Schobel: "I don't think I'm going to play"
Mark Gaughan and Allen Wilson at The Buffalo News spoke with Buffalo Bills defensive end Aaron Schobel on Thursday, and the nine-year veteran informed the two reporters that he's unlikely to return to the only NFL team he's ever played for.
"At this point I don't think I'm going to play," Schobel told Gaughan and Wilson.
Schobel, 32, also indicated that he'd be open to returning to the team at some point during the 2010 season if he was needed, but that he would understand if the team wanted to move on without him. The veteran end will not be participating in the team's mandatory mini-camp, which starts June 23, nor does he have plans to return at any point. He is not, however, referring to this decision as a retirement.
"I'm not ready to say I'm retiring but it's in the Bills' hands," said Schobel.
Drafted in the second round of the 2001 NFL Draft, Schobel has appeared in 133 games during his Bills career, accumulating 483 tackles, 78.0 sacks, 21 forced fumbles, 31 defended passes, three interceptions and a defensive touchdown in the process. Schobel was voted to the Pro Bowl in 2006 and 2007, and ranks second in team history in sacks behind the NFL's all-time sack leader, Bruce Smith.
And thus, it appears that Schobel's career with the Bills is over. Feel free to leave your thoughts on Schobel's illustrious career in the comments section.
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Could be he does want a trade/release, or he just doesn’t know his real intentions and it’s up to the Bills whether to decide to move on without him. It just isn’t a very clear statement.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 10, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, but "in the Bills' hands"
implies trade. if he is just saying its up to them to move on without him, he would simply retire. he is saying he has no interest in relearning his position now, or ever, and if they don’t want to get value in some way then just let him go. he earned it. if we are going in a direction that can hurt his career we owe him other opportunity. if he is the great DE that most fans feel he is. I always thought kinda just above average, but hey, pro bowl and all his years here, so i respect that.
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That's what I thought
This makes me think that the whole story isn’t being reported, as it never is. A possible interpretation is that Schobel’s told the Bills he would like to retire or be traded closer to home. Houston is closest, but New Orleans is most logical.
Starting the official Buffalo "Draft Owen Marecic in 2011" campaign.
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This was a post from what sounds like a close personal friend of Shobel’s in the PFT comments. It sounds thorough and legit to me:
“Aaron Schobel is not angry at the Bills. The reason why he is considering retirement is his family. His children have reached the age where they need to go to one school, rather than going to a Buffalo school for half of the year and a school in Texas for the other half of the year. He has decided that his children will only go to school in Texas, so they and his wife will remain there. However, he does not want to be separated from his family for potentially six months of training camp, preseason and the regular season. If he played for a team like the Houston Texans, he could spend a lot of time at home and he would be happy. If the Bills would let him go home after enough games and then return in time for the next game, he would be happy. However, if he must be separated from his family for an entire six month period, other than the bye week, then he will retire. This is what he means when he says that it is in the hands of the Bills. They can release him or possibly trade him and if he could play near his home for another team, he could continue playing. If the Bills would allow him to spend a lot of time in Texas with his family during the season, then he would continue to play for the Bills. It is really an unfortunate situation, because in some of the new DE rankings based on last year, Aaron Schobel was the most top DE in the entire NFL.”
If it’s indeed true that Schobel wants to be able to return home to Texas after games and then fly back for the next game, the Bills have an interesting decision to make.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 10, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I say let him do it. How about you Jeff?
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It’s tough because I hate making special arrangements for certain players. On the other hand, without him, we don’t have a whole lot at OLB and he’s probably earned speical treatment, new regime be damned. I’d probably lean towards letting him do it, but I could go either way.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 11, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I hear ya
the problem with special arrangements, especially for a new regime is that it sets a precedent. Then again, it could show that vets who do things the right way get rewarded. I hope Nix and Gailey have your mind set and will eventually lean to letting him do it. IF that report is accurate of course
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Thanks Aaron,
you are a swell guy.
Now lets trade him for anything we can!
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Clearly
He wants to be traded. Sack up and ask for it…. and then we can all realize no one will want to pay that salary, and we’ll realize he was overpaid. Then we’ll get all depressed.
More depressed.
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Fancy meeting you here! Grandpa’s 94th yesterday by the way… Not sure that Schobel is all that over priced for other teams/markets. Anyway I wish him well. Hard to teach an old dog and all…
Trade him. I can’t stand wishywashyness and/or gray areas. You either want to or you don’t. This is some Farve sh!t.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Jun 10, 2010 2:02 PM EDT reply actions
Hey, take it easy!
Man oh man,would hate to trade him, but he’s earned the right to be happy. Maybe Houston or Dallas would give us a pick for him?
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Jun 10, 2010 2:02 PM EDT reply actions
Cmon Neverend...
This is hardly Drama Queen Farve we are talking about!
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Jun 10, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
True... not exactly Farve scale...
I sound heavyhanded. I agree with the sentiment that he deserves to be on a playoff caliber team and it’s not at all his fault that our team has waded in mediocrity for a decade…
But seriously, say what you want… Maybe he doesn’t want to play here, I think a trade is what will make him happy and if he has communicated that to Nix, just come out and say it and be ready for the possible backlash from fans. (note: there will be no backlash from me, he is a warrior and one of my all-time favorite Bills.) If he doesn’t want to play football period, retire.
The team is probably planning on moving on without him, as Brian has highlighted before.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Jun 10, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
understandable.
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Jun 10, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure we can get anything for him now. All any time that Schobel is willing to play for has to do is wait
It doesn’t do any good for the Bills to keep him on the roster…..they will have to cut him eventually.
"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown
No, they won’t. They can put him on a Did Not Report or a Reserve/Retired list.
by Brian Galliford on Jun 10, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
i am unclear on this....
So if both sides do nothing…… What happens?
by MikeEverett08 on Jun 10, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Both sides won’t do nothing. If Schobel doesn’t retire or report to training camp, the Bills will stash him on the Did Not Report list and he won’t count.
They could also put him on the Reserve/Retired list, which also doesn’t count towards the 80 man roster. This is what the Packers did to Favre to hand the QB reins to Aaron Rodgers.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 10, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
So....
In both scenarios the Bills have the upper hand or if the put him on the lists is he free to look elsewhere?
by MikeEverett08 on Jun 10, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
No he is still under contract with the Bills in both scenarios.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 10, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
So if he's placed on the Reserve/Retired List...
how does that affect the salary cap? I’m sure he’s not paid while on it but could we use his salary to sign free agents? I’m sorry, I know he’s loved by the fans and people are trying to read into what he’s saying but he needs to just say what he’s going to do. Yes every athlete who has accomplished what he has does have the right to take some time and think about his career but this is month #5 and whether he wants to admit it or not with all his “at this point” and “don’t think” stuff he’s holding back progress. This is getting very old very quickly
So if he’s placed on the Reserve/Retired List… how does that affect the salary cap? I’m sure he’s not paid while on it but could we use his salary to sign free agents?
Placing a player on the Reserve/Retired list ensures that that player doesn’t count towards the roster limit or collects his salary. Basically, the team retains that player’s right, but they aren’t paid and don’t count as on the team. I know the Broncos used that to shave Rod Smith off their cap a few years ago.
As for signing free agents, I can’t imagine there will be many free agents available who are worth pursuing around that time (training camp). It would free up Schobel’s salary though, and you could spend that money on free agents if you so desired.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 10, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
how does that affect the salary cap?
If there was a salary cap, he wouldn’t count against it. But there isn’t.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 10, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
but the Packers didn't want Farve going to the Vikes....a division rival
The Bills have no such worries with Schobel. I just can’t think of a good reason why the Bills wouldn’t cut him if he isn’t going to retire on his own.
"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown
why?
why would they just cut him if they can put him on reserve/retired/did not report list and not pay him, then if someone wants him we can get something for him. kind of like playing with house money right? we don’t have to do anything really if he is thinking of retiring
Out of respect for what Schobel has done for the Bills, I would release him. We are not going to get much for him anyway
"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown
No Way...
I respect him too, but he made the decision to sign that contract, its not like he couldn’t count how old his kids were gonna be today…its not like he had to choose to have his kids in a TX school…
Im not sayin anything other than dont throw away a valuable player, the Bills should trade him to NO for a 4th rounder or better if they can get it…Schobel is a great player
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jun 11, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Hope your are right
Bills should trade him to NO for a 4th rounder
But I doubt anyone is going to give up much for one year of service from a situational pass rusher.
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I'm Sorry....
but; first..how do you know this? and,
second…“Both sides won’t do nothing” means both sides will do something.
I’ll answer your second for Jeff: he meant that at least one of the sides would do something. The double negative was intentional.
by Brian Galliford on Jun 10, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, sorry for the confusion. I meant that at least one side will do something eventually. Thanks Brian.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 10, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t necessarily “know” this, but if Schobel doesn’t retire or report to camp, I’m assuming the Bills would do the smart thing and put him on one of the lists available (Reserve/Retired or Reserve/Did Not Report) in order to use Schobel’s roster spot and seek some financial relief. These lists are in the collective bargaining agreement signed between the players assocation and the league. The Reserve/Retired list has been used semi-frequently in recent years, with Rod Smith, Favre, and Deuce McAllister being placed on it by their teams.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 10, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks.....but why bother putting him on one of those lists?
"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown
Mostly to clear him off the roster to use that roster spot.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 10, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess my point was that the Bills should just let him go.
"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown
It’s certainly an option, and one Nix might consider for a player of his stature. I’d try to snag some sort of asset for him though, if possible.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 10, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
agree
100%. its an option but if we are certain he won’t be playing for us then someone else better compensate us for him
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have to trade him. its either release him (we get nothing), he retires (we get nothing), or we trade him (we get a little something). I don’t really see how there are any options
by quantumuprising on Jun 10, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Schobel would have to agree to the trade, which at this point he has not asked for.
"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown
which at this point he has not asked for.
publically.
I would inferr that he has spoken to Nix about it in some capacity because of the “it’s in the Bills hands” comment
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by J2 on Jun 10, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
or publicly – depends on if your combining words
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by J2 on Jun 10, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would he have to agree to the trade? The Broncos traded Plummer a few years ago to the Bucs.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 10, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Has Plummer even retired yet?!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 10, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. He retired almost the day he was traded.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 10, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
and what did Denver get for him?
"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown
A seventh rounder. If Plummer had reported it would have been a fourth.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 10, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
meh......might as well just cut him now.
"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown
Ditto Quantumofwisedom
Sooner makes more sense..
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Jun 10, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm
I wonder if a good bit of this stems from transitioning him to OLB? I bet he wants to play in a 4-3.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 10, 2010 2:09 PM EDT reply actions
Do any Texas teams play 3-4s?
I know N.O. does…Gregg Williams knows him very well too(unfrtntly)
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Jun 10, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Oops 4-3 is what I meant!
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Jun 10, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Duh!(pounds own forehead)
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Jun 10, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Houston is the logical destination, as they play a 4-3.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 10, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
New Orleans
Because of Gregg Willaims,actually makes the most sense. Although they do have a great D as it is.
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Jun 10, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that’s a fit as well, because of the Gregg Williams connection. They have Will Smith at one end, and recently signed Alex Brown on the other side.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 10, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Will Smith
The fresh prince of New Orleans.No really.That’s his nick-name.
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Jun 10, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d imagine Buffalo would be more apt to trading him to the NFC. Not that this team is going to contend for anything meaningful in January any time soon, but still.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 10, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I think, if you’re the Bills, you take anything from anyone for Schobel at this point, possibly excluding a division rival. It’s a weird scenario because Schobel’s intentions are unclear, but I can’t imagine the Bills getting more than a 7th rounder.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 10, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
really? a 7th?
that seems really really low. and this from a “particular individual” who feels like he is not really all that good. Not sure (hahaha) if he is a second but i could maybe argue a 3rd… he has experience, high motor, high character, and good production. teams need that. sorry for the dumb references that i am getting a kick out of… but Idiocracy is so underrated.
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I’d say 4th is the best we can do as he’ll probably only have 2 or 3 impact seasons for a team. If we can get a 4th i’d jump on it and that’d be that
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by J2 on Jun 10, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
For trading purposes, Schobel’s contract sucks. Big-time. Throw in his wishy-washy attitude towards playing and his desire to be on only a handful of teams, you’re left with little market for him.
I mean if you’re the Saints, you know you’re one of like 3 teams competing for Schobel, he makes a ton of money and he might be a one-year rental. Why offer very much?
by Jeff Winters on Jun 10, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Well who’d have thought the Bills would pay Terrell Owen what they did for a one-year lease?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 10, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
This is true. With the NFL, you just never know what can happen.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 10, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
wishy washy
in terms of returning to the bills and learning a new position.
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by Ren Diggity on Jun 10, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Mario Williams and Antonio Smith are the starters. Smith isn’t great by any means, but the Texans gave him a 5 year, $35 million contract in 2009. They could use Schobel as a situational pass rusher, which is probably what he’s best suited for at this point anyway.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 10, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
But he has stated in interview that he wanted/was better fit to play in a 3-4 OLB. I can’t remember where I read that… I think it was in Buffalo News… anyone care to dig?
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by NeverendingOptimism on Jun 10, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Couldn’t that have just been good soldier talk?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 10, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess it may have been.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Jun 10, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Great player for sure. Worked his butt off, never complained, never wanted the spotlight like so many other players who didn’t have twice the production he had. Just a great blue-collar guy, who so happened to be a terrific pass-rusher for many years here in Buffalo; kinda feel sorry for the guy that he had to live with Ralph Wilson’s mediocre franchise.
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Sort of reminds me of Evans
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Jun 10, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I really didn’t see him coming back once he mentioned he was thinking of retiring. He has already had a good career, and why would he want to come back to ANOTHER rebuilding project? I say to Schobel, good luck, and for the Bills, yes they lose their best pass rusher, but this only accelerates what we can see from the young OLB.
I mean, does anyone think having Schobel on the team would turn the Bills into a playoff team?
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Well gald hes kind of made a decision… but I think most of us saw this coming for a while. The only thing I dont like about it is him saying its up to the Bills… unless thats a backhand way of saying he would like a trade, then I understand… if not then I dont know why he would say that.
Either way. Congrats on a good career here in Buffalo Aaron. You were a class act the whole time here and you deserve shot at a ring, or retirement, which ever you choose. I didnt want him in Buffalo this year, not because I didnt like him… but because I think a parting ways for both parties would be good for both.
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Jun 10, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, when he didn't decide as quickly as he said he would, I thought he was pulling a Farve. Guess it was just wishful thinking :-)
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I smell a page straight out of the Michael Strahan play book. Aaron is 32 and wants to spend the summer with his kids. I think this is a vetern move. I predict he’ll be back by the third pre-season game against Cincy on August 28th. Write it down. (Bold predicition from a first time blogger, long time Rumbler reader.)
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 10, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
For whatever it’s worth, Adam Schefter agrees with you.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 10, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Schobel can do whatever he wants
Aaron Schobel was far and away my favorite Buffalo Bill from this past decade along with Terrence McGee. Schobel was the consummate pro – hard working, quiet leadership, production, hustle, heart, no complaining. I like that he’d be willing to return to the team sometime in 2010 if we needed him. Lets be serious guys, we are switching to a 3-4, its a new era in Buffalo and Schobel doesn’t really fit here anymore. Nonetheless, he is a baller and a warrior and he would find a way to make himself useful in any scheme at any time. He’s taking the right attitude for himself and the Bills. He’s letting us know his heart isn’t in it right now but that if the team ends up needing a warrior he might be willing to answer the call. Unlike everyone calling for him to be traded or mad at him for taking his team, I like the idea that even though he doesnt feel he can commit he may be willing if we were to need him at some point.
Do whatever you want Schobes, we were going to hurt at OLB with or without you, and you’ve earned it for being a stand up guy in a decade of play that was well beneath what you deserved. Thanks for giving me something to be proud of year and and year out as a fan and thanks for the memories. I wish you the best and you’ll be missed.
i might purchase a Schobel jersey out of respect. Love the way he played, love the way he carried himself, a true Buffalo Bill and always will be. Cheers to a great career.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 10, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
as much as i hate to see him go its probably best for both team and schoebel to move on
if he wants to play closer to home i think buffalo should accommodate him and trade him
he has earned it he is a class act and i feel he doesnt want to upset anybody by asking for a trade/release
maybe we can get a schoebel for brown/bushrod
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we can only hope. I would take a dozen footballs and a half a stick of double mint gum for him at this point. He is of little use to the Bills
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I'd hold out...
for a full pack of Beech-Nut Fruit Stripe gum. He’s worth it!
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Man....haven't had that in years
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 10, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s old-time candy?
Crap I’m getting older
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I’m sorry but this tangent must continue…
PB Max was the single best candy bar ever made. There are sites on the net dedicated to its greatness.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 11, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Jun 11, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
“There would be a couple of things to change my mind,” Schobel said. “It ain’t over yet, but we’ll see what happens.”
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If that isn’t cryptic and full of meaning, I don’t know what is.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 10, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks Schobel.....
good luck with whatever you decide to do…..
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jun 10, 2010 2:56 PM EDT reply actions
yeah
probably Schobel… budump chhhhh… sorry. you meant for us. oh…. then, umm… No haha. No no haha…. aaaahhhhh…. No…. sorry but no.
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See you when I see you. It’s obvious his heart is not in it. I don’t like this pussy footing around. “It’s in there hands” give me a brake. I believe we still get hit with his salary if he doesn’t retire and we let him go . As good as he has been in the past . It’s time we move on. Next I hope is Ellison,Kelsay, McCargo & Cotto. Now guys like Batten, Coleman, can get more reps. These are rookies hungry and should bring a a lot of energy and competition.
This annoys me.
Why say one thing with the inlcusion of implying another? He should just say whatever it is he wants to. Retire, trade, release whatever. This team is in the midst of a major reconstruction, and his decision weighs heavily on the outcome of the roster. If his mind is set then he should just say what he wants. I hate the cryptic answers in interviews. Talk to management so the team can move on, either with or without him.
Those are some selfish comments
Its in the Bills’ hands? No it isn’t. You’re the one who decides whether to retire or not. If you want to be traded, say so. Don’t come out and talk about not playing this year, then say its not in your hands.
Instead of being vague and placing everything in the Bills’ court, Schobel needs to make his decision. Its one thing to skip OTA’s with plans to play. Its a whole other thing to be doing this, and leaving the franchise that’s given you millions in the lurch like this.
Oh well. Enjoy whatever you do next Schobel. Thanks for your service.
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by Kurupt on Jun 10, 2010 3:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I have heard from someone who survived the regime change
and works at OBD with the players that Schobel was moody and brooding and sort of distant. I think his comments are consistent with what I’ve heard about him….time to move on and leave the past behind.
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by TatonkaDonk on Jun 10, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Any time i’ve ever seen or heard Schobel, what you describe above rings true. He seemed to be a loner. I have to wonder how much accolades meant to him, and if winning was (or still is) a huge goal. He spent 10 years losing in Buffalo. I think he might have sought an out long ago if it was to play for a contender. The Bills paid him handsomely and now he and his family are likely set going forward. That is, if he invested well.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 11, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
If he invested well? I don’t know if I could spend 50 million or whatever he had made in a lifetime without investing a penny! :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 11, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
The thing I’ve always heard from people inside the Bills is that if you combined Schobel’s talent with Kelsay’s work ethic, you’d have a perennial Pro Bowler.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 11, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Salute Aaron...
As with all athletes it is time to retire or move on. I hope the Bills can make a move that satisfies your desire to play closer to home on a contender or you retire a Buffalo Bill.
I salute your years of service and outstanding play during the Bills dismal 2000’s you were a stand up guy that gave his all. You were a bright spot in this darken era of futility.
If the Bills can get a 7th rounder for Ko Simpson, a player that can still rush the passer and has the work ethic like Schobel should be worth a 5th. To the Bills management let this player leave the team with dignity and class!!!
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He said, "I'll only play for Buffalo."
I think it’s a money issue and he wants to stay….If he wanted to go, why keep it secret? It’s no big deal, tons of old pros go out with a winner.
I hope he wants to be traded cuz I think he has trade value and of course we should want something in return. You don’t give value away, especially when your down as low as we are…Sheesh! I would think around a third rounder for 2011.
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Where did he say “I’ll only play for Buffalo.”? Certainly not in any of these reports.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 10, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno...
I read ALOT of Bills stuff, I dunno, however, it struck me very odd that he said that, I definItely read that somewhere.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 10, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Just found it.
He said it to the Buffalo News in their article, not the Billboard post.
“There is only one place that I would even consider going to and that’s Houston because it’s so close to home and I know the defense and I know Bill [Kollar, the Texans’ defensive line coach who held the same job in Buffalo],” Schobel said. “But I don’t even know if I’d play in Houston at this point. I really wanted to finish my career in Buffalo.”
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 11, 2010 6:32 AM EDT up reply actions
http://www.buffalonews.com/2010/06/10/1078071/schoble-appears-through-with-bills.html
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 11, 2010 6:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks all! Happy to finally be commenting. I really think this is a vetern move. We know veterns dread camp and from what we’ve seen and read, Chan is not going to run “camp cup-cake.” So, when he says “It’s in the Bills hands”, I think he means “let me go and I’ll evaluate my options. Otherwise, see you in late August.”
Thanks for commenting. Keep it up.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 10, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
So, when he says "It’s in the Bills hands", I think he means "let me go and I’ll evaluate my options. Otherwise, see you in late August."
I agree with you. I’m not so sure he’s implying he wants a trade. His comments are pretty non-conclusive if you ask me.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 10, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Bills approach should be no different than the approach taken with Marshawn.
He is contracted to play, just b/c he is sick of losing and doesn’t want to be part of the rebuild process and 3-4 D doesn’t mean the Bills should just release him. I think/hope Chix will stay strong on this.
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I’m not so sure this is about losing. Like I said above, he endured 10 years of it. He’s likely numb at this point. I think a ton of it surrounds his switch to a 3-4 ’backer.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 11, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
BTW – I highly doubt they will be able to trade Schobel because of his high salary even with his 10.5 sacks last year.
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Plus if they trade him and he reports, the team he reports to has to pay his roster bonus from April.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 10, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
He could always renegotiate it
Or take a pay cut if he wants to play..
Is his $6+M salary really that prohibitive?
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by Kurupt on Jun 10, 2010 4:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He could certainly take a pay cut to move to another team, but I think it’s highly doubtful he’d do that. He doesn’t strike me as wanting to play badly enough to take less money to do so.
And yes, for trading purposes, his salary makes it rough.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 10, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn’t taking a pay cut to play somewhere pay him more than retiring and not earning anything this season? Am I confused in thinking he won’t be paid by Buffalo if he retires?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 10, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
No you’re correct that he won’t get paid if he retired. So yes, he’d get more by taking a pay cut and going someplace else. I have to say though, Schobel strikes me as the kind of guy who isn’t about the money because he’s been smart with what he’s earned.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 10, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, I said something similar above. I know if it was me, i’d probably try and earn whatever I could before my time was done. So yes, i’d think that earning even 1 million a year in a situational role would be very enticing to add to the nest egg.
How crazy it sounds for me to talk as though 1 million is such a small amount.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 11, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought he was around $9 million...
I wonder if he would renegotiate to a lower base in order to be traded????
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You were closer, Goose. It’s $8.025M. He has to report and pass a physical in order to earn that roster bonus from what I have been hearing.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 10, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Aka: this likely isn’t about money. If it was, then i’m sure he’d simply report and take a physical for the 2 million. Something wrong with that. I have to pay my doctor a co-pay to get a physical!
I do wonder if this is more about the team wanting to modify his contract, rather than Schobel wanting a change. I don’t think he’s money-hungry, but I bet he wonders why take a pay cut when he’s been the heart of the team’s defense for 10 years.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 11, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
With most guys retiring it’s not about game days. It’s about the prep during the week. If Schobel could show up on Sundays and play, he would do it in a heartbeat. I think this is more about him wanting time concessions during the week that Gailey rightfully won’t give him.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 11, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I think this is more about him wanting time concessions during the week that Gailey rightfully won’t give him.
I think this is Schobel’s entire issue in a nutshell.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 11, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Is his $6+M salary really that prohibitive?
I would think so. We signed T.O. for 6.5 last year and people out there are saying he’s not going to make that much this year.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 10, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
What does a washed up TO have to do with Schobel?
If some team feels Schobel can come in and start for them, while improving their pass rush, don’t you think they’d be more than willing to pay his $6M salary for the year?
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
You were one of the guys calling Schobel washed up last offseason, saying that dealing with that injury was going to really affect him going forward.
I’m saying 6M isn’t chump change. That’s all. And I think it’s a reason he will be hard to trade. That and finding the right situation where he won’t have to be there 100% of the time. For 6 mil I would want my guy 100% there. He told the Buffalo News he might not even play for the Texans and Bill Kollar.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 11, 2010 6:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying Schobel will play
or that some team would want him. Just a generic statement about if some team wanted Schobel (or a carbon copy) and thought he could really help, $6M wouldn’t be something really stopping them.
And I still don’t see how TO has anything to do with him.
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T.O. was an example. Nothing to do with Schobel specifically but the numbers were close.
And Schobel is owed $8M.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 11, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Is Schobel due $8M if traded?
Or just his $6M salary?
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I don’t think he can collect his roster bonus until he passes a physical. Therefore, if he’s traded I would think his new team would be on the hook for that.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 11, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Special Treatment
I think Schobel wants special treatment, so he can visit Texas and his family during the season. My guess is he wants extra days off during the season and/or training camp. My other guess is that Nix/Chan don’t want to give it to him.
if they can trade him
for almost any value, they should pull the trigger. im not there that many wanting him, but they should def be talking to some other teams right about now if he wants to be traded. i wouldn’t release him tho, i would want something for him leaving if he plans on playing this year….
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two things....
maybe he’s pulling a bruce smith and just skipping camp….does anyone know for sure what he’s getting paid this year?
his contract may have been front loaded, meaning it’s not that bad OF a cap-hit for another team.
Or he might want more to play this year for us….
if you want to find the truth in the NFL, you follow the money.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 10, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Options
Since he did say its in buffalos hands we either give me a good deal on something or we trade him. I think our best bet would be trade he doesnt want to play in Buffalo thats understood. Maybe we get something good for him. If we release him it would be rough we get nothing out of it.
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Nickel & Dime defenses
just because you’re running a base 3-4 doesn’t mean you won’t be running Nickel or Dime packages. I’m not sure what y’all have done with him in the past in this scenario but considering the pass rusher he is you’d think he could still line up on the end in passing situations?
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by KansasCityShuffle on Jun 10, 2010 9:07 PM EDT reply actions
I don’t think the defense we’re running is the whole problem. Would you want to keep playing in Buffalo after the last 10 years?
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by UZ on Jun 10, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps it’s because I will never make anything near what Schobel makes, but yes, i would, if they wanted to continue paying me.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 11, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybin better get real good real fast. Any info as to why we haven’t entertained adalius Thomas? Or manae?
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I have no idea who Manae is… unless you’re talking about Kevin Mawae, who is absolutely irrelevant to this discussion. :)
Adalius Thomas stinks. I realize that that’s hard to say given how dire our OLB situation is, but Thomas is a guy I wouldn’t touch with a ten-foot pole. He’s done in this league.
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If Bill Bellichick gives up on a guy, usually it’s a good sign he might not have a lot left to offer. Bledsoe included.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 11, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I want to preface my following statement by saying that Schobel is one of my all time favorite Bills..
but he needs to just make a freaking decision. Brett Favre is able to come in during the preseason because he’s playing a position he’s been great at for a thousand years in what’s basically the exact same system he ran under Holmgren, so there’s plenty of familiarity there. If Schobel thinks he’s going to just roll in on the second preseason game not having taken any previous reps at a position that is all foreign to him (3-4 OLB), he’s going to be more of a hindrance to the team that an asset.
I want him to play in the worst way...
but only if he gets his happy you know what to training camp.
Thanks Aaron.
I’d like to see him come back but I can completely understand why he wouldn’t want to. He’s been one of the most productive and loyal guys we’ve had in a long time. A lot of guys would have demanded a trade from Buffalo after the first Pro Bowl selection.
No matter what happens I wish him the best. Either way I’ll continue to wear his jersey on Sunday.
he's kidding right???
“I’m not ready to say I’m retiring but it’s in the Bills’ hands,” said Schobel.
ummmm, how bout no arron (said in my best Dr. Evil voice)….. the decision is yours…. save us the roster bonus & call it quits already.
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Bravo, Mr. Schobel.
I’m glad he won’t be around to smack around my quarterback anymore.
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