Buffalo Bills 2000s All-Decade Team: Cornerback No. 2
by MattRichWarren on May 29, 2010 9:10 AM EDT
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PrintThe talent at the Buffalo Bills' cornerback position was very good during the 2000s. Our first cornerback on the team, Nate Clements, built his career on timely interceptions. Antoine Winfield was a punishing tackler. Terrence McGee was steady and solid on defense while contributing in the return game. With all due respect to Jabari Greer, this is a two horse race.
Antoine Winfield
With the No. 23 overall selection in the 1999 NFL Draft, the Bills selected Ohio State cornerback Antoine Winfield. In the 2000s, Winfield started 56 games for Buffalo, and was always great in run support. In 2003, he had 94 tackles to come in just behind team leader London Fletcher. In total, he collected 253 tackles in his four years of the decade as a Bill, four interceptions, averaged ten pass breakups per season (the stat wasn't kept before 2001), forced three fumbles and recovered two, and added a sack. In 2008, he made the Pro Bowl as a member of the Minnesota Vikings.
Terrence McGee
A fourth-round selection by the Bills in the 2003 NFL Draft, McGee established himself as a very good cornerback early on in his career. In fact, a driving force in not re-signing Winfield was the emergence of McGee. The injury-plagued corner has started 81 games, but never played a full season, coming the closest in 2007 with 15 starts. He has compiled 17 interceptions, one of which went back for a score, 93 passes defended, three forced fumbles, four fumble recoveries, a touchdown return, and three sacks. In 2004, he joined Clements in the Pro Bowl as a return specialist. His 397 tackles rank him eighth all-time in Bills annals, and are tops amongst the CBs on this list.
Jabari Greer
Greer played in Buffalo for five seasons and started the majority of the games in his last two. In all, he tallied 26 starts in a Bills uniform and 70 games total. He picked off four passes and returned two of them for touchdowns, defended 28 passes, forced a fumble and recorded two QB sacks and 129 tackles.
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by MattRichWarren on May 29, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
With That many int’s, McGee is the man!
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on May 29, 2010 9:50 AM EDT reply actions
As far as the injuries..The flame that burns twice as bright, burns half as long…chinese proverb stolen from Blade Runner.
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on May 29, 2010 9:54 AM EDT reply actions
McGee deserves the spot, in my opinion.
That’s all I want to say on the matter. =)
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by TheAfghanTwilight on May 29, 2010 9:54 AM EDT reply actions
So all the people commenting say McGee.
Where are the Winfield voters’ thoughts?
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Beuller?
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on May 29, 2010 9:59 AM EDT reply actions
Uh…Bueller?
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on May 29, 2010 10:01 AM EDT reply actions
Can we least get something about Godzilla here?
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on May 29, 2010 10:02 AM EDT reply actions
haha....
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by StroudFanClub on May 29, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank You!
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on May 29, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I voted Winfield
Winfield was better in man coverage than zone. McGee was a very good Tampa 2 corner. Winfield’s physically won my vote, though this is the closest vote we may have had so far, and for very good reason.
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What about Winfield’s stone hands? I know everyone want to say what a great physical player Winfield is/was and how great he is/was at tackling, but is McGee bad at tackling? I
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Ok so you commented against T-Mac and Winfeild. I’m just gonna go out and guess that you went with Greer? Or are you in a particularly sarcastic mood today?
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by CanadianBillsFan on May 29, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Not knocking McGee. I voted for him. I am saying that everyone is giving Winfield credit for being a great tackler, but I am asking if McGee is bad at it, because I don’t think he is.
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I voted for McGee too. Winfeild was a great tackler for a CB for us, but was very mediocre at everything else. McGee on the other hand is an average tackler for a CB but is increadibly underapriciated at everthing else he does. his 17 INT’s alone should earn him the nod over Winweild.
Washington? Check. Pittsburg? Check. Philly? Wont be a pro... errr.... GO BLACKHAWKS!!!
by CanadianBillsFan on May 29, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Completely agree
On Winfield’s sonte hands. I went with him over McGee, not because McGee’s a bad tackler, but he can’t match Winfield. Winfield is a modern day Pat Fischer. His physical play at the CB position is unmatched.
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I was torn on this
But I went for Antoine. I just liked how he punished the recievers if they made the catch. I love the way he plays the game, and that’s not a knock on mcgee at all. Both are very solid corners.
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by Schooled You on May 29, 2010 10:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
McGee deserves it over Winfield
Can someone truly explain their rationale for why Winfield was a better player for the 4 years he was here this decade than McGee was for his 7?
I just can’t believe everyone is overlooking Winfield’s poor coverage skills while in Buffalo. McGee is, and has been, a good all-around CB. In Buffalo, Winfield was a run stuffer that did very little in the passing game for us. I think Winfield’s Minnesota career is making people forget how he played here in Buffalo.
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Plus McGee is the only player in NFL history with a KR and INT return for a TD in the same game I believe. At Cinci a few years back.
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True, but that shouldn't factor into it
When naming players for the all decade team, it should be based on the performance on how they played that particular position.
That’s how I have interpreted it, and that’s how I voted for all these polls.
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by Schooled You on May 29, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
The more I look at Winfield’s numbers, the more I think how he could have been an all time great – at strong safety :)
I voted for McGee. Again, statistically he was better, and unlike a lot of the Bills players that roll through these polls, you wouldn’t say McGee is mediocre. I think Winfield being on teams that were marginally more successful than the last few years makes him a brighter light in people’s minds, but the stats don’t lie.
He should have been playing safety, not CB.
by syrbillsfan on May 30, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
While Winfield did put some great hits on receivers
Those receivers are willing to take the hit to move the chains.With McGee,the opposing QB’s will often throw away from his coverage.It’s not something that there’s a lot of stats on,but that kind of respect from the opposition along with the int’s he’s had,got my vote here..
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Considering the time of
Possession the defense has spent on the field during McGee’s time here. I ranked him even above Clemens. Not to mention that he stayed here with a second contract forgoing the millions available from other teams. He also has contributed more than the others in other areas of the team. One last plug for Terrence. Remembering him running down Thomas Jones from the opposite side of the field before he entered the end zone is hustle that speaks louder than words.
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T-Mac all the way.
Although this vote might be based more on INT’s and the desire to actually stay in Buffalo than anything else.
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by CanadianBillsFan on May 29, 2010 12:41 PM EDT reply actions
I still don’t get it. I can understand people voting for Winfield but how come virtually every comment is for McGee yet 100 more people voted for Winfield?
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This is rapidly making a case for a veto.
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by CanadianBillsFan on May 29, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Hanging chads.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on May 30, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't get it, either. I voted for McGee.....
Where you at, Winfield people??? Show yourselves! haha
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by StroudFanClub on May 29, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I voted for Winfield because I just loved his way to go about his business – extremely professional person, who was the best run-stopping CB I’ve seen in the NFL so far; in addition he was a very tough guy, who excelled in a zone defense where he would very rarely get beat. McGee is a very good CB in his own right, but I just think Winfield was/is a little better at what he does – great run-stopper, sure tackler and rarely gets beat because he’s such a smart CB who’s rarely mistaken as far as defensive zones go.
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by BillsfanfromDenmark on May 29, 2010 4:05 PM EDT reply actions
in addition he was a very tough guy, who excelled in a zone defense where he would very rarely get beat.
Say what? Winfield got beat deep at least once a game.
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I don't remember any zone then either...
Winfield got beat a lot, but was gritty and could tackle, so that’s all anyone cares to recall!!
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by Kurupt on May 29, 2010 6:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
At least you gave us your reasoning. I have no problem with people who voted for Winfield I just wanted to hear their side.
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by MattRichWarren on May 30, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
A reason to vote for Winfield
Dwelling only on what he did very well is undoubtedly a bad reason to vote for Winfield, but tackling extraordinarily well is a more obvious and visable contribution than not having the ball thrown your way. The camera doesn’t focus too often on where the ball isn’t. It was a pleasure watching Winfield crawl under would-be blockers to make tackles and knocking the tar out of himself tackling Randy Moss, especially considering his size. A good reason to vote for Winfield? No, but fans are fans and often root (and vote) more with their heart than their head.
by Gino Parilli on May 30, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
i really don’t think its far to give this to Antoine.. i think a buffalo rumblings overrule (Brian!) is in order.
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Hahahahah.....if the mass can be allowed to elect the president, the vote for the Bills #2 CB can stand as is
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haha.
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by norcaliangelsfan on May 29, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
We all know how the president is really elected. When the peoples’ vote truly counts, it creates a HUGE mess.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on May 30, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
The president is elected by the Electoral College.
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by MattRichWarren on May 30, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s why I said we all know how the president is elected. =) I was referring to that mess in Florida back when Bushy Bush was in the fold.
Oh and this will be a sham to me if McGee is overlooked as CB2.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on May 30, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Electoral College....what's that /sarcasm
Those votes are supposed to be cast based on the popular vote, so the point is still valid. I have been staying out of this, but McGee was not a better CB than Winfield. First, throw out all McGee’s return stats…..this is not a vote for ST returner. Sure Winfield got beat deep on occasion, but who doesn’t. Winfield was one of the most complete CBs the Bills have ever had. He could play man on short and intermediate routes very well, but needed safety help over the top on the deep balls. We all know he was a great run support CB, but he was also very physical with WRs. He could jam the WR at the line (I know it has been a long time, so many of you may not be aware CBs can legally do this), and had good instincts that allowed him to break on the ball and bat them away. Sure, I wish he could have held on to them, but at least he stopped the WR from getting the catch. He has been playing at a high level with the Vikes since he left. I think people here want to hold that fact against he because it is another glaring example of the Bills letting talent leave.
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This could cut both ways in the voting
I think people here want to hold that fact against him because it is another glaring example of the Bills letting talent leave.
This may be a reason some might vote for Winfield, figuring that he must have been better because the Bills let him get away.
by Gino Parilli on May 30, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I would put it this way.....people assume Winfield would have been as effective in the Bills system as he was with the Vikes
While this is a valid point, it wasn’t enough to compensate for McGee’s injury history and the fact he played (was forced to play?) 10 yards off the freaking ball. Hard to get beat deep, but I really got sick of seeing opposing WRs catch the easy short passes for a first down.
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