Bills need big year from Maybin, OLB crew
Aaron Schobel isn't retiring, but he isn't returning to the Buffalo Bills, either. At age 32, Schobel revealed to various media outlets on Thursday that he had no intention of reporting to Bills OTAs or mandatory training camps, and while he didn't rule out a return to the team at some point, he sounds all but done with football for this organization.
Schobel leaves the organization with 78 career sacks, good for second in team history behind the NFL's all-time sack leader, Bruce Smith. Schobel led the Bills in sacks in eight of his nine professional seasons; in that same time frame, the highest total any of his teammates posted in a single season was six, posted by now-departed Ryan Denney in 2006. To say that Schobel has been Buffalo's only pass-rushing threat for the past decade would be quite the understatement.
Buffalo now has six outside linebackers under contract as the team makes the transition to the 3-4 alignment under new defensive coordinator George Edwards. Combined, those six players have 28.5 career sacks. If you're worried about Buffalo's pass rush entering the 2010 season, you're not alone. The team has some talent at this position, but this young group will be under a lot of pressure to produce now that Schobel is out of the picture.
Let's start by briefly going over Buffalo's outside linebacker depth chart.
Left Outside Linebacker: Playing on the strong side of the alignment, these players will be better run defenders than pass rushers, and will deal with tight ends more often than the right outside linebackers.
Chris Kelsay: As the Bills' new resident veteran pass rusher, you'd hope that Kelsay would be the team's active career leader in sacks; he's not. That honor belongs to Marcus Stroud. The 6'4", 261-pound Kelsay is the most athletically limited player in this group, but his chances of making the roster actually improve with Schobel out of the picture, as the Bills could use his experience on the roster. Has the look of being a very situational player at LOLB only, but only an unusually strong pre-season from Ellis will keep Kelsay off the roster at this point.
Reggie Torbor: He's never played outside linebacker in a 3-4 alignment at the NFL level, but entering his seventh pro season, that's what he's being asked to do as the newest member of the Bills. He played OLB in the 4-3 for four years in New York, and spent the last two at ILB in Miami's 3-4 defense. Edwards is very familiar with Torbor's abilities, so he's got that going for him, but 6.5 career sacks and a position switch keep Torbor as strictly a depth option for the time being.
Chris Ellis: Entering his third year out of Virginia Tech, Ellis is a forgotten man thanks to his two highly anonymous pro seasons. He's barely played to this point in his career, and no one's quite sure how his 261-pound frame will transition to 3-4 OLB. Right now, he looks like a better fit on the left side due to his size, but run defense has never been his strong suit. The jury's still out on this guy, but there's such a lack of talent at this position that a strong pre-season will likely ensure his roster spot.
Right Outside Linebacker
Playing on the weak side of the alignment, these players will be the team's go-to pass rushers; they'll be better athletes, more instinctive players, and ideally, these guys are your playmakers.
Aaron Maybin: Drafted No. 11 overall in the 2009 NFL Draft, Maybin's rookie year was very forgettable, but no one denies that his talent is great, and his potential remains enormous. Like Ellis, he barely played in 2009, but with Schobel out of the picture, his playing time - and in all likelihood, the starting right outside linebacker spot - is now guaranteed. Say it with me, folks: Buffalo's best pass rusher - the one player with the most talent at getting after the quarterback - has zero career sacks. Yikes.
Danny Batten: Some believe that Batten, a sixth-round pick out of South Dakota State, is a better fit on the strong side of the alignment, as he's not a phenomenal pass rusher (though he's certainly capable), and his size and athleticism will make him an excellent coverage player. I tend to agree with that summary. However, Buffalo is so desperate for athletic depth at the pass-rushing OLB position that I'd be shocked if he didn't become Maybin's chief understudy immediately. Batten has a real opportunity to get a lot of playing time in 2010.
Antonio Coleman: With 27.5 career sacks in the SEC, many draft experts were somewhat surprised when this Auburn product went undrafted. He was very productive in college, and has the athleticism and instincts to play at this level. He doesn't hold up well against the run, so he'll be used almost exclusively on the right side. Buffalo is so desperate for a pass rusher to emerge that Coleman's got a fantastic shot of sticking with this team.
I won't include Arthur Moats' name in this analysis, but don't forget about him, either. A fellow sixth-round pick (out of James Madison) along with Batten, Moats was a college defensive end, but has been used at inside linebacker since entering the league. Drawing comparisons to James Harrison coming out of college, it wouldn't surprise me if the Bills saw fit to, at a bare minimum, give Moats reps at OLB, if not move him there permanently down the line.
The bottom line here is that when Chris Kelsay is your most accomplished 3-4 OLB with 22 career sacks in seven seasons, you've got serious, serious issues on the horizon. The crux of the pass rush will be on Maybin's shoulders, and given his inexperience at his new position, that's a ton of pressure resting on the 22-year-old's shoulders. The rest of the depth chart is young and possesses intriguing talent, but like Maybin, they're wholly unproven (though, luckily for them, they won't be under nearly as much pressure). The jury's still out on Torbor, who is a much more natural fit on the inside. He hasn't been asked to play a predominant pass-rushing role since his days as a defensive end at Auburn, which ended in 2003.
We're going to be talking about Aaron Maybin a lot over the next several months, folks. Like it or not - fair or not - he's got to have a big season.
59 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Schobel
I am not sure what it is, but something about what Schobel is doing rubs me the wrong way. I appreciate what he has done, and his work ethic. I am not sure if it is his fault he wants out, but WTF this kind of pi$$es me off.
by Kelly to Reed Touchdown!! on Jun 11, 2010 8:14 AM EDT reply actions
I feel the same way for the most part
I feel kind of selfish thinking that way, but it bothers me a little too. If you want to retire then retire. I understand the family aspect but is he the only NFL player that has to deal with that decision? It comes with the job description – this is why you got the big contract.
Imagine if he goes to play for Houston. Can you picture a scenario where a Pro Bowler fell right into the Bills’ lap? “I’m sorry, but I really need to be with my family in BUFFALO”.
One of these days I'll think of something clever to put here...
Schobel
appears to be torn. He is a consummate professional and I do believe the decision is a tough one to make. He makes a lot of money but he also doesn’t want to continually uproot his family or be away from them. That’s commendable in my eyes
Brian, Danny Batten is from S. Dakota State not San Diego State
by gatornation on Jun 11, 2010 8:22 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Brian, Danny Batten is from S. Dakota State not San Diego State
I’ve gotten that right once in about 12 tries since April 24. WTF
by Brian Galliford on Jun 11, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions
What did he expect when he signed that huge contract?
by Kelly to Reed Touchdown!! on Jun 11, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
A winning season...
maybe a trip to the playoffs. Not another coaching change and definitely not learning a new position!
by IronEagle119 on Jun 11, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t return either if a punter beat me out for player of the decade.
In the long run this move doesn’t really matter. Schobel wasn’t going to be on the next really good Bills team so they should have been looking beyond him as soon as Nix took over.
So even prior to Schobel’s, um, announcement?, the Bills needed a big year from Maybin. All this does is open up more opportunity in the short run for other players.
So even prior to Schobel’s, um, announcement?, the Bills needed a big year from Maybin.
I disagree. I don’t think Maybin would have even started if Schobel had returned to the team. A big year would have been nice; improvement would have been nice, too. Now Maybin goes from probable situational player to THE CRUX of the pass rush. The situation changes drastically, even in a “we saw this coming” situation.
by Brian Galliford on Jun 11, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions
the good thing about this is that OBD should have a better idea if Maybin can actually play the position and be an asset in the long run. let’s face it this year will not be a good year in all likelihood so let’s see what the kid’s got.
I share your opinion of Batten, I really like the way he plays the game and if he can transition to eh pro level could replace Kelsey sooner rather than later.
I wouldn’t return either if a punter beat me out for player of the decade.
I’m sorry but that’s a bushleague comment. Brian Moorman is a stud.
Buffalo Rumblings Premiere League 2009 Champion
Song recommendation of the week: Cold War Kids - Audience
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 11, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
MAYBE this will break the mold , we need to come to play sunday and this year we will not SURRENDER TO KNOW ONE THIS IS BUFFALOOO Godzilla nation
-abayarde
by uPitt_BillsFan on Jun 11, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
it is, and it isn’t bushleague. Yes, he’s a stud. Yes, he’s probably an all time great punter.
But still, he’s a punter. If the best player a team had for an ENTIRE decade is a punter, that says something bad about your team. Like, probably that you didn’t make the playoffs for that decade.
by quantumuprising on Jun 11, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I took it more to mean that Schobel might find it unfair that Moorman was picked over him. It’s just rumblings, and i’m thinking he might not even read this site.
Buffalo Rumblings Premiere League 2009 Champion
Song recommendation of the week: Cold War Kids - Audience
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 11, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybin's turn
The Bills need production from him this year, he needs to play in as many snaps as possible in pre-season and show that he has the ability to play in the NFL. Most of us are not expecting him to be a pro bowler but we do expect to see glimpses of why he was taken #11 in the 09 draft. If he could provide 6-8 sacks and pressure on the QB this year it would be a step in the right direction. If he can’t beat out the current talent on the team and only sees a handful a snaps a game he is in trouble and The name of Eric Flowers will come to mind.
My sleeper in this group is Chris Ellis, he now has the opportunity to show what he can do now with a clean slate and a new coaching staff.
"My relationship with death remains the same as ever. I'm strongly against it."
-- Woody Allen, 2010
If he could provide 6-8 sacks and pressure on the QB this year it would be a step in the right direction.
With Schobel retiring, this production from Maybin is what the Bills need. It’s kind of sad, but Brian’s right when he says that Maybin is now the absolute most important part of our pass rush.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 11, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
not only is that what the bills need, but its probably what we need at a minimum, not at a ‘step in the right direction’
by quantumuprising on Jun 11, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Meant that as in seeing progress from Maybin...
An the step is for getting better in progressive years. The Bills need him to start this year showing his abilities. Hoping that with the new coaching staff they will find a way to utilize his strengths.
"My relationship with death remains the same as ever. I'm strongly against it."
-- Woody Allen, 2010
wasn’t criticizing what you said. 6-8 for him would be a huge step in the right direction. It just still doesn’t bode well for the bills if thats all the sacks your primary pass rusher has.
by quantumuprising on Jun 11, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Antonio Coleman
I think this kid could be a good contributor this season. He will see his fair share of snaps in 3rd and long situations and knows how to get after the qb.
I think kelsay is done with this team
In all honesty I think you will see chris kelsay shipped out for a low draft pick or just outright released, with all the young guys pushing him I think you will see him gone especially with the signing of Torbor, i will say Kelsays inability to get to the QB did have something to do with the Tampa 2 but in 7 years 6 as a starting end to only have 22 sacks is pitiful. Kelsay of all the guys on list is by far the least mobile and agile, Batten will puch Maybin but thats Maybins job for sure I think Torbor might be our starter come week 1 especially with his knowledge of the Dolphins schemes.
Yeah, I can’t imagine anybody at OBD sees Kelsay as a starting OLB in the NFL. If he makes the team, it’s only because Batten and Torbor underperform in camp and there’s nobody decent cut by anyone before the season starts.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Jun 11, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
If theres every been a case to go out and sign Adelius homas, this is it.
And that would allow us to move Batten to LOLB where I think he’d have a serious shot at being our starter by season’s end.
This position is scary bad for us. I mean we have talent in it, but it’s all unproven, with only a couple of players actually showing true potential. I’m really looking foward to seeing what Maybin can do, but I’m not holding my breath either.
Here’s hoping that someone shows up and has a surprising season.
Washington? Check. Pittsburg? Check. Philly? Wont be a pro... errr.... GO BLACKHAWKS!!!
by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 11, 2010 9:56 AM EDT reply actions
Adalius Thomas can’t play 3-4 OLB unless he’s in a different scheme similar to Baltimore’s. Our 3-4 resembles New England’s, and Thomas was horrid in that scheme. Can we please put this idea to rest now? Signing Thomas is a terrible idea.
by Brian Galliford on Jun 11, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok but we deffinatly need someone with actual 3-4 expirience at OLB, so who else would you suggest? Because I’m deffinatly NOT comfortable with the groupe that we have now.
Washington? Check. Pittsburg? Check. Philly? Wont be a pro... errr.... GO BLACKHAWKS!!!
by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 11, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Who?
We are not signing any big names. The best we can hope for is Brian’s favorite San Diego State player to be a diamond in the rough.
"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown
They’ll keep their eyes peeled for talent, but I don’t expect anything to happen soon. Maybe in August or early September once cuts start rolling in.
by Brian Galliford on Jun 11, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not expecting anything until then either, and I’m not expecting any big names (obviously). But someone with actual 3-4 expirience on the outside, even if it was primarily as a backup, would deffinatly be a good thing to have right now.
Washington? Check. Pittsburg? Check. Philly? Wont be a pro... errr.... GO BLACKHAWKS!!!
by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 11, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not so sure you’ll see someone with a lot of NFL experience as the Bills pickup. It wouldn’t shock me if they waited for some cuts and tried to pick up some promising young guys that perhaps were drafted by a 4-3 team or the Bills thought highly of.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 11, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree with Brian
Adalius Thomas—-not a chance! He was horrible with the Pats!
I hear Tom Cousineau wants to make a comeback….
"My relationship with death remains the same as ever. I'm strongly against it."
-- Woody Allen, 2010
Formerly of the Montreal Alouettes?
It’s about time. The Bills had his rights twice, yet he never placed a down for them.
"I've been ionized, but I'm okay now." --Buckaroo Banzai
Imagine if a first overall pick did that now. Decided that he hated the team that drafted him so much that he’d rather go play 3 season in the CFL. What a media circus that would be.
My 2 year old decided to introduce himself to coffee this morning. It's been an entertaining day.
PS A Chiuaua cannot outrun a 2 year old when said 2 year old is wired on coffee.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 12, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
He'd also be the biggest idiot in sports if he did that!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Bogeyman
Bills traded Cousineau to the Browns after his stint in Montreal, one of the picks the Bills received was used to draft Jim Kelly.
When the Bills let Cousineau sign with Montreal, then coach Chuck Knox got a good idea what the Bills front office philosphy was a paying players.
"My relationship with death remains the same as ever. I'm strongly against it."
-- Woody Allen, 2010
Thomas would be a terrible move.
Buffalo Rumblings Premiere League 2009 Champion
Song recommendation of the week: Cold War Kids - Audience
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 11, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
They drafted an undersized end to rush the passer – and he’s sure as heck going to get plenty of chance to do it this year !
If nothing else at least by years end there will be little to no doubt re what we have in Maybin (for better or worse – but I suspect better)
3 AM Monday morning games all 2010 - that's just dandy !
Maybin
Heres your chance. Youre going to be thrown into the biggest, glaring whole on our newly transformed 3-4 alignment. Forget about everything anyone said about you last year. If you come out and play ball thsi year and get after the QB, no one will be screaming bust. This is your shot… you gotta come to play.
Im going to be excited to see if Coleman can transform into a 3-4 OLB. I think hes got a good shot to give us a good rush off the edge.
"Ok, its Gudda hoe, all about my Bills like Buffalo."
If anyone is going to steal reps away from Maybin, it’s going to be Coleman. Coleman sounds like a very polished pass rusher and that’s pretty much your job at ROLB. However, Maybin will likely get the lion’s share of snaps at ROLB.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 11, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree, Coleman will spell Maybin. Antonio is a pure pass rushing OLBer in a 3-4. He’s got a variety of moves and plays the game fast with violence. He’s also got a great story. This kid will be starting and will be a situational pass rusher like a Banta-Cain was early on.
Yeah, starting this year at ROLB is a bit much. Perhaps you meant starting in a few years? Coleman has to make the team before we worry about whether he starts.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 11, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybin will likely get the lion’s share of snaps at ROLB.
As he should, this is his shot. We beat him up last year. Now hes got his chance to be productive… this could be a fun year watching him. Hes got the motor, hes just got to put it all together.
"Ok, its Gudda hoe, all about my Bills like Buffalo."
"I HAVE THE HEART OF THE BUUFALO the strength of the OF THE MOUNTAIN , THE FURY OF THE THUNDER AND MY WILL IS UNBREAKABLE " - abayarde
Mitchell
I have been totally lost in understanding why Veek is not one of the OLB (and a backup ILB at that). I have felt that he was our best (yes, best) LB the past couple of years — and the pass-rush and coverage ability to be a perfect OLB; apparently, he is our fastest LB. He played OLB with the Giants, and sometimes with the Chiefs; and our OLB. I am sure I am missing something, but what I saw on games the past 2 years — Mitchell should be one of our starting OLBs. Frankly (I am sure I will be ridiculed for this one), Poz is not a bad candidate for OLB with his skills, either.
It’s a good thought, but Veek is viewed as a decent option on a blitz, whereas if he lined up against a OT or TE, (many people think) he would be out of position. Different skill set, that of a blitzing OLB in the 4-3, and a primary pass rushing OLB in the 3-4. I’m not saying that I know he can’t play there. I just know this is the logic.
On your comment about Poz, that’s like saying Fred Jackson is not a bad candidate for QB, which isn’t entirely untrue, but is silly for many reasons. But you gotta think outside of the box sometimes (football pun intended).
a.k.a the Uncommon Denominator
I entirely agree with you. Veek should probably be our starting LOLB, but thats more of an indication of how bad our OLB’s are at coverage than anything else.
Veek has been decent for us, but he hasn’t been our best LB. Poz has.
Washington? Check. Pittsburg? Check. Philly? Wont be a pro... errr.... GO BLACKHAWKS!!!
by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 11, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Bills OLB - No Exp. Nec.
Our OLB situation is about as open as it gets. None of the candidates listed has any experience playing the position and most have little- to- no actual NFL experience. Pretty tough to establish any kind of pecking order until the pads go on in TC and pre-season and we see who can best adapt their game to their new position. Until then they’re all the same – “the new guy at the position”.
Exactly.
Chris Brown on today’s Fan Friday segment on BB.com says he expects Maybin to be on the field only for passing downs, which leads to the question of who is going to start at ROLB. From what Chris Brown is saying it could be Batten, who he says moves unusually well in space (something Maybin apparently doesn’t do as well).
Chris Brown said "Maybin I envision playing a big role on passing downs," which is not quite the same thing as only playing on passing downs.
Later on Brown said that Maybin will “definitely be on the field on any passing downs, but this staff may choose to play stouter ends on run downs.”
by Jeff Winters on Jun 11, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It suggests to me that Brown has been talking to the coaching staff and they are wondering if Maybin will have a fairly limited role. It’s very different from saying (as various folks have above) that Maybin will be the starter and Coleman may spell him on passing downs. In a word, it surprised me and it also raises some questions.
Is this position worse than OT?
Has the look of being a very situational player at LOLB only, but only an unusually strong pre-season from Ellis will keep Kelsay off the roster at this point.
I wouldn’t say that’s the only way Kelsay doesn’t make the team. What if he’s beyond horrible this summer and preseason at OLB? They can’t keep him just to keep him for a warm body. Just like they won’t do that at any position. If Stroud shows he is incapable of playing 3-4 DE, why keep him? The team saw that Langston Walker couldn’t cut it at LT, so they dumped him. The same could happen here. It might not be likely because the guys behind him aren’t exactly going to simply push him off the roster, but there’s definitely more than Chris Ellis that can keep Kelsay off the roster.
I wouldn’t say Maybin needs to have a big year. He needs to have a respectable year, one where he shows he can play at this level. He needs to show improvement and prove he’s a long term solution at the position. But he doesn’t need to put 10 sacks on the board. That’d be nice, but probably not likely either. The team is going to struggle mightily rushing the passer this year, so whether Maybin produce 3 or 13 sacks might be somewhat irrelevant. Not totally, obviously, but we have more issues here than just Maybin’s production.
I still think this team will be looking for competent 3-4 OLB’s all summer. Any cuts or potential trades that come along should be all over the Bills’ radar. Whether or not they find anyone is another story, but they should and probably will be looking at anyone available. When teams start cutting veterans later in the summer, I think the Bills will be all over anyone they feel can help immediately. I find it hard to believe they’ll go into the season with Maybin, Kelsay, Battan, Torbor and Coleman/Ellis as their OLB’s.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
But he doesn’t need to put 10 sacks on the board.
Last time a Bill other than Schobel put up 10 was Marcellus Wiley’s 10.5 in 2000. I’m not anticipating it as you appear to not be.
You can't have CHANGE without CHAN.
Tweet
Buffalo Rumblings
by MattRichWarren on Jun 11, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Has beens, never wases and never will be's
Most of these players wouldn’t even make backup OLB on most teams, let alone be starters. This position is in very rough shape.
Maybin
I feel Maybin has alot to prove this yr. Like it or not, a player drafted at his position has gotta show positive results on the field. He maybe “talented” but I’ve not heard much positive comments regarding his performance. I for one am hoping this is his “breakout year”. Otherwise I feel that pick was a bust.
Well sink or swim time Maybin...........
Chan Gailey's #1 Fan!
by norcaliangelsfan on Jun 11, 2010 7:18 PM EDT reply actions
Coleman
Don’t get too excited about his press clippings and anoint him a starter—yes he came out of the SEC with good stats but there is a reason he wasn’t drafted. Let’s hope he is a diamond in the rough like a Jason Peters and can be developed into a contributor.
"My relationship with death remains the same as ever. I'm strongly against it."
-- Woody Allen, 2010
reggie torbor...
It didn’t occur to me that the gents played a 4-3 with Torbor at OLB, that’s pretty interesting,,,,it’ll be fun to watch how he’s doing.this summer….
But in the fall, he is gunna be a dolphin killer, write it down, he is gunna run through walls to squish fish..
GO BILLS!

by 






























