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Bills Need To Find Help In The Pivot

The center position has long been a concern for the Buffalo Bills and its fans. Playing in an AFC East division that features three of the league's toughest 3-4 defenses, which in turn feature some excellent, massive nose tackles, quality interior line play is of the utmost importance for this team.

Buffalo didn't get good center play in 2008, when the combination of Melvin Fowler and Duke Preston was, at best, forgettable. Geoff Hangartner was signed as an unrestricted free agent from Carolina to rectify the situation, and while the team did see much better run blocking with Hangartner manning the pivot, the overall gains were not especially significant.

Perhaps the best quality emerging from Hangartner's first season in Buffalo was the fact that he started 16 games. Even though he, too, dealt with injuries along with virtually every other lineman on the roster (in his case, it was a bad back), Hangartner was the only lineman on the roster to take every snap at one position in every game. Still, even with all the positive energy surrounding Buffalo's revamped strength and conditioning program, injuries are still a concern - and if Hangartner goes down, Buffalo doesn't have a lot of places to turn.

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The team, under the direction of new head coach Chan Gailey, is likely to keep nine offensive linemen on the 53-man roster come early September, with seven of those likely to be active on game days. Buffalo is a team that values versatility in its offensive linemen, but at the moment, they're fielding talent that is more tackle/guard than guard/center. Depth along the interior offensive line, without considering those converted players, is minimal.

One could argue that aside from Hangartner and starting guards Eric Wood and Andy Levitre, the team only employs two more pure interior offensive linemen - Christian Gaddis and Sean Allen. Players like Kirk Chambers, Andre Ramsey, Jason Watkins, Kyle Calloway and Cordaro Howard are all getting guard reps during spring OTAs, but they were all tackles in college, and might be better fits on the edge. None of those players are center candidates, either.

Gaddis and Allen represent the only true backup center candidates on the roster - that aren't tied up with other positions, at any rate. They're also low men on the totem pole, with players like Chambers and Calloway having a better chance at securing reserve guard spots. I went on record back June 8 predicting that neither Gaddis nor Allen would make the final roster, which obviously leaves some massive question marks at reserve center.

Most of us want to believe that Wood, last year's No. 28 overall pick and a three-time All-Big East performer as a center at Louisville, is the team's long-term answer at center. How fair is it for the team to expect Wood, the starting right guard, to be the team's primary center, as well, considering that he's not likely to get a ton of playing time during the pre-season to preserve his just-recovered health? Meanwhile, Levitre's experience as a center is very minimal, as he was a left tackle at Oregon State and has only snapped the ball a few times during practices.

A lot is riding on Hangartner in 2010, not only to continue his durable ways, but to improve upon a rather pedestrian 2009 season as a pass blocker. Buffalo has much larger question marks at tackle, where they're more likely to stockpile on depth, particularly given in the investment made in reserve tackle Ed Wang. There's a very good chance that, should Hangartner go down, Wood becomes the only viable option to slide into the pivot - and depending on when that happens, that's pretty risky.

Long story short: we worry about the tackles quite a lot, but center depth is a huge concern as well, and the Bills might not have a lot of options there once the season starts. Don't be surprised if this is a position that the team targets when scouring the waiver wire once training camp cuts start rolling in in late August.

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The Hang Man...

Hang deserves the benefit of the doubt after anchoring a line last year that was crippled with injuries. How many right guards did he play with last year not to mention the tackle of the week club. It is hard to make line calls and instinctively get into blocks while playing with new lineman what seemed like every week. The split second extra in a decision could be the difference in how succesful a play is.

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by Goose22 on Jun 27, 2010 9:17 AM EDT reply actions  

I am not sure that is the criticism of Hang. IMO, it was his ability to hold up at the point of attack

Sure, he didn’t get picked up by the NT and used as cushion to land on the QB, but he didn’t seem to have the strength necessary to hold up. Who knows….maybe he was trying to help out the rookies so much that he couldn’t focus on his man and will be better this year.

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by Joe P. on Jun 27, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s exactly right. He surely was better than our previous Centers, who were frequently and literally used as cushions for landing on the QB (I remember watching that happen with Trey Teague over and over), but not by all that much. It is a fact that reserve interior o-lineman is one of the most important positions on the team, since he is there to replace three different players if they get injured and as a result the odds that he will see extensive playing time are very high. The Bills don’t really have anyone to fill that slot — which is the excellent point that Brian makes in his piece. It’s something they should definitely address in the draft or FA next year.

by Macktruck on Jun 27, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

thats a good point Joe

and I tend to agree with you. I just wonder how much his struggles are related to the fact that most good centers wouldn’t be able to hold up at the point of attack against Kris Jenkins, Vince Wilfork and Jason Ferguson consistently six times a year?

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by poz on Jun 27, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

with a hurt back....

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by Cinga on Jun 27, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goose....

Hang deserves credit as you stated but it sure was frustrating watching his shotgun snaps go everywhere except into the QB’s hands. That cost whoever was the healthy QB precious time in reading the defense. It was something he never seemed to get the “hang” of.

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by Byrdeputt on Jun 27, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

"His shotgun snaps go everywhere"

He did have his problems with snaps, I wonder if Ron has a state on how many wild snaps he had last year.

If and when Wood is back at 100% the Bills have the makings of a very strong interior line that they haven’t had since Wolford, Hull and Ritcher were starters. I’m not saying Hang is as good as Hull (the best center in Bills history) but if he, Levitre and Wood play together they can become just as cohesive.

Kurupt is right the Bills will be trolling the waiver wire looking for up grades along the O-line…

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by Goose22 on Jun 27, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have to think that should Hangartner go down Wood would slide over so a guy like Kirk Chambers would be next up instead of Gaddis.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 27, 2010 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

I think if Hang goes down, Buddy’s next move should be to call Kevin Mawae. I know he’s old, but he’s better than any other possible option, unless they really think Wood is the long-term answer at center.

by Dr. Brackish Okun on Jun 27, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um, why not go after Mawae now?

by Pistol on Jun 27, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because I’m fairly certain Mawae wants to start. Or, if he’s gonna go into a competition for a job, my guess is that it’d be for a contender.

by Dr. Brackish Okun on Jun 27, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wood IS a former center

and was taking snaps there when he couldn’t “participate” fully… and so in a way… it isn’t a huge stretch to believe he would slide over, giving Gaddis or Chambers or IMO preferably for Calloway to slide into the guard spot (who is just as good/bad as chambers with upside that we know Chamber is lacking, if only due to age which is being nice)

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by Ren Diggity on Jun 27, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would love

to see Calloway groomed as Cornell Green’s eventual replacement.I think the guy has the mean streak and physicality you want in a RT and we need one.

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by poz on Jun 27, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i wouldn't argue with it

however if Bell really is our LT and Wang is back, i would like to see Wang on the outside over Calloway. I think he is the better of the two, and just as physical.

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I have no issue with this in the long term, should the rookies and Bell prove to be even 2/3 as effective as Levitre and Wood. I hope that they can finish in the same way as last years’ rookie guards. And can you imagine Levitre and Wood side by side? Throw Michaels on the left side to help out, and we have just as much ability to pass block as run block IMO. Even if Bell is not our LT of the future.

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by Ren Diggity on Jun 28, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoops......Meredith

Plug in as depth for either T or G and let Chambers go.

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by Ren Diggity on Jun 28, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also think we'll be trolling the waiver wire and August scrap heap

That’s better than keeping Christian Gaddis or Sean Allen on that team anyhow.

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by Kurupt on Jun 27, 2010 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

It's a shame

Too bad we weren’t able to sign Wade Smith when we brought him in. Anyone other names out there or expected not to make rosters that might be about equal in value to Smith?

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by TexasBillsFanatic on Jun 27, 2010 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

If I remember right....

Fowler is available….

JK….

But folks, while depth is important for obvious reasons, don’t ya think getting a starting lineup might be just a tad more important right now???
 And as of right now anyway, in the event of injury to Hang, the last thing I forsee the Bills doing is sliding Woods over, unless Chambers/Calloway surprise us, and actually earn a starting spot instead of getting thrown in there by default…
Cohesiveness right now, at as many positions as possible on the line is more important than giving Woods reps at Center… If Hang goes down, we would have 2 new linemen instead of one, literally affecting line communication on the entire right side… Gaddis, or a waiver claim will be it, whether we like it or not…

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by Cinga on Jun 27, 2010 12:19 PM EDT reply actions  

But folks, while depth is important for obvious reasons, don’t ya think getting a starting lineup might be just a tad more important right now???

They are equally as important.

Cohesiveness right now, at as many positions as possible on the line is more important than giving Woods reps at Center… If Hang goes down, we would have 2 new linemen instead of one, literally affecting line communication on the entire right side… Gaddis, or a waiver claim will be it, whether we like it or not…

So in favor of talent we’re going to go with cohesiveness? What is Gaddis getting blown into the backfield gonna do to cohesiveness?

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 27, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

i must disagree

the starters are by far more imnportant. Our focus on backups only exists because are starters are so weak we hope somebody steps up.

by wab2 on Jun 27, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also disagree MRW

getting five starters to play a season together is far more critical than assembling depth. Depth is crucial no doubt. But I can’t call it equal. We need linemen that have played together.

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by poz on Jun 27, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hold on a sec, poz. You’re trying to tell me with a straight face that is Geoff Hangartner went down you’d be more comfortable starting Christian Gaddis against Vince Wilfork because of cohesiveness? So he’s five yards in the backfield but the right and left side are comfortable because Wood is playing next to Green and Levitre and whoever wins the LT job are fine and dandy?

Plus I’m not saying that the Bills should work on depth in place of adding starters but how many of those guys are available now?

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 27, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm telling you with a dead straight face

that it is infinitely more important for us to find a starting LT, starting RT, starting RG, starting C and starting LG who are all of actual starter quality than it is for us to find depth, yes. MRW, we’ve had a revolving door at LT, a revolving door at RT, and a revolving door at C. Levitre and Wood were rookies last year and have only one year under their belt. I think Trent Edwards’ regression more than anything demonstrates how vital it is to have five consistent starters. Did injury hurt us? Yes it did but no amount of depth could have covered the number of injuries on the line. If you have five good starters you can get by with one or two quality depth linemen. If you ask me, Cornell Green and Kirk Chambers would be fine as depth because they can spot start for a few games and you can shuffle around your starters to fit them in temporarily. Until a QB can trust the man guarding his blind side, until the guards can relay center calls in a heartbeat to the tackles, until we have five men communicating and understanding what the guys next to them will be doing on any play and their tendencies we will continue to get our QBs crushed and will not be able to properly utilize CJ Spiller. Depth is nice but it is not in any way close to as important as getting a solid starting line.

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by poz on Jun 27, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

Having a solid starting line is far from what Buffalo has. Wood & Levitre is a good start, but there’s 3 more positions that are lacking. We’ll have a “starting” line but its weak, hence depth for us is important. We’re still “searching” for our starters. Injuries last year proved the need for both depth and quality, were sorely lacking in both catergories. So we acquire whom we can and hope they become starters and at same time we fill our need for depth. In a perfect world we’d have our starters already, but we don’t. We’re SOL (searching for lineman)!

by buffalobacker on Jun 27, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

My hope is that if our young guys like Meredith, Bell and Wang don’t become viable NFL starters they would then naturally become our depth. Thus, I’d think we already have potential depth on the line – considering how all three of our LTs (Bell/Wang/Meredith) are the athletic type as opposed to big, physical mauler’s its likely the best case scenario is that only one of them becomes a starter as they dont seem built for RT duties. Its also probable that none of them become starters. In that scenario we either sign, trade or draft our starters and they slide in as backups with serious under fire seasoning.

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by poz on Jun 27, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

that it is infinitely more important for us to find a starting LT, starting RT, starting RG, starting C and starting LG who are all of actual starter quality than it is for us to find depth, yes.

Duh. We’re talking about moving Wood to center in the event of a Hangartner injury. I never said it’s more important to have depth than starters. Answer my question:

If Geoff Hangartner went down you’d be more comfortable starting Christian Gaddis against Vince Wilfork because of cohesiveness?

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 27, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duh. We’re talking about moving Wood to center in the event of a Hangartner injury

Ah, I wasn’t clear on that. I was going on your comment that they are equally important and thought you were making a broader statement on the importance of depth.

If Geoff Hangartner went down you’d be more comfortable starting Christian Gaddis against Vince Wilfork because of cohesiveness?

It depends on the Bills plans for Eric Wood. If the long-term plan is to have Eric Wood be a guard in this league then, yes, I would prefer to start Christian Gaddis. I hated moving a young Brad Butler from guard to tackle. Young players need to learn their craft. Moving them around only delays development and at this point, our lack of talent on the o-line makes Wood and Levitre’s rapid development critical. If the long-term plan is to eventually have Wood move to center, than no, don’t start Gaddis move Wood in and get him some reps calling the line and anchoring the middle.

I think its in Wood’s best interest if he is to keep being a guard to keep him there with as many reps as possible, he already has missed significant developmental time on the field and at practice and workouts because of his leg break.

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by poz on Jun 27, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that moving them around delays developement

but in a way we did that already, as Wood was a center and Levitre was a LT. So moving Wood may actually be putting him back in his comfort zone. It helps that as a rookie he didn’t have to make line calls, so he could focus on technique. Hang is not our center of the future, and Wood could end up being the guy down the line.

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by Ren Diggity on Jun 28, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

What they said...

The draft dawns a new year for Buffalo Bills fans, so let optimism reign supreme!!! After all, we are now, UNDEFEATED!!!!

by Cinga on Jun 27, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bills need Health, not Help

If the starters can stay on the field, this unit will do fine. Chan will focus on running the ball, and having 3 different horses will help. To me the critical question is if Cornell Green can do a good enough job to open up holes to the right. If that happens, less pressure on the developing LTs to block on 2nd and 3rd and long.

by BillinNC on Jun 27, 2010 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

If the starters can stay on the field, this unit will do fine.

This thread is now closed….

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by Cinga on Jun 27, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Allen

I really have no idea how good Allen is…but I think the roster situation could give him a chance to make the 53 or at least the practice squad. I think we’ll see a fair bit of him in the pre-season. Although if he makes the roster…it makes you wonder who the other three are, especially considering I don’t think they’d want to cut Chambers, just from an experience perspective.

by P_Deuce on Jun 28, 2010 1:47 AM EDT reply actions  

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