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Examining LB job responsibilities in the 3-4

A few months ago, fellow Buffalo Rumblings author Der Jaeger penned a piece which explained the strengths and weaknesses of the 3-4 base defense, the 4-3 base defense, and the different variations of those defenses. Flash forward to today, and we know new Buffalo Bills defensive coordinator George Edwards is installing the 3-4 base defense prominently seen in the Parcells/Belichick coaching tree.

Recently, there has been some confusion regarding our base 3-4 versus the Rex Ryan 3-4, what sort of players we need, and most importantly, the responsibilities of the linebackers. Keep in mind that the linebackers are the lifeblood of the 3-4 defense. Both defenses require a two-gap, space eating nose tackle along with defensive ends that can set the edge while maintaining their two-gap duties. So what's the difference, and why is it important?

Special thanks to Daniel Jeremiah of movethesticks.com for some specifics on what we'll call the Rex Ryan defense. After the jump, we'll examine these issues.

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Rex Ryan 3-4

Rush Linebacker: Sometimes is called the "elephant" of the defense. Think Terrell Suggs in Baltimore or Jason Taylor of the Jets. They always line up on the weak side (where the tight end isn't) of the defense. Their primary goal is to get after the quarterback, and generally teams use a gifted pass rusher on this role. You want a guy who can bend the edge around tackles and has a counter move for when the offensive tackle tries to redirect them back inside. It's also important to have quick hands to get inside on the chest of the offensive lineman - that's a good indicator of success in the trenches.

Strong side (Sam) Outside Linebacker: They play on the strong side of defense every play. Since most offenses are right-handed, the Sam OLB generally lines up on the left side of the defense. They have to be strong at the point of attack because they take on the tight end, who tries to run block them, and they also need the ability to cover that tight end. The Sam's primary focus is run defense while dropping into coverage. They rarely line up head to head versus an offensive tackle and pass rush. Instead, the defensive coordinator draws up schemes where they might blitz.

Jack Inside Linebacker: His entire job is to keep the Mike ILB clean; by keeping the Mike clean, the Jack's sole responsibility is to take on the offensive guards and keep them away from his running mate. He needs to be very strong at the point of attack - a downhill thumper if you will. It's a dirty and underrated ability, but keep in mind that there's a reason Rex Ryan made Bart Scott his first big free agent signing. Scott excelled at this job in Baltimore, and he's now a big part of the Jets' defensive success, despite the modest statistics.

Mike Inside Linebacker: This is Ray Lewis in Baltimore. His job is simple: follow his instincts (ed. note: using his peripherals, of course), make plays, and clean up the mess. Ideally, he won't have to shed blockers because of the Jack, so he can just go hog-wild with attacking the ball carrier and point of attack.

The Bills 3-4

Right Outside Linebacker: The ROLB always lines up on the right side of the defense; the left side of the offense. He's somewhat similar to the rush linebacker in the Ryan 3-4 because he is generally an excellent pass rusher. However, the ROLB also needs to maintain drop responsibilities and be strong at the point of attack in case an offense puts the tight end on the left side of the offensive line or goes to a single back, two tight end formation. Essentially, the ROLB has to pass rush while dropping into coverage occasionally and maintaining run support. This will likely be Aaron Maybin for the Bills, despite his potential lack of initial quickness in coverage.

Left Outside Linebacker: Similar to the ROLB, the LOLB continually lines up on the left side of the defense; the right side of the offense. The LOLB has to be a little bit bigger and stronger at the point of attack because they are generally covered by a tight end. Moreover, they need the athleticism to maintain coverage responsibilities. Pass rush skills are also important because the LOLB will sometimes go man-on-man with an offensive tackle. One of the reasons Adalius Thomas was so successful in Baltimore was his skills as a blitzer; conversely, when he signed with New England, he didn't have the pass rush skill set necessary to beat a tackle like a LOLB has to. A good example here would have been Derrick Morgan had we drafted him. Aaron Schobel is likely to man this position if he doesn't retire; if Schobel retires, you'll probably see two downs of Chris Kelsay for his run defense, strong point of attack ability, and capability to set the edge of the line of scrimmage. On obvious passing downs, the Bills could use Danny Batten, Chris Ellis or Kawika Mitchell for pass rush ability, initial quickness, and leverage.

Mike Linebacker: This position is why the Bills signed Andra Davis. The Mike consistently lines up on the strong side of the formation; you may see the two inside linebackers switch sides with each other depending on the strength of the offensive formation. The Mike's job is to take on blockers, play downhill, and plug holes - much like the Jack linebacker in the Jets 3-4. Again, this isn't a job filled with glory, but it's an essential position; one the Bills didn't really have a player for. Kawika Mitchell's skill set doesn't match up to this job description; he's better in space and as a blitzer - taking on blockers isn't in his wheelhouse. Mitchell will likely see the field more as a third-down Mike where he can utilize his strengths as a blitzer and in coverage.

Will Linebacker: The Will in the base 3-4 always lines up on the weak side of the formation; this will be Paul Posluszny for the Bills. Another good example is Patrick Willis in San Francisco. You want the Will to be free to make plays; therefore, you want him as clean as possible which plays directly into Posluszny's strengths - his strong instincts and collapsing laterally to the ball carrier. Poz's big weakness is getting caught up in trash and his inability to shed blocks, so if the Bills are able to keep him clean of blockers, you could see a monster year from him. Nevertheless, the Will may be forced to take on and shed a decent share of blocks from interior linemen.

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So there you have it. You're probably looking at a starting Bills linebacking corps of Maybin, Davis, Posluszny and Schobel. Mitchell is the odd man out at starting inside linebacker because Poz is a better Will linebacker and Mitchell isn't strong at taking on blockers; that's one of the reasons the Bills went after Davis. Mitchell will see the field a lot on third downs in place of Davis, so the Bills can utilize his blitz and coverage abilities. If Schobel retires, LOLB is thrown wide open and likely becomes a platoon of Kelsay and a more athletic pass rusher to be determined.

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Excellent Article

Thank you for this. Well done.

by dougery on May 6, 2010 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks, Jeff. It’s great to have you as a new author. My question: do you project these positional breakdowns for the Bills 3-4 based on what George Edwards has recently worked with?

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by Undee on May 6, 2010 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m projecting them based on the fact that Edwards is a Parcells/Belichick/Saban disciple rather than a Rex Ryan guy. They are similar systems, but there’s various nuances in play, especially regarding the outside linebackers staying on a particular side—rather then focusing on strong side vs. weak side.

by Jeff Winters on May 6, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks. I wonder if staying on the same side, and therefore becoming more familiar with the opponent, would benefit the blocker or defender more. It’s probably not a question with a clear answer, as individual players would react differently, but there might be a trend if one was to delve deep enough…

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by Undee on May 6, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are 4 major 3-4 systems in the league right now?

Parcells-Belichick Fairbanks-Bullough, Ryan, Phillips, and LeBeau?

What about Dom Capers? Has he put down his own distinct stamp or does he fall into one of the others listed? I know he worked in New Orleans under Mora Sr. in the Dome Patrol days. I think he was the secondary coach.

by Rome Billiever on May 6, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Capers runs a base 3-4 with some LeBeau zone blitz looks mixed in.

by Jeff Winters on May 6, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybin will never be able to handle the 3-4, a friend of mine in my history class that went to his high school just told me he beat Maybin in fencing, no DESTROYED him in fencing, in 8th grade….embarassing

by billsnterps on May 6, 2010 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

how does fencing translate to a 3-4 Defense?

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by billsoferie on May 6, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both are sports…

Haha but seriously… I have no clue.

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by bflo on May 6, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

well if Maybin doesn't get his act together

the fencing business might be his next occupation…

Some make it happen, some watch it happen and some ask, what happened?

by fansince60 on May 6, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

And seriously

If your losing sports that have nothing to do with the NFL in 8th grade, probably a bad omen that should have been investigated further.

by FAN_demonium on May 6, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

No surprise

I’d expect Maybin to be more of a samurai swordsman anyhow.

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by Kurupt on May 6, 2010 4:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

This is the most confounding comment I have ever read.

The fact that you’re claiming it’s not a joke makes it worse.

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by UZ on May 6, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

Confounding is putting it nicely!

by buffalobacker on May 6, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I heard he likes peanut butter and prefers the letter H to the number 2

Clearly the earmarks of a poor 3-4 pass rushing outside linebacker :)

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by Dyl on May 6, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

(That was not a joke)

by billsnterps on May 6, 2010 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Also, great article, sorry for the meaningless post

by billsnterps on May 6, 2010 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m not sure I agree with your designations of Schobel and Maybin, for this reason alone: Aaron Schobel’s not going to put off retirement to come back and deal with the trash on the strong side of the alignment.

Schobel is this team’s best pass rusher. You play him on the weak side and try to get him isolated one-on-one as much as possible. It’s as simple as that.

I’m not sure Maybin’s ready to be a three-down defender, either. I’m much more comfortable with him platooning outside with Kelsay on the strong side – Kelsay on run downs, Maybin on passing downs – and getting a rotation there while letting Schobel take as many snaps as possible as the team’s designated pass rusher.

Therefore, I’d expect Schobel at ROLB, Maybin and Kelsay platooning at LOLB. I think you nailed the ILB roles perfectly, though as far as Mitchell goes, I’m not sure I agree that we’ll see him outside, either.

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by Brian Galliford on May 6, 2010 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I feel like Dad just slapped Mom at the dinner table....

I know Brian is being helpful and it is important to distinguish who might be where…. but it sure seems like Mom just said “its ok kids… Daddy didn’t mean it, I am fine eat your vegetables….”

Just me?

by The Devil Wears Prado on May 6, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL – I’m not allowed to disagree with someone else on the editorial staff? If not, either K or I need to be arrested for domestic violence, like, stat.

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by Brian Galliford on May 6, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

MRW fell down some stairs and walked into a door

I swear

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 6, 2010 4:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

lol

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by Dyl on May 6, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

im just playing around and that it would be a good time for a daddy hit mommy joke… I love the work you guys do

by The Devil Wears Prado on May 6, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I cried a little bit when Brian disagreed with me. I also have a mysterious black eye.

by Jeff Winters on May 6, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

That’s hilarious

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by NorCal BillsFan on May 6, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

It’s a lot to ask of Maybin in his first year as a LB to be anything more than a situational pass rusher

by #1 pick in '11 on May 6, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

Its Schobel’s, Kelsay’s, Ellis’, Batten’s and Moats’ first go round at LB too…

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by Kurupt on May 6, 2010 4:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

At least Schobel has shown he can do at least one of the things required of a LB well. Maybin….. not so much

by #1 pick in '11 on May 6, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

No he hasn't

He’s always rushed from the DE position.

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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 6, 2010 4:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I mean that he has demonstrated that he can rush the passer effectively. I never said he has rushed from the OLB position, simply stating that he has a knack for getting to the QB. I don’t think that not having a hand in the dirt is going to change his effectiveness in that regard.

by #1 pick in '11 on May 6, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean that he has demonstrated that he can rush the passer effectively.

In the NCAAs.

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by MattRichWarren on May 8, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

So at least one of them's got to pan out, right?

That looks like our strategy at least.

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by Dyl on May 6, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was operating with a long-term view in mind for Maybin; he’s going to end up at ROLB and I’d rather see him get his feet wet right away if this season is a wash. However, I agree on not being sold on Maybin—I’m not sure he can hold the point of attack or be useful in coverage right now.

There’s not a lot to work with at OLB in all honesty; I’m not a huge fan of Kelsay at OLB because he’s too stiff and easy to expose in space. If it’s a pass play and he’s not pass rushing, we could be in serious trouble.

As for Mitchell, it’s doubtful we’ll see him there, but he’s got the versatility to provide some blitzing if we’re desperate. It’s more likely we’ll see some combination of Batten/Ellis/Coleman over Mitchell on the outside.

by Jeff Winters on May 6, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's the weakest link,

as I see it:


some combination of Batten/Ellis/Coleman

How can we as a community convince Schobel to stay?? Billboard…been done. Godfather style?

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by Undee on May 6, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leave the head of a Buffalo in his bed?

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by UZ on May 6, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

hahaha too bad they’re endangered.

by BillsfanDan on May 6, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

on the Great Plains or in the NFL playoffs?

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by Dyl on May 6, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

extinct

in the NFL playoffs

Some make it happen, some watch it happen and some ask, what happened?

by fansince60 on May 6, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Batten/Ellis/Coleman

Of these guys who do you think has the best chance of becoming the long term LOLB? Because I’m thinking that this year is pretty much going to be a wash, so why not throw whoever that is in and start them to gain that experience.

by BillsfanDan on May 6, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Batten almost by default. The Bills scouts mentioned that he could play over the tight end and be strong at the PoA.

I’m not sure Coleman has the athleticism to be a starter in the league; he’s more of a high-effort guy. Ellis is going to have to fight for a job here; he’s really stiff, would be a liability in space, and hasn’t done anything of note in the NFL yet.

by Jeff Winters on May 6, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice post.

I might have missed news of you being a new contributer to BR… but youre last few threads have been a good read. So congrats.

Im excited to see the 3-4 here in Buffalo again. Obviously we dont have the platers we did back when… but still… I like the 3-4. I feel its more attack, instead of react. And thats what I want… a tough, attacking D. Training Camp will be a very, very crucial time for everyone on D (as well as O) and everyone getting used to what they need to do and where to be. I like the looks we will be able to give team depending on what package they have on the field… as well as down and distance.

So to put this in easier terms… I think I have this right… Davis will be the non-glorified MLB that takes on blockers and Poz will be the one getting majority of the tackles, or so we would want if everything goes accourding to plan, right?

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by bflo on May 6, 2010 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

So to put this in easier terms… I think I have this right… Davis will be the non-glorified MLB that takes on blockers and Poz will be the one getting majority of the tackles, or so we would want if everything goes accourding to plan, right?

Correct. Davis will do the dirty work like take on guards, which will free up Poz to make plays. Davis was an underrated signing because we didn’t have anyone on our roster who can effectively take on and shed blockers; that position and NT are so crucial in keeping your playmaker middle linebacker free in space.

by Jeff Winters on May 6, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the clarification on that. I think Poz is much better suited for the Will in the 3-4 as opposed to Mike in the 4-3. Could be in line for a great year…

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by bflo on May 6, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well Written

Great article and for something not as familiar with the 3-4 that does as good a job as any describing how we plan to use it. Go Bills and I tend to get overly optimistic but I really feel we might surprise some people this year. I am not sure we are at a playoff level yet but we surely won’t be last place.

by The Devil Wears Prado on May 6, 2010 3:43 PM EDT reply actions  

This is definitely a last place team

Unless Miami falls flat on their faces….

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by Kurupt on May 6, 2010 4:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

that’s why they play the games

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on May 6, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

and I think he meant league-wide last place

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by Undee on May 6, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

It seems like the 3-4 has many more possibilities and packages

We’ve got room for a lot of substitution packages and ideas to work here. Seems a lot more flexible than the 4-3 was.

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by Dyl on May 6, 2010 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Thats exactly what Im thinking. We’ll have a lot of different looks to throw out there.

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by bflo on May 6, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good Explanation

Thank you for the explanation, as a big football fan, but never it player I appreciate when some takes the time to explain things.

Here's to hoping I have something to cheer about after the bye.

by Russell93 on May 6, 2010 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Question

Where do our undersized 4-3 LBs fit into this equation? Ellison, Nic Harris, & to a lesser extent, Byan Scott. Will they mostly be special teams contributors, or could we see a package on 3rd and super-long(not that I expect many of these) ?

by #1 pick in '11 on May 6, 2010 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Where do our undersized 4-3 LBs fit into this equation? Ellison, Nic Harris, & to a lesser extent, Byan Scott. Will they mostly be special teams contributors, or could we see a package on 3rd and super-long(not that I expect many of these) ?

You’ll see them mostly on special teams and on obvious passing downs as a nickel linebacker where they can use their speed and cover ability to disrupt passing lanes.

by Jeff Winters on May 6, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Nic Harris could almost be the best Nickel LB we have. Just basing that off the fact he was a Safety in college that was switched to a LB. I think that could be a nice little niche for him.

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by bflo on May 6, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could be. It also wouldn’t shock me if Harris didn’t make the active roster because other linebackers fit our scheme better and our linebacking situation in general isn’t in good shape, especially long-term.

by Jeff Winters on May 6, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I could see that also. Wouldnt be suprised either way. He could be a good nickel LB… or he could be on a new team come week 1… it’ll be a wait an see with a few fringe players…

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by bflo on May 6, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d go with Ellison in that regard. He, too, was a safety, and he’s far more instinctive than Harris is. Bills fans really, really undersell what Ellison brings to the table.

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by Brian Galliford on May 6, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didnt realize Ellison was an ex-safety. And yes I believe I undersell him… Guilty.

Am I wrong in thinking that someone like Harris, like Ellison (ex-safety with some size) would be the perfect fit for a nickel backer?

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by bflo on May 6, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, you hit the nail on the head. Those fast, undersized linebackers who are good in coverage don’t fit the 3-4 system, but they do have their uses in any defense.

by Jeff Winters on May 6, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alright cool. I was thinking correct then.

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by bflo on May 6, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Out of the undersized linebackers, Ellison is the one who has the safest job. He’s a nickel ’backer in this defense through and through.

by Jeff Winters on May 6, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any chance we play more 4-3 this year than everyone seems to think? I thought I remembered Gailey/Edwards saying that we would play both schemes depending on how well the players translate.

by #1 pick in '11 on May 6, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this year youll see some 4-3 looks too. Depending on who we play and what kind of game is going on… but I think the overall thing is to be a 3-4 defense… so maybe a 90%-10%: 3-4 to 4-3 defense.

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by bflo on May 6, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that seems reasonable. I like Nic Harris for some reason not sure why, maybe it’s the fact that his twitter name is Jetson_Elroy.

by #1 pick in '11 on May 6, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont really underappreciate him...

I just didnt think he was a great NFL starting LB…He made several behind the line stops on 3 & short and 4th & short…I liked Nic Harris in college though, and I thought he would be a great fit for the T2, but now thats gone, I still like Harris, he is the only LB we had on the roster (when Nix took over) with true size and athletic ability. Is he still able to get to the PS or did he play in too many games due to the LB injuries last year.

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by NorCal BillsFan on May 6, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you could still see Ellison and Harris make the team

Harris has a decent sized frame, and he could bulk up.

Ellison can’t get much bigger.

But… both could be decent nickel and dime linebackers. I feel better about Ellison and/or Harris lining up at ILB on 3rd and 10 than Posluszny, Mitchell, and especially Davis.

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by Der Jaeger on May 6, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bryan Scott goes back to safety where he belongs.

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by MattRichWarren on May 8, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have to say, and its probably long overdue, that I really appreciate the articles, blogs and comments on this site. it really provides a wealth of information for the novice fan to the football junkie. Also the opinions, which can run the gamut, always give me another point of view to think of. Thanks again for your service and contributions!

by blknites on May 6, 2010 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Shout out to Jeff

Jeff got out a shout out by Tim Graham the ESPN AFC East Blogger. The Joique Bell article. Congrats

if you are an insider…
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by The Devil Wears Prado on May 6, 2010 5:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I clicked that link and the first thing I saw was a rumor linking JaMarcus Russell to the Bills. I’ll take that as an ill omen.

by Jeff Winters on May 6, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I blame the people here who said “GET TEH SAVVY VETERAN” whenever any QB was rumored to be released before the draft, including Marc freakin’ Bulger.

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by UZ on May 6, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great to see the 3-4

Well done piece. Although I hate using the 3-4 in Strat :-)

by FergusonQB12 on May 6, 2010 6:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

These are all tough changes

and we’re going to lose a bunch of games in the next couple of years. But I really feel like it is important to go to the 3-4 even if we don’t have personnel yet, and to build for the long-term like Chix are doing. In a couple of years we’re going to have a totally different foundation than we had in the previous rebuilding phases.

We can’t stomp dead the old carcass of losing without expecting a little stink and pained noise to come out of it.

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by Dyl on May 6, 2010 7:18 PM EDT reply actions  

BTW, great article

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft Owen Marecic in 2011" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on May 6, 2010 7:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Very solid article. Quite frankly, I wouldn’t mind Schobel not coming back for two reasons:

1) We are not making the playoffs even with him; it’s going to be a pretty long re-building project imo. and if he returned I would have a hard time believing he would continue to play in 2011, especially since I’m confident we’ll have a very rough season – something that won’t exactly motivate him to come back

2) To me, we need to throw Maybin at the wolves and see what happens. The guy’s ideal position is on the weak side, as he’s not very good at all at taking on blockers. The guy is a ridiculous athlete with an insane first step and therefore a very good fit at ROLB.

"The one commonality in both places (Oakland and Buffalo) is an aging owner who keeps interfering too much. Ralph Wilson continually butts his nose in the football operation and tells the team who to draft"

by BillsfanfromDenmark on May 7, 2010 3:56 AM EDT reply actions  

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