohm or Edwards really impresses. I just dont see Gailey willing to hitch his wagon to either one of them if he doesnt believe they will be the future, I dont think they will show enough to be the future. So in many ways, Fitz will win because neither Edwards nor Brohm will win the QB competition. As sad as that sounds.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on May 10, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I think that too

I said that in my post if both Brohm/Edwards stink it up, Fitz will be the starter, which means either has to impress and prove they are worthy of the job. If they’re both mediocre, at best, Fitz has a great shot at starting. I don’t think Gailey thinks any of them are the future….at least I sure hope he doesn’t think so. I just hope whoever we start this year is a seat warmer for a top pick next year. That’s our best hope of ever getting out of the rut this franchise is in.

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by Kurupt on May 10, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

but in your mind you think Brohm or Edwards will impress right, based upon your projection in your original post? If you had to take a shot in the dark, who do you think will win that one then?

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by poz on May 10, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

I think both stink. But I think the coaches will give them that chance to sink or swim. I’m hopeful one can amount to something, but I don’t see it happening. I do think one will be decent enough in the preseason to at least keep a job. I’m not sure which one since I have no confidence in either, which leads to the whole Fitz falling into the starter’s job because of the poor play of Brohm/Edwards. My post was all about if’s and maybe’s, but in the grand scheme of things I don’t think it really matters for the future of this franchise. None of these guys are QB’s I’d expect to be starting for the Bills in 2011.

~K
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by Kurupt on May 10, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahh, got ya.

I wonder if the team will try to sell Fitzpatrick jerseys if he does win? haha

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by poz on May 10, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Given the fact we didn't take a QB earlier and CHIX comments about liking our QBs,

wouldn’t it be most likely that they want to see what they have in Edwards and Brohm ASAP? Unless they think Fitz is the long term solution (God, I hope not), then the priority becomes finding out what you have in Edwards and Brohm. That can’t be done by letting Fitz start. They preseason should decide Edwards or Brohm’s fate. One of them will begin the season as the starter, with Fitz coming in if disaster strikes, and Brown being the Armageddon QB.

Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!

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by Joe P. on May 10, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd for the Rocky reference ...... I was afraid it was going to be another Godzilla comparision.

Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!

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by Joe P. on May 10, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

OL Health

It will be interesting to see how this open competition at QB will shape up if the OL stays healthy & intact. Very few QB’s around the league would have prospered behind Buffalo’s beat up OL last year.

We should be able to see better who is worthy of the starting job if they aren’t running for their lives in the backfield.

And with the 9th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft, the Buffalo Bills select...C.J.Spiller?

by Blitz on May 10, 2010 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Top 3 guys will stay

they have allegiance to no one on this QB Roster. Well Brown is a 7th round pick this year, which may be a more significant relationship to the current regime than any other QB . Brohm, Edwards and Fitz were their previously, Nix thinks and hopes that they have something in one of them and will deal with it all year. If none of these guys work out it is very possible they will all be gone next year, with exception of Brown if he has any promise at all.

This year the worst of Brohm, Edwards and Fitz will be cut.

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by billsoferie on May 10, 2010 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

It's interesting that going into the 2007 college football season, Brohm was the hands down #1 quarterback prospect in the NCAA.

I hope he ends up working out for you guys.

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by Chad Henne is Your New Bicycle on May 10, 2010 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I really hope he does.

But Mitch Mustain was the number one high school QB in the nation coming out, and now he’s a punter at USC. Hopefully Brohm will follow the Jim Plunkett line, not that of Mitch Mustain.

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by Dyl on May 10, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

which, off topic

is unbelievable to me that Corp was ahead of Mustain on their depth chart with Barkley went down.

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by troy145 on May 10, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mustain made a grave error transfering there.........

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by norcaliangelsfan on May 10, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know it. I really wish he'd been able to go with Malzahn to Tulsa.

Blame where you must, be candid where you can, And be each critic the Good-natured Man. - Oliver Goldsmith (Excellent advice)

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by Dyl on May 10, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fake punt pass!

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by Chad Henne is Your New Bicycle on May 10, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Arrested Development reference?

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by kaisertown on May 11, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

The good news is...

We don’t have a lot of cap space wasted on QB’s. At least give prior management a sliver of credit for that.

Did the Bills work outdoors on Saturday? Cold, windy, sheets of rain, the Bills ought to own that weather. I can’t imagine a better teaching day for the players to learn how to cope with that type of weather. That’s perfect for throwing and receiving drills. I’ll think more highly of Gailey if he had them outside.

by Rick A on May 10, 2010 4:54 PM EDT reply actions  

But in May they’re not learning how to deal with the weather, they’re learning the playbook.

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by MattRichWarren on May 11, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t really get the hype with Fitz. Yea, he won some games, but hey, how many games would Edwards have won if he didn’t get ‘help’ from Leodis and Roscoe fumbling away games, or the D giving up one huge run for a TD. It seems like Fitz just got lucky a lot of the times…

but then again I really don’t like Fitz and was very very mad we signed him last offseason. I watched a lot of the Bengals games in 08 when Palmer was hurt and as my roommates can attest, I thought he was one of the worst QBs in the league, easy.

by polar2292 on May 10, 2010 6:51 PM EDT reply actions  

No hes not Peyton Manning,far from it actually, but he came in off the bench last year and provided a spark. He won some games, sure he looked ugly at most points… but he won games. And thats all that matters, right? No hes not the ideal QB… but some winning is what he provided. And im not looking for him to be a starter… because hes not starter, but he is a capable backup.

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by bflo on May 10, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Peyton Manning?! Oh yea definitely not… I was thinking not even as good as Sage Rosenfels. I don’t trust him to even be a backup. With his 13 (?) ints this year and his horribly inaccurate arm, I would much rather have someone that is accurate in there if all he has to do is manage the game and not throw picks. Honestly, I don’t know if we have someone that’s good enough on this roster, but I would rather we had someone with the physical tools needed. You can always learn, but you cant really make yourself more accurate once you get to that level of play.

by polar2292 on May 10, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

come on man

there is no hype at all surrounding Fitzpatrick but he’s what we got, as you said

I would much rather have someone that is accurate in there if all he has to do is manage the game and not throw picks

Last year, Brian Brohm threw two picks in the game he played and Trent Edwards simply lost us games.

Honestly, I don’t know if we have someone that’s good enough on this roster, but I would rather we had someone with the physical tools needed.

And there you go, you got it right there. We do not have someone thats good enough on this roster, at least that was last year. We would all much rather have a guy with the physical tools. I dont think there is one person who posts here that thinks Fitzpatrick is the answer. Not one. There is about zero hype around Fitzpatrick. But I’m not sure why you bash away at him when he won a higher percentage of his games last year than any other QB we had on the roster.

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by poz on May 10, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly where I was going...

Im not saying hes a very talented QB… but the guy was a gamer last year and won games for this team. Talk about throwing picks and Defense bailing him out or whatever… he still went out there and won ugly games. And ugly wins count just as much a blowout does.

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by bflo on May 10, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many training camps has Fitzpatrick attended

Where he stood more than a slight chance of being a starter. Where he had the offensive scheme designed to meet his skills not someone else’s. Where he had the chance to cash in on the biggest pay days of his life. Where he had a running game to complement a passing offense.

Answer: Zero

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by VanScottM on May 11, 2010 12:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Is there an offensive scheme designed around underthrowing your receivers?

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by WhyBillsWhy on May 13, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lets look at the bright side ppl

After a season of mediocracy in which all our QBs will prolly start at least 1 game ( Brown maybe), we will be at least in prime positon to take either luke, locker, or mallet….unless of course we decide to take mark ingram..lol

by Marcus Talley on May 11, 2010 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

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