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Ten Bills To Decide 2010, No. 5: Torell Troup

When the Buffalo Bills selected Central Florida nose tackle Torell Troup in the second round of the 2010 NFL Draft (at No. 41 overall), it's fair to say that more than a few eyebrows raised around Western New York. With several big-name players on the board, including another highly-rated nose tackle in Alabama's Terrence Cody, the logic of the selection was sound (if also controversial), but the reaction was somewhat mixed.

It's not hard to figure out why Buffalo chose to add some beef to its run defense early in April's draft - they've stunk at stopping the run over the past decade, and were particularly inefficient at it during the 2009 season.

Year Rank RYPG Allowed
2009 30 156.3
2008 22 121.6
2007 25 124.6
2006 28 140.9
2005 31 137.8
2004 7 100.2
2003 8 100.4
2002 29 132.6
2001 26 133.3
2000 6 97.4

Star-divide

Troup joins the Bills in a pretty unique situation; he enters the league as a known commodity from a playing talent perspective, which is rare for a player his age (Troup turned 22 just a week ago today). The 6'3", 315-pound rookie is very stout at the point of attack with excellent strength, and endeared himself to Bills brass with his endurance, as 3-4 nose tackles typically are not three-down defenders. He's not a superb athlete, which is why most draft experts expected him to be a third-round pick at the earliest, but for the role he'll be asked to play in Buffalo, he's an ideal fit and a safe investment.

As Matt Warren reminded us only yesterday, Buffalo's focus defensively this off-season was to get better at stopping the run. That's an admirable goal, considering that two of the NFL's top five rushing offenses from a year ago - the Jets and the Dolphins - both play in Buffalo's division. (New England was a respectable No. 12, by the way.) That's why players like Dwan Edwards, Alex Carrington and Andra Davis were brought in - to shore up one of the league's worst run defenses. That's imperative if the team wants to become more competitive within their own division.

Stopping the run starts with nose tackle play, however, and with all proper apologies to Kyle Williams and Lonnie Harvey, Troup by default is already the Bills' best run-stopping nose tackle. With 3-4 veterans Edwards and Davis in place, it's fair to expect the Bills to improve against the run, but those veterans alone won't guarantee significant enough improvement in this area.

There's a lot of pressure on Troup to perform not only because he's a second-round pick, but because of the caliber of prospects the Bills passed on in order to secure his services. No one is sure how much upside Troup has, but this piece isn't necessarily about that point in time beyond 2010 when he realizes his full playing potential - it's about his impact this season. If Troup struggles to adapt to the NFL game and is handled by the AFC East's solid group of centers (Nick Mangold, Dan Koppen, Jake Grove), the Bills will be forced to do more platooning at nose tackle on run downs, which will hinder the team's overall progress against the run.

It's tough to call a player so young and likely with only a part-time role the fifth-most important player on any team, and there's merit to that line of thought. Kyle Williams will certainly be a part of the nose tackle picture on Sundays, so it's not absolutely imperative that Troup become the three-down defender he was drafted to be. That said, even if he's a two-down defender, he needs to be more than a presence on the field - he needs to be up to the task of handling interior linemen to open things up for the Bills' solid inside linebackers. Without that, not much will have changed - and for all of his fine attributes, Williams simply isn't up to the task of being a two-gap space eater.

Improving against the run is an absolute must, and Troup is the centerpiece of those efforts. For a likely part-time player, his development holds a great deal of importance for the 2010 season and beyond.

Ten Bills To Decide 2010
10. G/C Eric Wood
9. ILB Andra Davis
8. CB Leodis McKelvin
7. RB Fred Jackson
6. FS Jairus Byrd

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Good bye Tampa 2 and that small, quick, undersized players B.S.

Given what Fewell did with our defense, I can’t wait to see what happens to the Giants defense. I would put Troup even higher on this list. If he can control the middle, this defense can be very good, but that is a lot to ask of a rookie NT.

"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown

by Joe P. on Jun 30, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't you mean

Good bye small and undersized players??? We didn’t exactly have too many quick players out there….

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by Kurupt on Jun 30, 2010 2:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Quick to be knocked on their a$$ :-)

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by Joe P. on Jun 30, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can we really call Troup a proven commodity???

And what does from a playing talent perspective mean? Sure, he was stout at UCF against Conference USA foes, but I don’t think we can begin to call him stout at this level yet. We know what he’s expected to do; if only we knew how he was going to play!

He really does need to step up this year, and do it quite early. Relying on Kyle Williams to get a bunch of snaps at NT is just going to lead to more run defense woes. Troup needs to be ready to contribute immediately to give our run D hope for improvement.

~K
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by Kurupt on Jun 30, 2010 2:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

What I guess I mean there is that we know what he can do, and we know what he’s expected to do; this is not a transformational athlete where you openly wonder just how amazing he can be.

by Brian Galliford on Jun 30, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

even playing against conference usa foes

most of those foes’ strategy was based around troup. he was double and triple teamed and still made plays. he was the big guy (literally and figuratively) on defense. the fact that offenses game planned around and through him, and he still came through in a big way should help spell that “conference usa” argument.

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by silverstreak3k on Jun 30, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good god ... 156 ypg on the ground.

Troup could even be put a little higher on this list, I agree with Joe P. Hes going to be a huge reason this team is succesful in 2010-’11.

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by bflo on Jun 30, 2010 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

What’s worse is that we gave up over 170 yards a game vs. our Divisional opponents in losses, factor in the 2 wins, it’s over 190. For anyone to say we didn’t improve vs. the division is clearly mistaken.

by eze on Jun 30, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why am I not understanding your comment? Were you being facetious?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 30, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

In four AFC East losses, the Bills gave up 170 yards per game.
In six AFC East games (two wins, four losses), the Bills gave up 190 yards per game.
Ergo, the fact that the Bills won two games while re-defining the word “gashed” means we must have improved in some fashion from the 0-6 spot we put up in ’08.

by Brian Galliford on Jun 30, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aaah, from 08-09. I was reading it strictly as an improvement in run d, when those 2 wins took the number down even more.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 30, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya, It was a little confusing I guess. Just stating that saying we didn’t try to improve against are division foes is wrong. This has been are biggest weakness vs. rivals and I’m thrilled were going to address it.

by eze on Jun 30, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have gotten so upset at watching them run over the team. It seemed that no matter who the RB was, they were getting chunks of yards. BenJarvis Green-Ellis is a household name because of performances against the Bills.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 30, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, and i sat thomas jones when he ran for 1,230,348 yards against us.

playing anyone who is playing against the bills might have been one of the best fantasy strategies there was last year.

by quantumuprising on Jul 1, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am expecting allot more out of Harvey than Troup

Especially in the early going. Harvey gets cut and Troup gets thrown into the fire. He will need more than four preseason games to get ready. Still liking the pick but not a fan of having a young player start on day 1 unless it is completely earned.

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by VanScottM on Jun 30, 2010 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

One represents a significant investment; the other does not. I can think of literally zero good reasons why Harvey would get any of Troup’s reps.

by Brian Galliford on Jun 30, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Were talking about stopping the run, I thought, not investments

Troup is a big investment, bigger once he gets his contract. So we should all expect high level play at one of the most critical positions on a 3-4 defense. Thats easier said then done. One player will get reps with the first team and the other will get reps with the 2 and 3rd teams. The coaches will review tape and decide who plays and who doesn’t. Based on size we have two prototypical NT’s on the roster. All I am saying is let them battle it out regardless of draft postion, best players play. I do expect Troup to get a fair share of PT this year. Fair share for a second round pick and more so later in the season than early. Hopefully Troup proves me wrong.

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by VanScottM on Jun 30, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not following you anymore. Your original post dealt with your expecting “allot more” out of Harvey as compared to Troup, and your second dealt with letting the two duke it out for playing time. I’m still struggling to figure out where you’re coming from on the first point.

by Brian Galliford on Jun 30, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

My apologizes, I know I do this way to often. Not much experience in editorial communication.

I have high hopes for T. Troup. I really do, I just see the task in front of him to be very difficult for a first year player to come in and produce at the expected level of the coaches and fans. I do agree with Nix that by mid season give or take a few games a young player should begin to enter his own and then will begin to separate himself going forward. I expect troup to separate himself by going forward and not backwards.

Lonnie Harvey, I am not ready to disregard him so early in the stage of developing our NT position for this team. I veiw Harvey as a casualty of the wrong scheme for his skill set. I am looking forward to training camp to see what he can offer to this team. I will go as far to say that I see him making an impact in our run defense until the time that Troup has matured to NFL standards and become our every down run NT.

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by VanScottM on Jun 30, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

How can you expect more out of Harbvey?!?!

He’s just as inexperienced and is the more raw prospect of the two. Expecting more out of a fringe roster player that probably will struggle to make the team than of a 2nd round pick just seems like backwards logic…..

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by Kurupt on Jun 30, 2010 3:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The same was said last year

regarding Spencer Johnson, and possibly by you and Brian both. Yet he did contribute to the DL. I am not saying that Harvey is going to the probowl or that the bills will be going to the superbowl. I am saying just because Troup was drafted by the Bills in the second round doesn’t necessarily push him to the top of the pile. Also, just becasue Lonnie Harvey was a fringe player last season doesn’t mean he doesn’t move up the ladder a notch this season and contributes at the NT position. These are all things that remain to be seen. There is so much that goes into transitioning a first year player in getting them ready for an NFL season, Harvey has had that and Troup has not. I have high expectations for Troup just not right out of the gate.

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by VanScottM on Jun 30, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally different situations

Johnson was a FA signing, added to be a rotational piece of the DL. He had a good deal of NFL experience in that role.

Harvey wasn’t even on the Bills last year and has as much experience as Troup in an NFL game….none whatsoever.

The Bills drafted Troup to play right away. Harvey isn’t going to be a reason that that might not happen….

~K
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by Kurupt on Jun 30, 2010 3:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Also

What exactly was said about Johnson last year that’s so similar to Harvey??? Everybody knew and expected Johnson to be a big part of the DL. Nobody was saying he was a fringe player with no experience….

~K
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by Kurupt on Jun 30, 2010 3:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I went to a few traing camp sessions last year

I remember S. Johnson getting reps with the first team D. I brought that back to the site. We were all hoping that McCargo would step it up, and it was Johnson that was summoned in McCargo’s place. The reply’s were were basically negative regarding Johnson as in lucky to make the team, etc…. My whole point is we have players on the roster that until cut are there to make a difference. I feel that Harvey has the potential to make the coaches seriously consider keeping him on the roster. I believe Harvey came from the panthers another 4-3 system an possibly was brought here to provide depth and possibly rotate in on occasion. Now he has an opportunity to play a position that is more suited to his abilities.

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by VanScottM on Jun 30, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

You do realize that

Lonnie Harvey is NOT Derrick Harvey …. Right?

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by Ren Diggity on Jun 30, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

dang, nfl defenses

against the run last year were atrocious. over 150 yards a game and still not in last place, and just a couple years ago, they allowed 137 yards a game, and were actually lower on the list? crazy.

troup is a beast, he will be a good NT (my crystal ball is brand name)

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by silverstreak3k on Jun 30, 2010 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

All this talk about how the NFL is increasingly becoming a passing league. Looks pretty rush-y to me.

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by BuffaloBlueBlood on Jun 30, 2010 3:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I would credit that to

the rise of platooning. Largely gone are the days of one guy getting 30 carries a game. Teams are mixing in backs and the fresh legs are producing dividends. I know this isn’t true for every team, but it does appear to be a trend.

by dougery on Jun 30, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually, more rushing yards could be a symptom of it being a passing league. Take the bills, for example – the defense dujour to defend against a pass happy team is the tampa 2 with its light, quick defenders. Then these teams get all geared up against the pass and can’t stop the run when it happens. Teams can gain more yards on less carries.

Another scenario – passing teams score lots of points early and then commit to the run the rest of the game. Not that i’ve ever seen that happen…

by quantumuprising on Jul 1, 2010 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

What i remember about Troup

is that he wasn’t Troup at all. When he was Johnson, i remember reading about him as have the potention to be of being selected ahead of Terence Cody, who was regarded as the top DT in that class…. Granted this was two years ago, when Troup (johnson)was contemplating coming out early, but chose not to do so. instead he stayed on in the least glorified position, as a captain.

I think that his relative success in a 3-4 could be what shapes our defense for years and years. We should ALL be pulling for this kid. And luckily for us he is a good kid too. so we CAN pull for him. DO IT! we need to “run and stop the run” , Right?!

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by Ren Diggity on Jun 30, 2010 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

i suck.

I remember reading about him as having the potential of being selected ahead of Cody.

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by Ren Diggity on Jun 30, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh. I could have read this for an hour

What i remember about Troup is that he wasn’t Troup at all. When he was Johnson…
and still been lost.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 30, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

: ) haha

yeah… he changed his name, and i had been following him sorta, but when we selected him i had no idea that Torrell Troup and Torrell Johnson were the same person. once i realized, i was no longer as surprised or upset about the selection. he was more than durable and talented enough to require double teams in college, and was happy to do it. That is what i want… we need OUR Jenkins, wilfork (scumbag), haynesworth (scumbag), or equivical DT in size and ability, preferrably a hard working character guy as well, and i think we may have gotten him

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by Ren Diggity on Jun 30, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

He could have been a first rounder

If instead of Troup he changed his name to " Torrell Bloodbath"

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by BuffaloBlueBlood on Jun 30, 2010 4:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Haynesworth is nearly enough of an argument for someone to make against supporting the NFL. I’d like to take a sticky lollipop and ram it up his nostril.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 30, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is everything that is wrong with pro sports. I dont know if Ive ever actually hated someone I never met, or that didnt do something personal to me or my family… but him… I hate. I cant stand him… I wish someone (Goodell) would just tell him to keep his fat mouth shut and play football.

Wah wah wah, I dont want to play the 3-4, wah wah… DUDE YOURE GETTING 100 MILLION DOLLARS! You better kick field goals if they ask you.

Albert Haynesworth = d-bag.

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by bflo on Jun 30, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d like to take a sticky lollipop and ram it up his nostril.

never head this before, but i like it.

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by silverstreak3k on Jun 30, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

except some of us think the nostril is simply too nice.

as in real estate, the main issue is location, location, location….

by quantumuprising on Jul 1, 2010 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Last year's run defense

The Bills ranked 30th against the run last year. Giving up 200+ rushing yards to 4 teams, including a 300+ rushing game vs the Jets. Nix did the right thing by beefing up the front 7. If the run defense can improve to compliment the #2 ranked pass defense, then our defense will easily be in the Top 15 (if not Top 10) by the end of the season.

by steve b. on Jun 30, 2010 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I could not agree more, I was one of the few who felt this was are worst need considering the climate and division were in.

by eze on Jun 30, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

"All this talk about how the NFL is increasingly becoming a passing league. Looks pretty rush-y to me."

"run and stop the run" (#1 all-time sports myth)

Yet, the story ends the same. To win it all, you need to pass well and stop the other team from passing well. It is no accident that Super Bowl participants are nearly always helmed by QBs who had very successful seasons. Neither the Colts nor the saints were very good at stopping the run last year. Saints ran the ball well during the season, the Colts did not. Why were the Saints better? Neither team had a stifling defense and Brees only slightly outperformed Manning during the season. NO’s defense was better at intercepting. Interceptions improve your chances of winning tremendously. Couple that with a high performing QB and you have a Super Bowl title.

Despite our record last year, the average point per game differential was only 4 points. This was with an absolutely inept offense. Improve the pass rush means reduced PA, more turnovers, improved field position and reduced opps for the opponent. Obviously, better QB play means more points. Couple these and say we score 4-6 poits per game more (not a huge jump). Maybe you have a winning record. Improve the run def and maybe it adds a positive 2 pts to the differential. Maybe we are at 10-6 instead of 6-10. So:

1st Priority: Better QB play
2nd Priority: Better pass rush
3rd Priority: Better run defense

by zumpp99 on Jun 30, 2010 5:12 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Valid points all, except.....

“Neither team had a stifling defense…” Tell that to Brett Farve who got his body crushed during the NFC Title game. I think he might have a different opinion (though he won’t admit it) of the Saints defense.
They looked pretty good to me that day.

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jun 30, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saints D

Looked great at times last season. They have a good rush and they covered very well on an inconsistent basis. Overall, a very under-rated D in my opinion.

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by kgun201 on Jun 30, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here is the issue with that list of Priorities you made

1- Better QB play- Nix obviously felt that outside of Bradford no one in the draft THIS year could help, ergo, he skipped on all QBs till he got Levi late in the draft.
2- Better pass rush- I think he was holding out hope that Schobel would be here another season, and that the people available higher in the draft would not be as big a return on investment vs. Troup and CJ Spiller, whom were at spots where potentially good-great pass rushers may have been available. I don’t know on this one, I am a bit more worried about that than the Run like you.
3- Better run D- I think he and Chan both felt that they could fix this the easiest and fastest since there was no QB they loved, nor pass rusher they felt they needed to bet the farm on. So they went with a more meat and potatoes style draft, and I would not be surprised to see the Bills be aggressive next draft trying to get a QB they love.

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by WABillsfan on Jun 30, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hated the soft cover 2

I’ am rooting for this guy. Because i thought we should have taken Linval Joseph. He’s bigger had more reps in combine. He was a beast at east carolina. Any way as long as we’re in a attach mode with blitz packages and keeping Wilson & Scott up close to the line. I believe we can survive with the front seven. Our secondary will hold up giving our pass rush time to get to the q.b.

by MoeSkillz on Jun 30, 2010 5:43 PM EDT reply actions  

More Reps in the Combine...

Bench press, especially 225 for reps, is one of the most overhyped “numbers” at the combine. With regard to gauging playing stength, I’d almost call it meaningless. It’s not completely meaningless because if a player performs under a certain threshold it could raise my eyebrow, but the difference between 25 reps and 30 reps is completely overblown.

I would much rather know how this kid uses his base, what his squat numbers looks like and his running abilities…. alll FAR outweigh the bench press in relevancy for even a DT. Yes, running is very important, especially the first 5 yards.

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by kgun201 on Jun 30, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like troup,

but imho, we really humped the puppy by passing on Cody.

Hopefully it will be proven that i am a terrible judge of talent and troup excells.

by BuffaloChip on Jun 30, 2010 7:32 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Unfortunately, I agree with this. Although, once again, I would love to be wrong.

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by StroudFanClub on Jun 30, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great line...
“Although, once again, I would love to be wrong.”

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by NorCal BillsFan on Jun 30, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

But

Cody had the “lazy” tag. I believe Troup’s intangibles trumped Cody’s work ethic? Like you said, time will tell.

by buffalobacker on Jun 30, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cody was just really good at being morbidly obese

And he has very little potential to be an every down back at that weight.

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by UZ on Jun 30, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Worries

I think of the NT like the engine block. Other things breaking down around it is problematic but not catastrophic, but that presence in the middle has to be solid and durable.

Durability is the only thing that you could possibly worry about in terms of the difference between the college and pro game because in a professional program he will only get stronger at his age and Nick Mangold should be having cold sweats about this guy for a lot of years.

So what are you worried about? Him not getting to the QB? He could have a pro bowl type of season with 0 sacks if the Bills run defense ranks among the top of the league. That would probably mean playoffs, by the way.

I have no worries because all he has to do is be himself in there.

Like Brian said, safe pick.

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by kgun201 on Jul 1, 2010 2:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Look at the mits on this kid.

That’s some bone density.

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by kgun201 on Jul 1, 2010 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

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