Buffalo Bills Cliche Countdown: Run And Stop The Run
by MattRichWarren on Jun 29, 2010 3:00 PM EDT
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PrintTo win in the NFL, you must run and stop the run. It's a long-standing cliche in football analysis. The Buffalo Bills have also keyed on this idea during the 2010 off-season, and will need to improve in both rushing offense and defense if they want to increase their win total from a year ago.
In 2009, half of the teams in the top ten in rushing made the playoffs. Indianapolis dead last running the football, rushing for under 1,300 yards, but made it to the Super Bowl on the arm of Peyton Manning. On the other side of the ball, seven of the top ten rushing defenses made the playoffs. New Orleans was No. 20 in rushing yards allowed, but with their high-powered offense, many teams had to abandon the run early, which actually places them higher than they might otherwise deserve. The Jets, Bengals, and Ravens were the only teams on both top ten lists, and all made the playoffs. If you are good at both, you have a great shot of being an above-average team, but that doesn't mean that doing one or the other poorly will prevent you from winning.
Buffalo saw their two-headed rushing attack of Marshawn Lynch and Fred Jackson finish No. 16 in the league in rushing, amassing 1,867 yards. With a suspect offensive line that started the highest number of different starting combinations in the league, and began the season as the greenest offensive line in NFL history, that's a remarkable accomplishment. But it's also not good enough if the Bills are going to be a good team in 2010. The offensive line needs to improve. To improve the line, the Bills are counting on young veterans Andy Levitre, Eric Wood, Demetrius Bell and Jamon Meredith to develop from inexperienced to veteran quickly. The team added free agent Cornell Green as a stop-gap when Brad Butler unexpectedly retired. Buffalo also drafted Ed Wang in the fifth round, and Kyle Calloway in the seventh round, of April's draft.
I haven't even mentioned first-round pick C.J. Spiller yet. The Bills took the shifty running back in hopes of hitting a home run. Spiller adds that ability every time he touches the ball. His talent at eluding and out-running defenders is something the Bills' stable of running backs lacked. Spiller's addition gives the team three solid running backs for whoever wins the quarterback battle to hand off to.
Chan Gailey's teams have utilized the run often when he has called the plays. In 2008 with the Chiefs, Gailey's running backs rushed for 1,810 yards, led by Larry Johnson, and finished No. 16 in the league while playing from behind in most games. As Dallas' head coach in 1998 and 1999, the Cowboys finished both years with over 2,000 yards rushing and in the top six in the league. Going further back to his time in Pittsburgh as Bill Cowher's coordinator, the Steelers were second and first in 1996 and 1997 in rushing, respectively. Gailey is obviously committed to the run as a play caller, and hopefully will have games close enough where he can continue to utilize the running game.
The Bills weren't as good last year defending the run, giving up over 2,500 yards on the ground to rank No. 29 in the league. In an effort to change that statistic, Gailey and defensive coordinator George Edwards have switched to a 3-4 defense. With the help of GM Buddy Nix, the Bills have undergone a fairly significant overhaul in the front seven, bringing in LB Andra Davis, DE Dwan Edwards, and LB Reggie Torbor. In the draft, the team added second-round pick NT Torrell Troup and third-round DE Alex Carrington, as well as late round linebackers Arthur Moats and Danny Batten. Beefing up the front seven was obviously a priority for the new regime.
While this cliche may be overblown in predicting success, the Bills spent six of their nine draft picks on running and stopping the run, as well as adding all their free agents in these areas. Chan Gailey has shown he likes to run the ball when given the opportunity, as well. It appears as though the Bills are focusing on successfully running and stopping the run in 2010.
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we have quite a collection of mat article today
with that said, i think the entire draft and FA process was built on stopping the run.
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by Brian Galliford on Jun 29, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
i wouldnt call it a day off you did edit some of his work :)
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This is the heart of what Chan Gailey wants to do in 2010
Matt’s article is right on the money. This is where Gailey and Nix are putting their chips FOR THIS YEAR. They are trying to get these two things right, with the thought that they will turn their attention to the passing game in 2011 — meanwhile evaluating what they are going to need in the way of additional help at QB, LT and pass-rushing OLB. It seems like a very smart strategy in my judgment.
what a great title
my best response to this title is this:
Cliches are cliche for a reason.
Any team capable of running and stopping the run, PARTICULARLY in cold weather, is going to be a tough team to beat. Look at Baltimore, and IMO Atlanta, whose 4-3 defense is underrated at stopping the run. In every way that we failed in our 4-3 defense last year, Atlanta found a way to be in or near the top 10 teams against the rush.
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precisely
when all three teams that finished in both the top 10 in rush O and rush D your cliche stops being tired real quick.
What I’m worried about is how good Buffalo’s Pass D really is. Folks could run on the Bills so easily last year that I think the numbers are somewhat skewed.
Cliches
Since we’re talking about cliches, the one that goes hand in hand with Matt’s article here is “play to your strengths”. Passing the ball certainly won’t be the strength of this Offense. Not that running the ball is guaranteed to be, but it surely uses our best players on offense (the RB’s) and gives the OL a simpler job: fire out, hit your man, and create a crease for the runners. Let’s hope they can do it…
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by Kurupt on Jun 29, 2010 3:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Passing the ball certainly won’t be the strength of this Offense.
Not in the beginning no. however, as you have seen with other young QBs and a strong run game…. it can open up the playbook a little more allowing the signal caller to grow into the offense, as our starter will need to do. It is the first true fresh start we have had since JP bumbled his all up.
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Jason Cole D-line rankings on Yahoo NFL
Minnesota #1, Cole says Pat Williams is their superb run stuffer.
Baltimore #2, Cole says Ngata plays like an animal. He was the consensus first round pick to Buffalo, but instead the Bills picked Whitner.
So there you go!
Seriously?
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 29, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t you remember? Ngata was the perfect choice for the Bills, who needed D-line help, Whitner was a surprise pick. Instead, the Bills signed Larry Tripplett as a free agent.
yup
you are right. as i recall my friend, aka J2, was pretty upset about that. I personally wasn’t too concerned; I had the feeling they were equally important in their relative positions. That said, i think he feels whitner is better than credit is given, and i would have to agree that we shoulda taken Ngata. There really just is no match for a dominant DT; I believe you can make the secondary better with the pass rush, and run stop of a strong D Line. you can’t make the pass rush or run stop of a weak line THAT MUCH better with strong secondary play. we have seen this in action.
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Remembering isn’t the issue. People bring it up all the time. I just kinda thought it might be time to move on from Pat Williams especially.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 29, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Please stop...
about Ngata…I’m done reading these comments…I’m sick of it hearing about it…
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jun 29, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
hey.. we are like 28th.... ;)
and ranked ahead of San Diego… so, at least we arent dead last i guess. because honestly, St. Louis ahead of us? eesh. i sure hope not.
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i forgot to say
that basically all the media has been doggin us. bad. someone had been disputing that with me recently, and i really don’t know how. we are near the bottom of every type of ranking that i have seen, on every single post, throughout everywhere. which i am ABSOLUTELY FINE WITH.
let them underestimate us until week 17 for all i care. So that when we masterfully manage games, and win the close ones instead of losing, and our defense doesn’t have to score for us to have points, and WE MAKE THE PLAYOFFS, then they (all of those pessimistic non Bill-eievers) can be all surprised and amazed, and we can just be like… “Uh, duh…Of course…. I mean, you thought differently? Puggh…Tsss…Buhhh…. What? Wow.”
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Jeez MRW... run and stop the run?? Real original :-p
As boring as it sounds… thats where majority of games are won and lost. We gotta be able to do both. Stopping the run I think is going to be this teams biggest obsticale, even more than QB and LT. We got shreeeeeeeeedded last year. Thats got to stop… and I think with the pieces we brought in and the change to 3-4… we’re going to see a difference.
Run and stop the run… so simple, yet so important.
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You are going to hate the rest of the cliches, then. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 29, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha no, Ill still be here reading them… and agreeing with them. Cliches arent meant to be mind-boggling… but they are just as important as anything else dealing with football.
So keep ’em coming MRW! haha
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Why not "pass and stop the pass"
In 2009, half of the teams in the top ten in rushing made the playoffs.
Every year 12 of 32 teams make the playoffs, or 37.5%. So if there were no correlation at all, 37.5% of the top ten would have made it, or ~ four teams of the top ten in a category. So any statistician will tell you that the 50% is hardly different from a random result. The correlation was better for run D.
But it has become a passing league. So if you ran the numbers for “pass and stop the pass”, might the correlation be as good or better?
The only team in the top 10 for “pass and stop the pass” made the playoffs – the Packers.
However, if you look at the top 10 for pass D – only two made the playoffs; while in the top 10 for passing, an amazing 8 made the playoffs. So maybe the real key should be Pass and Stop The Run.
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So maybe the real key should be Pass and Stop The Run.
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by Sixteenthback on Jun 29, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
nice.
i believe that DJ had teh Pass and Stop the Pass mentality. he allowed movement between the 20s with our tampa 2, and our team did little to stop the run. however, we needed to be able to PASS under this mentality. and we brought in the likes of Fairchild, and even tried “continuity” (what!!??!) with Schonert, and AVP…. in the hope we could utilize our receivers and succeed at the pass.
We never did that.
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by Ren Diggity on Jun 29, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s because you’re all using yards given up per game instead of yards given up per play. If you’re using total yards, then the best recipe for a good run defense is winning in the 2nd half of games. If you use yards allowed per play for pass defense, then 8 of the top 10 (technically the top 12 because four teams tied for 9th) made the playoffs and the Cowboys and Saints both finished in the top half of the league. Only the Pats (18th) and Vikings (20th) made the playoffs without being in the top half of the league in yards allowed per pass attempt. The last few seasons, there has been a considerably bigger coorelation between stopping the pass and winning then there has been stopping the run and winning if you’re using averages instead of totals.
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“To win in the NFL, you must run and stop the run. It’s a long-standing cliche in football analysis.”
How is this a cliche or even common knowledge? I thought the cliche is you must have a reliable QB to win in the NFL.
The Bills run offense:
2009 – 16th (Being ranked in the middle makes them average)
2008 – 14th (slightly above average)
2007 – 15th (slightly above average)
What’s holding this offense back is the pass offense, which has been ranked 30th, 22nd, and 30th over the last three seasons, and the offensive line. Until, this team actually addresses their most pressing needs, they are going nowhere.
Drafting Spiller was nice, but it ignored the Bills’ biggest holes — quarterback, right tackle, and left tackle.
How is this a cliche or even common knowledge?
You must not watch ESPN. Everyone except Ron Jaworski says it like it’s their job.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 29, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
NFL coaches. NFL personnel executives. Fans of teams like the Steelers and Giants.
Seriously, how can you not have heard this phrase before?
by Brian Galliford on Jun 29, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I have heard the phase before, but I don’t think it is seen as the key ingredient to winning football games.
btw, you mention no names in your response.
Yeah
it was me. he forgot to give me credit, but yep, I was the first to coin the phrase. If you look back, it is certainly a recurrent them of my posts. ; )
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Well there is no single way to win in the NFL. I’ll highlight a bunch of them coming up in the next couple weeks. Just stuff people say in reference to the NFL.
And they’re generally cliches because they are continuously repeated, sometime obscuring the original source.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 29, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Well there is no single way to win in the NFL
sure there is….
SCORE MORE POINTS THAN YOUR OPPONENT
and add that one to the cliche board.
=)
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btw, you mention no names in your response.
…Seriously?
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by UZ on Jun 29, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I think its all Merrill Hodge knows what to say.
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by bflo on Jun 29, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
he also has nooooo idea how to use that touch screen tv on sportscenter haha
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i followed him for a while on twitter….he was halfway illiterate (probably because he has scrambled eggs inside his head) so i had to stop.
i like him on espn though.
by quantumuprising on Jun 30, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the problem here Henry is that you are confusing a cliche with NFL fact. I can spout cliches all day, that doesn’t mean that they are 100% accurate. They all have some hint of truth or are based on a philosophy, but that doesn’t mean that they are the end all truth of football. What MRW said is a well known cliche, but that doesn’t mean it is 100% true.
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which part would you say is untrue?
not picking a fight. i am ok with you saying that cliche isn’t fact… but at the same time… this particular cliche kinda is.
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I’m am saying that controlling the run game helps immensely in your effort to win games but it also isn’t a necessity. Look at the Cardinals two years ago. They were okay at stopping the run and had the worst run game in the league but made the Super Bowl….
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more of an exception
as they are the only example that anyone gives and before 2 years ago, no one used it.
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Well there is an exception to every rule. (Another Cliche!!!) And that is the point. It isn’t a fact and there for isn’t something that has to be followed to a “T”. Is it rue in most cases? Yes. But since it isn’t fact that is what makes it a cliche and that is my point.
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as dougery says above
when all three teams that finished in both the top 10 in rush O and rush D your cliche stops being tired real quick.
i guess i feel as though it could be as close to a fact as you can get with a football cliche. as i comment earlier, no one is putting forth 110%. expressions are just that…. however, if there is evidence to support the idea… then it can transcend just being cliche, and thus being a methodology, belief, or to some- a pure and simple fact.
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by Ren Diggity on Jun 29, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
In order to win, you must stop the run and the pass, and be able to put points on the board. You don’t focus on two areas, and say, “We did it.”
The biggest cliche I have heard is Quarterback this, and Quarterback that. If you look at most successful teams nowadays, the quarterback is a key piece to the puzzle.
Patriots (4 Super Bowl appearances) – Tom Brady
Steelers (2 Super Bowls) – Ben Roethlisberger
Colts (2 Super Bowl appearances) – Peyton Manning
Packers (2 Super Bowl appearances) – Brett Favre
Rams (2 Super Bowls appearances) – Kurt Warner (and then again with the Cards)
You even have Eli Manning with the Giants, Drew Brees with the Saints, Philip Rivers with the Chargers, Tony Romo with the Cowboys.
Hold the phone, buddy. Matt’s got more of these to come.
by Brian Galliford on Jun 30, 2010 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions
How is this a cliche or even common knowledge? I thought the cliche is you must have a reliable QB to win in the NFL.
How? Simple – because more than one cliche is allowed to exist.
by Brian Galliford on Jun 29, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
phew
i was worried about that…
like… will it no longer be “a game of inches”?
will we no longer “have to play the games”?
will we need to find a way to supercede even “giving 110%”?
: )
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I wanted to incorporate “giving 110%” into the series but am not quite sure how to use it effectively. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 29, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah thats a toughy
like using the “word” TOUGHY. haha.
well, there are just so many different different football cliches that have been used. So, without knowing you’re overall theme of the articles… apart from the fact they are cliches, and likely providing the evidence as to why… it really seems like incorporating it will be just saying that getting the most out of the players is the role of the coaches.
also, maybe you could point out that it is impossible to exceed 100% of ones ability. = )
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lol
different different
refer to the comment above where i point out i should SLOW DOWN haha
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Yeah
I used the “phrase” 110% here and my god did I get called out! I feel your pain!
by buffalobacker on Jun 29, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
note: ranking 16,14,15 respectively resulted in 7-9, 7-9, 6-10 records respectively.
which is awfully close to middle of the pack. we established you need to be in the top 37.5% to make the playoffs.
of the teams that made the playoffs, how many were ranked HIGHER in rushing those years? That is a stat i think would likely correlate, in most cases.
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and seems logical
that if we were to improve in that way… that it might not correlate to more wins, and therefore a higher likelihood of making the playoffs.
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I agree Henry
While Run and Stop the Run is a classic football cliche nothing can trump “Field a QB who knows how to win football games”. This can be guys like Joe Montana and Big Ben who play their best on the biggest stages, to Peyton Mannings who simply can throw the ball better than anyone, to Chad Penningtons, Jeff Garcias and Doug Fluties who despite all measurables will their teams to victories.
MRW’s point on teams stopping the run seems to be a very good one – if you try to force a QB who is not a winner to beat you on his own by taking away his ground game odds are hes going to lose it at some point with a turnover or stalled drive.
As Matt noted Peyton had the worst rushing offense in the league. Also of note is that Philip Rivers rushing attack averaged a league worst 3.3 yards per carry. Additionally the top ten QBs in 2009 for passer rating [Drew Brees, Brett Favre, Phil Rivers, Aaron Rodgers, Big Ben, Peyton Manning, Matt Schaub, Tony Romo, Tom Brady, and Kurt Warner] all led their teams into the post-season except Matt Schaub who in fact would have led his team in had the Jets (a team with a terrible QB but an amazing ground game and run stopping game ironically) not had two teams essentially lie down and let them in to the tournament at the Texans expense.
The Bengals, Ravens and Jets, who got into the playoffs despite not having a QB in the top ten all had fantastic ground games thanks to Cedric Benson, Ray Rice and Thomas Jones but they appear to be the exception not the rule.
The Cardinals, Packer,s Colts, and Patriots all seemed to have gotten in with weak rushing games and the Texans would have also counted in that category had they not been colluded against.
Running the ball and stopping the run is immensely important and it surely lays the ground work to successfully develop a QB who can one day win without that structure around him. It seems Nix and Gailey are wisely putting a system in place built to support a growing franchise QB which is exactly what we will be looking for next year or maybe even this year. The cliche may fit better as a team needs to “run the ball and stop the run” to start developing into a winner, but it needs a QB to actually be one. Having both of course, usually equals championships.
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its argueable
that many “great” QBs slip through the cracks when they aren’t drafted, aren’t developed, aren’t given real opportunity due to lack of talent, or simply aren’t played. a strong running game generally allows the signal caller to allow the play calling and gameplan dictate the rhythm of the game, and he can allow others to bear some of the expectation.
Also, i find it interesting the the QBs that you chose to comment as “willing their team” on, had the luxury of a decent run game.
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Poz’s comments just above. i know i clicked reply. i am sure of it. ; )
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a strong running game generally allows the signal caller to allow the play calling and gameplan dictate the rhythm of the game
I agree with this, as I noted in my comment, its great to have when you are developing QBs. With a young signal caller I want a strong running game and run stopping defense. But once you have a QB who can win the importance of the running game seems to dwindle. Warner, Rodgers, Rivers, P Manning, Brady and Schaub didn’t have what you describe, not even close to it, and yet still their teams were among the most dangerous in the league. The Steelers finally got a ground game going this last year and they missed playoffs. Big Ben carried them despite their ground game before that.
i find it interesting the the QBs that you chose to comment as "willing their team" on, had the luxury of a decent run game.
Well, thats the great debate isn’t? Maybe those running games had the luxury of a QB who could win? :)
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equally possible
Maybe those running games had the luxury of a QB who could win? :)
and i have to say that as is often the case… i agree with you. and i feel like most teams have a QB who COULD win. all of them in fact. otherwise they wouldn’t be on a team. that said, a good run game gives them a better chance of winning. i don’t think a strong QB necessarily dictates a strong run game, because if they had no line or receivers, they don’t necessarily have a passing attack.
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Problem with Run Stats
First I will say that I am ALL ABOUT run and stop the run. That’s the offensive core.
I never bought into the “chuck it deep to open up the defense” philosophy. Seems to me you have to have great pass protection to go deep often with success and generally speaking if you have great pass protection you’re pretty much set already. But if you are trying to establish success initially you simply have to be able to force it down the defenses throat early and often.
Anyway, rushing stats are problematic the way they compile them for a few reasons:
1. I care about a subset of rushing situations, not all of them. Let me exlain: if it’s 3rd and seventeen and the offense is “giving up” with an inside draw and they gain 8 yards playing against a nickel or dime package, that’s got to be weighted less. So I am primarily concerned with rushing stats agains the BASE formation, and those are not hashed out. I’m confident if they were the rushing stats would be much more enlightening.
2. As MRW states in the post, teams like Indianopolis score a lot of points and their opponents are usually playing “keep up.” These teams are far less likely to run the ball so avg rushing per game stats for those defenses will be skewed. You can normalize this by looking at a subset of games where they didn’t get a big lead early and extrapolate that out. My hunch… nah, I’m positive, Indianapolis’ run D would not compare favorably and might be in the bottom 5.
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I think “run and stop the run” is moving towards being a thing of the past in the NFL. I do believe that you’re always going to need to be able to stop the run to be successful, or else teams destroy you through time of possession and by wearing you down.
However, I’m a relatively firm believer of the Ron Jaworski mantra “points come from the passing game.” I do agree with MRW that there is no singular way to win in the NFL.
disagree slightly
as i jokingly comment above,
Score more points to win.
but seriously:
It doesn’t matter how. punt returns, kick returns, int returns, passing, running… kicking!!!! it sounds like a tantrem i realize, but there are just so many ways to score points in the game, and i just don’t feel that has been our focus. we have focused on minimizing damages (which i realize is what you must do when you lose double digit players in back to back seasons) and not really playing to our strengths. Jairus Byrd has demonstrated that even young players, who spend their time working hard and learning can have success early. we need our others players to believe this too, and our coaches to find that in each and every one of them. they all can contribute somehow, and i hope Chan finds that way for the offense and Edwards does so with the defense.
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by Ren Diggity on Jun 29, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Excellent
Very fine post MRW. Sure would help ( alot ) if Gailey can sprinkle in some successful pass plays as well. A little balance run/pass would seem important.
I think that’s going to be the last in the series where we look towards 2010 with excitement.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 30, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Everything is going to be O.K.!
Jon McCargo is learning to play Defensive End!
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Jun 29, 2010 11:21 PM EDT reply actions
But really..
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