Bills head coach Chan Gailey announced that while the club plans to name a No. 1 QB when it heads to training camp, the job is still open for competition. From what I am hearing, that QB will be Trent Edwards, and when you name a No. 1 before camp opens, it is his job to lose. Brian Brohm and Ryan Fitzpatrick will get reps, but Edwards should be the favorite to win the job.
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surprise surprise
Can’t say this wasn’t terribly unexpected.
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by Brainwave on Jun 21, 2010 2:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Probably not trustworthy
There has been so much speculation on this subject and this looks like more of it. Edwards has as much chance of ending up with the job as the other two, but I strongly doubt Gailey has made up his mind at this point. Bowen has told us lots of things before that were supposedly inside info on what the Bills were thinking and they turned out to be wrong. This is likely more of the same.
I’d like to hear more on your gripe with Bowen, because I haven’t noticed him being more wrong, if you will, than anyone else.
by Brian Galliford on Jun 21, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s not especially less reliable. It’s rather that I’m suspicious of all these guys that trade in NFL rumors for a living. So many of their claims turn out to be wrong. This one sounds unusually doubtful since Gailey would surely keep the information closely held if he has made any decision.
I agree
There’s no reason for Gailey to spill that now. You don’t want these guys walking around until the next mini thinking they’ve already fallen behind – or gotten ahead, that’s just not how you get the most work out of someone.
And if Edwards was clearly ahead, then he should stop playing games and just announce that and let him get his work in. You wouldn’t leak that, you would proudly proclaim it.
This is very unlikely, IMO.
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Edwards would have been my guess, and choice, as well.
How reliable is Matt Bowen? Is that the same guy that used to be a safety?
Apparently it is the same guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Bowen_(American_football)
Well I guess we'll know once and for all whether or not Trent can be the man......
I hope so……….of course at this point I have my hopes pinned to Chan Gailey too…….so yeah.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jun 21, 2010 2:23 PM EDT reply actions
Jeez, you’re on a diatribe today, eh?
by Brian Galliford on Jun 21, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
It simple really......
some people but the hopes and dreams of the team on the QB, or LT, or DE (or rush LB if you will)
I put it on the Head Coach. shrug
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jun 21, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I put it on the Head Coach. shrug
then you should be happier than the last few years becuase we all know DJ wasn’t going to get the job done and i’m sure Gailey has the opportunity to be better. Hiring a career losing NFL coach was the worst thing we coudl have done at the time
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on Jun 21, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Im just gonna hold back on why this comment is wrong IMO.
no point in going into this again.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jun 21, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not right or wrong
It’s just you perceive it as wrong. Let’s see how it plays out.
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
thats why I said IMO......
:-)
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jun 21, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like the sounds of this, actually.
Trent should be the guy to win out. I still think they like Brohm a good deal, but this will be the 3rd offense he’s been part of in less than a year. I’d bet they want to develop him a bit more, not unlike Travis Brown.
To me, Fitzpatrick is quite simply someone who won’t be afraid to come into a game off the bench, in a potentially bad situation.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 21, 2010 2:25 PM EDT reply actions
You mean Levi Brown, right?
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by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 21, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Honest mistake. Hopefully the new 4th man doesn’t suffer the fate of the old 4th man.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 21, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean being thrusted into the starting spot by overwhelming injuries at the QB position? Yeah lets hope that doesn’t happen two years in a row.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 21, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Not terribly surprising. He's the smartest QB of the 3.
And if Gailey somehow managed to help Trent regain his confidence, then he’s also our best QB. I’ve wanted to see what Trent could do with a real offensive coach for a while now. A coach that would use Trent’s strengths and not try to force a system on him. Looks like We might see what that will look like.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 21, 2010 2:26 PM EDT reply actions
I'll believe it when I see it
This just sounds like a lot of speculation to me, maybe I’m wrong. But I have a hard time believing this guy has the inside scoop over everyone else. Doesn’t really matter though. Edwards could never last a whole season before, I have no reason to believe he’ll do it now. Someone else will get a shot.
obvious
in my opinion. seeing as they didnt draft anyone high, why not give the guy that was supposed to be the guy have his last shot. make or break year for TE, and it doesnt impact gailey at all. fitz is not a starter in this league, and if hes not cut, look for brohm to get cut, this will be his second team and 4th year, and if he cant battle for a backup position, then there is no reason to keep him. if te fails, it gives gailey and nix a good reason to go qb early in the draft next year.
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I disagree with your assessment that it doesnt impact Gailey at all.....
Coaches dont get 5+ years anymore to turn around struggling franchises……..usually you get 3 (if that)
So why would someone like Gailey (who knows this is probably his last chance as a HC) waste one of those 3 years? Unless he and Nix truly believe Trent can be their guy. If he’s not….then they will be behind the curve moreso then they already are.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jun 21, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 21, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Coaches dont get 5+ years anymore to turn around struggling franchises
DJ was signed for more than that and actually was into his 4th year. It was his inability to change any of his weakness that was his ultimate failure (any offensive improvements were non-existant and he never addressed that properly)
So why would someone like Gailey (who knows this is probably his last chance as a HC) waste one of those 3 years?
because, unlike you, he beleives what he is doing is the correct thing and his/Nix philosophy will work and after the 3 years you will see the fruits of their labor…..
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on Jun 21, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
He was signed for more than that......
DJ was signed for more than that and actually was into his 4th year. It was his inability to change any of his weakness that was his ultimate failure (any offensive improvements were non-existant and he never addressed that properly)
he wasnt given more than that………and plus it was obvious to the majority of us that Jauron should have been fired after year 3.
Just because Ralph and Co were dumb enough to bring him on for a 4th (which he didnt even finish btw) doesnt mean my point was any less correct.
because, unlike you, he beleives what he is doing is the correct thing and his/Nix philosophy will work and after the 3 years you will see the fruits of their labor…..
And thats why I said…….“unless they think he’s their guy” but if that proves wrong….then they lost a whole year.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jun 21, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Just because Ralph and Co were dumb enough to bring him on for a 4th (which he didnt even finish btw) doesnt mean my point was any less correct.
he was given a 3 year extension. 6 year total – was fired mid-way into fourth year……
And thats why I said……."unless they think he’s their guy" but if that proves wrong….then they lost a whole year.
well you did ask a question……
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on Jun 21, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree
he wasnt given more than that………and plus it was obvious to the majority of us that Jauron should have been fired after year 3.
Year 2
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Well I think it would have been and is unfair to fire a coach after two years.....unless they totally bomb, which Jauron hadnt really
now after the 3rd year if there isnt significant improvement then yeah…..
Of course if you really want to get into it…….he should have never been hired to begin with.
But since that was the case…….3 years is more than enough to time to know if a guy will have it figured out or not.
And Chan Gailey gets the same 3 year window as well……….(and before you all get into with me about why wont I give him time…….its not that Im not giving him time, its just that I dont think he will do it given any amount of time – but Its not like Im writting off the team or anything)
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jun 21, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would I want to get into it?
Of course if you really want to get into it…….he should have never been hired to begin with.
I agree with that 150%. Levy should have never been hired either.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
The "if you want to get into it"
merely meant my opinion on it.
and from the looks of it…….we agree.
Which we do alot more often then you probably think.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jun 21, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I know we do
I just don’t agree with your unflinching, non-stop onslaught against all things Chan Gailey.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Just like you and I both thought Jauron should have never been hired......
Chan Gailey should have never been hired.
Im just letting my position be known………..and since its a long offseason……I cant let people forget it either :-)
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jun 22, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
because
usually a HC drafts his future QB and therefore their futures are inter-twined. since no one was drafted, and its seen as a very weak position, gailey wont be held responsible for the failure of TE. he can waste a year because nix wanted to build up the defense. if we see good production out of freddy j, spiller and lynch, gaileys job will be secure for the full three years. therefore he will have two full years to draft and build his qb, and if a rookie qb comes in and preforms like ryan (or some similar qb), then gailey wont be losing anything. it may be risky to wait to draft a qb, but thats the approach that gailey and nix used for whatever reason.
it might turn out to be a good reason, look at how many FO’s get fired because of drafting the wrong qb early on. i whole-heartily think that gailey’s success does not depend on how well TE will do this year…and i dont understand any argument against it. TE has had his chance, and if anything this is a third chance to prove himself, and therefore i highly doubt he will be too connected if he happens to fail again….
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by silverstreak3k on Jun 21, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
right but it doesnt matter if TE does well or not......
all that matters is you win games.
Get behind one year and that hurts you………..not every Rookie QB that comes in will be as successful as Matt Ryan, Flacco, Sanchez etc etc etc……….thats not something you can count on.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jun 21, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
he wont be behind though
he may be behind in QB development, but not behind in building a team. if the players drafted in 2010 preform and we see an improved defense, this year is not wasted, and allows them to focus on the offense. which is when i think a qb will be drafted.
they dont need the qb to be super effective, a good defense and great rushing attack can hide a lot of flaws (look at sanchez, he wasnt all that great last year, it was the defense and the rushing attack that took them to the afc champ game). they will need a qb that shows promise and progresses throughout the year, enough to have the starting gig by year two. if he continues to show progression, then gailey has nothing to worry about. i really doubt he loses anything if TE fails miserably, because his focus if on the rushing attack and the defense. so as long as there is some kind of improvement this year on those fronts, i dont think it will matter what TE does. and if TE does blossom, then he looks like a genius and has even more of a leg up. naming TE the starter is win win for him. naming brohm the starter is like drafting a qb and therefore hurt his chances. of course this is all my opinion, but good ones i think, and probably what NIX and wilson are looking for.
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by silverstreak3k on Jun 21, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Kinda disagree with that though. Most systems don’t allow coaches 4-5 years to develop their team. But Nix’s system has in the past given coaches 5 seasons to see what they could do. Nix joined the chargers in 2000, and Mike Riley was fired in 2001, after 3 years with the Chargers. But to be fair, the Chargers were going for a massive overhale at the end of 2001 (kind of like us). Marty Schottenheimer was hired in 2002 and stayed until the end of the 2006 season. Thats 5 seasons to build a winner right there. And he was fired only because he couldn’t get to the big game while the head office though that they should have won an SB by then. I think that Gailey will get his 5 seasons unless we remain a bottom feader.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 21, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Nix wasnt making the call on that team though...........
He wasnt the GM
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jun 21, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
He was assistant GM, and by what everyone that has been in SD over the last decade said, he had A LOT of pull. Thats why he left, the Chargers couldn’t handle having two leaders in the front office anymore.
Now I’m not saying that he’s directly responsible for keeping Shotty there 5 years, but I’m thinking he had something to do with them keeping him there that long.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 22, 2010 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions
What happened to the "pecking order heading into training camp."?
Did Chan retrack that statement?
OR change it to “puking order heading into training camp.”?
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jun 21, 2010 7:50 PM EDT reply actions
This Bowen piece uses that pecking order statement…
by Brian Galliford on Jun 21, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
This wouldn't surprise me in the least.
Actually, I am expecting this whether this guy is just blowing smoke or not. Trent has always fared well in OTA’s and camp. It is the live ammunition that gets him dumb founded. It has been stated here numerous times and I agree that his skill level is adequate enough in our teams situation to get the first bragging rights.
Fitzy on the other hand has that WWF mentality. He should be the guy, but not until he gets slapped around a few times. Maybe it’s a level of arrogance that Fitzy has. He knows what he brings, he knows what he can do, I am hoping he is not complacent with that and this is Gailey’s way of slapping him around a bit.
I have advertised that I am in Fitzpatrick’s camp. I am not changing. I have also said that he may not be the best answer but maybe the best question. I would rather see Trent coming in for an injured Ryan than a Ryan coming in again for an injured or confused Trent.
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I guess this begs the question:
Brian, at this point, do you believe that Fitz is still (very slightly) leading the pack?
Or has Trent done something since you made that statement to “retake” the lead?
Or, do you just not agree with Matt Bowen? : )
I think that’s all the options available, right?
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I think Fitzpatrick is inherently the leader, but as I said when I originally made that statement, that opinion is meaningless.
I think Bowen is right – Edwards will get the first crack at this thing. That could be wrong, but my gut tells me it isn’t.
by Brian Galliford on Jun 22, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
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