State of the Bills Roster: The Conclusion
Over the past month or so, we've been busy breaking down the Buffalo Bills' roster on a position-by-position basis. Dubbed our State of the Bills Roster series, we've taken a look at all 87 players currently with the team, excluding veteran linebacker Reggie Torbor, whose signing last week followed our breakdown of the team's linebackers by several days. (Rian Lindell, Brian Moorman and Garrison Sanborn were not covered, either; all three are high-quality performers and locks to be members of the 2010 Bills.)
Click the link above, or click here, for every State of the Bills Roster post that's run here, in the event that you're playing catch-up.
It's entirely too early for roster projections, considering it's only June 8, but I thought it'd be fitting to conclude this iteration of the series with my first official projection of the summer. By the time early September rolls around and football is right around the corner, you'll be bored stupid with this type of post, anyway, so I'll get this in while the getting's good. After the jump, you'll find the projection; it's a relatively safe and straightforward projection, but if you have questions or comments, I'll address all of them in the comments section.
Cuts: QB Ryan Fitzpatrick, RB Chad Simpson, RB Rodney Ferguson, RB Joique Bell, WR Chad Jackson, WR Felton Huggins, WR Naaman Roosevelt, WR David Nelson, WR Donald Jones, TE Jonathan Stupar, TE Joe Klopfenstein, OL Nick Hennessey, OL Cordaro Howard, OL Christian Gaddis, OL Sean Allen, OL Andre Ramsey, OL Jorge Guerra, OL Jason Watkins, DE John McCargo, DE Rashaad Duncan, DE Will Croner, OLB Aaron Schobel (retired), OLB Chris Ellis, ILB Keith Ellison, ILB Ryan Manalac, ILB Mike Wright, CB Ashton Youboty, CB Cary Harris, CB Lydell Sargeant, CB John Destin, FS Brett Johnson, SS Jon Corto, SS Dominique Harris
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Cuts: QB Ryan Fitzpatrick
exactly how I feel on the QB situation.
I would say that I like Johnson a little more but I saw a little footage of Hardy running and he looked good
We got the tools, We got the talent
agree that Scuba Steve
Stevie Styles, or Steve Johnson himself are all better options than Hardy. And agree w/ QB cuts as well. and…….. i was like um, i like um, was like, i um was like um, um, i was like um… I disagree w/ Lankster over Youboty. I’m just playing. I think he is entirely bright enough on field and off. But my feeling is that an experienced 4th year guy (though with little game play time i realize) with horrible luck is still better than an undersized 7th round pick w/ less experience. I don’t believe he is even a lock to make the practice squad over Sargeant or Virgil.
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my thought is brown will go to the practice squad and we will keep edwards fitzy and brohm
the reason behind it is
is there another team interested enough in brown to save a spot for him after all he is a project
the answer is NO
i also think buffalo will keep at least 6 receivers especially with our injury problems
think we wont keep a fullback and have a extra TE to block in those situations
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is there another team interested enough in brown to save a spot for him after all he is a project
the answer is NO
So you talked to sources from 31 other teams then, eh? :)
by Brian Galliford on Jun 9, 2010 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions
he is a 7th round pick if somebody wanted him bad enough they would of drafted him before we did
just saying i think buffalo will risk the chance of him being picked up on waivers
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I dont think injuries at the WR position have exactly been a problem. Compared to other spots where we could use the depth
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the only other spots where depth is a must is linebacker and oline
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Just off first glance. I like that you have Lankster as the 5th corner. And also Nis Harris as our Nickel Backer.
A little thin at OG/C but I think overall that team looks good.
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Meredith, Chambers and Calloway can all play guard. The center depth is where things get tricky; Wood would obviously be the primary backup. Buffalo’s in a position where they almost have to take the nine best linemen on the team, regardless of position, and I happen to think that’ll put a little pressure on Mr. Hangartner to keep up his durable ways.
Nic Harris was the very last guy on the roster, and he’s there purely as a specialist. He’d have a very hard time seeing the field as a defender.
by Brian Galliford on Jun 8, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
True. I guess I wasnt thinking that Wood would (haha) slide in to Center and then one of the others would play RG.
This may kind of sound like a dumb question… but was it close between Harris and Ellison?(who im guessing the last cut came down to with Harris)
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It’s interesting that you have Fitzpatrick getting cut despite saying he had the “lead so far” in the QB derby. I’m not saying I disagree, I just expected otherwise given your recent article. Clearly you think Gailey is going to lean on potential or Trent/Brohm are going to impress.
The reason I got such a kick out of the ridiculous outcry about that article over the weekend was because I had already written this. Like I said – in the summer of 2006, Kelly Holcomb had a very slim lead on J.P. Losman. It didn’t mean crap in the end.
I think Nix will use any excuse he can to get Fitzpatrick’s millions off the roster, whether they like him or not. All it’ll take are strong pre-season flashes from Edwards and Brohm. Those guys can flash, right?
by Brian Galliford on Jun 8, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Those guys can flash, right?
Just don’t wrongly lump Cory McIntyre in with them!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 8, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of...
How the hell is he the only FB on the team…IMO, he is a horrible FB. Can’t stand his play, felt bad for him about that peepin’ thing though.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jun 8, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Hard to make that judgment when he’s barely played. He still may only barely play.
by Brian Galliford on Jun 9, 2010 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s pretty much what I thought, too.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 8, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
But do you believe...
Chambers is a better linemen than Gaddis? I’m not a huge Christian Gaddis fan, but I am thoroughly unimpressed with Chambers ability to not get knocked over by big strong defenders. My impression that his roster spot last year was based more on the fact that he knew the system and would be less of a false start liability than a lot of the other younger guys.
Actually, Chambers’ roster spot last year was pretty much guaranteed, as the team knew that they’d be releasing Langston Walker.
Yes, I think Chambers is mile better than Gaddis, which is saying quite a lot. Honestly, of all the people on this roster, Gaddis was one of the last I’d expect to see in this comments section.
by Brian Galliford on Jun 8, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
The Oline he was on in college was good...(Arkansas?)
and he was the best if I remember correctly. He has the ability to play G/C and is much younger and probably cheaper than Chambers. He has been around on the PS and has had time to grow. I’m with cjf4 in that I wont write these young holdovers off…
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jun 8, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Gaddis will be 26 in October, and he went to the football powerhouse that is Villanova.
by Brian Galliford on Jun 9, 2010 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Howie Long scoffs at your sarcasm
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I’m sure London Fletcher would scoff at my John Carroll sarcasm, too.
by Brian Galliford on Jun 10, 2010 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d probably have Stupar make it over Schouman, but that depth chart is very, very similar to one I would put together.
I like Stupar better than Schouman, but Schouman’s a better receiving threat, and I don’t think Gailey will want to cut a guy that has that capability, plus a good rapport with one of his QBs.
by Brian Galliford on Jun 8, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Schouman can catch...
but IMO he is just not physical enough for this new team scheme and mentality…Stuparman!
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jun 8, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
QB
I am of the thinking that Fitzpatrick is the nearly-cemented backup, with either Brohm or Edwards being cut. I don’t like the idea of either going through this season without Fitz as a fall back option.
Other than that – I want one less LB and one more DB (Cary Harris based on your column yesterday). …and Bell looked too good to cut the other day at practice
Fitz has to look significantly better than the other options at QB because he makes so much more than they do. If you can get 95% of the production from another QB at 10% of the price, that’s almost a no-brainer. There’s a very real chance he gets cut.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 8, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s my line of thinking. As I said, all it’ll take are strong glimpses of production from Edwards and Brohm, and I think they’ll get it.
by Brian Galliford on Jun 8, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm confused
Are you saying that he is only better b/c he makes more money? That doesn’t make much sense to me. And wouldn’t you rather pay $2M more to Fitz this year if you thought he gave you the best chance of winning, even if he was only 5% better? The 5% difference could be the difference between a 9-7 playoff season and another 7-9 mind boggling nightmare. Also, I must reiterate that I think Fitz would be the better option to be the #2 QB to mentor the younger guys now and in the future based upon his attitude and the experience he gained under Bulger & Palmer.
I just don’t think it’s smart to skimp on money at the QB position. However with all that said, I saw how inaccurate Fitz was the other day on the BB.com video, and am not really sure I want him to win the starting job.
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by Sluss88 on Jun 8, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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Isn’t it ironic that the Dick-less Bills have more balls with CHIX running the show.
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fitz is 26 isn't he?
he is one of the young guys… none of these QBs have any one thing over another QB on the roster. brohm and edwards are fairly accurate, fitz is a little more mobile, and brown has a slightly faster release… but none of these clearly seperate any one individual. the reason Edwards is likely the starter is simply due to the fact he has proven the ability to string together wins when he has some consistency. if he can replicate this success, he will be the starting QB. otherwise, its a carousel for the year, and a “franchise” pick next year.
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Edwards is likely the starter is simply due to the fact he has proven the ability to string together wins when he has some consistency.
Once. Edwards has strung together wins one time in his Bills career. This isn’t an attack on you, Ron, I’m just saying that people can’t use “winning” as a plus for Trent. He hasn’t won anything, and I don’t think he’s even come close to showing he can win consistently in the NFL, or at least with the Bills.
I think last year was his final straw, at least in my book. I’d rather pay Fitzy the extra money and keep Edwards on the pine.
Thats one more time than Fitzy has strung wins together
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and brohm
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by silverstreak3k on Jun 8, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
But I didn’t say “Fitz should start because he has a proven ability to win games.” I think Fitzy should start because he gives us the best chance to make plays on offense, even with the mental lapses at times. IMO, he brings more to the table than Edwards, and that’s why he should start, not because he’s a “proven winner.”
’09 Fitz: 8 starts, 4-4
’09 Edwards: 7 starts, 2-5
’09 Brohm: 1 start, 0-1
IMO, if we’re going for future potential, you go with Brohm, and if you’re going for the best chance to win games now, you go with Fitz.
No, Fitz’s contract has no bearing on whether he is better. I’m saying that most GMs and people who run teams try to save money, either to line their owner’s pockets or store it away for use down the road, and Fitzpatrick is by far the QB who makes the most, so he has to be, not just kinda-better, but a decent amount better than the other options at QB or he’s could get cut.
And wouldn’t you rather pay $2M more to Fitz this year if you thought he gave you the best chance of winning, even if he was only 5% better? The 5% difference could be the difference between a 9-7 playoff season and another 7-9 mind boggling nightmare.
Suppose Trent wins the job, which we’ll call 100% production. Fitz sits at around 95% production, and suppose Brohm is 90% production. Fitz makes roughly ~2.5-3 million this year, Edwards is around $1.5 million, and Brohm makes 500k. If you can get roughly the same production out of Brohm, why wouldn’t you save $2-2.5 million by cutting Fitzpatrick? Obviously this is disregarding who is a better mentor and such, and it is certainly possible that the Bills keep Fitz solely for that reason.
Also, I definitely see the value in keeping the slightly better, more expensive guy to avoid the 7-9 vs. 9-7 scenario you suggested, but I think Nix believes this is going to be a rebuilding year anyway, so save the money and put it toward the plethora of 2011 free agents (Gaither, McNeil, etc.)
Bottom line, I don’t think Nix will view Fitzpatrick’s 95% production as the difference between 7-9 and 9-7, especially if he doesn’t win the starting job. If Fitz wins the job outright, then all of this is for naught.
agree with all
as usual. Fitz is 4th in my book as far as winning the starting job. he may be the one QB where you know exactly what you are getting, and it’s probably not really good enough.
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Exactly how I feel about Fitz
he may be the one QB where you know exactly what you are getting, and it’s probably not really good enough.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jun 8, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Fitz had a worse QB rating than Edwards last year and I honestly KNOW that he isn’t a starting QB. Trent on the other hand I am not sure about. He had a pretty productive season the year before last, and last year honestly the team was worse (mainly the O-Line was beyond miserable) and no one excelled.
I think the competition is between Brohm and Edwards, and unless Fitz is miles ahead, he is the most likely to leave. Brohm is still young and Edwards has better tools than Fitz.
Never thought I'd ever read this...
I don’t like the idea of either going through this season without Fitz as a fall back option.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jun 8, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
rec'd
simply on the hope that you are accurate. or rather than Brian is. or whatever. it doesn’t matter to me whose “original” thought this is (though obviously we are commenting on THIS article)…. just so long as it comes to fruition
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sorry, this happens to me sometimes.....
that was in ref to Jeff Winters above.
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in no way a knock
i would think it more remiss to ignore an elephant in the room. the topics will be exausted with the same 3 or 4 views throughout the year anyway… may as well provide a forum… which all of us appreciate and enjoy.
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mostly i just hope you are right
on 90% of the roster above. especially nic harris making the roster. guys that bright and hard working and manueverable are hard to come by… just wish he had a little more size. and also on fitzy getting cut. i don’t see spending the money on a guy who is at best a career backup when we can further develop guys who may have a chance (though i still feel brohm and brown are stretches, and if trentative doesn’t rock out, then we will be picking our “franchise” hopeful next year.)
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Given the way Lynch and Gailey are butting heads, I wouldn't be surprised to see Bell make the roster
Lynch could be traded or put on the TSTP list…..To stupid to participate ;-)
Isn’t it ironic that the Dick-less Bills have more balls with CHIX running the show.
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Lynch wasn’t that tricky. I think they’ll have a hard time moving him at this point, and I have a hard time believing they’d cut him. Ergo, third running back.
by Brian Galliford on Jun 8, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
pretty much automatic.
i was gonna dispute his placement with you, but who knows. he sure isn’t helping his own cause. but he really is the better option as the second back, if spiller really is what he looks like he is, which i believe him to be. besides… picture this…. shotgun 3wr w/ 2rbs….. you put spiller in slot, or jackson in slot, marshawn back for protection and you literally may still be able to dump off to either back, bubble screens, or just plain old 3 wr plays as spiller can locate the ball in the air. add in lee evans and ANY other body. come on. what do you do? even Captain Checkdown can play a spread… and have multiple guys to check down to that can still produce YAC
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but they could put him on IR
Isn’t it ironic that the Dick-less Bills have more balls with CHIX running the show.
"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown
once on IR you are done for the year
why would you do that?
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To piss Lynch off.....I was mostly kidding..forgot the ":-)" at the end.
Isn’t it ironic that the Dick-less Bills have more balls with CHIX running the show.
"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown
haha
gotcha. yeah… that is worse than cutting him, cuz you still pay him to be a whiny baby
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He would need to actually, you know, be injured for that to happen. They’d need to report said injury to the league office, blah blah blah. That has a 0% chance of happening without, you know, an injury
by Brian Galliford on Jun 8, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I can make a pretty good case that Lynch has some kind of brain injury ;-)
Isn’t it ironic that the Dick-less Bills have more balls with CHIX running the show.
"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown
I dunno, the Mets just got away with putting Ollie Perez on the DL with a mystery knee injury, the same injury that placed him on the DL last year when he started sucking.
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That happens in baseball all the time
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They could do to him what the Giants did to Ron Dayne, and make him a healthy scratch every week on game day
Wouldn’t prove much, but that is an option if he makes the team.
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
Brian, I think this is dead-on accurate how Lynch will spend his 2010 season.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 8, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
marshawn won't be traded
without some serious injury to another teams starter. and even then, we won’t get what we want so why get rid of him? HBs get hurt. i will take the proven 1000 yard rusher (in always less than 16 games because of injury actually) over the college kid who has never ever played. All day in fact.
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what if Lynch decides to hold out?
Isn’t it ironic that the Dick-less Bills have more balls with CHIX running the show.
"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown
hold out for what?
what can he expect to gain? being a baby hasn’t gotten him anywhere yet… why will it later if he is so expendable that you think he should just be traded away?
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Because he wants to be traded, more money, etc.
Isn’t it ironic that the Dick-less Bills have more balls with CHIX running the show.
"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown
I get the impression that the new Bills management team would play extreme hardball with Lynch, and basically tell him to eff himself if he held out. Gailey doesn’t strike me as someone who panders to a whiny player.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 8, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed....and I love it.
Isn’t it ironic that the Dick-less Bills have more balls with CHIX running the show.
"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown
since when is it what the player wants?
they told him no, he didn’t like it, and he is not getting more money from anyone else anyway. he signed a contract as a first round pick. he stands to make more here than anywhere. besides… holding out may just solidify his getting cut, and then he may get his choice of places to go… but at a much reduced salary. don’t forget he is one mistake away from sitting a YEAR. not a lot of teams looking to take that risk. and CHIX are doing what’s best for the team. which is stacking players. and ditching dead weight.
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or rather
they will eventually be ditching dead weight. right now it’s good to have the competition. i wouldn’t be surprised to see the Torbor signing being the end of Mitchell’s time here as well… a nice way to save some bank on a guy who is not really a 3-4 fit.
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Jason Peters got what he wanted
It happens. I don’t know what the fair market value for Lynch will be, but holding out has proven to be a good way to get you butt out of town for many players…..and make no mistake, Lynch wants out more than anything.
Isn’t it ironic that the Dick-less Bills have more balls with CHIX running the show.
"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown
Peters held out once and threatened to hold out again after rejecting a contract offer. We’re nowhere near that far down the line with Lynch.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 8, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Nowhere near that now, but
I can feel it coming in the air tonight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5C4N7UwVS4&feature=related
"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown
Ummm, and honestly, he is/was a superior player to Bong Mode, and oh yeah, plays a premium position too boot
So yeah, I am with you MRW, ML’s antics do not measure up in anyway with Peters situation
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
in order for a player to hold out
and that hold out to be effective, the player must have some leverage. lynch has none, almost less than none. with jackson and spiller on the team its not like they need him. his best and only bet is to shut up, do his work and win his starting job. the FO will gladly keep his pay checks and fines if he holds out because he will hurt no one but himself.
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by silverstreak3k on Jun 8, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I love Bell as much as the next guy, but unless a star running back goes down and Lynch’s value skyrockets to that team, I don’t see how Bell makes the team. Bell has a very good shot at the practice squad though, and that’s nothing to be ashamed of since we know those practice squaders can turn into solid pros.
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It seems to me that Buddy did a great job drafting. All our rookies are making noise, and getting highlights on the bills website. I know its very early, but looking at this depth chart, and seeing our young defense puts a smile on my face. Some real mean, athletic guys we drafted this year.
I’m surprised you cut Youboty. I mean, I don’t think he is necessary with the backfield how it is. But what’s your reasoning behind keeping say Harvey or Nic Harris over him?
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i prefer harris over youboty
and i am a youboty fan, but it’s close. Harvey would be a requirement as i believe you have to carry 3 DTs. and would want to anyway running a 3-4 for injury and/or player development.
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Re: Harvey, they need a true backup nose guard with a wide body, even if he doesn’t play all that much. Nic Harris sticks because of his special teams prowess.
Youboty really, really fell out of favor with last year’s coaching staff, and he doesn’t have the new lease on life that a lot of the offensive players do, because he’s still working with the same position coach. Lankster, Sargeant, even Virgil – all are guys I believe have a better shot at the final roster than Youboty.
by Brian Galliford on Jun 8, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
That may be exactly right about Youboty, but the guy ultimately making that call will be George Edwards, so Youboty in effect has one last chance. He is going to have to perform very well between now and August, though, and most important of all stay healthy. I agree that Lankster will make the roster, but as I note below I’m wondering if Kelsay gets released, in which case the Bills might opt for an extra DB instead of a LB (then again they might not).
Lankster, Sargeant, even Virgil – all are guys I believe have a better shot at the final roster than Youboty.
Derp.
Bills sign rookie OL Calloway, release DB Virgil
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 8, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Goes to show how much I think of Youboty, eh?
by Brian Galliford on Jun 8, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree
First off, anytime Youboty has been healthy, he has been one of the top corners on the field. His tackling has grown by leaps and bounds and he will stick his nose into spots he originally had not. Furthermore, Ashton is better suited for Man Coverage than Zone, and having that be a primary responsibility of the current secondary I would bet he stays. (BTW Virgil was cut today)
Secondly, While it is early, Chris Ellis has been rotating in with the ones and he is only 25 years old. I have a hard time thinking that Coleman, who’s only a year younger, and is an un-drafted rookie, makes the team over Ellis at this point. Could it happen? Sure. At this juncture it isn’t near likely though.
Other than that I can’t really dispute much else of whats going on. Lonnie Harvey is Gigantic, and the team is going to need to look for players such as this long term. I feel Nose tackles take a few years before they waddle on the scene and maybe this kid will follow a similar path.
A few thoughts:
I think they keep more corners, always seem to get hurt and with so much talent it seems hard to let it go.
Could Kelsay be cut? Hes making a big salary but the Bills could cut him with little recourse in the uncapped year. Would keeping a younger more athletic LB make more sense for this team?
Do the Bills junk the FB position? I feel 3 WR 2 RB sets would be more common, so keeping a more talented player on the roster to me makes more sense.
by Bill from LI on Jun 8, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You say “anytime Youboty has been healthy” like this isn’t a ridiculously rare phenomenon.
by Brian Galliford on Jun 8, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Injured players
Who happen to have extreme physical gifts, will get the benefit of the doubt. He is a far better fit. As a backup who you hope doesn’t have to start, wouldn’t you rather have a guy who could showcase near identical performance if called upon, rather than a lesser player who is just doesn’t get hurt?
That’s the thing, though – Youboty does NOT have “extreme physical gifts.” His straight-line speed is just average. He’s not terribly quick. I actually think he’d have a better shot at sticking if they moved him to free safety. You’re really overrating Youboty’s abilities.
by Brian Galliford on Jun 9, 2010 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Youbuty, while one of our best tackling DBs, perhaps second best behind McGee at the CB position, has a bad habit of letting minor injuries keep him from the field
There is a certain expectation of playing through pain and injury and he seemed to let anything stop him last season.
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A few amendments
This is a great job of projecting the Bills’ final roster based on what we know now, but I’ll offer the following possible amendments:
1) It won’t surprise me if Fitz is the starting QB and Trent is the one who gets traded or cut. I don’t think Fitz’s salary is going to be an issue. He’s a great back-up to have long-term, and possibly a starter. My guess is that he will start in September, but give way to Brohm if the team isn’t doing well. Gailey will then have had a complete opportunity to see what he has at QB and can decide if he wants to add one next offseason or not.
2) I’m increasingly coming to think Marshawn will be gone as soon as another team suffers an injury to their starting RB, at which point Bell makes the roster.
3) Here’s a wild prediction that may well come true: Antonio Coleman is going to end up as one of the starters at OLB and Kelsay is going to get cut, allowing the Bills to keep Youbouty.
If Schobel retires, Kelsay becomes the de facto sack artist on the team. There’s no one else even close to his scant production. Kelsay isn’t getting cut, imo.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 8, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
But a sack artist who can’t get sacks isn’t much use. I could be totally wrong, but I have a hunch that Coleman is going to continue to impress as a pass rusher to the point where it would be foolish not to start him and let him get a lot of game experiene in a rebuilding year, at which point Kelsay becomes expendable. And wouldn’t cutting Kelsay save about $4 million? And wouldn’t that cause Kurupt to jump for joy?
Keep in mind that Kelsay is currently starting at LOLB, which requires a linebacker who can line up head-to-head against the offense’s tight end and take him on. The LOLB has to be stout at the point of attack and set the edge on run plays, and Kelsay certainly has the size to do that. I do agree with your theory that Coleman may get some playtime on obvious pass rushing downs though, and I do think there’s a small chance Kelsay gets cut.
That’s a good point, although keep in mind that Coleman has a fair amount of size and strength, and he seems to have a lot more ahtletic ability than Kelsay. With his experience, Kelsay is more of a sure thing, but again this is clearly a rebuilding year so the choice becomes whether or not you want to have your OLB of the future out there. You are right that Kelsay looks like the best bet to start now, but it’s going to be interesting to see how things shake out over the next 3 months among Kelsay, Coleman, Batten and Maybin. There could be some real surprises (which is why I thought it would be fun to throw out my wild prediction).
Haha yeah I hear ya on predictions. Coleman is an interesting prospect, especially at such a murky position. He certainly could get pass rush snaps this year, and who knows what happens after that. He might profile best at ROLB (stealing snaps down the road from Maybin) because of his pass rush skills, but he certainly has a shot to make things very interesting at OLB.
i hear what you’re saying, but I don’t see this coaching staff as quick to cut a guy with Kelsay’s size and motor—and experience, for a rookie. I don’t think Kelsay’s the greatest athlete but he is someone who matches up VERY weel against most TEs in the league.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 8, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
There are usually about two or three surprises from camp
This is a good roster for what logically seems likely to happen. Any chance we could get your take on what those few unlikely surprises could be this year, Brian?
I’m going with Meredith, Lankster, and as a true dark horse, Batten. I think Meredith might surprise and turn out to be a great pickup in the end. Lankster too, I think it’s possible he makes a move and passes Reggie Corner at the dime position. And Danny Batten replacing Chris Kelsay as a sixth-round pick. None of these upsets will probably happen, but I’d say they’re ripe for possibility.
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I like Stupar. They’ll have a hard time getting rid of him.
I also really like Sargeant, and think he could stick as a fifth or sixth CB.
I still think there’s a really good chance Chris Ellis makes the team, particularly if Schobel doesn’t retire.
I’ve got two eyes on Sean Allen and Jason Watkins along the O-Line as well.
by Brian Galliford on Jun 8, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Watkins for me is a huge (maybe a pun intended) dark horse in my mind, would not be surprised to see him make the final roster
But if he doesn’t, I see them trying their hardest to get him onto the PS.
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Davis over Mitchell? I’d consider Kawika more talented in that spot. Am I wrong?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 8, 2010 2:27 PM EDT reply actions
Davis is running the 3-4, which is why he was brought in, Kawika will sit.
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In an interview with Davis, he said that this 3-4 is not at all like the ones he’s played in before.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 8, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The common misconception about the 3-4 is that both inside linebacker positions are the same. They aren’t (similar yes, but different). That spot is the Mike in our 3-4, which requires that linebacker to take on blockers (guards usually). Davis excels at this, Mitchell sucks at it. Mitchell’s skill set fits nicely with the Will inside linebacker; however, Mitchell is an inferior Will inside linebacker to Poz, so Mitchell will back up Poz there. We didn’t really have a Mike inside linebacker on our roster before the acquisition of Davis. For a longer explanation, go here.
It seems a shame to think Mitchell won’t start. I like what i’ve seen out of him when it comes to blitzing. So in the 43, Mitchell and Poz were interchangeable because there were 2 spots for their role, but in the 3-4, there’s only 1 slot for the 2 of them, right?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 8, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
In the Tampa 2 4-3, both outside linebackers somewhat have the same skill set because the Sam OLB generally tries to avoid taking on the strongside TE. This meshes to a degree with the skill set of a Tampa 2 MLB (athleticism) because the Tampa 2 MLB must play the deep middle in coverage. I don’t think it’s quite accurate that Mitchell and Poz were ever quite interchangeable, but they could play each other’s positions to some degree, even though Mitchell likely would have vastly struggled in coverage as a Tampa 2 4-3 MLB.
In the 3-4, there’s only room for one inside linebacker who is a playmaker yet struggles taking on blockers. The interior of the 3-4 is designed to funnel the play back inside to the Will inside linebacker, who is free of all blockers and can roam. Basically, Poz is the better Will linebacker and he’ll see the lion’s share of playtime, although you may see Mitchell replace Davis on obvious passing downs because Davis struggles in coverage.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 8, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thank you for this post. It clears things up nicely for me. rec’d!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 8, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't read too much into Mitchell being listed as a backup
I’d say he will see plenty of field in nickel and dime formations. I would’t be surprised if he is the #1 backup at all LB positions, which means he will probably be starting by week 3.
Absolutely. Mitchell is actually competing with Poz for playing time, as both are far better fits on the weak side of the alignment.
by Brian Galliford on Jun 8, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
That kind of looks like a Dick Jauron roster to me. I think McIntyre gets cut (He’s a 31 year old journeyman with no accolades) and Joique Bell takes his place as half/full back.
I don’t see Stevie Johnson as a shoe in for No. 2. I think Easely is making enough noise and showing enough potential in his speed and his hands to take that one home. We’ll find out how well he is at the physical game in pads. Roscoe does make slot, and alternates that with Spiller. Roosevelt makes it as a reserve and occasionally does returns. All the other wide outs get cut.
On the battle between McKelvin and Florence, I think that McKelvin wins based off of raw athleticism. Lydell Sargent v Ellis Lankster is a tough one. I could take one or the other… but Sargent is young with a lot of potential.
I can see Schouman getting cut, too.
As far as QBs go, I really don’t care. If Trent is starting, then good god get us a vet LT like Gaither or Brown because Trent is a pocket passer with lousy pocket awareness. If Its Brohm, then we could probably make well with Bell, but thats still a gamble.
If people keep betting against Florence, he’ll keep surprising them.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 8, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Your proposal regarding McIntyre and Bell wouldn’t necessarily shock me, but McIntyre’s skill set is completely unique to everyone else on the roster. I think he stays.
by Brian Galliford on Jun 8, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
What exactly is McIntyre’s skill set? That’s not a sarcastic question. I seriously don’t know what he does well.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Jun 10, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Changed the LB depth chart to reflect Reggie Torbor getting reps at OLB. The final roster hasn’t changed.
This may be nitpicking, but hasn’t Batten been playing at LOLB, behind Kelsay? To me, I’ve always viewed Batten as a strongside guy. I have no idea which side Torbor would line up though, so you might be correct.
Batten can do both, if you ask me, and in the interest of keeping the chart balanced, I switched him over, because right now, Torbor’s going to be the better run defender. Ultimately, it doesn’t really matter until the pre-season, when reps are far more meaningful.
by Brian Galliford on Jun 8, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
is it august yet?
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hey relax man – summer’s here – enjoy!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jun 8, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
nooooooooooooooooo not Corto.
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Here ya go to get you started:
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Every year I look at the off-season depth chart (not as organized as this one obviously – well done) and I think, this team looks like they will be good. I suppose looking at the line collectively they good be getting blown off the ball 80% of the time but there is talent there. If Bell materializes into what his potential is and we can stay injury free (oh, and if green can limit his penalties) then I think these guys could gel into a strong unit – if Wang heals up the UNIT will be even stronger. errrr, sorry…
Anyway, they have talent at the skill positions and Edwards just may end up breaking through with the right coaching which I think he is being served the best yet of his career.
The defense looks fast on paper and I commend management for at least putting something respectable together. I love the secondary and we have weapons and playmakers like never before. We have a running back, wide receiver, punt returner, kick returner, and corners that can all break one for a big play.
I don’t know… I am sure I am being overly optimistic but once again this team has me excited. Go Bills!
good projection
Looks like a pretty solid group. Schobel being gone is going to hurt though.
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I wouldn’t change too much. I’d rather see Meredith start…I think he’s just better. I think Stupar could make the roster over Schouman. I think Nic Harris is about 50-50 to make the roster, partly because I don’t know where he fits in a 3-4. I like Sargeant, maybe he and Lankster could make it if they keep six corners, I’m not a huge fan of Reggie Corner, but I think he probably does make the roster. I think it’s probably a toss up between Duncan and Harvey for a seventh guy, Duncan probably gives you a little more end/tackle versatility, but Harvey gives you a guy with optimal nose tackle measureables, so maybe it is him.
I like Donald Jones quite a bit, although he might be more of a PS candidate, along with guys like Sean Allen, Cord Howard, and Dominique Harris.

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