Buddy Nix Approval Ratings: Take three
This is the third such poll we have done. The first was done back on February 13, 2010 and the second was posted on April 19, 2010 just before the 2010 NFL Draft. The purpose is to get a feel for how the fans feel about the job that new Buffalo Bills GM Buddy Nix is doing in his quest to bring the Bills from the edge of obscurity back into prominence. Since there was a little debate about this last time, I will now list some things that Nix hasn't done that some might view as a negative, in an effort to hear less whining and complaining not give the false pretense of being biased. So in the five and a half months that Buddy Nix has been on the job he has:
- He fired former Vice President of Pro Personnel John Guy
- He hired Pittsburgh's Doug Whaley as the team's new Assistant GM and Director of Pro Personnel
- He hired Chan Gailey as the Bills' new head coach; this was Nix's first-ever coaching hire
- Singed free agents DE Dwan Edwards, LB Andra Davis, and OT Cornell Green to be starters
- Heavily pursued Donovan McNabb, the best veteran QB available this off season.
- Hired Darrell Moody to be his replacement as national scout
- Oversaw his first draft as general manager where the Bills drafted C.J. Spiller, Torell Troup, Alex Carrington, and Ed Wang among others.
- Chose to forgo addressing QB or LT with high-round picks in the NFL Draft
- Signed a boat load of undrafted free agents including Antonio Coleman, Cord Howard, Naaman Roosevelt, and Joique Bell.
- To this point, has kept much of the previous scouting department intact
I put this line in the last poll and some chose to completely ignore it, so I will put it up again. Your assignment is to let us know what you think of the job that Buddy Nix has done so far. Again, this isn't about what you think or hope will happen, but if you like what has been done, or in some cases strategically not done so far by Nix.
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Undecided
Still. Don’t know why I’m just still undecided.
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Because they haven't played a game yet?
We all approved of William’s plan… and Mularkey’s… and Jauron’s…
Ok, fine. No one approved of Jauron’s.
I’m firmly undecided until the real results come in.
more whining and complainig
Chose to forgo addressing QB or LT with high-round picks in the NFL Draft
I voted undecided and will remain so until the above “deficiency” is adequately addressed. If we make a move for Gaithers as mentioned in your report yesterday, I could would move my vote to a “yes”
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by fansince60 on May 8, 2010 8:24 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
agreed and rec'd
I had been voting “Yes” in these polls (Hear that UZ), but the draft as pushed me into the undecided camp.
Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!
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Undecided
This is just me probably, but I don’t know how one could be undecided given the criteria that it’s about what Nix has done to this point. If you’re in the “he didn’t address LT” camp then I’d say you’re probably a “no” until he does. Basically try to judge the merits of what he’s done exactly to today against what you feel he should have done up until today, and you should be on one side of the fence or the other. I voted yes (not sure if it took since I’m on my mobile). He’s addressed some very key things IMHO. IF say the draft class doesn’t pan out or Gailey and his staff suck or whatever, THEN I will disapprove at that point in time. No grey area for me to be undecided.
by Malfimus on May 8, 2010 12:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I like his moves so far
As a side note, I’venoticed that Bills fans have broken into 2 main camps. Theres the OMG I’m drinking the koolaid fans, and the can’t make me drink the koolaid fans. So I have an idea. Lets all just get along. Without the negativity, it’ll be fun. I swear. ; )
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
kind of early in the day for it, but
I like his moves so far
TWSS :-) couldn’t resist
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by UZ on May 8, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I put undecided
But I really hate sitting on the fence.
Basically, I like a lot of the moves made and I don’t mind the lack of QB as only MCNabb had a shot of making this team better anytime soon.
I don’t hate the lack of LT, but I have a tough time saying I’m OK with it not being significantly addressed. Maybe poll again me after we get Gaither…!
I’m also worried about WR. Sure having young guys with upside is important, and I know we are planning on running a lot under Gailey, but I would still feel better with more quality veteran presence (outside of Lee). I’m not saying that was or is easy to come by though.
Maybe I should have voted yes because I’m more happy than unhappy, but I couldn’t honestly say I flat out approve to this point.
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by BillsfanfromDenmark on May 8, 2010 8:41 AM EDT reply actions
If they get Gaither would anybody really vote “no” in the next one?
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Probably not....depends on what they give up to get him.
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I have a feeling somebody would find a way
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by UZ on May 8, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
You have to get rid of that negative attitude, UZ ;-)
Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!
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I would.
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by norcaliangelsfan on May 8, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
And if they don’t get Gaither, how are people still voting “yes”!
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on May 8, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Because Rome wasn’t built in a day. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on May 8, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Your instructions:
Your assignment is to let us know what you think of the job that Buddy Nix has done so far. Again, this isn’t about what you think or hope will happen,
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on May 8, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude… I get the instructions. But he couldn’t have solved every problem to this point. I feel he’s addressed an adequate number of the problems in his short time as GM so I voted approved.
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by MattRichWarren on May 8, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
2 Problems
1) QB
2) LT
He hasn’t solved either.
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on May 8, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
That is true but the biggest problem this team had IMHO was the run defense and he has addressed that big time.
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I agree, to a certain extent. But I wouldn’t say that was our biggest issue. I like Edwards and Troup (although drafted a round too early for me). I am still a little concerned about our LB’s, resigning Ellison is very confusing to me, he doesn’t seem to fit the system.
I think a new coach/scheme is going to solve the run-stuffing problems, I don’t necessarily think the major issue was talent here. Also if we can establish some kind of offense and keep our defense off the field and well rested, that can only help. Furthermore, teams run on us because they are ahead in the 4th, skewing our stats against the run negatively.
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on May 8, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I think a new coach/scheme is going to solve the run-stuffing problems, I don’t necessarily think the major issue was talent here.
Are you joking here? This team was 30th in the league against the rush last year. they gave up an AVERAGE of 157 yards/per game, and 2,501 yards total just on the ground. And you are trying to tell me that the same players that couldn’t stop an old lady from crossing the street in a 4-3 defense are going to somehow magically be able to do it in a 3-4? The Bills had 1 maybe 2 guys who transitioned well into the 3-4 in their front 7. I have said this before and I will say it again; you rebuild because your team wasn’t very good and you can’t rebuild and keep all of those same bad players who were part of the reason that you stunk to begin with.
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I didn't say we would be fantastic
Like I said I think the stats don’t tell the true story… Our D spent entirely too much time on the field. Furthermore we were typically down in the fourth quarter, meaning teams ran on us late to eat clock. I can’t look at any specific players and say they are the reason for our poor run D.
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on May 8, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn’t the point of rebuilding to turn a weakness into a strength? So if they aren’t fantastic they need to be. Is it any one players fault? Of course not. But are you honestly telling me that if the Bills took all of the same players and just switched into a 3-4 they will all of sudden become better at stopping the run? I don’t buy that for a mili-second.
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Not everyone believes that QB is a problem.
At least not the most critical of problems. Personally, LT isn’t as bad as many make it out to be. But if you are going to run the ball effectively, then it becomes higher on the list. Depth is a bigger problem at LT. So what has been done so far is more than acceptable for a rebuilding team. Depth everywhere else.
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OK quick
Name our starter at LT and QB.
We are not a play-off team until we address these positions.
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on May 8, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
It's got much more to do than postion.
It is a team sport. It will take all eleven on the field. It is a game that scheme and intelligence in reading schemes then executing that plan all comes into play. These things are all being done as we blog here. Until the names change and the games are played, it is a hell of allot more about team than it is position. You name the starters if you want, I will let training camp determine that.
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agreed
the ravens won a super bowl with trent dilfer at the helm. why? because the ravens “blitzed all night” and made people “remember, forever, the night they played the ravens”. what that translates to is that they had a defense that flat-out couldn’t be moved and didn’t need to score a lot to win. now i am by no means comparing those two defenses but i am saying that you can get by without a qb in the short term if you’re solid in other areas, something i believe nix has worked towards doing.
now i said the short term because like most, if not all, of us believe, a team needs a franchise qb to win in the long run. i was also very disappointed when we didn’t draft clausen twice (and he was the only qb i really liked in this draft) but it’s obvious that nix was not the only gm who saw something wrong with this kid. so what do you want nix to do? force a pick on a qb he doesn’t believe in? or trade for a guy like campbell who has a lot of question marks too? it is hard to adress a position when you don’t believe in the people you’re attempting to fill-in with.
The “team” doesn’t throw the ball or provide backside protection for the person throwing the ball.
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on May 8, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Its not like we had2 firsts and 2 seconds. We couldn’t address every position of need in one draft. It would have been nice. But just not reasonable. If they drafted a QB and LT, people would have been criticizing them for not addressing the defense. Which, because of the switch to a 3-4, needed more attention than the offense. Chix was adamant that they wanted to run and stop the run. Clearly, that is how they approached the draft. That has been a proven recipe for success.
But we drafted a RB when we had 2 quality RBs.
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on May 8, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
If there were only two problems on this team I’m Superman. Rush defense, pass rush, homerun threat…
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by MattRichWarren on May 8, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey now
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not to get ahead of myself but i just saw this…
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/08/ravens-ot-gaither-a-no-show-on-saturday/
He’s there getting treatment, hence his not being on the field. So yeah – you get ahead of yourself. :)
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by Brian Galliford on May 8, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
If they get Gaither would anybody really vote "no" in the next one?
I voted no, but wouldn’t if they got Gaither. Although, I’d probably switch to undecided until Chan Gailey made me a believer or until I see what they do at QB next offseason.
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If they get Gaither would anybody really vote "no" in the next one?
I sure wouldn’t. That’s my biggest issue LT, With a trade for Gaither, I 100% approve. Until then color me undecided.
Because if we start the season with what we have, I just don’t think they can adequately assess the QBs we have.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on May 8, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
If they get Gaither, I go squarely into the YES column no questions asked
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
I voted NO
I think we missed a couple of opportunities this off season to improve are player personal and are coaching staff with Buddy in charge.
1. He didn’t trade M. Lynch in the draft, then drafts a Running back in the 1st rd to even lower Marshawn trade value.
2. He didn’t address are QB situation properly IMO and he obiviously sees that it’s a problem because off the way he pursued D. Mcnabb and I don’t give credit for trying to pursue a QB we need results
3. Didn’t help address are O-line in the draft properly and in free agency and don’t tell me Cornell Brown is solid he was terrible in oakland
4. There more but I just don’t fell like typing anymore lol
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Backs and other players similar to Marshawn Lynch were going for 6th round picks. Lynch has so much more value than a sixth round pick IMO.
How could he have addressed the QB position properly? Donovan McNabb chose to go to the Redskins over the Bills. Should the team have offered more than a second round pick for an aging QB? Nix knows we need results but not at the cost of mortgaging the rest of the team.
They didn’t address the OL? They drafted an OT and OG in the draft and brought in a large number of UDFA linemen. If they hadn’t drafted so many LBs, people would be complaining about that, too. DO you really think the Bills chose to forsake OL just cause? How many free agent OL were even out there?
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by MattRichWarren on May 8, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
They drafted an OT and OG in the draft and brought in a large number of UDFA linemen
None of these guys were drafted to be starters, probably not even in the future, in general these are depth guys… Furthermore if you are putting stock in UDFA our team is in BIG trouble.
I am pretty sure Moe was trying to say that Nix refused to address the O-line in a quality (starter) fashion.
I do agree with you on Lynch, Nix’s hands were tied… But you have to deal with the cards you are dealt, so drafting Spiller is perplexing.
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on May 8, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Really? Calloway wasn’t drafted to start?
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by UZ on May 8, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Not this year or probably next… He will be a guard, whom do you see him starting over, Levitre or Wood?
Until Hang becomes a backup and Wood gets moved to Center, he cannot be a starter.
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on May 8, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
If Buffalo is PLANNING on finding starters in the 7th round, they’re in worse trouble than I ever imagined. Fortunately, I don’t think their dumb enough to believe they’re smarter than everyone else.
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by Port Royal on May 8, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
couldn’t have said it better!
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by Jason from OH-IO on May 8, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
you take players in the 7th round to develop them, the same as undrafted FA.
They certinaly won’t be pushing these guys to start year one, but year 2,3,4 is where these guys would be developed enough to start.
Come on guys – you’re acting a little unreasonable at this point – this is common knowledge kind of stuff
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on May 8, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s common knowledge that players drafted late are statistically predicted to have no impact at any point in their career. It’s common knowledge that Buffalo hasn’t drafted an offensive tackle before the 5th round of the draft since 2002. It’s common knowledge that Buffalo has had a bad offensive line throughout the course of their decade outside of the playoffs. This is all common knowledge.
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by Port Royal on May 8, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
then why do you guys think they are doing a terrible job when they have the same issues that plague every team?
you try to hit on one or two of these guys – or else why would they even have a draft after the 4th round? you take guys you think you an develop and guys with a high ceiling which is what they did.
when you’re talking about a Calloway that is moving to an easier position to play than what he played in college that has the size intangibles that you look for in a player then taking that guy makes a ton of sense especially if he’s sitting where he was sitting. The Calloway pick has the potential to pay big dividends which is why if you take guys like that you CAN get impact on players drafted later.
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on May 8, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
How many other teams haven’t addressed offensive tackle before the 5th round of the draft since 2002? I doubt that’s “every team”.
The poster above insinuated that a 7th round pick was drafted to be a starter and that’s absolutely ludicrous. If he develops into one, great, but there’s no way you can point to drafting a guy in the 7th round as a credit to Nix in his re-building effort. A 7th round pick is a flyer and if any team treated it as anything more, they would be absolutely out of touch with reality.
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it is not absolutely ludicrous to draft a guy in the 7th round to be a starter – that’s they they draft all these guys – to hopefully get a starter out of them
sure it might not work out – but that’s why you draft players to begin with – to get starters out of them – isn’t that the entire point of the draft?
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on May 8, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
“Hoping” is not a sound plan. Similarly, that why Buffalo’s approach at QB and LT are reckless in my opinion.
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by Port Royal on May 8, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you hope with a first round pick the same you hope for a 7th in a lot of cases – not evey pick in the first – but certanly a fair share
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by J2 on May 8, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Based on statistics, you CAN plan for your higher draft picks to be contributors.
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I'm not sure exacting what the gripe is...
You guys are complaining that they drafted guys late? Or waited that long to address the o-line? I can understand you being upset with drafting Spiller. I feel that’s a love it or hate it type pick, no real middle ground. I, for one, love it. But after that, NT was a huge need. To me Troupe was a better talent than any potential LT remaining. Its pointless to draft a LT later than the first round for us, we already have 2 project Tackles, why add another. Plus, there was actually no blue chip tackles left when we drafted at 9. So why waste 2nd, 3rd, 4th round talent on a Tackle that’ll need as much development as Bell and Meredith, when we can get more talent at other positions and build depth and solidify our defense?
I am pretty sure Moe was trying to say that Nix refused to address the O-line in a quality (starter) fashion.
OK. So instead of Troup he drafts an OL. Then people complain about NT being Kyle WIlliams.
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by MattRichWarren on May 8, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I voted yes.
I didn’t hink that any of the big name QBs in this draft were worth a top 10 pick (aside from Bradford, who they had no shot at getting). Nix is, IMO, looking forward to next years draft, where at least four kids have legit 1st round talent. Hopefully, they play just poorly enough to get one of them. Those being Ryan Mallett, ARK, Andrew Luck,Stanford, Jake Locker, Wash, and Christian Ponder, Fla. St. The best and probable #1 overall pick is Locker. Think Big Ben without the character flaws.
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And what about LT? I kind of agree with you on the QB, but we can’t go year-in and year-out trying to fill more than one high profile needs.
It is also time to give up on trying to draft “project” guys in the later rounds whom we rely on to “someday” be our starting LT. We hit a homerun with Peters, but the vegas odds tell us getting the next pro-bowl LT past round 2 would be like getting hit by lighnting.
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on May 8, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I voted No for the first time (typically Undecided)
I had been voting undecided, because of this “build through the draft statement”. At this point:
•Chose to forgo addressing QB or LT with high-round picks in the NFL Draft
Let’s say he gets a trade done for a quality 24-year old left tackle. That would sway my vote 180-degrees to yes.
I REALLY disagree with those voting yest, I think that is an emotional optimistic response. If I had told you last year that your new GM would not fill (in some respects go out of his way to not fill) our LT and QB issues, would you really vote “yes”. Again, my opinion will change significantly if he addresses at least one of these positions.
Furthermore while we all LOVE Spiller (and I do), I think the Bills could not take the luxury of drafting a RB in the first round. I also think Troupe was a reach.
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on May 8, 2010 9:23 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I’m not happy they didn’t address OT and QB but given how the QB stuff has shaken out league-wide, I think the Bills did fine on draft day and in free agency. I would have rather had an OT at 9 but it’s not a litmus test for me. They can make more good decisions than bad and get my vote.
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by MattRichWarren on May 8, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
So if we go into this season without an answer (current or future) at QB and LT, you can still be happy?
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on May 8, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s hilarious how if they had drafted Bulaga and Clausen and both of them turned out to be huge busts, people would probably be crabbing about how bad Nix was at evaluating talent, but they’d be happy right NOW.
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by UZ on May 8, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey, at least there is potential for something good there, right now we have NOTHING.
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on May 8, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
right now we have NOTHING.
not really true.
on defense we have some solid players:
stroud, troup/williams, edwards/johnson – that front is actually pretty solid with some good depth.
ILB – Mitchell, Davis and Poz – 3 viable starters where only 2 can play – again decent depth
OLB – Kelsay, Schobel (under contract, hasn’t retired), Maybin, Batten – as long as Schobel stays this group might not be super terrible – but definately the weakest posttion on the defense.
S has solid players and depth with Byrd, Whitner, Wilson plus decent depth
CB has solid players in McKelvin, McGee, Florence plus good depth
so I would say we DO have a decent to pretty good defense. If we can get creative and get pressure on the QB some how then it could be top 12 defense. I beleive the run defense will be there and the pass defense has the players – it all hinges on getting to the QB – but we certainly do have something on defense.
Offense has some needs for sure and some really big ones – but we have some good pieces.
RB is set
Lee is good, but we have some serious unknowns in Johnson, Hardy, Easley
I like Nelson a lot as TE
I think the interior of our line has the potential to be very good as long as Wood is healthy – I also think Calloway could supplant Wood at RG while Wood slides in to C making it Levitre, Wood, Calloway (might take a little bit though).
our tackles need upgrading and so does our QB position most likely.
But to say this team is a mess is wrong – we have talent in good places and we have offensive minded people running O for once so that should make a world of difference.
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on May 8, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
NOTHING was in referenct to QB and LT.
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on May 8, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. Because I would be just as happy with an answer at LT and QB but nobody added at OLB and NT.
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by MattRichWarren on May 8, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
These Polls are Silly
If I am to believe the draftniks – which I don’t – then the rating would have to be unsatisfactory for someone who believes in building through the draft…
If the players we chose in the draft turn out to be the best players available for our system, then it would yes. Unfortunately I can’t see the future so it doesn’t really matter.
As far as other moves in free agency and restructuring the football organization, I would say yes, although even on that front it is still too early to tell. I think Gailey could be just what the doctor ordered, but lets see something on the field first…
I agree, but what else is going on?
When they trade for Gaither, then we can all have a love-fest.
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on May 8, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
A lot more ppl voted "yes" than I thought
I was expecting the yes-no ratio to be closer to 60-40 after the reactions to the draft.
Some really good Kool-Aid!
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on May 8, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s not Kool-Aid. You can put down those who voted yes but I’m not blindly following Buddy Nix into oblivion.
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by MattRichWarren on May 8, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL!!!! Now that should be your sig Matt :-)
I’m not blindly following Buddy Nix into oblivion.
Show me the baby CHIX, and it better not look like the pool boy from our vacation at Club Jauron!!!!!
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by Joe P. on May 8, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think you meant Bolivian
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by MattRichWarren on May 9, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Not thinking the draft was a homerun doesn’t make me a no. I just wished I was more enthusiastic about the draft. People who are skeptical are being portrayed as “haters” and “whiners” who “think they know more than people who do this for a living”. It’s really starting to get a little old. The reason it seems like there is more disagreement is b/c we are forced to repeatedly defend our skepticism. I’m not in love with the draft, but I think it was OK. I was just hoping for better than OK and, of course, I hope I am wrong.
by bluecollarbuffalo on May 8, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Undecided
I like everything that has happened to this point. Even the gutsy, arrogant notion that he would pass on a QB and LT early in the draft if favor of what is currently on the roster. With that being said, I realize that a LT could be brought in before the next poll. Still I am undecided until we have a Won – Loss record that can be compared to the old regime.
Allot of animosity here that he didn’t draft a QB early in the draft. Same for LT, to the point that mostly all have us finishing in the bottom five of the league before training camp even starts. There is even mention that we shouldn’t trade this or that for Gaitner because we may lose out on Locker etc….. There are more fans that want us to do bad so we can draft a QB early next year than solidify our LT position with a trade for Gaitner.
I like the QB’s we have on our roster, three of them anyways. Our O-Line needs depth and allot of it, but whose O-Line doesn’t need depth. Bill Cowher’s final words signing off of the 2009 season following the Bills win against the Colts 2nd team. “It was All about Ryan Fitzpatrick”. Even if he is a #2 guy, and comes in and doesn’t lose games for us, it allows us the affordability to strengthen our O-Line and pass rush going forward.
One Guy can strengthen our O-Line in many ways. Lets hope this gets done but still until the games are played and there is a W-L record to compare, I will pass on any QB in the future drafts and will remain undecided on Nix until we have a W-L record.
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This could not be farther from the truth in my case
There are more fans that want us to do bad so we can draft a QB early next year than solidify our LT position with a trade for Gaitner.
You may not like agreeing with the talking heads (I know I don’t), but they have been right about the Bills for the past few years. Barring a miracle turnaround this season, the Bills are going to be picking in the top five. I don’t want them to be….just my opinion of how I realistically see the season going with what we have on the roster. That puts us in position to draft a real impact superstar stud type player. Yes, I think it will be a QB, but it could be an LT like Jake Long or a DT like Suh or a WR like Calvin Johnson. You can debate who the Bills should take, but either way it should be an excellent player. The question then becomes, is getting Gaither worth losing out on whatever player we would have taken in the top 5? I say no, and I like Gaither and have been screaming for the Bills to draft an LT ever since Peters got traded. I just don’t think Gaither is a elite LT right now, therefore not worth a top 5 pick.
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voted yes
Primarily because Nix, as a GM, is doing things his way and doesn’t appear to be easily swayed by the media or the fan base. Were there more avenues to take regarding the draft and free agency? Of course. But I sincerely believe that Nix knows more about football and football players than anyone in the media or any fan and that his conviction to “Building” a competitive team from a 10 year nightmare deserves every benefit of the doubt we can give. If they get Gaither (or Jammal Brown), Nix will have improved this team in every area except QB and any deficiency at that position can be addressed in the future so the yes votes on a poll such as this will increase exponentially. Watch & see how this team progresses positively as we move forward….. I think we will all be surprised.
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I like it so far......
just as long as we can get to the other QB, get good o-line play, run the ball, and get big plays from evans and spiller.
It seems like Uncle Jesse and Cooter have a plan. I wish Waylon Jennings was still around to be narrator.
and keep our QB upright
It seems like Uncle Jesse and Cooter have a plan. I wish Waylon Jennings was still around to be narrator.
Yes
Voted yes. Nix has done what he said they were going to do. Weren’t going to sign alot of FA and we didn’t. Going into draft our needs are at almost every position so how could he not do O.K.? It’s a new regime that by all outward appearances to me appears to have a plan and their executing said plan. Hasn’t done anything yet that could be called “stupid”. Seem to be very professional so far. I’m happy.
PFT
reporting Gaither a no-show at practice this AM. He’s been replaced at RT after practicing there Friday and having been replaced at LT by Oher. Maybe they’re keeping him healthy while they finalize a trade (to the Bills!)
Some make it happen, some watch it happen and some ask, what happened?
very interesting.....thanks for the update
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by Brian Galliford on May 8, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t tase my dream bro!
That’s what happens when you let it run on the field these days.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on May 8, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Voted undecided. Mixed bag – lots of good, lots of bad.
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by Brian Galliford on May 8, 2010 11:45 AM EDT reply actions
I think I agree with this.
I voted NO, but after reading the comments and re-considering a bit, I would vote undecided now.
I guess I can wait on the QB. If Nix really didn’t like a QB in this draft, then so be it. Especially seeing how highly regarded next year’s QB crop could be.
But to not draft an LT in the first few rounds or even address it (to this point) is perplexing. Now, if they trade for Gaither….I would be MUCH happier. I would then be on the high end of undecided, as opposed to the low end of undecided, as I am now.
Other things that have me concerned: Drafting Troupe over Cody (personal preference)….drafting mostly small school prospects….Cornell Green…..Curtis Modkins……Chan Gailey should be our OC instead of HC…..wait, maybe my NO vote was warranted…..haha
And, even though I still feel the CJ Spiller pick was somewhat a luxury pick and indulgent, selfishly, I am loving it, because it will be alot of fun to watch him play the next few years. I say selfishly, because the fun of watching Spiller play will, in my opinion, come at the expense of how a team should be built….aka, the future Bills would have been better with a Brian Buluga instead.
by StroudFanClub on May 8, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But to not draft an LT in the first few rounds or even address it (to this point) is perplexing. Now, if they trade for Gaither….I would be MUCH happier. I would then be on the high end of undecided, as opposed to the low end of undecided, as I am now.
That is specifically why I voted no… I can live without a QB, because the options were limited… But there was ton of talent at tackle available, and still is (Gaither).
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on May 8, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
and still is (Gaither).
That’s why I voted undecided, they may have always had a plan and backup plan to address LT.
I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt for now.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on May 8, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Based on the “insructions” I voted no… We are not to predict what Nix could do.
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on May 8, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Therein lies the problem.
I like what he did if he gets a capable LT
I don’t like what he did if he doesn’t.
So I can’t really decide on if I like what he did, until I see if the LT position is further addressed or not.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on May 8, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
that's fine
the point isn’t to force somebody, or subtly coerce them into voting one way or the other. If you don’t really know ho you feel, that is fine.
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by MattRichWarren on May 8, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Undecided
I think that Nix has begun to get this organization on the right track and he has definitely made some gutsy calls to this point in his tenure. The only real reason that I am undecided at this point is that all these moves dont mean a darn thing until September when the games begin, and at that point we will know how well Nix is doing in rebuilding this franchise. But with all that being said I do like a majority of the decisions that have been made.
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by ajred12 on May 8, 2010 12:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I voted no, although it easily could have been undecided.
I like the way the FO has been reorganized with John Guy gone and Doug Whaley in his place. I wasn’t a fan of the Chan Gailey hire. I like the FA additions quite a bit. I had strong problems with the direction that I believe the draft indicates they are taking. So, it’s a bit of a back and forth for me. I voted no because I don’t agree with the long term plan that I think they have.
I believe you win in this league by passing and stopping the pass. The Bills did very little to upgrade those parts of the team and focused on the DL and took a RB instead. I’m really tired of hearing about the Jets and how they win by running the football. They went 9-7 in the regular season and did it with the best pass D in the league. They went out and got CBs and WRs and gave up RBs. They clearly don’t have the long term plan of winning with a run defense and pounding the run. They want balance on offense and a strong pass D and that’s what the Bills should be aiming for.
The Jets run D was good last year, but unless you’re dominantly holding the opponent to around 3.5 yards per carry, there’s not much difference between a 3.8 or 3.9 ypc D like the Jets had or a 4.2-4.3 ypc D which is average. Seriously, it’s like 10 yards per game if the other team runs 25 times. The Bills defense last year is all the proof that fans should need that pass defense is much more important than run D, but I think Nix and Gailey have the old time football mind set where you win games by running and stopping the run. I’m sure Tom Brady and the other elite QBs who compete for Super Bowls year after year are quite intimidated by Torrell Troup and Alex Carrington.
Even if the Bills were to acquire Jared Gaither, I’d vote undecided and not yes. Until this team proves to me that they consider the QB to be as important a position as it really is, then I can’t think this team will ever win a SB. Looking at this offseason as a whole, I don’t see how the Bills have moved towards a Super Bowl enough for me to think this was a succesful first year of a rebuild
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by kaisertown on May 8, 2010 2:45 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Even if the Bills were to acquire Jared Gaither, I’d vote undecided and not yes. Until this team proves to me that they consider the QB to be as important a position as it really is, then I can’t think this team will ever win a SB.
But what were the Bills supposed to do this offseason to get a top notch QB? They, along with the rest of the league, obviously didn’t value Clausen or Colt McCoy. Wouldn’t it be fair to say they have done all they could to get a good QB? I mean I liked Jason Campbell but the Bills didn’t I guess.
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by MattRichWarren on May 8, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s a cop out to say there’s NOBODY out there to get to play QB. This team has had the worst QB play in the league since 2007 and it’s their job to upgrade in a serious manner. They didn’t do so and criticism is most definitely appropriate.
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It’s not a copout. Have you seen the list of available guys???? JaMarcus Russell, JP Losman, Marc Bulger…. these guys are never-will-bes and has-beens. You can criticize all you want but there were not definitive upgrades available this year except Donovan McNabb and Jason Campbell. I wanted Campbell, nobody else around the league wanted him badly considering what the Skins got for him. I wouldn’t have traded more than the Redskins did to the Eagles for McNabb, either.
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by MattRichWarren on May 9, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Right. So everybody else in the league just lucked into having NFL QBs and Buffalo is just unlucky that the musical chairs stopped before they got one. Why does the external always dictate Buffalo’s plans? The defeatist approach by the Buffalo kick returner factory is completely unacceptable.
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The defeatist approach by the Buffalo kick returner factory is completely unacceptable.
Looks like the Nick we all – or maybe just me – know and love is back full force.
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by Brian Galliford on May 10, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Why does the external dictate? Because there are a finite number of franchise QBs out there. If you can name 32 I’d like to hear them. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on May 10, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
That means that I wouldn’t dissapprove of the offseason if they didn’t get a QB, but I couldn’t approve of it either. Not with Buffalo ignoring OLB and the rest of the OL (with the exception of a stop gap RT) in favor of 3-4 DEs, a NT and CJ Spiller.
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by MattRichWarren on May 9, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
my philosophy
and apparently buddy nix’s:
if he is not THE guy, why waste all that time, money, and political capital on him?
it wasn’t a good QB draft, and while i don’t believe they’re counting on a certain guy i bet that they would play to the strengths of a draft/free agent class.
I’m OK with the Bills not drafting a QB. But you said in your last comment that the team didn’t give the Fitz or Edwards any help. And they remedy that with Cornell Green, CJ Spiller, Ed Wang and Marcus Easley? To me, that shows a complete lack of understanding of how significant the QB position is. If Buffalo was going to pass on a QB, the least they could do is attempt to significantly improve the situation they would be putting a rookie into next year. Jared Gaither would go a long way towards doing that, which is why I wouldn’t dissapprove of Nix’s performance if he could pull off that trade.
I also think that pass defense is twice as important as run D (at least). And it doesn’t seem like the Bills agree with me. I thought taking a 2 down, run stuffing NT in the 2nd round was poor team building philosophy. The Bills are desperate for Aaron Maybin to break out, because if he doesn’t, we’re one year away from having zero pass rush. The team’s three biggest needs went unaddressed during FA and the draft because Buffalo preffered 3-4 DEs, a NT and CJ Spiller.
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by kaisertown on May 8, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree.
I also think that pass defense is twice as important as run D (at least).
2009 Bills Pass Defense 2nd
2009 Bills Run Defense 30th
2009 Bills total Defense 19th
They are Both important. If you can’t stop the run, you will lose the close games in the 4th Qtr often, like we usually do.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on May 8, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
With zero offense. Do you honestly think the Bills didn’t have a good defense last year? With no help from the other side of the ball, the Bills D kept them in almost every single game last season. Find me a team that can’t stop the pass, has no offense and doesn’t finish as one of the couple worst defenses in the league.
Take the top defenses from 2008 that struggled this year as an example. Three teams finished amongst the 9 defenses that held opponents to under 20 points per game in 2008. The Giants, Titans and Dolphins gave up 18.4, 14.6 and 19.8 points per game respectively. Last season they gave up 26.7, 25.1 and 24.4 points per game. Those totals were all in the bottom six of the league. Here’s the difference between their 2008 and 2009 run and pass defenses:
NYG – 4,0 to 4.2 yards per carry and 6.8 to 7.4 yards per pass attempt
TEN – 3.7 to 4.3 ypc and 6.0 to 7.2 ypp
MIA – 4.2 to 4.2 ypc and 7.0 to 8.2 ypp
Tennessee had a big decline in run D, but the otheres collapsed when their pass defenses went south.
To get back to my first question of finding a team with a bad pass D with bad offense that didn’t have a terrible D, I looked and managed to find a couple. Going back over 10 years to 2000, I looked up the bottom 5 pass Ds and the bottom 5 run Ds from each year to see which teams could remain competitive.
First thing to do is throw out an anomally. Indy finished in the bottom 5 in pass D and run D in 2004, but with, by far, the best offense in the league, they finished 19th in points given up per game.
With Indy-2004 taken out, there were 7 teams that finished in the bottom 5 in pass D, but avoided the bottom 10 in points allowed; however, three of those teams (CLE09, CIN05, SD02) all finished with the 11th worst points allowed. That leaves four teams: In 2006, Atlanta finished 15th in points given up per game, Cincinnati finished 17th. 2005 had New England finishing 17th and 2000 saw Jacksonville finish 16th.
Since 2000, there have been 23 teams to finish in the bottom 5 in run D, but avoid the bottom 10 in points allowed per game. Not one of those teams finished in the bottom 13 in points allowed per game. 5 of those teams actually finished in the top 10 in points per game (NE07, BUF06, NYJ06, INDY05, ATL02). Another 11 teams finished in the top half of the league in ppg. So that’s 32% of defenses that finished in the bottom 5 in run D, but still finished in the top half of the league in points per game. For pass defenses, it’s 4% that finished in the bottom 5, but still managed a top 16 finish in points per game.
For me, it also comes down to my basic belief that you win Super Bowls with top notch QBs. So, to win it all, you need to beat those top notch QBs.
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by kaisertown on May 8, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
With zero offense. Do you honestly think the Bills didn’t have a good defense last year?
Show me where I said that?
the Bills D kept them in almost every single game last season.
True, leading the league in interceptions will do that.
To get back to my first question of finding a team with a bad pass D with bad offense that didn’t have a terrible D,
I just don’t see how this has any importantance to being able to stop the run in the 4th Qtr, Seasonal stats don’t tell the story of the 4th QTR.
If a team has a 7pt lead with 4 minutes to go, and they just keep running it down your throat and you can’t stop the run, the clock keeps going and your chance of getting the Ball back with time and a chance to tie it become very slim. We held some pretty good QBs to bad QB ratings, yet we got ran on quite a bit. and still lost them games.
If you have abysmal run defense you are going to lose close games in the 4th quarter because if a team can run the ball on you in the 4th QTR, They can control the clock and protect the lead or get a go ahead lead and leave you no time to score by controlling the clock.
You can frame stats any way you want,
But the philosophy of losing games in the 4th QTR if you can’t stop the run isn’t based on stats, it’s based on logic.
That’s why teams practice a thing called 4 minute offense, it’s about ball control and finishing the opponent off with no time left. Take a tie game If you can stop the run, but can’t stop the pass, many times you will get a chance at the ball back with time left on the clock to score a tie it back up score.
However if you can stop the pass but not the run and are giving up 5-6 yards a play, chances are they are gonna get the go ahead score with no time left. Game over.
Stopping the pass is great, but you have to be able to stop the run too if you want to win close games in the 4th QTR. We have lost a ton of them in the 4th QTR while Jauron was here.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on May 8, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with Kaiser. I feel "pass and stop the pass" has become more important
than “run and stop the run”. In fact, I think Football Outsiders is a proponent of this as well.
by StroudFanClub on May 9, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I totally agree with you kaiser
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What about?
Pass and stop the run, funny no one ever mentions that.
You always have a chance in the 4thQ, in a close game if you can do that.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on May 9, 2010 4:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually.
Should have said
Pass and Run and stop the run.
If you can’t stop the run late in the game, you are going to have a tough time pulling it out.
Stopping the pass is much more important early in the game.
Stopping the run is much more important in the 4th QTR.
Use the pass to get a lead in the 1st half, use the run to solidify the win in the 2nd half.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on May 9, 2010 4:15 AM EDT up reply actions
only one left
pass and run and stop the pass and run…that’ll work.
Some make it happen, some watch it happen and some ask, what happened?
I voted no......
still.
Because of you know who.
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by norcaliangelsfan on May 8, 2010 3:32 PM EDT reply actions
Kelsay?
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
I dont have the disdain for Kelsay as some others on this board........
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by norcaliangelsfan on May 9, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I will give Matlock credit for one thing though..........
He’s definitely doing things his own way around here……..
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by norcaliangelsfan on May 8, 2010 5:47 PM EDT reply actions
Gaither
Sure seems to be what will balance the proverbial scales of justice after reading all of these comments.
It is for me at least.
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on May 8, 2010 7:22 PM EDT reply actions
Undecided only until I see the baby on the field this fall
No one knows how good a team we have till it plays its first 4 games, at that quarter mark, I can make a better judgement.
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