Buffalo Bills 2000s Worst-Decade Team - WR 2 Selection
About a month ago MattRichWarrenpresented us with his Buffalo Bills 2000s All-Decade Team series. And for about a month we voted on a series of poles to determine who was worthy of being on that team. But more often than not we also ended up complaining over the limited sometimes horrible talent that we had to pick from for any given position. So it was about at the TE position that I thought "hey why don't we also vote on the worst players that played for this team over the last decade?" And so here we are.
Now just like MattRichWarren'sseries I have a few criteria for players to be eligible for this team. They had to have played in at least a full season's worth of games in this decade to be eligible. Starting is not requirement, but you do have to have played significant amounts of snaps in those games. That means that, for example, the Bills 3rd receiver might make the list, but a 4th or 5th stringer wont be considered. That means that we wont end up voting for 7th rounders that ended up playing 2 snaps. These are going to be real players that played real roles on this team over the last ten years. And just because a player ended up on the All-Decade team does not mean that you can't also be on the worst-decade team.
The wide receiver position is a hard one to play in the NFL. It's generally one where you either make it or you don't, there are no true grey areas at this position. Here in Buffalo we have seen good talent at this position over the last decade, having seen players like Pierless Price, Eric Moulds, Lee Evans and Terrell Owens. But we have also shown the terrible inability to back them up withany true depth. After all the best receiver that we have had after the previously named four WR's is Josh Reed. When your decade's 5th best WR has never caught for more than 600 yards in a season, you know your in trouble.
I'm handling this position a little differently than I have the previous 3 instalment. As I've said before WR is a position where you either make it or you don't, and the Bills have seen A LOT of "don'ts" in the last decade. So instead of needing at least a season's worth of played games, which would have put a lot of special teamers that didn't really factor into the receiving game on the list, I'm putting the bar at a minimum of 20 receptions in a Bills uniform. So while giving respect to the 4 truly good receivers (Price, Moulds, Evans and Owens) that have played for the Bills over the last decade, this list will be composed of the 5 remaining WR's that have had at least 20 receptions for the Bills.
And I'm also conceding "victory" to Roscoe Parrish for the first wide receiver spot on this team. He's leading by a wide enough margin that I doubt any other receiver will catch up. So heres the remaining 4 receivers to choose from. Have at it folks!
Jeremy McDaniel
McDaniel played in three seasons for the Bills, two of them in this decade, mostly as a slot option or 4th receiver. He joined the Bills in 1999 as an undrafted free agent and stayed until the end of the 2001 season. In that time he played in 23 games for the Bills, starting in 6 of them (all in 2000). During those games he caught 54 passes for 826 yards and 2 TDs. He had a good year in 2000, hauling in 43 passes for 697 yards and both of his career TD's. His career year was followed by a lack luster campaign in 2001, after which he was released from the Bills and never seen from again in the NFL.
Josh Reed
Drafted in the second round (36th overall) of the 2002 NFL draft, Reed played 8 seasons for the Bills. Early in his career he was counted on as a slot option for the Bills, used in tandem with Price and Moulds. He was later used as a starter opposite Lee Evans, a position that many have argued he should have never been in. Reed played in 115 games for the Bills, with 52 starts. He amassed 311 receptions for 3757 yards, but only 10 TD's. While putting up decent numbers, and being clearly the best receiver on this list, Reed never did live up to his second round billing and never did seem to find the endzone as much as we would have liked. The Bills let Reed walk away after the end of the last season, and he has recently signed with the San Diego Chargers.
Bobby Shaw
Shaw's stint with the Bills was brief, having only played a little bit more than a season for the Bills. He was signed as a free agent in 2003 after being released from the Jacksonville Jaguars in 2002. He played 20 games for the Bills, starting in 7 of them. He had 61 receptions for 791 yards and 4 TD's. He had an impressive year in 2003, receiving 56 passes for 732 yards and all 4 of his TD's as a Bill, but was released 4 games into the 2004 campaign after proving to be ineffective in the new head coach's offense.
Sam Aiken
Ok so I lied, you only need 19 receptions as a Bills to make it onto this list. Aiken was drafted by the Bills in the 4th round of the 2003 draft. He spent 5 seasons in a Bills uniform, mostly playing on special teams. He played in 64 games as a Bill, starting in 2 of them in 2005. He had, you guessed it, 19 receptions, for 250 yards and no TD's in his 5 seasons with us. He was released at the end of the 2007 campaign and signed with the rival Patriots, where he has had his most successful season in 2009, catching 20 passes for 326 yards and 2 TD's.
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Seriously difficult decision.
It’s not as if any one of these guys was supposed to be a primary target, and none really took a prominent role in their offense. Again, i’m stumped. Why isn’t Peerless Price on this list? He had 1 season, then left, then came back and was never a factor.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 26, 2010 4:16 PM EDT reply actions
Price had 1 good season.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 26, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually considered putting Price on this list because of his one horrible season with us, but then went at looked at his stat lines. In this decade he was with us from 2000 to 2002, and for 2006 and 2007. While his last 2 years sucked, his first 3 were actually very good and beat everyone on this list hands down.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PricPe00.htm
I would also argue that since Reed was taken in the second round after winning the College’s Best WR award, he was intended to be a primary target. The Bills also let Price walk after a career year because they thought that Reed could take over that number 2 spot. I would also argue the same thing for Parrish, although he’s not in this debate since he “won” the first one.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 26, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, they didn't exactly let Price walk...
They got a 1st round pick for him which, I think, turned into Willis McGahee. I agree, though, with the point of your post, that Price was good enough to not be a contender for the 1st or 2nd worst WRs of the decade.
by Gino Parilli on Jun 26, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, this position is a tough one. There just hasn’t been anyone really of much significance. They may have stunk, the lot of ‘em, but they weren’t exposed to a hell of a lot of game time.
I’m abstaining from this vote, too. It doesn’t seem fair to put Reed on this list.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 26, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I included Reed relunctantly. Needed a few recognisable underachivers for this one and Reed fit the bill (no pun intended). And when you look at his stats, with what was asked of him, what was expected of him and what actually happened, he earned his spot on the poll.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 26, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought that we traded up for McGahee. Can someone please confirm what happened? It would be nice to know.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 26, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I seem to recall that the first gained from Price was used on McGetmeoutofBuffalohee.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 26, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought that they traded up (maybe while using the Price pick in the trade) to get McSoWhinyHeCan’tGetLaidInBuffalohee.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 26, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
no they used the 23rd pick that we got from atlanta on mcgee we didnt have a first that year cause we traded it to new england for bledsoe
my big brother trent edwards
me and trent play catch all the time but for some reason he cant toss it farther than 10 yards so i got really good at slant routes and screens
and on another note i thought that was a waste of a pick we could of got him in the 2nd or even 3rd i wanted nnamdi asomugha
we had henry and we draft another rb who is going to sit out the year
that draft was just horrible as we draft mr k himself in the 2nd
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me and trent play catch all the time but for some reason he cant toss it farther than 10 yards so i got really good at slant routes and screens
Reed is by far the best WR on the list. So how is he leading the worst voting?
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Because WR doesn't fit this decade worst team thing
None of these guys feel right being on the team. Whereas guys like losman and Johnson actually were given the no. 1 job at their positions, these are a bunch of guys mostly spent time at no 3 or so on the depth chart. Reed was no 2 for a while, maybe the higher expectations make him more qualified to fail.
by Hopefulcynic on Jun 27, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
In that respect, I think the right man “won” the first spot at WR. I don’t think that Reed should get this spot, but I’m not the only one voting either.
Point is, sometimes Bills fans are just bitter at a player for not living up to expectations.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 27, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
What expectations were there for Reed? I think he was quite simply not used properly.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 27, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, he was never utilised as the slot receiver that he should be. And he never had a real QB to throw to him either. I honestly expect him to have a career year with Rivers throwing to him in the slot next year.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 27, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
thats my point on parrish there afghan
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me and trent play catch all the time but for some reason he cant toss it farther than 10 yards so i got really good at slant routes and screens
I agree on Reed, I disagree on Parrish. Parrish was used in the slot, on screens and on passes designed to get him out in the open and he failed at all of them. Basicly he totaly failed at transfering his return ability to the passing game.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 27, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
ummmmmmmmm parrish has a 11 yard a catch avg ?? how is that not good
and he didnt drop more passes than reed soooooo
he got put in the juaron dog house plain and simple
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me and trent play catch all the time but for some reason he cant toss it farther than 10 yards so i got really good at slant routes and screens
and he didnt drop more passes than reed soooooo
Prove it
Parrish dropped a solid number of passes, especially considering his number of looks. Maybe it wasn’t as many as Reed over the years, but as a percentage of looks, I’d bet it’s significantly higher. Do you have proof he didn’t drop more than Reed, either total or as a percentage?
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Three of the top 70 WRs in total yardage last year averaged under 11 yards per catch. 11 yards a pop is possesion receivers who rarely make plays down the field average or what guys like Brandon Marshall who have a crappy QB and stupid HC and force the ball at him average. Trent Edwards averages 11 yards per completion and he’s not exactly mister big play.
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me and trent play catch all the time but for some reason he cant toss it farther than 10 yards so i got really good at slant routes and screens
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by CanadianBillsFan on Jun 28, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Reed.
But I thought he should have been the #1.
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here are some stats
reeds career completed reception is 58.5%
parrishs completed reception is 58.8%
these stats do not include ints off of targets those have been factored out with the success rate
josh reed has had 496 passes thrown his way and has caught 290 of them so with 206 misses divided success rate 51.7 gets you passes that have touched his hands and dropped josh reed avg 3.984 drops a year x 8 years equals 31.8 drops
parrish 170 targets -100 catches = 70 targets thrown his way divide out the success rate 45.1 you get 1.552 × 5 years equals 7.76 drops
now keep in mind im going off of avg over career on this so dont mind the .8 or .76
on a side note parrish was also a bigger deep threat with 18% of his passes deep ball attempts compared to reeds 15%
my big brother trent edwards
me and trent play catch all the time but for some reason he cant toss it farther than 10 yards so i got really good at slant routes and screens
just for fun i calculated T.O he avg 13.241 drops a year and over his 10 year career thats 132.41 lol
my big brother trent edwards
me and trent play catch all the time but for some reason he cant toss it farther than 10 yards so i got really good at slant routes and screens

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