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Schefter: Bills still after Ravens OT Jared Gaither

ESPN's Adam Schefter, citing NFL sources, is reporting via Twitter that the Baltimore Ravens are still expected to trade OT Jared Gaither prior to the start of the season - and that the Buffalo Bills are the leading suitor.

Schefter's tweet in full: "NFL sources still expect Ravens OT Jared Gaither to be traded before season and Bills are most likely destination - they want him."

Schefter's ESPN cohort, Tim Graham, has embellished the report, claiming that the Bills have been "aggressively pursuing Gaither behind the scenes."

Buffalo's roster is currently devoid of top talent at the tackle position, and as it stands right now, Demetrius Bell, Jamon Meredith, Jason Watkins and rookie Ed Wang would all stand at least a small chance of being the opening-day starter at left tackle. Bell, thanks to his eight starts on the left side, is the most experienced option among that group.

Reports circulated prior to the 2010 NFL Draft that the Ravens were seeking a second-round pick for the 6'9", 330-pound Gaither, whom the team has moved to right tackle to make way for Michael Oher on the blind side. Gaither had been Baltimore's left tackle for the past two seasons. It's unclear what sort of compensation they are seeking now.

Gaither, 24, a restricted free agent, was tendered at the first-round level in March. Whichever team acquires him will need to get a contract extension in place for him as well.

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What are his weaknesses?

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on May 7, 2010 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

laziness

Draft Eric Decker in the 3rd!!! Eric Decker > Jordan Shipley > Arrelious Benn

by NordicBillsfan on May 7, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t call it laziness. He’s not JaMarcus Russell. He just doesn’t get after it as hard as he should to be his absolute best. Because seriously, this kid’s got it ALL, and should be one of the best 2-3 OTs in the league. He’s not there yet, and people question whether he’ll ever get to that level.

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by Brian Galliford on May 7, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, what is the highest compensation you would give up for him?

Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!

"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown

by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

And why wouldn't the Cowboys out bid us?

Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!

"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown

by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because the Cowboys just traded for Alex Barron.

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by Brian Galliford on May 7, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

dam!!!! when did that happen?

Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!

"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown

by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yesterday.

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by Brian Galliford on May 7, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Barron for Carpenter.

The more I see, the less I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 7, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I might be jumping the gun there. The trade isn’t official yet, but all indications are that it’ll go through, most likely today.

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by Brian Galliford on May 7, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shutdown Corner wrote about it as if it was official.

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by UZ on May 7, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently all they’re waiting on is for Barron to sign his RFA tender.

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by Brian Galliford on May 7, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

The trade isn’t official yet, but all indications are that it’ll go through, most likely today

but Brian – what about their plan? what are they doing up there? why didn’t they address LT, QB AND OLB with their first 2 picks?

bunch of morons at OBD I guess….

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on May 7, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

What?

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by Brian Galliford on May 7, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

gotta be sarcasm

It is Brohm’s Bills jersey that is the least stained with doo-doo... GO BILLS

by killascript on May 7, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya – it was (obviously) a poor attempt – but I was trying to bring in all the criticisms since the draft of the FO into this because if the deal does happen then we really have made some solid headway

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on May 7, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m with J2 – see my post below. I believe this was always in Nix’s plans, and that he specifically waited until after the draft to really move on it because he didn’t want to give up one of this year’s draft picks.

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by thefourwinds on May 7, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please don't act like Gaither is already on the roster. IF and that is a BIG IF

CHIX do sign Gaither for a second or less, I will give them their due….just like I have done in the past.

Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!

"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown

by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

we’re not acting like he’s on the roster, we’re saying what would happen if he became a bill

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on May 7, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

well then, until that happens, CHIX draft strategy remains highly questionable, IMO.

Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!

"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown

by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

yes, in your opinion it remains questionable.

to me, coming from the old addage you have to run and stop the run – I really liked this draft

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on May 7, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

The two most important positions on ANY football team is QB and LT

I would probably like this draft a lot more if we didn’t have those two gaping holes in our roster……and Spiller better be a freaking stud!

Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!

"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown

by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even if we had a pro-bowl LT and Jim Kelly in his prime, we aren’t winning the super bowl this year. So give it at least a season before you start with the baselessly bashing management.

by #1 pick in '11 on May 7, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

If my bashing is baseless, then so is your support....think about it.

Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!

"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown

by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wrong

I might blindly support the Bills no matter what, but I have nothing to judge the management on. I can’t judge the moves they have made yet because there is no on the field product. How can you say the draft was bad before any of the players even step on the field?!

by #1 pick in '11 on May 7, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are you taking about????

You have no opinion on the draft? You have no opinion on the moves CHIX made prior to the draft? Good for you I guess, but that is not how I roll.

And I have never said the draft was bad. There is middle ground between Good and bad.

Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!

"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown

by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the draft was overall pretty good. But I’ll wait until I actually see the players play before I criticize or praise OBD. I don’t scout college players for a living, ppl at OBD do, so I will give them at least a few months before I come for their heads ; )

by #1 pick in '11 on May 7, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

If everyone here had to be professionals before

giving their opinions about the Bills, it would be a very quiet blog indeed ;-)

Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!

"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown

by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spot on

None of us are pros – and if we don’t like someones opinion we don’t have to read it either. Well put Joe.

3 AM Monday morning games all 2010 - that's just freakin dandy !

by Will G on May 7, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

by the way how was the draft weekend?

Did you rock out at the party?

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by poz on May 7, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was a good weekend Poz !

Being honest mate, I nearly destroyed my 112 inch screen when they announced the Spiller pick – but loved the rest of the draft and even learned to calm down and accept the Spiller pick :)

I collected 7 bottles of makers mark, 1 bottle of elijah craig, a bottle of turkey and a bottle of bookers for my b’day as well – so it was a very very good weekend !!!

3 AM Monday morning games all 2010 - that's just freakin dandy !

by Will G on May 7, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

A very good weekend?!?
I collected 7 bottles of makers mark

I wish I could get 7 bottles of good Bourbon…cheap-azz family & friends I guess…nice

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by NorCal BillsFan on May 7, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is an awesome collection of liquor

looks like your friends and fam know what you love! No lame ties or shirts here! Love it!

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by poz on May 7, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

No socks or Jocks either !

Yeah my friends are well trained – family – well not so well trained !

Got 2 bottles left – on holidays this week – 1 will go bye bye with a round of golf tomorrow – i wonder why I suck at golf – I do everything right ! I have crappy old clubs, drink about 6 – 8 bourbons before I get there, then take a 2 litre coke with the balance of the bourbon in it and down it over the front nine !

There’s probably a reason I dont take the “driving carts” but I cant think of what that might be ?? :)

LOL If I drove a cart it would remind me of the “jackass” movie I think :(

3 AM Monday morning games all 2010 - that's just freakin dandy !

by Will G on May 10, 2010 4:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

just like I have done in the past.

You’re implying you’ve ever said a positive word about them.

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by UZ on May 7, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope....not implying....saying it straight up!

Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!

"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown

by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m gonna guess that J2 thought you meant the Bills-Gaither trade being official, rather than the Barron-Carpenter deal.

by Jeff Winters on May 7, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Cowboys love Doug Free. Or, I should say, Jerry Jones loves Doug Free.

by Jeff Winters on May 7, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d give up a 3 for him, and a future 4 that could escalate to another 3 based on performance and such.

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by Brian Galliford on May 7, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

do you mean a 2nd and a 3rd?

Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!

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by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I mean what I said. :) By “future 4,” I am talking 2012 NFL Draft. So 2011 3rd, 2012 4th that could move to a 3rd.

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by Brian Galliford on May 7, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, that would be a steal. If Gaither is as good as you say, then why not give up the 2nd?

Besides, the Ravens are not the Raiders….no way they let him go for less than a 2nd. Didn’t they try to get a first for him before the draft?

Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!

"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown

by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t be upset at all if they did it for a 2 straight up. And Gaither can be as good as I say. He’s not anywhere near there yet.

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by Brian Galliford on May 7, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Peters

Didn’t we get a 2nd round pick for Peters?

by jpheff on May 7, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

1st and 4th in 2009; 6th or 7th in 2010

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by Der Jaeger on May 7, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know Peters was ostensibly “All Pro” but still getting Gaither for second rounder feels good to me.

by jpheff on May 7, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was a 6.

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by Brian Galliford on May 7, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fact remains

that they could NOT get a 2nd before the draft, so likely a deal like Brian suggests will be the best they get offered. Think the McGahee deal. A 3rd, then the following yeas 3rd.

If we gave up a 2nd (assuming the Bills dont want to give up multiple picks) then we should attempt tp get a 4th or something back as change because clearly the market does not think Gaither is worth a 2nd.

The biggest shame is that we have nothing (player wise) to offer the Ravens. Pity they couldn’t use Whitner or Lynch and a lower pick !

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by Will G on May 7, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is a bit of a Log Jam at RB so maybe the Ravens could be a good match for Lynch.

by tkiller314 on May 7, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rice, McGahee, McClain… Lynch doesnt fit there either.

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by bflo on May 7, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be great. I would still do the 2 straight up as well. LTs are expensive, justifiably or not.

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by kgun201 on May 7, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is excactly what I thought

when I saw the title of this report…a 3rd next year and a conditional 4th to a 3rd based PT and accolades,

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by NorCal BillsFan on May 7, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Bills are reluctant to give up a 2nd and that’s precisely why the trade hasn’t happened yet. Personally, I’d be hesitant about giving up a real high 2nd for him and would try to pry him away for less than a 2nd.

by Jeff Winters on May 7, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

if they don’t get him they’re going to have to first 2nd round pick of the draft along with the 1st, 3rd, 4th…

by telka on May 7, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I concur....

I’d give up a 3rd in the next draft and then another 3rd the year after if he makes a Pro Bowl, or something. If we get Gaither that would mean we’d have a serious wedge between our veteran tackles and our projects… which is ideal. If Cornell Green and Gaither could capably hold down those spots… when they depart we might have some young guys ready to take their place.

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by ForeignArrow on May 7, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we get Gaither, you dont think Bell would be the RT? I think that’s a perfect spot for him

by BillsfanDan on May 7, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yessir.

If we got Gaither… we would have Bell, Meredith and Green all competing for the RT job… which is good for all of them and us. They all get better and we get the best one starting. It would be a win-win.

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by bflo on May 7, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is my first post but I think if we can address this with a guy like gaither we might be better off than people think. Number one: it improves the chance that we find a legit starter in our bunch of quarterbacks we have now. Number two: gaither is still only 24 years old! I say pull the trigger its worth it

by bflobills3 on May 7, 2010 4:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You bring up an excellent point about the QB situation. With better protection we have a better shot at finding the better QB. Nice.

The problem with you making a good point on your first post is that now you have high expectations. Keep it up!

by BillsfanDan on May 8, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fingers Crossed

Let’s hope we can snap him up and Gailey can light a fire under him.

by brucesmithistheman on May 7, 2010 1:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I second that motion

Here's to hoping I have something to cheer about after the bye.

by Russell93 on May 7, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

if all it realistically takes is a 2nd Round pick..........

I dont see why a deal hasnt happened………

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by norcaliangelsfan on May 7, 2010 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

especially the Bills second round pick, which is likely to be a high one

Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!

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by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

This guy has first-round talent and you wouldn’t trade second rounder for him? Boy I would.

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by MattRichWarren on May 7, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think the posters above are saying that they wouldnt trade our second for him. Rather, I think they are just surprised that Baltimore hasn’t jumped all over the deal being that our pick will likely be a very high 2nd. (All assuming that we have indeed already offered up our 2nd)

by #1 pick in '11 on May 7, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re-reading it I get it now. :-)

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by MattRichWarren on May 7, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I absolutely agree.....

I would make this move in a heartbeat. If they make this move, I would even give them credit for having a pretty good draft. I could even tolerate the current QB situation with a good LT watching their back.

I'll stop whining, when I stop caring!

by UtahBillsFan on May 7, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

contract

I’m surprised how many people keep forgetting the fact we will want him signed to a long term deal before a trade is finalized

by lonestar_ak on May 7, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey im not against a reasonable young left tackle thatll easily be plugged in as a starter.

by buffalo bennie on May 7, 2010 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I would feel

So much better about this offseason, if we were able to get Gaither. He’s a great talent, and would come in and solidify the line immediately. Then if we could get wood back, our line doesn’t look so putrid anymore. Give them a 2nd and a 6th and bring him in, sign him for 4-5 years and call left tackle addressed and move on. Just gotta make sure he keeps his work ethic up. Goodness I hope we get this done

by BMWdrummerman777 on May 7, 2010 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Getting Gaither would be pretty awesome. That way we go from a couple of projects at OT to a surprisingly deep team at the position.

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by UZ on May 7, 2010 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

This

Gaither and Green as the starters with a partially battle tested swing tackle (Bell) and a developmental OT (Wang)…. that’s what NFL-quality depth charts look like.

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by Der Jaeger on May 7, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

in a year or two i think i would like to see bell at left and gaither at right… just because of athletic fits… as long as bell continues to develop

by dav630 on May 7, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

You think Green is better than Bells for RT? I feel like Bell has the tools to be a pretty good RT, as well, gaining that experience he needs.

by BillsfanDan on May 7, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right now yes, but nest year, no. Bell still has a lot to learn.

The more I see, the less I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 8, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

but only for 2010

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft Owen Marecic in 2011" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on May 8, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Nix is really after him, then next year's second rounder would already be gone.

So I’m skepticle about the accuracy of this report. However I would LOVE for it to happen.

Let’s send over this next year’s second rounder now if thats all that they want. If they want more, then throw in a 5th rounder too!

Although personally I think that this is the hickup in the deal, the Ravens want a second rounder AND another pick (and now they are just settleing on the other pick). Also a long term deal might be should be part of this deal. If we can’t sign Gaither long term then he’s not worth it.

Also if we can get Gaither no for one of next year’s picks it the best type of trade there is. We get him now, he immidietly makes our team better, and more competitive. Meanwhile we win a couple more games and that makes the second rounder that we sent Baltimore’s way worth less. It’s win-win for us!

The more I see, the less I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 7, 2010 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Remember...

our second rounder next year may be the most desired pick in the draft…I wouldn’t give it up at all…a 3rd in 2011 (maybe a 5th too) and a 4th in 2012 with conditions allowing it to go to a 3rd

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by NorCal BillsFan on May 7, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we get Gaither there is no way that we’re the worst team in football. With Bell starting at LT, maybe. But I don’t for one second think that we’re the worst team in football right now. Take away the 10-15 sacks that our LT’s would give away now, and more importantly give our QB more time in the pocket (which is what Gaither would do), and we probably become middle of the pack. hello 7-9!

The more I see, the less I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 7, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't trade our 2nd...

he is leaving BAL next year anyways…we have more leverage.

Nix can easily tell Ozzie “Look, I dont need him now, I just want him now. I’m not even under any pressure to win for the next 2 yrs. so I can wait until he’s a UFA, we’re gonna have to pay him anyway. Your defense is getting old, Ray Lewis can’t play forever, and your DBs can’t cover grass. Are you sure a 3rd next year and another 4th in 2012 wont help your team improve more than having a solid RT for a year? I’m jus’ sayin Ozzie.”

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by NorCal BillsFan on May 7, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

come on NorCal!

you know as well as we all do how much trouble we have convincing players to come to Buffalo! We never get the big shot free agents and Gaither will be the best lineman available, let alone he plays the all important LT position. We wont stand a chance. Right now we can get him and give him the deal he wants now. We have little leverage. A fair deal is a 2nd for Gaither and both teams are in no position of strength so lets just do it that way.

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by poz on May 7, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Total agree Poz, rec'd.

Nix, pull the trigger, pleeeeease!

I'll stop whining, when I stop caring!

by UtahBillsFan on May 7, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha...

I know, but still if I were Nix, I would downplay the Ravens need for him and my urgency to get better and prop up the possibilties of the picks I am offering and the inevitibility that Gaither is gone for nothing after the year…you know, throw a sales pitch. I doubt he would ever come to BLo on his own accord, but Nix doesn’t have to acknowledge it.

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by NorCal BillsFan on May 7, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why wouldn't Ozzie just laugh at him then?

“Good look finding your franchise QB, LT and a pass rusher any time soon”

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by Kurupt on May 7, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly....rec'd

I hope CHIX don’t try and get cute and lose Gaither like they lost Tebow……which reminds me….Ozzie owes us…come on man….cough up Gaither !!!

Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!

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by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope CHIX don’t try and get cute and lose Gaither like they lost Tebow

???

How exactly did he get ‘cute?’ He didn’t make a single move. And if he didnt want Clausen in the second, what makes you think he would want to move back up into the first to get Tebow.

by BFFL on May 7, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn

Knew someone would take offense…:) You make a valid point. But prepare for rebuttal…..

by buffalobacker on May 7, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was widely reported that the Bills were devastated when the Ravens accepted the Cows deal instead of

whatever offer the Bills were making. Of course, now CHIX deny it. I’m not buying it.

Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!

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by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

They never said that the deal was for Tebow.

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by UZ on May 7, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

CHIX didn't say it was for Tebow......Adam Shefter and a few others said it was.

Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!

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by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, well, when we traded back into the first round in ’06, everyone KNEW it was for Winston Justice, too. Bam – John McCargo.

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by Brian Galliford on May 8, 2010 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hahahha....and how did that work out???

To be honest, I can’t remember who thought what in 06. CHIX wasn’t in charge then….does it really matter?

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by Joe P. on May 8, 2010 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just saying that what the public perception is, and what’s reported, isn’t always the truth.

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by Brian Galliford on May 8, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tim Graham’s article seems to suggest that we purposely didn’t draft a LT high because we want Gaither. It’s also pretty interesting that the Ravens moved Gaither to RT today.

by Jeff Winters on May 7, 2010 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

The question is: Is Michael Oher better than Gaither at LT?

Fatang Fatang.

by NeverendingOptimism on May 7, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s a better fit athletically.

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by Brian Galliford on May 7, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I just read that Gaither is 6’9" and 300 lbs. Yeah… he’s big for an LT.

Fatang Fatang.

by NeverendingOptimism on May 7, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

330, actually.

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by Brian Galliford on May 7, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder

if the symantics being played out right now (Gaither is currently a RT according to the Ravens) is what’s slowing the process down. meaning, if the Bills need to get an extension in place before this goes down is it with Gaither being given RT money or LT money becuase there is a huge difference obviously.

by gatornation on May 7, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

It depends

on where the Bills play him, not the Ravens roster designation…they have him at RT so that they can say he is still a starter, if he were listed as a LT, he would be the #2 LT.

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by NorCal BillsFan on May 7, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Peters was 340

and seemed to do allright for himself at LT.

3 AM Monday morning games all 2010 - that's just freakin dandy !

by Will G on May 7, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

their previous stalwart at LT (jonathan ogden) was something like 6’9 375

by quantumuprising on May 7, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oher wasn’t a better LT than Gaither last year. However, Oher has the potential to be complete shut-down LT because of his athleticism. Gaither is more of a road-grader with slightly less athletic ability.

by Jeff Winters on May 7, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Road- grader

By that I’m assuming you mean better run blocker than pass? If so that would fit into what Chan wants to establish a strong running game.

by buffalobacker on May 7, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tim Graham’s article seems to suggest that we purposely didn’t draft a LT high because we want Gaither. It’s also pretty interesting that the Ravens moved Gaither to RT today.

Jeff Winters, this is exactly what I was assuming. If this trade happens, does that mean all the whiners will shut up about Nix’s offseason plans? I’m also thinking Nix didn’t want to make this trade before the draft because that would have meant giving up a pick in this year’s draft, rather than pushing it off until next year.

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by thefourwinds on May 7, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

the whiners wont stop

Instead, they’ll just say “hey we got our Franchise LT we never should have passed on a franchise QB like Clausen or McCoy!!!”

Draft Eric Decker in the 3rd!!! Eric Decker > Jordan Shipley > Arrelious Benn

by NordicBillsfan on May 7, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

you can downplay it as much as you want, but you still can’t avoid the fact that that couldve been a very good idea.

by quantumuprising on May 7, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don’t see a guy in this past draft at QB who will be more than a David Carr. A couple guys with talent. Nobody spectacular, even Bradford. Teams were right to pass on guys like Clausen and McCoy and Tebow could be the bust of the decade (if he’s not the coup of the decade).

by dougery on May 7, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way Tebow is a bigger bust than

J. Russell, and I, my friend, am no Capt. Snipit fan…

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by NorCal BillsFan on May 7, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never really liked either and have been saying since February that we should wait until next year to draft a QB.

Meanwhile Nix has essentially fixed our D, with only the pas rushing OLB spot left to question (and Maybin may be the answer). I think that Nix’s plan is becoming clearer and clearer, and if this trade happens he’ll be a genious GM in my eyes.

The more I see, the less I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 7, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd

"If we can put four quarters together, that's the objective. Let's see how somebody else feels playing from behind." (TWCS)

by norcaliangelsfan on May 7, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd

Some make it happen, some watch it happen and some ask, what happened?

by fansince60 on May 7, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too, rec'd

I'll stop whining, when I stop caring!

by UtahBillsFan on May 7, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry, but I have been banned from drinkthekoolaid.com, so you will have to excuse me for thinking independently.

and you think we have? people think in different ways, Joe

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on May 7, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd

"If we can put four quarters together, that's the objective. Let's see how somebody else feels playing from behind." (TWCS)

by norcaliangelsfan on May 7, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for having my back norcali ;-)

Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!

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by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

anytime :-)

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by norcaliangelsfan on May 7, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guys

instead of typing Rec’d, you just go to the actions potion on the bottom right of his comment and click Rec. After 4 people do it, his comment will turn green. I will sart.

by The Irishman on May 7, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec’d

Sorry I had to lol.

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by bflo on May 7, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did

on Joe’s. I think Texas was rec’d J2.

Some make it happen, some watch it happen and some ask, what happened?

by fansince60 on May 7, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

no way

I love it when people say “rec” its great to know where support is coming from!

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by poz on May 7, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course if you type rec click it too!

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by poz on May 7, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

I see “Rec’d” all the time…but the parent post has no “Rec’d” actions

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by NorCal BillsFan on May 7, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is no good!

Thats like being the guy trying to start a fight with no intention of fighting because he knows he’s being held back!

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by poz on May 7, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let me at him! I'll kick his ass!

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by NorCal BillsFan on May 7, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd

Some make it happen, some watch it happen and some ask, what happened?

by fansince60 on May 7, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd

Some make it happen, some watch it happen and some ask, what happened?

by fansince60 on May 7, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

ooops

I’m stuttering

Some make it happen, some watch it happen and some ask, what happened?

by fansince60 on May 7, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're on a roll Joe! Rec'd

I'll stop whining, when I stop caring!

by UtahBillsFan on May 7, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crying about everything the regime does no matter what it is ONLY because it doesn’t fit the perfect plan you thought up in your head that involved Rivera as our GM, Cowher as our coach and Bulaga and Clausen the newest Bills… is no better than blindly praising them for every single move they’ve made only because you think they’re the perfect combination.

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by UZ on May 7, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well to be fair

I wanted DeCosta, Cowher, Bulaga, and Tebow. And how does one “cry” on the computer? Is crying better or worse than the whining I apparently was doing before? Is pouting allowed or would I get labeled grumpy like Kurupt? And, if crying is no better than blindly praising then we are even so quit your b!tching :-)

Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!

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by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

GAH

Why am I always the one brought up? I’m a freakin’ ray of sunshine compared to a number of people on here!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on May 7, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.....life is not fair :-(

Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!

"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown

by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

you really should have a more positive outlook on the future of the Bills.........

being negative all the time isnt conductive to being a true fan.

Embrace the optimism K…………..it will be okay :-)

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by norcaliangelsfan on May 7, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah K.....quit being such a downer man

The first step is telling Captain Ron you are resigning your commission as 1st mate on the U.S.S. Apathy :-) Hahhahaha, now every time I think of Ron from NM, he will look like

Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!

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by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I think he actually kind of does

or something

~K
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by Kurupt on May 7, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

how does any post with this picture not have 400 recs?

I dont even care what the conversation is about. Captain Ron get rec’d all day

by BillsfanDan on May 9, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Crying in this sense was supposed to mean loudly complaining about

Which is slightly better than straight up whining!

Pouting is for the weak :)

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by UZ on May 7, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

It wouldn’t surprise me at all to learn that we’ve been in talks with the Ravens all along and that there was a gentleman’s agreement to wait until after the draft for the trade. It wouldn’t be the first time, and the Tony Gonzalez trade from last year is a good example of that scenario actually happening.

The more I see, the less I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on May 7, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about our first next year

for Gaitner and B-More’s second.

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by VanScottM on May 7, 2010 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

But our first pick could be Andrew Luck! We can’t get rid of it!

Fatang Fatang.

by NeverendingOptimism on May 7, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

100% no.

Very likely to be a top 5 pick…certainly not worth it for Gaither.

True Grit Tebow. How could you not want this kid on your team?

by Scrumtrulescent on May 7, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

So....

Gaither and and 2nd for Jake Locker?

Would you do that? Really….

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft Owen Marecic in 2011" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on May 7, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

we can’t forget players in this either: Parrish, Whitner, Lynch, Klopfenstein

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on May 7, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think a DB is the only position Baltimore would be looking to add.

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by kaisertown on May 7, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

even with Klopfenstein hanging out there?

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on May 7, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Baltimore drafted two tight ends and still has Todd Heap. Klopfenstein couldn’t even make their team, not that he can actually make the Bills either.

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by kaisertown on May 7, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on May 7, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice J2

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by NorCal BillsFan on May 7, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

Th Ravens are thin at CB with 2 coming off ACL tears. It be great if we could get him for lower than a 2nd rd pick if we threw in Youboty or Corner if Baltimore likes either.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on May 7, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gailey

I’m sure they covet his size and style for their run-first offense. U get a monster over their on the left side to run behind, the offense gets a ton better. We wouldn’t have to worry about the qb position so much cuz we can just hand it to one of our 3 amazing backs and just trample people. Levitre is pretty mobile, I think that would be a pretty formidable run front. And he’s got pretty good feet for pass protection to, so if we do ever need to drop back and let Brohm (yes I’m predicting he wins the job) chuck it down-field, he will have more than half a second to let routes develop. This pickup is critical to our team, I’m confident we get it done.

by BMWdrummerman777 on May 7, 2010 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Pats fan here...

…if you get Gaither, I would say that your drafting scheme would look a LOT better. Ignoring the tackles in the draft seemed weird and if you grab Gaither, the Spiller choice became a LOT more formidable.

by Richard Hill on May 7, 2010 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

It does

and it should further along the maturation process of this team in the long run. next year we’re talking QB, LB’s and maybe a DB.

by gatornation on May 7, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

totally agree

I won’t grade a draft for two years or so, but I can grade an offseason at any point and if Buffalo lands Gaither this offseason goes froma D to a B minus instantly. If Gailey’s true intention for the QB position is Brian Brohm (like some have speculated) and Brohm rewards that leap of blind faith with solid play, it could be an A minus…there’s still a long way to go for all of that to happen, but thism report is welcome news to me.

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by Port Royal on May 7, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree

but not on the DB they have a group of young guys who just need to get more experience they should spend first three picks next year on qb linebacker and either guard or center on where they want to move wood to

by gdiggidy13 on May 7, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Mcgee, florence

are each around/over 30 and aside from McKelvin we don’t have starting caliber cb’s.

by gatornation on May 7, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why

With OT’s being such a premium are the Ravens trying to get rid of Him?

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by Goose22 on May 7, 2010 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it’s because they believe that Oher is the better left tackle and they don’t want to pay Gaither a fortune to play RT. He would leave in FA after this season if they don’t trade him.

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by kaisertown on May 7, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks

That makes sense.

If the Ravens don’t want to pay him and they face the prospect of him leaving in FA they might settle for a 3 to get a pick instead of nothing. Nix has an eye for talent and doesn’t seem like the type to overpay for a player.

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by Goose22 on May 7, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is why I am so happy this offseason...
Nix has an eye for talent and doesn’t seem like the type to overpay for a player.

IMO, This has been demonstrated already in FA…waiting for the dust to settle before getting involved (except the C. Green signing, I still dont like that one).

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by NorCal BillsFan on May 7, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

well said...rec'd

Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!

"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown

by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nix

Get’er Done!

I got nothing.

by Jason from OH-IO on May 7, 2010 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

PLEASE

It is Brohm’s Bills jersey that is the least stained with doo-doo... GO BILLS

by killascript on May 7, 2010 1:47 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

wow

I was going to post something very long on the bottom about how badly I want this to happen but you summed up all my thoughts killa. Rec’d. I echo that thought:

PLEASE

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by poz on May 7, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

with all the talk of OTs

how we need one, and how we have to get one no matter what, and also after we sniffed around McNabb, were linked to talks about Campbell and then didn’t draft a QB or a Tackle… it would be nice to just trade a 2nd rounder and some conditional pick for a monster at the LT spot. Then a battle for RT, a nice interior of the line, a TE with lots of potential, some good RBs, and then even if the QBs don’t make it happen… get the best damn QB we can in the draft next year or bust. What’s his name Locker? the most athletic passer in the draft with a live arm? Make it happen… lets watch something fun this year… an LT makes it fun at least to talk about with all the negativity being thrown around.
CHIX or whatever the colective is being called is definitely patient

It is Brohm’s Bills jersey that is the least stained with doo-doo... GO BILLS

by killascript on May 7, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scounts, Inc.

gave him a 74.

Here’s what they said about him: bq. Gaither is a young, ascending player and the Ravens’ starting left tackle. He has tremendous size, particularly with his extreme height and overall length, to man the blind side. However, there are times when his high center of gravity is used against Gaither. Gaither remains a work in progress but is a punishing finisher in Baltimore’s power blocking scheme. As he gains experience, his hand placement and understanding of his opponent will improve.

The highest grade currently held by any OT according to them is Joe Thomas with a 90.

by Renegade23 on May 7, 2010 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Friday’s are always good days, therefor I expect, no I demand that this deal be done by 5pm! Probably not though…

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by Ghetts on May 7, 2010 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Also of note: Gaither’s size (6’9", 330) and athleticism are remarkably similar to Chargers LT Marcus McNeill (6’7", 336), one of the absolute best picks SD made while Nix was out west.

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by Brian Galliford on May 7, 2010 2:00 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

And the comparisons keep coming....

Also, take a look at the 2011 draft OT’s available. Much, much weaker than the past two drafts.

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft Owen Marecic in 2011" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on May 7, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey Brian

curious for your thoughts on tall LTs. As I’ve mentioned a few times over the years, one of my best pals is a Steelers fan. He tells me Gaither would struggle against them because he can’t handle speed rushers as well as a LT should due to his height. You have any thoughts on this considering he’d be coming to a 3-4 division if we get him?

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by poz on May 7, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, in fairness – Ogden was 6-9 as was pretty good at it

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on May 7, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem that taller OTs have with the small, quick OLBs isn’t so much speed—it’s leverage. The small guys with long arms can get underneath a taller OT and effectively put him on rollerskates. To combat that, the tall OTs need to have exceptional athleticism, which guys like Gaither, McNeil, and Ogden have. Gaither only played one game against the Steelers last season; it was arguably his best game yet he did let up a QB pressure. Gaither did struggle against the Colts and Green Bay, which may give evidence to your friend’s theory.

by Jeff Winters on May 7, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

To add to my point above, the big issue that tall OTs run into is not bending their knees enough. I haven’t seen a ton of tape on Gaither, but I’d wager that’s his issue. You need a low anchor to fight off those pesky small pass rushers.

by Jeff Winters on May 7, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

great stuff

thanks Jeff! I appreciate the thorough answer. Out of curiosity, is there a type of pass rusher that height helps against?

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by poz on May 7, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tall Ones

:-p

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by NorCal BillsFan on May 7, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahahahahaha

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by poz on May 7, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tall OTs generally have very long arms. If the defender lets the OT get their hands into the defender’s chest, those long arms equal death for the defender. Battles in the trenches often come down to hand position, so a tall OT with long arms generally can get better hand position sooner than a shorter defender. That’s the exact reason everyone brings up arm length when discussing guys like Bulaga.

by Jeff Winters on May 7, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm all in on this trade

I would LOVE to add Gaither. I know he’s got work to become the player he is capable of becoming, but the talent is there. The experience is there. The already solid play is there. The YOUTH is there. Honestly, I feel this addition would be an absolute great move by the Bills, assuming it’s not for our 1st next year.

Think about it. The Bills could be adding a 24 year old LT, with experience, production and the ability to get much, much better. It would fill a gigantic void and provide a player the Bills can build around. Plus, if it’s for our 2nd rounder, for example, would we be in good position to get a better player next year there? There’s no guarantee there, while Gaither would give the Bills a rather proven commodity. Did I mention he’s only 24?

To me, it’s a no brainer. The team would still have the ability to solve their QB woes early next year, while giving the rookie QB a chance to succeed early by having a good player already established at LT.

I wonder how “close” this trade could actually be of occurring???

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by Kurupt on May 7, 2010 2:00 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I’m also wondering who else is in play here. If Dallas is out, then that leaves who?

by Renegade23 on May 7, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chicago?

Draft Eric Decker in the 3rd!!! Eric Decker > Jordan Shipley > Arrelious Benn

by NordicBillsfan on May 7, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

They drafted Chris Williams last year

I’m not sure they’re ready to bail on that yet.

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by Kurupt on May 7, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bears maybe..

But after not having picks in the 1st or 2nd round two years in a row hard to see the Bears willing to give anything more than a 3rd.

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by Goose22 on May 7, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t leave anybody that would likely have serious interest. KC, Oakland, Chicago and Detroit are darkhorses.

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by kaisertown on May 7, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not close to happening at all. Nothing is remotely imminent.

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by Brian Galliford on May 7, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

TWSS :-)

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by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice...

Thats not one I normally would pick up on there Joe…

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by NorCal BillsFan on May 7, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad someone thought so.....I laugh everytime I read it.

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by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

TWSSATT

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by NorCal BillsFan on May 7, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adding Gailey for a 2nd round pick would negate teh poor return on the Peters trade. In fact, when coupled together, I would give the Bills the win as a whole if they pulled it off.

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by Port Royal on May 7, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adding Gaither not Gailey, obviously...

Adding Chan Gailey has already been a dream come true.

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by Port Royal on May 7, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha!

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by Kurupt on May 7, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol.....oi vey

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by norcaliangelsfan on May 7, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahahahahahahaha

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by poz on May 7, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

My guess
I wonder how "close" this trade could actually be of occurring???

About as close as Rex Ryan can come to touching his toes.

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by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

Rex had lap band surgery and has lost over 50 LBS.

He might be close to touching his toes!

So let’s hope!

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by The Buffalo Kid on May 7, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good for Rex....I wonder if that would work for Russell?????

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by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think so...

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by NorCal BillsFan on May 7, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be Christmas in May

7 months early (for me) if we get this guy. THEN, the outlook of this team’s improvement accelerates dramatically!

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by fansince60 on May 7, 2010 2:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Especially on MADDEN!

: )

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by NorCal BillsFan on May 7, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

You weren't happy

with Bells 52 rating – LOL

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by Will G on May 7, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know...

I thought they could at least give him a break…being the bastard son of POS like Malone.

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by NorCal BillsFan on May 7, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where's the love ?

The guys obviously a pure athlete – oh yeah thats right – false starts and illegal formation penalties come into it right ? :)

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by Will G on May 10, 2010 4:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I laughed so hard when I saw he was the worst rated LT in madden.

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by UZ on May 7, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

yeah my mate and I play it where we fantasy draft each others teams and dont allow free agents. We also allow 2 draft vetos (IE I select 2 draft picks every year he cant sign)

Yup, he ended up with Bell at LT, Chris Ellis at RT and a couple of other ex Bills along the way :)

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by Will G on May 10, 2010 4:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Get this done

it would be huge

We are a lot better with him at LT

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by billsoferie on May 7, 2010 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Could we be seeing strategic thinking from CHIX?

If so it would be a welcome change at OBD….and it looks like it may be so.

CHIX needed a DT, DE and playmaker out of the draft to make things interesting in Buffalo in 2010. To be really competitive the team needs a pair of OTs, a QB and an OLB.

CHIX got the DE, DT and playmaker in the draft. Gaither would be the left tackle, leaving the projects and Raiders cast off to duke it out at RT. CHIX will roll with Edwards or Brohm this year with an eye towards getting a QB in the 2011 draft if/when the QB position is still an issue in December. If Buffalo gets Gaither for a 2011 2nd then the OLB will be a 3rd rounder. If CHIX gets Gaither for a pair of 3rd rounders then the OLB will be a 2nd round pick.

Buffalo could emerge from the 2011 draft without any gaping holes. A two draft turn around would be a hell of an achievement for CHIX.

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by MattRichWarren on May 7, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even with Gaither, let's suppose the team still finishes low in the ultra-competitive AFC East.

And, the QB doesn’t work out. I’d feel much better about putting Jake Locker or Christian Ponder behind Gaither-Levitre-Hangarter-Wood-Green with a year to see if Wood has recovered, with Calloway and Bell as reserves. We’ll know a lot more about Johnson, Hardy and Nelson. And the defense will have a year to solidify.

Sounds like a much better situation for a rookie QB to come into.

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft Owen Marecic in 2011" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on May 7, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amen. That line could have the makings of something special with 3 starters all under 25. Then if Bell ever puts it together watch out.

by #1 pick in '11 on May 7, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, If Bell/Wang/Scott at T and Calloway at G pan out...

We’d have a solid and young OL:
LT-Gaither
LG-Levitre
C-Wood
RG-Calloway
RT-Bell/Wang/Scott (I dont like C. Green)

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by NorCal BillsFan on May 7, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who is Scott?

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by Kurupt on May 7, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duhhhhhhhhh

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by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

not to mention

it should put the onus on whoever the QB is this year that the line is not going to be an excuse. the QB either performs well or they aren’t going to be here.

by gatornation on May 7, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well said.

Hey DJ, could I ask why you are starting the ‘draft Owen Marecic’ bandwagon, do you think he’s that good of a FB or do you really like how he plays? JW.

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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on May 7, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

In my opinion, he’s the best blocking FB the draft has seen in a long time.

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by kaisertown on May 7, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Sam Gash type,

man I loved him in a Bills uni. Thanks

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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on May 7, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

What Kaisertown said

And, he plays with a reckless abandon and physicality that could boost any team he plays on.

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft Owen Marecic in 2011" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on May 8, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I think he’s even better technically then he is as a physical presence. It’s incredible how consistently he finds a defender and takes him out of the play.

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by kaisertown on May 9, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

All I can say is I hope OBD gets this done.

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by pasaluki on May 7, 2010 2:25 PM EDT reply actions  

There’s far too much hope on this discussion. I think Gailey told Nix to leak this on the first day of rookie camp to light a fire under Bell, Meredith and Wang.

by williamsDT on May 7, 2010 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

This isn’t coming from Buffalo, it’s coming from Baltimore. The NFL sources behind the article are in Baltimore – they’re trying to drive up the asking price.

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by Brian Galliford on May 7, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

So there is nothing confirming Buffalo’s interest in Gaither at all?

by Renegade23 on May 7, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

so you think Tim Graham is reporting the Bills are “aggressively pursuing Gaither” from Baltimore sources? How do you know?

by Buffalonian on May 7, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I put a LOT more stock in Schefter’s report, because that’s where the trade rumor originated from.

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by Brian Galliford on May 7, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doubt that would even be close

The Ravens aren’t in desperate need of a RB, even to backup Rice….

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by Kurupt on May 7, 2010 2:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

haha besides how many RB’s can we ship to Baltimore in one decade?

by Renegade23 on May 7, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

new decade this year ;-)

haha but I get what you’re saying. Theyre pretty set at RB with Rice, McGahee and McClain

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by bflo on May 7, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha yeah my bad. I’m in the middle of taking a take-home exam and not thinking straight.

by Renegade23 on May 7, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think a 3rd for Gaither would be highway robbery by the Bills.....not opposed to it mind you :-)

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by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ozzie won’t let us give up Gaither for a third. I think the reason the deal hasn’t happened yet is because a 2nd is not good enough.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 7, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that a 3rd is low

No way Ozzie is getting our 1st. If a high second is not good enough, he may have to look elsewhere.

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by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, is UFA status is not being taken into account enough...

The Ravens would (and I am sure of it) rather have two Friday picks than to lose Gaither after this year and get nothing in return, and what if he gets hurt too while still on the Ravens, then they dont get his services and he leaves after the year is out.

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by NorCal BillsFan on May 7, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point on being a UFA

One of the things IMO that is holding the Ravens back from trading Gaither is they have a solid team right now that has a chance at a Super Bowl win. Without a significant return, I don’t know if they want to mess with what they have. Although he has fallen out Harbaugh’s good graces…

by arbon78 on May 7, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will Gaither try to force Ozzie's hand by holding out......like Peters did to us?

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by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really doubt that would happen

Given the fact that there is a chance for lockout next season, I don’t see him missing out on his money this year just to turn around and not get paid next year either. IMO if this this is going to get done, it’s going to be up to Nix to make and offer that the Ravens want to accept because I don’t see them setteling on this deal.

by arbon78 on May 7, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do you think he wants? If it is a first.....dangerous game Ozzie would be playing.....he could end up with nothing in the end.

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by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tough to tell

This isn’t his first rodeo so to speak. Ozzie is one shrewd dude when it comes to personnel as I’m sure we all know. It wouldn’t surprise me if he were asking for a first, but there have been so many reports stating that they are willing to accept a 2nd round pick that it makes me wonder if it’s not Buffalo who isn’t willing to part with that pick.

No matter the asking price, I think Ozzie is willing to let this thing play out if the right offer doesn’t come along if for no other reason than Gaither was a supplemental 5th round pick and if he plays this year, they will have gotten four solid years out of him and a chance at a superbowl with him as a key piece.

by arbon78 on May 7, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

very true.....if Gaither is traded, who would be the starting RT and how much of a drop off would he be from Gaither?

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by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

No solid answer there

That’s part of the problem from the Ravens side. They don’t have anyone that they are clearly comfortable with taking over. Now they could shuffle their line and move their RG to RT or they have a developmental type of guy they spent a 3rd rounder on in 08, but he is unproven.

I think the Ravens would willingly trade Gaither for less, in order to ensure they get something in return for him, if they felt comfortable with his replacement. They are trying to make a run at the superbowl this year and that is a big factor in their being a tad trepidatious concerning this deal.

by arbon78 on May 7, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’d probably be Marshall Yanda sliding over from RG to RT and Chris Chester taking his spot at RG. They would still have one of the better run blocking groups in the league and would be above average as pass blockers too.

Oher-Grubbs-Birk-Chester-Yanda

And then Tony Moll and Oniel Cousins would give them adequate depth.

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by kaisertown on May 7, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok… We need an LT (Gaither)… Balt needs a safety and CB’s… what about Whitner and 3rd or 4th for Gaither. Or McKelvin and a 4th. I feel like I would pull the trigger if I was OBD with that.

Am I way off here guys?

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by bflo on May 7, 2010 2:32 PM EDT reply actions  

your in the realm of possibility but I don’t see baltimore having particular interest in either whitner or mckelvin and the virtue of trading mckelvin in somewhat questionable.

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by pasaluki on May 7, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m reluctant to trade McKelvin. Trading Whitner on the other hand I have zero problem with.

by Renegade23 on May 7, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

Draft Eric Decker in the 3rd!!! Eric Decker > Jordan Shipley > Arrelious Benn

by NordicBillsfan on May 7, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whitner is in the last year of his contract. If Buffalo isn’t willing to give him a nice contract to keep him around, they would be smart to trade him.

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by kaisertown on May 7, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its not that I want to trade McKelvin… but I see us in need of an LT is greater than our need for McKelvin. If that makes sense haha… Plus Balt needs CB help. Their both young and not “fully proven” yet.

But if they did it for Whit and a pick… Im all aboard for that one.

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by bflo on May 7, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but then you’re potentially solving one problem and creating another one. McKelvin has the potential to be our future starting CB, and maybe even as early as this season. You ship him off, and you’re one injury from starting Reggie Corner with nobody in the wings for the future.

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the Bills are really the last team that needs to be robbing from Peter to pay Paul.

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by pasaluki on May 7, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aye.

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by Dyl on May 7, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

True. But my thinking on that is I like our CB depth more than I like our LT depth. With an injury of course we would be a little down the creek without a paddle… But I just see Gaither as a bigger piece of the overall puzzle than McKelvin. Plus with McKelvin we were getting an excellent returner as well… well that isnt as important now with the addition of Spiller. Plus Roscoe is still only one year removed from setting the NFL record for punt return avg… we’re kind of stacked there.

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by bflo on May 7, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

still – at the very least trading McKelvin at this point would be foolish. If for nothing else, his stock is probably the lowest it’ll be and the Bills truly know what they have in him – which is a lot of potential. I know potential just means you haven’t done crap yet, but i’d be firmly against shipping of McKelvin right now. Yeah Gaither would definitely solve a huge need and positionally is also more important than McKelvin. But I think McKelvin would be one of my last options.

by Renegade23 on May 7, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree.

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by chaucer on May 7, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh youre right, I would much rather try to find a way to pull it off without trading McKelvin… I like the kid, I think he can be something good for us. And he could very well be the future CB for the next coming years. Just the thought of adding an LT of his calabre(sp?) is exciting.

Believe me if they would jump at Whit and a 3rd or 4th I would personally pack Whitners bags for him. lol

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by bflo on May 7, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

caliber

just in case you were truly curious

by Mindbender14 on May 7, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha – thank you.

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by bflo on May 7, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

The Ravens would except Youboty as part of the deal—-from what I understand (wink wink) he has plenty of poootential and as you stated the Ravens need CB’s.

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by Goose22 on May 7, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Youboty would work as well… But it would probably take Youboty and a 2nd as opposed to McKelvin and a 4th?

But I see where youre going with the (wink wink) haha.

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by bflo on May 7, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think the bills should get gaither without trading leodis.

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by chaucer on May 7, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leodis should NOT be traded!

Reports are he was the best looking player on the field at Minicamp today with a lot of pass blocks and interceptions too.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on May 7, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

he should be the best looking player out on the field......

he’s got the most NFL experience out of everyone there!

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by norcaliangelsfan on May 7, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best Looking?

Now were rating their appearance:) ?

by buffalobacker on May 7, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i thought marshawn was the best looking player?

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by chaucer on May 8, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where I dont really want to trade him… I wouldnt base NOT trading him on the fact that he looked good in the first day of rookie mini camp, being a 3rd year player.

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by bflo on May 7, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, we invested too much into him becoming the future at the CB position.

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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on May 7, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

how are people

really suggesting leodis? thats crazy!

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by silverstreak3k on May 8, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

McGee is getting old, isn’t he? Trading McKelvin would prove to be a mistake if McGee leaves the franchise soon…

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by UZ on May 7, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't see Baltimore having any interest in a McGee for Gaither trade

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by Kurupt on May 7, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why?

He is a solid CB with probably a solid 3 years left. Look how much an experienced corner like Jabari Greer helped the Saints last year.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on May 7, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

This isn't the NBA

trades like those don’t happen as often, well this off-season has been the exception.

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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on May 7, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking McGee and a 4th rd pick for Gaither.

I think it makes alot of sense.

McGee is 2 years older than Greer, but is a solid starter. The Ravens only used a 5th to draft Gaither. The Ravens are thin at CB. We would still have Florence and Leodis to Start. Youboty is pretty good when he is healthy. Corner still has room to improve. I think Lankster in another year or two could be pretty good. I think that would be better than a 2nd for us, and with the way ozzie evaluates talent, he has a CB to help now, and another pick to pick up another player next year.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on May 7, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could live with that,

I do like McGee as a player, but if we could do the 4th and him for Gaither, i’m all for it. It also does make sense for both teams, just highly doubt it’ll happen. Like I said, I would be on board with something like this, but then we need Leodis and Drayton to step it up, maybe Lankster could be a diamond in the rough. IMO.

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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on May 8, 2010 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

We spent an early #1 on Leodis.

We have to see what he can do. He has the talent and we still have George Catavolos as our secondary coach to coach up Leodis. If Buddy and Chan have the right strength and conditioning coaches in place, we have to have faith Leodis won’t get injured again.

I could be OK with Florence or McGee for Gaither with a 4th and a contract extension in place.

But I think McGee is the logical choice of the two, since he was a Charger when Buddy was there and McGee was from two previous regimes ago.

McGee might appreciate a chance to replicate what Jabari Greer did in NO and get a ring for himself.

And Florence is a known commodity to Buddy.

So I think moving McGee and a DP in a trade for Gaither makes the most sense.

A win for every participant on the trade.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on May 8, 2010 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

should have said
since he was a Charger when Buddy was there and

since Florence was a Charger when Buddy was there and

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on May 8, 2010 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

littering and... littering and...

Draft Eric Decker in the 3rd!!! Eric Decker > Jordan Shipley > Arrelious Benn

by NordicBillsfan on May 8, 2010 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

And

What does that mean neverbeentobuffalo?

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on May 8, 2010 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

supertroopers!

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by silverstreak3k on May 8, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

“smokin the refer”…

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by bflo on May 10, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because he's almost 30 and injury prone

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by Kurupt on May 7, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually looking back over the Ravens roster again

Their CB depth chart is abysmal. Their starters could be Domonique Foxworth and Chris Carr, or Lardarius Webb when healthy. Ouch.

Maybe they would have some interest in McGee, but his age and injury history isn’t exactly in his favor.

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by Kurupt on May 7, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s why I suggested the 4th added in. When McGee is healthy he is a good player, he could try to get a super bowl ring before he gets older, gives the Ravens at least a year or two stopgap to get better CBs in there and their injured ones to heal. And Gaither was a quality pick for a 5th rounder so they are basically turning a 5th they used on Gaither into a round earlier pick next year, a player they can use now for 1 who will surely leave via FA and they get nothing for him. Win Win all the way around in my book.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on May 8, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

…How the heck did you get a McGee for Gaither trade out of my post?

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by UZ on May 7, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn't necessarily addressing you

Just adding on

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by Kurupt on May 7, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

never seen gaither play. was he a starter in baltimore?

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by chaucer on May 7, 2010 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, he was their starting LT last year

by Renegade23 on May 7, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

sweet. i hope we get him.

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by chaucer on May 7, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Won't be a high #2...

If we bring in Gaithers has he is an average-above average OT. Bring him in, and Bell can compete at RT. Whole line gets better. Otherwise, we spend a #1 on a LT. Spend a #2 now.

by BillinNC on May 7, 2010 2:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Do it Do it Do it!!!!

Don’t think twice just do it…he is the same as any 1st round LT…trade for 2 second rounders 2011, 2012, and a Third or a 1st….this was its done…OLine all set…and we can move on to other issues…..like LB, D-Line and QB…

by the buffahoe on May 7, 2010 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

trade for 2 second rounders 2011, 2012, and a Third or a 1st….

Thats a biiiiiiit too much I think…

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by bflo on May 7, 2010 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

reply fail...

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by bflo on May 7, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok maybe...

ok maybe im just excited….but its an opportunity take advantage of it…..this way we got a solid o-line and now trend edwards has no excuse or brian bhrom or levi brown can have an opportunity to learn without getting their heads chopped off….

by the buffahoe on May 7, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you though, I hope we get him… our O-line would be very young, save Hang, and could all grow together. Gaither – Levitre – Hang – Wood – Bell/Meredith/Green …I like that…

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by bflo on May 7, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could give up a 2nd

and a 7th. but I wouldn’t offer the 7th, I’d make Baltimore include it in a counteroffer, in case they were okay with just a 2nd.

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by Dyl on May 7, 2010 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Negotiations 101

I’ll make sure to shoot Buddy an e-mail with your sage advice.

by #1 pick in '11 on May 7, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's really not that simple

You don’t know what Baltimore would want when you make that offer. A 2nd and a 7th could sound offensive to them, or it could sound too good to pass up. The point isn’t to withhold something, as you say that’s pretty duh. the point was that A 2 leading up to a little bit more would be a good place to start for the Bills, to show their initial offer value.

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by Dyl on May 7, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is also the possibility that Buffalo might be including one or more players in this trade.

Then again, who could they want, they run a 3-4 like we’re running and our offense isn’t that ripe for picking.
I’d like to trade Kawika or Lynch in a deal but if I were the Ravens I don’t think I’d need either one of those guys.

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by Dyl on May 7, 2010 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Jason Peters

If the Trade goes through:

We would have traded a young frachise left tackle away because we wont pay him and worry about character issues.

We then trade for a young solid left tackle with possible character issues only a year later and pay him the money we could have paid the guy we groomed.

Sounds like we are going in circles.

With that being said…I don’t have a problem giving up a 2nd only if we believe in Gaither’s character. That heis desire to play football outweighs his desire for individual accolates or money.

by Berg79 on May 7, 2010 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

peters

maybe thats why it might happen. Nix may have never let Peters go, and that could be a big reason Dicky J was let go…. however, I do know Peters wanted nothing to do with this place (buffalo) so who knows

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by killascript on May 7, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah…but Gaither certainly has some similary red flags surrounding him that Peters had. There is no reason to believe he would be happy with a trade to Buffalo.

by Berg79 on May 7, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

what red flags

not not familiar with all of these red flags that people are talking about.

by gatornation on May 7, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Basically that he has not lived up to his physical abilities, and his motivation has been questioned. They are not exactly the same concerns as Peters and I by no means claim the concerns are valid, just that Gaither comes with a few question marks.

Also, I think most people would say that Peters was a much better player (at least viewed as a much better player league wide) than Giather is today. We got pick 28…therefore anything more than our 2nd would seem like a steep price. A 3rd and a 5th sounds about right. Or a 2nd straight up.

by Berg79 on May 7, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Regardless

Gaithers with all his faults would still be a upgrade IMHO.

by buffalobacker on May 7, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

$$$. That would make him happy. Peters wasnt happy because of money. If we trade for Gaither… an extension would be in the works before the trade happened. Could even be a sign and trade.

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by bflo on May 7, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I was thinking

We can make a trade for a future franchise tackle, but if we can’t resign him to a contract that he’ll be pleased with wouldn’t it all be a waste?

by Baron Hashimoto on May 7, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's hope Gaither isn't a partyerr.

Otherwise McGahee will be putting there’s nothing to do in Buffalo crap.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on May 7, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no idea what it’s like in Buffalo since I’m from Hawaii, but isn’t that what the offseason is for?

I was a fan of Willis McGahee back in high school, but when he said that I realized he wasn’t ready to be a professional.

by Baron Hashimoto on May 8, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’re assuming that the contract numbers for Gaither would be comparable to Peters’.

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by MattRichWarren on May 8, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Love the Move!

- If this happens, it just goes to show that Buddy Nix knows what he is doing. He realized that you need to build a solid running game, and with Lynch, Jackson, and Spiller, will have a lot of weapons. Unfortunately, need to also have a good passing attack, which we can work on the following year.

by BuffaloWhiner on May 7, 2010 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

why not?

zhould cost more than next year 2nd rounder, get 1st round talent who is proven….snatch him up

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by atlantalove on May 7, 2010 4:14 PM EDT reply actions  

i would buy that jersey instantly

by billsnterps on May 7, 2010 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

thatd be new

Can’t recall the last time I saw an O’linesman’s jersey in the crowd at the Ralph.

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by BuffaloBlueBlood on May 7, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet you see some Wang jerseys this year...

and not just from the smart-asses

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by NorCal BillsFan on May 7, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wang

Yeah now that you bring it up, I gotta get a Wang jersey now.

by buffalobacker on May 7, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jamon Meredith

Should trade his 69 jersey# to Wang.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on May 7, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should trade his 69 jersey# to Wang.

Nice!!!

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by Goose22 on May 8, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d probably already have one if they offered them straight up, but usually to get a player like an O-Lineman’s jersey, you need to have it customized, too expensive for my blood…

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by UZ on May 7, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ohh

Didn’t know that! Good to know…

by buffalobacker on May 7, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can easily get star players, QB’s and first round draft picks jerseys in stores, that’s about it.

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by UZ on May 7, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's because you have to spend the money on a custom one if you want one.
Can’t recall the last time I saw an O’linesman’s jersey in the crowd at the Ralph.

That’s because you have to spend the xtra money on a custom one if you want one.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on May 7, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

billsnterps. Go Maryland!

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by Mr MaLoR on May 8, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

DO IT!

It's Like Rooting For the Toilet to Flush......

by CJSpiller on May 7, 2010 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Sign Him

Sounds very encouraging, I hope we are able to sign him. It would go along way in filling a hole.

by buffalobacker on May 7, 2010 5:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey guys, I am one of the lead writers for Baltimore Beatdown. Any questions you all got about Gaither I can surely answer for you.

What do the offers look like you think?

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by Mr MaLoR on May 7, 2010 6:48 PM EDT reply actions  

work habits

is his laziness being overblown or understated?

I think a fair deal for both sides is a 2nd next year for Gaither. Its likely a high second rounder so you guys get a great value pick (both financially and player wise) and we get a young LT whos had some grooming in a very good system.

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by poz on May 7, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I personally think the laziness is being overblown. The reason people think he is lazy is solely because of him failing out of my current school, University of Maryland. He did not meet the academic standards here and was basically forced out of the school. Had he kept his grades up, I am almost positive he would have been a first round pick in the draft the following year.

As far as laziness when it comes to football, I really do not see it. If he were as lazy as the media makes him out to be, I highly doubt he would have been our starting Left Tackle at the age of 21 years old. He has been a great O-Lineman for us and would be a huge asset to your team if this deal happens.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 7, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

What’s up, Mr MaLoR?

We’re all pretty set on assuming a 2nd would be enough for Gaither, how much do you think Baltimore really wants for him? Could Buffalo get away with a 3rd and a 5th or so?

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by UZ on May 7, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

How you doing buddy?

I am not sure if a 2nd is enough. If it was, don’t you think we would have made the move by now. IMO, a 2nd round is not fair for us. The guy is an elite LT, young and has very few injury concerns. I think a 2nd and 3rd/4th is what we are looking for.

We really want to keep Gaither. Why wouldn’t we want to keep together the best Tackle tandem in the league? But the only problem is that he is a great LT who is going to play RT for us, and teams are going to throw him LT money after this season. IMO, it is smart to get something for him now, because I do not see him being a Raven after this season.

He is everything you could ask for in a LT and is only 24 years old. So much experience at such a young age is nearly impossible to find. Would be a great pick-up for you. Now you will just need to find a QB for him to block for…….

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by Mr MaLoR on May 7, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Give me a break.....If he was an elite LT, he wouldn't have gotten beaten out by a rookie

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by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because Gaither is the best LT in the league and would never be able to be usurped by a different player ever, obviously!

Please, if I had the choice between Gaither and Oher I’d probably swap Gaither as well, doesn’t mean he’s not elite talent, just means Oher is the better of the two in the eyes of the Ravens. If I had John Elway and Joe Montana I’d go with Joe Montana, doesn’t mean John is a bad QB. If I had Chris Johnson and Steven Jackson, I’d go with Chris Johnson no questions asked, doesn’t make Jackson a bad RB.

You’re just being condescending for the sake of being condescending at this point.

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by UZ on May 7, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Name me another elite LT that got beaten out by a rookie while in the prime of his career?

Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!

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by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

 But he’s still far better than what we have. That said a second rd pick is fair.

by buffalobacker on May 7, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt about that

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by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't really know what you are talking about

Oher fell into our laps when we drafted him and never got “beat out” by Oher. He played RT the entire season last year and only played LT when Gaither was hurt. If you are referring to Oher being placed at Left Tackle this year, then Gaither did not get beat out by a rookie because Oher is no longer a rookie, bud.

The reason why Gaither is being shopped around is because his contract is up after this season and we will most likely not be able to match the offers he will get from other teams in desperate needs for a Left Tackle, IE your Buffalo Bills.

Gaither is 24 years old and if you look at the O-Lineman stats, was one of the best LT in the league last year. He has tons of experience with few injury concerns. I think you should be very fortunate if you guys get a LT like Gaither.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 8, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you

Especially that last line….

Thanks for all your input in this!

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by Kurupt on May 8, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

No problem. Maybe I should not have said “elite LT” but I do think Gaither is a very good LT and has all the tools to be one of the best in the league in the near future. 24 year olds with nearly 3 full seasons of starting experience don’t come around often in the NFL. Matter of fact, I can’t think of an other OL who has had the resume Gaither has at the moment.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on May 8, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hahahaha
You don’t really know what you are talking about

Well, it wouldn’t be the first time. I admit I am not an expert on the Ravens. When did Gaither come back from his injury? Was it before the end of the year?

not be able to match the offers

Two words….franchise tag

Oher being placed at Left Tackle this year, then Gaither did not get beat out by a rookie because Oher is no longer a rookie, bud.

Bud???? Well let me tell you something Jack, you can get cute about it all you want, but the fact of the matter is Gaither lost his job to a guy with less than one year’s experience at LT.

And, yes, we would be fortunate to get Gaither, but he is not worth us missing out on our QB of the future buy giving you our #1 pick.

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by Joe P. on May 8, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, it wouldn’t be the first time. I admit I am not an expert on the Ravens. When did Gaither come back from his injury? Was it before the end of the year?

He missed 5 games at different times during last season. It was not really a stretch of 5 games, but more like 2 here, 1 there, 2 here.

Two words….franchise tag

Two words…..Haloti Ngata. If we cannot get a deal done with him, we would much rather use the tag on him than Gaither.

but the fact of the matter is Gaither lost his job to a guy with less than one year’s experience at LT.

That should say something about how good Oher is then. We didn’t use our first round pick and pay him that money to be our RT.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 8, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK....so each time Gaither got healthy, he was put back at LT,

or did Oher keep the LT job at some point toward the end of the season?

Since you are not paying Oher LT money, shouldn’t you be able to franchise Gaither and sign Ngata?

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by Joe P. on May 8, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK….so each time Gaither got healthy, he was put back at LT,

or did Oher keep the LT job at some point toward the end of the season?

Oher went back to RT when Gaither came back from those injuries. The move that was made today is because we think Oher is better than Gaither. Doesn’t mean Gaither is bad, but Oher is just THAT good.

Since you are not paying Oher LT money, shouldn’t you be able to franchise Gaither and sign Ngata?

Not so sure. At the moment, we really have no idea what the Ngata contract looks like, but if something can’t get worked out we would much rather use the tag on Ngata. We can replace Gaither if he decides to leave, but we cannot replace Ngata.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 8, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Got it.....thanks for the info

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by Joe P. on May 8, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea Mr. MaLor,

thanks for all the info on the Gaither situation last season. We’d be lucky to get him.Wndering what you think the compensation should be for a trade? I must have missed it somewhere in this 300+ post ( which shows how much we need him, ha) & comments. I would love him as a LT, like you said is 24, that’s a young player with so much potential and three years of starting expierence. Once again, thank you.

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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on May 8, 2010 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

No problem. Anything to help.

As far as compensation, I said that a 2nd and 3rd/4th would be good for me. Since we are not getting your 1st round pick, which I really think Gaither is worth, I think a 2nd and another pick would be fair. It would be worth it for you guys as well, trust me.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 8, 2010 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are right about that!
Oher fell into our laps

I wanted the Bills to draft Oher so bad last year.

Just like I wanted to the Bills to draft Bulaga this year.

And he fell into Green Bay’s laps at #23, the same place Oher fell into your laps.

Shakes head and sighs.

At least if we trade for Gaither, I can finally shake off the what if we drafted Oher, or Bulaga.

We would finally have a capable LT again and passing on Oher and Bulaga won’t make me upset anymore.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on May 8, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, Ozzie Newsome said Oher was in his top 10 overall players when we picked him. Ozzie does it better than anyone.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 8, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, enjoy having a competent GM,

it comes and goes for teams, like the Bills, going from Bill Polian, AJ Butler, then the dream team of Donahue, Dicky, & Marv, & now Buddy, wow. Must be nice having a great former player as a great GM, he’s a top-3-5 GM in the NFL, IMO. Nix I hope is the key to the future.

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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on May 8, 2010 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

If the Bills get Gaither.
& now Buddy, wow.

I will give this Bills draft an A.

My biggest problem was the failure to address LT the last 2 years.

I wanted Oher last year.
I wanted Bulaga this year.

If buddy is serious about it is hard to judge a QB when he is always on his back.

Gaither will give us the chance to figure it out an if we have to spend our #1 on a QB next year.

He needs to get this deal done.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on May 8, 2010 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oher for me and you both buddy,

when Maybins name came out of the commishes mouth, I was just so deflated. Funny thing is, I’d never been more adament about the Bills drafting guys, and the biggest ones were Oher & Ngata, then both end up in Baltimore, ahh whatever. Next year uf they draft Micheal Floyd, I’ll go nuts.

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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on May 8, 2010 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

The other Big one for me.

Was McKinnie to the Vikes.

The guy didn’t give up a single sack his senior season.

And Mike Williams came out of nowhere and the Texas players are coddled by the alumni,

McKinnie was so upset he wasn’t the first T he pulled a Crabtree, and held out quite awhile,

He is starting to fade now.

But he was so much a better choice than that sloth Mike Williams. I shook my head on Mike Williams. I have real good luck on high DPs who the Bills should take and the usually dissapoint me each year with who they do take, I usually get better results than alot of people who get paid to do it. Probably could do the same on lower picks, but since I don’t get paid, I usually only comment on the first 2 rds about DPs on message boards, I just don’t have the time for lower than the 2nd rd talent as a fan. That’s all I have the time to post about for a hobby.

You won’t ever see a 7 rd mock draft from me.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on May 8, 2010 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

When did he get beat out?

The Ravens are dealing with a player who will be an UFA next season. They have a player they drafted last year that is probably going to be a franchise LT. They have the ability to trade Gaither now, before he becomes a free agent. They aren’t going to pay big bucks for both him and Oher (Oher in the future obviously). I think they have multiple assets at the position and are prepared to move the soon to be more expensive one, that may not be as good in the long run. I wouldn’t exactly say Oher beat Gaither out.

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by Kurupt on May 7, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oher never beat out Gaither. If anything, Gaither beat out the rookie last year. But again, Oher is not a rookie this year and we think he is a better fit at LT than Gaither is right now, which should say something about Oher’s talent. The guy is going to be a pro-bowler for a longgggg time.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 8, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gaither’s 24. He’s not in the prime of his career. He’s still developing.

Man, you can be difficult.

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by Brian Galliford on May 8, 2010 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Give me a break…..If he was an elite LT, he wouldn’t have gotten beaten out by a rookie

How did Gaither get beat out by a rookie? Every game that Gaither played last season was at LT while Oher was at RT. Oher played LT when Gaither was hurt. Gaither has been the Ravens LT since he was 22.

They’re both very talented players; Oher has a fairly friendly rookie contract and Gaither is a free agent after this season so it’s not a shock that they want to play Oher at LT this season. They know Gaither is gone after this season at the very least because they aren’t going to give pay for two left tackles and Gaither wouldn’t sign anyway because he knows he can get left tackle money. Essentially, that’s a long-winded post to say that some football decisions aren’t made purely for football reasons.

by Jeff Winters on May 7, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not bad, but not buying all of it

If Gaither was Oher’s equal, then why rush Oher into playing LT permanently and look to trade Gaither? The fact that Oher is under a very reasonable contract for a long time affords the Ravens the opportunity to extend Gaither, keep Oher at RT, and have the best OT tandem in the NFL.

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by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

To extend a player the player has to agree to the contract. Gaither isn’t agreeing to an extenion unless it’s for LT money, and if you have someone who can already play LT in place of Gaither, why offer him LT money?

by Jeff Winters on May 7, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because their SB window is just opening and they don't stay open very long

At the very least, the Ravens could franchise him and keep him another year.

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by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you really think they'll pay him $11M+ next offseason for one year?

He already wants a new contract. I’m not saying he’d be a headache, or pull a Jason Peters stunt, but you’d have to imagine he’d show some displeasure in not getting a new deal soon.

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by Kurupt on May 8, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wish you would make up your mind.....Do you think Gaither is a top LT or not????

If he is, then why aren’t their more teams lining up for him? The Bills can’t be the only team in need of an elite LT. Look, I like Gaither…..but no way I give up our #1 for him.

Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!

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by Joe P. on May 8, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think I ever said we would be asking for your #1. Of course you guys wouldn’t give up a pick that will most likely be in the top 10 next year. But a 2nd I do not think is going to do it for us. Something else is going to have to be involved, which is why I think nothing has happened yet. Your high 2nd should tell you how good WE think Gaither is and would rather keep him for a year than make that deal…….it seems like.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on May 8, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

What?

Why are you putting words in everyone’s mouth tonight? Where did I ever suggest a 1st round pick for him?

And I’m not sure how the comment I made here has anything to do with what I feel about Gaither. I think he is a very good LT, with the potential to become a great one. Just like Oher.

And how do you know other teams aren’t “lining up” for him?

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by Kurupt on May 8, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here .... I said I agreed our high second round pick was fair for Gaither

Mr MaLor said

You don’t really know what you are talking about

Oher fell into our laps when we drafted him and never got "beat out" by Oher. He played RT the entire season last year and only played LT when Gaither was hurt. If you are referring to Oher being placed at Left Tackle this year, then Gaither did not get beat out by a rookie because Oher is no longer a rookie, bud.

The reason why Gaither is being shopped around is because his contract is up after this season and we will most likely not be able to match the offers he will get from other teams in desperate needs for a Left Tackle, IE your Buffalo Bills.

Gaither is 24 years old and if you look at the O-Lineman stats, was one of the best LT in the league last year. He has tons of experience with few injury concerns. I think you should be very fortunate if you guys get a LT like Gaither.

then you said

I agree with you

Especially that last line….

Thanks for all your input in this!

So from that I took it that you agreed with him that Gaither was worth more than our high second and that he was one of the best LTs in the league…..we will forget about the insult that he aimed at me.

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by Joe P. on May 8, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well

The Ravens will also have to start paying for Flacco, Ngata, Rice and Ben Grubbs in the next few years too. This situation is not as cut and dry as you seem to think it is.

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by Kurupt on May 7, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, a good comparison would be Arizona and Boldin. He wasn’t the best WR on his team and they traded him because they couldn’t afford to pay him the huge dollars that a lot of other guys on the team were already making. Boldin will probably prove that he’s an elite player this year with the Ravens though.

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by kaisertown on May 7, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has Oher demanded a new contract?

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by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

No? How do you come up with this?

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on May 8, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

just trying to get the Boldin comparison.

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by Joe P. on May 8, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fitzgerald would be Oher in that comparison. Boldin is Gaither. :-) Gaither has not demanded a new contract because in a year he is a UFA and will need one anyways.

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by MattRichWarren on May 8, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah....that is what I thought. But didn't Boldin demand a bigger contract and when he didn't get it demanded a trade?

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by Joe P. on May 8, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but it’s basically the same thing since Gaither doesn’t have a contract for 2011. Baltimore knows he wants huge money and wants it soon, so he doesn’t have to come out and say it.

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by kaisertown on May 9, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Gaither was Oher’s equal, then why rush Oher into playing LT permanently and look to trade Gaither?

Because Oher is under contract for the next four seasons at about 2.5 mil per year while Gaither is going to be an FA in a year and demand a huge contract. That said, I do think Oher will be the better LT this year and that Gaither isn’t an elite LT. And that’s no slight to Gaither who is really good and really young.

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by kaisertown on May 7, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes....this....rec'd

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by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tend to agree with him though. If a second rounder was enough the deal would have already been made. Maybe thats why Youboty’s name has been floting around for the last 24 hours.

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by CanadianBillsFan on May 8, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a question Mr MaLoR

Do you think the Ravens would be interested in a CB and a draft pick instead for Gaither?

You guys didn’t draft a CB and seem thin at the position especially wit 2 guys coming off torn ACLs?

As you know the Bills have had an excellent track record of developing DBs.

Look at how much Jabari Greer, an UDFA helped out in the Saints SB run last year when they signed him away from us and we are still loaded at the position.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on May 7, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

We would be interested in a CB, but who would you offer that matches what we want for Gaither? Only guy I could see worth putting in a deal is McKelvin, and I doubt you guys want to give him up. We be better off getting a draft pick or two from you guys instead of one of your back-up CB’s. We can find those guys in FA.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on May 8, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was think

Terrence McGee or Drayton Florence and a 4th Rounder.

McGee is a solid starter, not really a ball hawk, but solid veteran, Jabari Greer couldn’t beat him out for #1 while he was in Buffalo and look what Greer did with the Saints, a 4th is an upgrade from the pick you used on Gaither. You could probably get at least 2-3 solid more seasons out of McGee.

Drayton Florence really turned it back around last season with us after falling out of favor with a bad year in Jacksonville. Both are better players than McKelvin right now. But that’s why 1 would be expendable. With the injuries he’s had, we really need to get McKelven on the field and see what he can do. He didn’t really play that great early in the year last year before the season ending injury.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on May 8, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Terrence McGee or Drayton Florence and a 4th Rounder.

If it were up to me, no thanks on that. A CB who would be battling for the #4 or #5 spot on our team and 4th rounder is not nearly enough for a really good LT who is not even in his prime yet. I would rather take a 2nd rounder than involve a player if it is just going to be one of your back-ups.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 8, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did you see theses guys play last year?

They are quality veterans and proven. Just only have a 2-3 year shelf life left.

They were our two starting cornerbacks last year. Either are better options than anything you have at #2.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on May 8, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

To add

We were #2 in pass defense last year behind the Jets.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on May 8, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Either are better options than anything you have at #2.

They are not better than Lardarius Webb, myself and all of Baltimore can assure you of that. Our secondary is not nearly as weak as you think it is. We want to add a player because of injury concerns, not because we don’t think they are talented.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on May 8, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aren’t talented*

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on May 8, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Last Year

Bills opponent’s combined QB rating 61.8
Baltimore Ravens opponent’s combined QB rating 71.9

McGee and Florence are good CBs, how many Bills games have you seen from last season?

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on May 8, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Quite a few actually. I know very much about your 2ndary. If I may say though, I thought Byrd’s MVP like season attibuted a good bit to your ranking. But I am also not saying that those guys are bad, just might not be the deal we are looking for. But hey, I still to this day have no idea what is going on in Ozzie’s head, the man has something up his sleeve and it could involve a deal like that.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on May 8, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's funny.

Ozzie keeps drafting the players I want the Bills to draft.

I’ll give a few examples.

I wanted the Bills to take Ngata over Whitner.
I wanted the Bills to take Oher over Maybin.
I wanted to the Bills to take Cody over Troup.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on May 8, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Telling you this much though, it is tough to figure out Ozzie. As a huge fan, I feel like I have the plan for what needs to be done, then Ozzie pulls some great deal out of his you know where and gets better options than I originally thought. The off-season trades he made including the draft was absolutely incredible if you look at the entire picture.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on May 8, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

There was a post here too.

What player would you least like to draft.

I chose Jerry Hughes.

And in the comments, I put, because I would rather have Brandon Graham then Sergio Kindle before him.

It’s out there somewhere in the fanpost archive.

And Ozzie took Kindle too.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on May 8, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I said it before and I'll say it again

Baltimore made this past draft their b*tch.

Cody, Kindle, AND Arthur Jones?

Just incredible.

I would have soiled my pants if the Bills pulled off that draft.

by StroudFanClub on May 8, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd. I as well wanted all of these players

that ended up in Baltimore much more than the players that Buffalo selected.

by StroudFanClub on May 8, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Webb isn't talented.

I just don’t think he is a finished product just like McKelvin.

And even though he may be cleared to play, It usually takes a full year to fully recover the explosiveness from a torn ACL after you have been cleared to play.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on May 8, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, definitely. I just think it would be smarter to get some draft picks from you and look to FA for a CB right now. We are looking for more like a stop gap until Webb and Fabian get back to full strength. A 3rd and 6th and one of those guys might be really tempting.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on May 8, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah?
They are not better than Lardarius Webb, myself and all of Baltimore can assure you of that.

You know exactly how he is going to come back from his torn ACL? A raw CB who basically played in 8 games last year, might start the year on the PUP list and has very little NFL experience is most assuredly better than a pair of CB’s who have proven to be solid NFL players?

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by Kurupt on May 8, 2010 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

dont know how he can honestly think

that florence would be competing for a 4th or 5th cb spot. im not even that high on DF but he would be starting on their team (whether in the nickel or cb2) me thinks he over-values some of his player. and honestly, he thinks a number 1 is fair? thats crazy talk. no way someone even thinks about giving the ravens a number one. they should be happy for a 2 this year straight up. but i think nix is trying to wheel and deal, get em lower, so thats why it not happening. everyone is assuming its the ravens holding it up by refusing the bills offer, but maybe its the bills holding it trying to get him for less?

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by silverstreak3k on May 8, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, Mr. MaLoR...

Any truth to the rumor the only reason Ozzie Newsome has decided to trade Jared Gaither is because Gaither confided in him, his deepest secret, that he was afraid of James Harrison?

Also, follow up, do you think the reason Gaither had been described as lazy at times, is because he’s just tired. Tired as a result from his inability to sleep at night because of said Mr. Harrison is in his nightmares aswell?

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by NYSteelersFan4 on May 8, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just going to ignore this. Thanks.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on May 8, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, I'm just kidding...

I was on last night, skimming through saw this possible trade and thought I’d see what the fanbases thought. I guess you never know what you’ll find on neutral territory. I was going to follow up, but I lost power due to a decent thunderstorm, you know I’m just breaking your chops.

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by NYSteelersFan4 on May 8, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go talk about Big Ben at your own blog.

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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on May 8, 2010 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

No offense meant by it...

And I never meantioned Ben.

Seriously though, you guys would be getting a quality player in Gaither should the trade follow through. I’ve watched him play a bunch of times in the last two years and he’s got all the skills.

I’m not sure what you would be giving up, but to fill a need, this guys going to get even better, and be really good in a few years (and he’s pretty good now), and it would be a great addition.

I apologize if my joke offended anyone. MaLoR knows I have respect for the Ravens, and it was nothing more than a friendly jab, followed by a poorly timed power issue. I didn’t mean to just leave it as it was, it did look bad on its own.

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by NYSteelersFan4 on May 8, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I may not be an expert but,

Living in Baltimore affords me the opportunity forces me to listen to Ravens radio when I want to hear sports and I have heard adamant arguments against trading Gaither. The argument against trading him seems to be that the Ravens are poised to make a run at the title this year so why would they trade a key figure in making that run unless you can get a dynamic value in return.

For whatever reason he has fallen out of favor with Harbaugh and his staff and being that his contract expires next season the only logical reason they can come with for trading him is that since the current coaching staff doesn’t like him enough to sign him to a long term contract, you might as well get what you can out of him before he leaves next year with nothing to show for him.

From what I can tell, the reason this trade hasn’t happened yet is because they believe he is a first round talent that they don’t want to let go for less than a second and Buffalo isn’t ready to pony up a potentially high 2 for him.

Again, I have no inside information but this is exactly what I heard on the radio courtesy the Rob Long show.

by arbon78 on May 7, 2010 9:05 PM EDT reply actions  

If that is true, then Nix needs a good smack in the head
Buffalo isn’t ready to pony up a potentially high 2 for him.

I think a high second represents good value for each team. If by some miracle it doesn’t end up being a top ten pick, then the Bills could give an additional pick……maybe a 3rd in 2012.

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by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I’d agree with you Joe. My gut tells me the Bill’s are interested and will compensate accordingly.

by buffalobacker on May 7, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

we have no idea that this is true or not

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by silverstreak3k on May 8, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

thus the "IF"

Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!

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by Joe P. on May 8, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think so.
From what I can tell, the reason this trade hasn’t happened yet is because they believe he is a first round talent that they don’t want to let go for less than a second and Buffalo isn’t ready to pony up a potentially high 2 for him.

I think the reason is they would have to work out a contract extension with Gaither’s agent before making the trade.

It would be insane to give up a 2nd rd pick for a player who could test FA after the season.

A contract extension would have to be worked out before any deal could be made.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on May 8, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

There are multiple issues to work out before the trade can happen, contract negotiations included. I simply don’t think this trade is that far along in the process. If Buffalo and Baltimore had already come to a conclusion on the details of the trade and all that was left was to sign him to a long term deal, I’m fairly confident we would have heard so from sources like shefter or mortensen.

by arbon78 on May 8, 2010 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

From Florio

PFT

UPDATE: We’ve confirmed that the Bills are indeed interested, and we can add a little bit to Schefter’s report. The Bills want him bad. That is all.

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by Kurupt on May 7, 2010 11:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Keep in mind, Schefter is the same guy who said the Bills were devastated they lost Tebow to Denver....just sayin...someone is full of ......

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by Joe P. on May 7, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

That wasn't a Schefter quote

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by Kurupt on May 8, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

who was it? Does anyone still have the draft on NFL Network on DVR? Because it was said then.

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by Joe P. on May 8, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was Jason LaCanfora quoting Schefter, but Buddy said the Bills did try to trade up, just not for Tebow, Schefter probably got wind of the Bills trying to trade up and assumed it was Tebow. I personally think it was Dan Williams and Schefter just misinterpeted the who the Bills were trying to trade up for since he went quickly after Tebow.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on May 8, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

found it on twitter

http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/status/12676487161

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by Joe P. on May 8, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok great

Not sure what that has to do with Florio saying his sources told him the Bills want Gaither pretty badly.

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by Kurupt on May 8, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

So you are saying Florio is lying and Schefter didn't report it about Gaither?

I thought you were talking about the Bills not wanting Tebow.

Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!

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by Joe P. on May 8, 2010 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why are you so difficult?

I didn’t say a word about Tebow. I linked a quote about the Bills wanting Gaither badly from Florio. I have no clue why you bring up Tebow and all these other things.

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by Kurupt on May 8, 2010 1:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

How am I being difficult? I didn't think this was a difficult conversation to follow. Let's try it in chronological order

Schefter reports that the Bills were devastated to lose Tebow (still looking for a DVR of the Draft). Schefter tweets, “With Tim Tebow to Denver, Buffalo has to be heartbroken. It was going after Tim Tebow hard and he was square on their radar.” Nix says that the Bills were not interested in Tebow. Now, either Schefter was completely screwed up (not his reputation), or Nix was lying out his ass (my read on it). Fast forward to the PFT link you posted which quotes Schefter as saying “they (Bills) want Gaither” … with Rosenthal adding “bad”.

I posted

Keep in mind, Schefter is the same guy who said the Bills were devastated they lost Tebow to Denver….just sayin…someone is full of ……

My point in bringing up Tebow is this….Don’t get excited by even the most credible sources saying that the Bills want Gaither. Many posters seemed to want to give Nix credit for landing a good LT when Nix hasn’t even confirmed that the Bills are still looking for an LT or talking to the Ravens about Gaither. And I doubt we will hear anything unless Gaither is signed by the Bills. Finally, IMO, if the Bills lose Gaither to the Colts, Raiders, or some other team, Nix will probably deny ever wanting Gaither and insist that he is fine with who we have on the roster.

Does this clear things up for you?

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by Joe P. on May 8, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Schefter is rarely wrong. He is the best media inside man in the league.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 8, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed.....I think Schefter was correct.....unless I am wrong about it being Schefter, but I don't think so.

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by Joe P. on May 8, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Florio’s update isn’t coming from Schefter. That’d be weird.

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by Brian Galliford on May 8, 2010 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

per K's link above
ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports that Gaither is still likely to be dealt before the season, and the Bills are the most likely team to get him. “They want him,” Schefter writes.

How is that important? The update basically restates what Schefter already said, right?

Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!

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by Joe P. on May 8, 2010 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

The “we can add a little bit to Schefter’s report,” when they add the “bad” to Schefter’s “the Bills want Gaither,” is the update.

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by Brian Galliford on May 8, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

There's a reason I put that update in the quotey box

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by Kurupt on May 8, 2010 1:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

above average plus left tackle for whatever

short of a first round pick is worth it.

2nd round pick, some mix of players and picks…..

gotta have a solid left tackle to give offense a chance.

even assuming a future for current players on roster, the bills
seriously lack depth on oline….

this is a no brainer, only issue is competition from other teams for the trade…..

one thing we do know, ravens would prefer to trade to bills than some other teams
where odds are the 2nd rounder will be top 20 or better, as high as top 10…..

i think the peace of mind at one bills drive would skyrocket if and when they do this deal

by simonpure on May 8, 2010 12:03 AM EDT reply actions  

this is a no brainer, only issue is competition from other teams for the trade…..

Bills are really the only team I have heard of that is in the hunt right now. Colts fans are lobbying for bringing in Gaither, but there is nothing else from their front office.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on May 8, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

ravens insider

comments there indicate jonathen ogden has signed off on ohner being the better lter there, and that gaithner is really a must move situation because of his contract situation and the ravens need for cornerbacks….

bills have desperate need at lt and cornerbacks, and think of it strategically, anything the bills can do to weaken afc east records helps ravens for home field and wild card possibilities in 2010.

ravens feel this is their year to go all the way, and a stronger bills team and a strengthened cornerback position is a win win on the field and within the conference
competition for wild card and homefield advantage in playoffs…..

obviously, the trade has to hold on its own merits, but the bills could steal a few games from afc east opponents and create space for the ravens to strengthen their overall position in the conference…..

while not putting the bills in such a strong position to actually compete for playoff berth….

just another angle, if highly speculative…..

by simonpure on May 8, 2010 12:15 AM EDT reply actions  

colts vs bills

ravens would be wise to strengthen bills than a possible afc playoff opponent like the colts…..which is why there might be a bit of a bidding war going on….

colts might make very sweet offer knowing ravens would prefer bills option for both strategic and tactical reasons

by simonpure on May 8, 2010 12:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Yea, that is what I have been thinking. I told the Colts guys I would much rather do the deal with you guys, because getting Peyton off his feet is already tough enough, Gaither would just make that tougher. The Colts are a team in our way of a Superbowl and why would we want to strengthen them? Much rather get a deal with a team that isn’t really a threat to us, no disrespect.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 8, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

LT position

We all know the Bills need to upgrade both OT positions and know we know that the Ravens are trying to unload a player who will become a FA next year with the strong possibility of not putting a tag on him.

Ravens want a #2 the Bills might be willing to give up a #3 and whatever….

What we have here is a Mexican stand-off between Ozzie “The Wizard” and Buddy “The Sligh Fox”. Ravens want to get something for Gaither instead of nothing! Yes, Gaither would be a nice pick-up but the Bills stated philosophy is to build thru the draft. Giving up a potentially high #2 for a player that is going to leave a team is steep. My opinion is that Buddy will out fox the wizard and eventually give up a #3 and change.

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by Goose22 on May 8, 2010 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Good point

Nix stated we weren’t going to be very active in FA. Would still love to see a deal worked out to get Gaithers. Your right, sticking point will be compensation. I hope Nix has a back-up plan if we don’t get Gaithers. It’s a big time position of need for any team. Sometimes it’s O.K. to splurge. That’s what I told my girlfriend when we bought my flat screen!

by buffalobacker on May 8, 2010 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

gaither

I have read that there is no imminent deals for gaither. In my opinion I think chan + buddy are waiting for gaither to be healthy before doing the trade. gaither was receiving treatment of some kind on saturday and cameron doesn’t know if gaither will be out there for sunday’s training camp.

by bills21 on May 8, 2010 4:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Wait

The Bills may also be waiting to evaluate Bell and Meredith on their own. They know Gaither will stay available, and they know the price. If the Price drops, they could move quicker.

by BillinNC on May 8, 2010 9:35 PM EDT reply actions  

ok corral

take ten steps and fire……

would want to get him into the offense and bonding asap.

lots of movement later on in camp, the holdup has to be
contract and performance incentives in deal, re pro bowl
appearance gets ravens additional pick etc….

i would expect it will involve a mix of players and picks.

most likely deal will happen inside 1 week…

by simonpure on May 9, 2010 4:17 AM EDT reply actions  

then again

nix would want a clean slate, no incentives based on performance
so, 2nd plus a corner…..bills get ravens 7th rounder……

by simonpure on May 9, 2010 4:20 AM EDT reply actions  

There's a lot of discussion about this kid.

Bottom line: he’d be a huge (literally) improvement over what options are in front of them at the moment. Better than any pick could likely bring them this or next year.

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