Buffalo Bills 2000s All-Decade Team: Defensive Tackle No. 1
by MattRichWarren on May 18, 2010 12:30 PM EDT
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PrintThe Buffalo Bills ran a 4-3 defense for nine of the ten years from 2001-2009. The All-Decade defense will follow that trend and field four down linemen and three linebackers. We begin our discussion on the defense of the decade with the big guys in the middle. This is one of the few positions that actually has several quality candidates.
Pat Williams
Williams joined the Bills in 1997 and stayed through the 2004 season. Williams started 64 games for the Bills in the decade, accumulating 7 sacks, 222 tackles, two forced fumbles, a safety, and two touchdowns on an interception and fumble return. In 2000, the Bills were the third-ranked defense in the NFL, and in 2003 and 2004 they were second.
Sam Adams
The Bills signed Adams from the Raiders following the 2002 season. In his three years in Buffalo, he started 40 games and amassed 65 tackles, 13 sacks, two interceptions (one of which went back for a touchdown), batted down six passes, and recovered a fumble. In 2003 and 2004, Adams teamed with Pat Williams to own the middle of the Bills' second-ranked defense in back-to-back years.
Kyle Williams
Williams was drafted in the fifth round of the 2006 NFL Draft, 108 spots behind first-round DT John McCargo. Big Kyle started 11 games in his rookie season and 57 games (second to the other Williams) in four season in Buffalo. For his career, he has 8 sacks, one pass defended, two forced fumbles, one fumble recovery, and 139 tackles. His sack and tackles totals are second in the decade amongst DTs, to Adams and Pat Williams, respectively. In 2009, Williams' agent told the media he was a Pro Bowl alternate after he had the best season of his career.
Larry Tripplett
Larry Tripplett was signed as a free agent from the Indianapolis Colts. In two unremarkable seasons in Buffalo, he compiled 3.5 sacks, one interception, 8 defended passes, two fumbles forced and two recovered, and 38 tackles while starting all 32 games.
Marcus Stroud
The Bills traded third- and fifth-round picks to acquire Stroud from the Jacksonville Jaguars in 2008. In his two seasons in Buffalo, he has started 31 games, making 67 tackles, 4.5 sacks, forcing a fumble, and recovering three. He's also batted down 15 passes.
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I voted for Big Pat
He was one of the best DT’s to take the field as a Buffalo Bill IMO. Decent guy too! I used to run into him while he was a Bill after games and the following Monday at times, & at least he’d talk w/ ya. I’d usually catch him w/ Jonas Jennings, Takeo Spikes, and some others along both sides of the line……
Those back to back #2 Defensive rankings in the NFL was just the opposite of what they’ve been of late! No one could run against that Defensive line during that time frame. Now? Everyone can at will…..
Lets hope we see a change there this season w/ the new 3-4 and some of the new guys we have been bringing in.
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I wonder who StroudFanClub voted for?
Big Pat is taking the prize, as deserved IMO, I love the DT’s we’ve had this decade, all have been great, forgetting McGargo & Tripplett.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on May 18, 2010 12:44 PM EDT reply actions
haha, you beat me to it!
Was gonna post something along the lines of, “and please don’t ask me who I voted for…”
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by StroudFanClub on May 18, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta love 15 passes batted down in 31 games
One of the more under-rated qualities of big Marcus Stroud, IMO. Such a drive killer….the batted down pass. I get so frustrated when it happens to our QBs….
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on May 18, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
It helps that he's 6'6" and gets no push on his pass rush
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
This one wont be a blowout lol.
Im going with Pat Williams for the #1 spot though. Guy was a force that couldnt be handled by one player, hell sometimes 2 or 3. He was awesome… so mad when he went to Minni. Man how different this decade could have gone if OBD re-signed him…
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… and after voting… this one could be a blowout. At least for the #1 spot.
"Ok, its Gudda hoe, all about my Bills like Buffalo."
It`s another blowout.
The number 2 spot should be a lot more hotly contested though. I just wish that we could go with a 3 DT 1 DE line, because let`s face it, we`ve only had one DE worth putting on the all-decade team, while I can see 4 DT`s that are actually worthy.
Washington? Check. Pittsburg? Check. Boston or Philly? Wont be a problem. WE'RE GOING TO THE STANLEY CUP BABY!!! GO HABS GO!!!!
by CanadianBillsFan on May 18, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Stroud doesn't deserve an honor like that
He’s basically been non-existent since coming here. I might even argue that Kelsay has more of an argument for making this all-decade team than a guy like Stroud does. I’m not prepared to go there, though, even though I know he’s going to be the 2nd DE voted in. :)
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Stroud had a monster start two years ago and has been largely average since.
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by MattRichWarren on May 18, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Woah....some harsh words for my man Stroud. Where is this coming from?
2009 season Stroud had 56 combined tackles (his 2nd highest total in career), 8 passes batted down (highest of career, after having 7 passes batted down in 2008) and has only missed 1 game the past two years.
Yes, he only had 2 sacks last year. But Kyle Williams is more the penetrator…not really Stroud.
By comparison, last year Kelsay had 62 combined tackles, 5 sacks and zero passes batted down (at least get your arms up, Kelsay!). So 6 more tackles and 3 more sacks (and this is Kelsay’s 2nd highest sack total ever) in 1 more game played from a defensive end. Stroud has put up some decent stats while usually taking on more blockers.
Just because he’s only had 4.5 sacks in his 2 years since being traded here doesn’t mean that he isn’t performing decently.
Plus, as an added bonus, Stroud always tries to pump the fans up on key downs by waving his arms and acting like a loon. Gotta love the passion.
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on May 18, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Were you making the point for me?!?!
If you’re going to pump up Stroud by comparing him to Kelsay, talking about how he’s batting down passes more because he’s not a penetrator, and using his ability to wave his arms to the fans as a reason why he’s so good, then do I even need to try to respond against you?!?!
Stroud has been mediocre since arriving in Buffalo, getting little push off the line and making very few plays. He’s looked borderline washed up to me. I don’t care about his lack of sacks or other stats. Watching his play is why I think he’s on his last legs…
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on May 18, 2010 9:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was comparing Stroud and Kelsay because of your statement
“I might even argue that Kelsay has more of an argument for making this all-decade team than a guy like Stroud does”
That’s all. Comparing the stats Stroud put up as a defensive tackle to a defensive end.
His pumping up the crowd was just a joke…..of course that doesn’t qualify him for any all decade honors. Just shows he has some passion.
You say he looks washed up….I’m saying last year he posted the 2nd highest combined tackle total of his career. And his highest passes defended total of his career. So I’m using statistics to back my claim that it doesn’t seem like he is dropping off….
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on May 19, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok then
I’m using my eyes, and I think he has looked like he’s almost done. Differing opinions, I suppose.
I also hate the contract that he received….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I think the problem may lie in what you were expecting of him
Acquiring a big defensive tackle, at age 29, after 7 years of playing in the league, and coming off of injuries and seasons where he played in 20 of a possible 32 games, what were you expecting?
It’s not like Stroud was making huge plays in Jacksonville either….he is what he is. His highest sack total was 6.5 in his 2nd year. In his 3 seasons before being traded to Buffalo he had 6.5 sacks combined.
So when Jacksonville gives up on him, and trades him to Buffalo….and he misses only 1 game in 2 years, he collects 4.5 sacks in 2 years, he puts up tackle statistics not seen since his early playing days AND puts up passes batted down stats he has never before put up (15 in 2 years!), clogs the middle so Kyle Williams can get penetration…..I don’t see where you get someone that is looking “washed up”.
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on May 19, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he looks washed up
Because he’s barely moving around out there. He doesn’t get penetration, he obviously doesn’t rush the passer, he isn’t making plays down field or outside the tackles. The tackle numbers are solid, but when we’re getting run on all game long, especially inside, he’s bound to make a lot of tackles. It’s not like he’s making all these tackles for a top 10 run defense.
If we’re paying the guy $7M a season to let others make the plays, bat a few passes down here and there and not do much else to impact the defense, fine. I just don’t agree with it at all. If he was taking up space and eating blockers, while our run defense was successful, this would be a different story. But he’s been just another guy on a terrible run defense that is now making $7M a year.
I just can’t be too thrilled with the return on this investment simply because he’s stayed healthy, picked up some tackles and batted down some passes. His impact has been minimal overall, and I’m still a bit shocked he received the extension he did.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I was talking about having Schobel Pat Williams, Kyle Williams and Sam Adam on our All-Decade D-Line.
Washington? Check. Pittsburg? Check. Boston or Philly? Wont be a problem. WE'RE GOING TO THE STANLEY CUP BABY!!! GO HABS GO!!!!
by CanadianBillsFan on May 18, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
And I don’t know about Kelsey getting in. Personally I’ve voting Denney ;-)
Washington? Check. Pittsburg? Check. Boston or Philly? Wont be a problem. WE'RE GOING TO THE STANLEY CUP BABY!!! GO HABS GO!!!!
by CanadianBillsFan on May 18, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Larry.........the man, the myth, the Legend.......
"If we can put four quarters together, that's the objective. Let's see how somebody else feels playing from behind." (TWCS)
by norcaliangelsfan on May 18, 2010 12:57 PM EDT reply actions
Who in the world votes for him here?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on May 18, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
well I did.....
but it was an accident……..
"If we can put four quarters together, that's the objective. Let's see how somebody else feels playing from behind." (TWCS)
by norcaliangelsfan on May 18, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
That pretty much sums up the actual signing.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on May 18, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Famous last words from our beloved Bills
well I did…..but it was an accident……..
Mr. Owens, did you agree to play for the Bills? Well I did, but it was an accident…..
Mr. Lynch, did you hit that drunken Canadian women with your car? Well I did, but it was an accident….
Mr. Simpson, did you actually tell that officer that you were a Bill and worth millions? Well I did, but it was an accident…
Mr. Henry, did you get another woman pregnant? Well I did, but it was an accident……
Mr. Nix, did you ignore the two most important positions on a football team this offseason? Well I did, but it was an accident….
Mr. Wilson, did you actually fire Bill Polian and Wade Phillips? Well I did, but it was an accident…..
Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!
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Dick Jauron (and others)
Did you RUN, RUN, PASS and PUNT??
Well, I did, but it was an accident…
Love those Bills but we're tired of losing......
Big Pat
Our biggest mistake this decade was letting him go.
Washington? Check. Pittsburg? Check. Boston or Philly? Wont be a problem. WE'RE GOING TO THE STANLEY CUP BABY!!! GO HABS GO!!!!
by CanadianBillsFan on May 18, 2010 1:25 PM EDT reply actions
Seriously. Aside from the mistake by norcali, these guys should fess up.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on May 18, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Tripplett shouldn’t even be on the list
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on May 18, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. I guess he should based on his “playing” 2 seasons, but there’s absolutely no way he should be here without Ted Washington.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on May 18, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is Ted Washington not on the list?
He played one season, but made the Pro Bowl. That was the same criteria you used for Byrd….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
i think he said something about having to lower the requirements for that position because there wasnt a lot to go on there.......
and this position has a ton of options already…..so the requirements were higher.
Something along those lines.
"If we can put four quarters together, that's the objective. Let's see how somebody else feels playing from behind." (TWCS)
by norcaliangelsfan on May 18, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Big Ted's one season
was better than Larry Tripplett’s or Marcus Stroud’s career here.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
lol haha
well I shouldnt really speak for MRW….because frankly I have no clue.
just speculating…..
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by norcaliangelsfan on May 18, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Big Teddy was awesome. I always thought they should line him up at fullback.
Behold - Ghidrah, the 3 headed monster aka Jackson, Spiller & Lynch!
I think this is how they should handle John McCargo, if they insist on keeping him around.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on May 18, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed on that. I’m just wondering what Tripplett is doing there at all.
Washington? Check. Pittsburg? Check. Boston or Philly? Wont be a problem. WE'RE GOING TO THE STANLEY CUP BABY!!! GO HABS GO!!!!
by CanadianBillsFan on May 18, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
An oversight. I’ll put him on the second post.
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by MattRichWarren on May 18, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
And just take Tripplett off this list. He belongs on my poles, not your’s ;-)
Washington? Check. Pittsburg? Check. Boston or Philly? Wont be a problem. WE'RE GOING TO THE STANLEY CUP BABY!!! GO HABS GO!!!!
by CanadianBillsFan on May 18, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
wow eric, very twisted.
Washington? Check. Pittsburg? Check. Boston or Philly? Wont be a problem. WE'RE GOING TO THE STANLEY CUP BABY!!! GO HABS GO!!!!
by CanadianBillsFan on May 18, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
twisted pole......sounds painful.
Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!
"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown
Well Byrd was also a rookie…
Washington? Check. Pittsburg? Check. Boston or Philly? Wont be a problem. WE'RE GOING TO THE STANLEY CUP BABY!!! GO HABS GO!!!!
by CanadianBillsFan on May 18, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
"BIG PAT"
It was a shame that the Bills let him walk away, he wanted to stay in Buffalo and owned a couple of car detailing shops. The Bills signed him as a undrafted FA developed him then said so long. I could never understand why they kept Sam Adams over Williams.
Then the comedy of errors began trying to replace Pat——the signing of Larry Tripplett for 5 years $18 million was a bust (released after 07). The Bills traded up to draft McCargo in the first round at 5 years $8.6 million and finally they traded for Stroud who just received a 4 year $28 million extension.
Pat left in 2004 I believe he was looking for a contract in 5 year $25 million range. so Tripplett cost them roughly $14 million (he was cut early) McCargo $8.6 million and Stroud is guaranteed $16 million…. Letting Pat go cost them roughly $14 million more in salary for the other 3 plus draft picks and not one has sniffed the Pro Bowl—-BRILLIANT…
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"So they got us surrounded, now we can fire in any direction. Those bastards won’t get away this time."
Lewis "Chesty" Puller, USMC legend
I think the bigger shock was giving Stroud a new deal
Seriously, it was quite evident that he was on the decline, and had already redone his deal after being traded here. What was the point of extending him and giving him big money???
Well, the Bills could have kept both Adams and Williams, but Donahoe got cute and thought Williams was shot. That was obviously one of his biggest errors in a room full of them. Wasn’t Pat willing to sign for less to stay, as well??
The way Levy addressed DT was comical, and outside of getting a solid find in Kyle Williams, it was yet another black mark on his GM resume.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I forgot...
They also drafted DT Tim Anderson in the 3rd rd in 04 another bust…..
Kurupt—-I remember reading back then that Williams was willing to take less to stay, he loved the area and had the car businesses going. What a blunder!!!
"I believe if Shoeless Joe Jackson were playing today, he’d have a shoe contract."
Don Mattingly, ‘95
Right… had OBD re-signed him, it could have changed the whole decade. Biggest mistake theyve made since the Glory Days… that and Rob Johnson starting over Flutie. I wish The Rumblings was around in those days. That would have been the best msg board talk ever. It would have blown Tebow and Maybin talk out of the water.
"Ok, its Gudda hoe, all about my Bills like Buffalo."
I was VERY angry when the Bills let him walk. He was “too old” and “too expensive.” Neither was true and we haven’t had a shut down front Defense since.
Imagine how could Poz would be with Pat and Sam in front of him.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on May 18, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Please stop it Goose......
The pain is too unbearable! I feel if it wasn’t for Polian that team would have been dismantled too. It sickens me DEEPLY when the FO justs let so many talented guys leave because of money. There are too many to even name…….uugghh.
Sorry
Dealing with the Bills bumbling personnel moves over they last decade is like getting hit in the eye with a red hot poker——very painful!!
"I believe if Shoeless Joe Jackson were playing today, he’d have a shoe contract."
Don Mattingly, ‘95
Pat Williams, not contest.
Then I would have to go with Sam Adams after that. He was a freaking beast! The only bad part, is towards the end of his Bills career, he ran out of gas in the 3rd quarter.
If I only had a brain...
Can we find the TD videos for Pat Williams
Also was Ted Washington in Buffalo for this decade or did they cut him before the 2000 season?
Ted Washington
Was jettisoned after the 2000 season when Coach Greg Williams switched from the 3-4 and installed the 4-3….
"I believe if Shoeless Joe Jackson were playing today, he’d have a shoe contract."
Don Mattingly, ‘95
Wait... what?
48 people so far have picked Kyle Williams? What?!? On what basis did anyone pick him? He is a good player who is on the team right now, but seriously you gotta be kiddning me here.
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