Bills "Game Film," Part I: The Defense
The 2010 NFL Draft is over, and a good portion of Buffalo Bills nation is drinking Buddy Nix’s Southern-style, cranberry-flavored Kool-Aid, embracing - or at least accepting - the fruits of the off-season. However, some fans remain confused and upset that the Bills have failed to address widely perceived needs at left tackle, quarterback, and so on.
Part of the answer as to why the Bills made the off-season decisions they have could be how the new coaching staff has evaluated the players currently on the roster. For instance, we’ve heard more than a few times that our front office felt our current crop of quarterbacks are just as good as any QB in the 2010 NFL Draft. I’d imagine the incoming staff has reviewed last year’s game film in-depth and given grades for every player’s performance.
Now, wouldn’t it be fun to get a hold of the grades the coaching staff assigned to a player? Sadly, that’s like my chances of flipping through television channels and stumbling onto "Charmed" - it ain’t happening. Instead, we’re going to have to ride with the next best thing - ProFootballFocus.com (hereinafter "PFF").
PFF "analyzes and grades every player on every play in every game to provide you with the most in-depth statistics you can find anywhere outside the team's film room." After the jump, we’ll dive into PFF’s grades for last season’s Bills defense. (Note: For the faint of heart, there may be some ugliness ahead.)
For anyone not familiar with PFF, I’ve included some excerpts from an interview with a member of PFF through SB Nation's Blogging the Boys, who did a similar study. Basically, PFF charts games on television and grade it like it's game film. Follow the links provided for more information, because for the purpose of this post, I’m assuming that the PFF data is true - even if it makes certain Bills players look like they need to be given the Old Yeller treatment.
PFF has a unique way of grading players. They look at game tape, assign a grade for every play and then ‘normalize’ the data so that the average player for a given position is graded at zero. The higher the positive grading the better the performance and vice versa. In their own words: "The grading takes into account many things and effectively brings "intelligence" to raw statistics. For example a raw stat might tell you a Tackle conceded a sack. However, how long did he protect the QB for before he gave it up? Additionally when did he give it up? If it was within the last two minutes on a potentially game tying drive it may be rather more important than when his team is running out the clock in a 30 point blow out." From the PFF Q&A.
1. A cornerback is beaten badly on a post route and the wide receiver drops the ball in the end zone. Tracking the result gives this as an incompletion against the cornerback (a positive) whilst we will mark this down as a significant negative.
2. A QB throws a perfect strike over a linebacker to hit his open slot receiver on an out. Once more, the wide receiver drops the pass and it cannons off his chest to a Safety who catches the ball even though he'd initially made a bad job of the coverage. The QB gets a INT listed against his name and the free safety gets an undeserved INT against his. How is tracking this result more accurate?"
Clearly there are limitations as to what is shown on TV. The biggest issue is that of not being able to see downfield coverages on untargeted defenders and we accept this as an inherent error in what we do. That said, nobody outside the teams has access to this either so should we stop our "more accurate" analysis on the basis that it's not 100 percent perfect?" From an interview with Sam Monson at PFF.
PFF allocates each player an NFL rank and a "score." Therefore, we can do a comparison of how each Bills player performed last season and compare them to their contemporaries at the same position. I’ve included the players' penalty scores, but personally, I believe that penalties are weighted too greatly in the overall score. Additionally, there’s a "percentile rank," to demonstrate where that player stood relative to other NFL players at his position (higher is better).
Green is a positive number, yellow is roughly an average grade, and red is negative (also one of the Bills’ primary colors and something we’ll see a lot of). The higher the number, the better that player performed; alternately, the lower the number, the worse they were last year according to PFF’s grading system.
Defensive Backs:
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Position last year |
Player |
NFL Rank |
# of total players |
% Rank |
Overall |
Pass Rush |
Cover |
Run Defense |
Penalties |
NFL QB Rating Against |
|
CB |
75 |
107 |
30% |
-6.4 |
0.0 |
-3.2 |
-2.2 |
-1.0 |
88.0 |
|
|
CB |
79 |
107 |
26% |
-6.8 |
0.0 |
0.7 |
-2.5 |
-5.0 |
74.2 |
|
|
CB |
86 |
107 |
20% |
-8.9 |
0.6 |
-3.7 |
-2.3 |
-3.5 |
83.7 |
|
|
S |
4 |
85 |
95% |
11.4 |
3.1 |
4.6 |
3.7 |
0.0 |
20.5 |
|
|
S |
37 |
85 |
56% |
-1.3 |
0.0 |
4.9 |
-4.2 |
-2.0 |
37.5 |
|
|
S |
65 |
85 |
24% |
-6.0 |
-0.7 |
1.8 |
-4.1 |
-3.0 |
58.1 |
|
|
S/OLB |
19 |
53 |
64% |
3.6 |
1.3 |
6.9 |
-4.6 |
0.0 |
93.9 |
I expected to see something akin to a Christmas tree from the Bills’ defensive backs - lots of green with a mix of yellow and sprinkles of red. However, that’s a lot of red, especially for the area of the team most people think is our strength. I was pretty shocked to see PFF think our best overall cornerback was Terrence McGee. Drayton Florence was actually better in coverage (the only positive Bills cornerback), but his grade gets crushed by the five penalties he had (see what I mean about the grading system being overly harsh on guys who were penalized?). Leodis McKelvin didn’t have enough snaps to qualify. According to PFF, Bills cornerbacks as a whole didn’t perform too well last season.
PFF rated George Wilson as the fourth best safety in the entire league last year. Wilson’s QB Rating Against is 20.5, which was the lowest in the league for a safety who played a large number of snaps. PFF dings Jairus Byrd for his clear weakness - run support - and he also ends up positive if you take away his penalties. Mr. Polarizing, Donte Whitner, was graded below average with a poor run defense figure. However, his coverage grade and his QB Rating Against were excellent, so there’s room for improvement in his grade if his run defense improves. PFF counts Bryan Scott as an OLB for their rankings; he would have been the No. 12-ranked safety had they included him there. Obviously playing outside linebacker last year for the Bills flattened his run defense grade.
One of the quibbles I have with PFF’s system is how it takes interceptions into account. In watching the games, Byrd basically won two games by himself, and I don’t believe PFF properly grades the impact of interceptions. For those wondering which CBs got the top PFF grades, it was far and away Charles Woodson with a 29.2 and Darrelle Revis with a 27.4; Revis had an absurd 32.3 QB Rating Against. Woodson had a Run Defense grade of 15.0, which vaulted him slightly ahead of Revis, and his 31.0 Coverage grade.
Linebackers:
|
Position last year |
Player |
NFL Rank |
# of total players |
% Rank |
Overall |
Pass Rush |
Cover |
Run Defense |
Penalties |
NFL QB Rating Against |
|
ILB |
6 |
54 |
89% |
15.0 |
2.9 |
6.5 |
5.6 |
0.0 |
47.4 |
|
|
ILB |
Andra Davis (Den) |
5 |
54 |
91% |
16.3 |
4.8 |
-0.5 |
13.0 |
-1.0 |
103.2 |
|
OLB |
45 |
53 |
15% |
-8.8 |
-1.3 |
1.6 |
-7.6 |
-1.5 |
108.5 |
|
|
OLB |
48 |
53 |
9.5% |
-10.1 |
-2.4 |
-4.3 |
-3.4 |
0.0 |
98.1 |
|
|
4-3 DE |
30 |
73 |
59% |
2.3 |
2.5 |
1.5 |
1.3 |
-3.0 |
N/A |
|
|
4-3 DE |
71 |
73 |
3% |
-20.3 |
-10.4 |
2.0 |
-11.9 |
0.0 |
N/A |
For the linebackers, I chose to include the players who will be playing linebacker in our 3-4, while listing their positions last year. New addition Andra Davis had the fifth-best grade according to PFF, and Paul Posluszny had the sixth-best grade among inside linebackers. You can also see that PFF graded Davis as struggling in coverage, which is generally considered his weakness. If those grades continue into this year, we could have a very formidable inside linebacker duo. Posluszny also had the lowest QB Rating Against among all inside linebackers, with a 47.4. Provided the Bills graded Poz even remotely near the figure PFF gave him, I’d expect to see long-term extension talks soon. Kawika Mitchell struggled mightily in the Tampa Bay and New Orleans games; he was average in the other three games he played before being placed on Injured Reserve.
Keith Ellison graded really well in exactly one game - the Cleveland game (the entire defense had good grades for that game, probably because Derek Anderson played as well as I could have). If Ellison’s grade is accurate, he’ll have a tough time making the team. Aaron Schobel was inconsistent; he’d have a top-notch game (e.g. a three-sack performance in Atlanta) followed by a miserable game. Kurupt will be pleased to note that Chris Kelsay graded out as the third-worst 4-3 defensive end in the league. However, Kelsay did get a positive grade in coverage, so perhaps he has better skills in space than previously thought, and can transition to OLB successfully. Recently acquired LB Reggie Torbor finished with a -5.6 overall rating, slightly below average among players with a qualifying number of snaps.
Defensive Line:
|
Position |
Player |
NFL Rank |
# of total players |
% Rank |
Overall |
Pass Rush |
Cover |
Run Defense |
Penalties |
|
DT |
Kyle Williams |
13 |
87 |
85% |
7.3 |
2.6 |
0.0 |
4.7 |
0.0 |
|
DT |
55 |
87 |
37% |
-6.5 |
-4.1 |
1.0 |
-1.9 |
-1.5 |
|
|
4-3 DE |
66 |
73 |
9.5% |
-11.6 |
-3.8 |
-1.0 |
-5.8 |
-1.0 |
|
|
DT |
84 |
87 |
3.5% |
-20.8 |
0.9 |
1.5 |
-21.2 |
-2.0 |
|
|
3-4 DE |
Dwan Edwards (Bal) |
18 |
73 |
75% |
6.2 |
-7.9 |
1.5 |
13.6 |
-1.0 |
We all knew Kyle Williams had a good year; it’s comforting to see that confirmed. He registered a higher grade in run defense than I expected to see. You can see why the Bills let Ryan Denney walk - negative numbers all around there. The big shock here, at least to me, was what our defensive end situation would be without signing Dwan Edwards. I know Marcus Stroud had a bunch of nagging injuries last season and didn’t play well, but he was Kelsay-level bad. In fact, Stroud actually earned a lower PFF grade than Kelsay did. Stroud’s run defense in particular flabbergasted me. Stroud posted a +14 overall grade in 2008, so it’s entirely possible last year was a fluke because of various injuries. There’s also the very real chance that he’s reached the decline phase of his career.
If the Bills graded their game film even remotely similar to this, it’s easy to see why the Edwards and Alex Carrington additions occurred. Perhaps defensive end was just as big of a hole as QB and LT? Edwards undoubtedly excelled at run defense, but was a giant black hole when rushing the passer. He’s here primarily to stop the run, which clearly plays to his strengths.
Once again, if the Bills game film grades are similar to PFF’s grades, the defensive line got a horrible grade last year except for Williams; the off-season spent bolstering the defensive line makes a whole lot more sense in this case, especially with the off-season switch to the 3-4 defense.
Are these evaluations a correct indication of how the Bills may have graded their players? Their off-season acquisitions and decisions so far could indicate that they are, especially the focus on the defensive line. In Part II, we'll go through the offense (expect more red).
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Wow
That is a lot of information to take in!! Although It makes me like some of our move a little bit more than I already did.
by Kelly to Reed Touchdown!! on Jun 9, 2010 8:40 AM EDT reply actions
Seems about right with what alot of people were saying
Yet, it makes some surprises conclusions…
DBs… seems like Wilson and Scott were the “best” safeties outside of Byrd’s 9 INTs, which is admirable and he was a rookie so there was bound to be some negatives… and DOnte was average at best, which doesn’t do him any favors. I am intrigued by Wilson this year, and hope that we find ways to use scott in the new system.
Kudos to Kyle Williams and Poz. These two lunchpalers are giving their all with weak players abound. I am very happy we overhauled the defense… can’t wait to see the offense
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Cool Analysis
I wonder how much the poor ratings for the corners was impacted by the line play. We know in real life it’s hard to cover without pass pressure. I’m glad Wilson graded high and I hope he starts this year.
I was not at all upset by the defensive priorities of the draft. Defense determines your identity and our identity has been very soft.
Well done Jeff..rec'd
I like the site’s attempt to put meaning to the stats. Eat your heart out Ron :-) I haven’t looked at the offense yet……should be a blood bath.
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It'll be the past 20 years of horror movies rolled into one big excel spreadsheet when he gets to the O Joe.
I knew our guys didn’t bring the noise as a whole unit so to speak last season, but this is downright depressing. I figured since Nix mentioned how he wasn’t thrilled with the QBs in the draft that we might go another direction, and fixing the D will take some time (obviously after looking at those charts!) so their decision to focus there makes more and more sense.
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An Interesting Analysis But...
I have a hard time reconciling all the red boxes for the secondary with the fact that Bills finished 2nd in pass defense last year.
Any thoughts?
Agreed
Something seems a little off. Although Penalites seemed to hill the db’s, it still seems like the numbers are a little odd. Our Pass def was sick last year, and made some of the best qb’s look average at best
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Yeah this was the hardest part for me as well. Essentially, PFF thinks our cornerbacks are average or perhaps slightly above average minus penalties, but that group is buoyed with a group of great safeties. Additionally, PFF believes that Poz was the best coverage MLB, so he contributed a good deal to our pass defense. Moreover, I personally don’t think PFF gives enough credit for interceptions. I think PFF’s numbers indicate that they think our pass defense was a result of the team as a whole, rather than the strength of our cornerbacks.
I would agree with that, and also add in that scheme is a consideration
It’s FAR easier to play CB and even safety in a Tampa 2 than in most other systems. The DB’s are roughly doing the same thing every play, so the mental mistakes are driven way down. Also, with a zone, it’s sometimes not going to be clear who made the mistake. With man coverage, it’s easy.
The good part for Buffalo is that George Edwards isn’t changing the secondary scheme much. I’m interested to see how a Tampa 2 secondary scheme blends with an Bullock-Fairbanks 3-4 front.
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Our CB's are average though
There’s no star there at all, just a solid veteran duo and a youngster who hasn’t done much. There’s nothing spectacular about them. They have solid run stopping skills, but I think overall our pass D was aided by a perfect storm of many factors last year.
-terrible QB play really led to major INT production and good ypa numbers
-opportunistic safeties helped too
-the Tampa 2 prevented the big plays, and kept many plays at the minimum
I really don’t think any of the numbers from last year are sustainable. I honestly believe the biggest factor to last year’s production was the horrible QB’s we faced….Chad Henne twice, Mark Sanchez twice, Derek Anderson, Jake Delhomme, Vince Young, Matt Cassel, Curtis Painter, Byron Sandwich and mediocre players like Matt Ryan and David Garrard were what really helped us rack up the picks and keep yardage down. We had four games against top QB’s…Brady twice, Schaub and Brees. This year we get Brady twice, Roethlisberger, Flacco, Rogers, Cutler and Favre with mediocre QBs like Garrard, Palmer and improved guys in Sanchez, Stafford and Henne. Cassel and Delhomme are the only bad QBs, IMO. That’s going to be A LOT tougher on this group.
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by Kurupt on Jun 9, 2010 1:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t think anyone is expecting a repeat or an increase on last year’s production, though. It’s not too much to ask for better individual performances and, say, 50-65% of the INT production, is it? That’d be a strong season.
by Brian Galliford on Jun 9, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
People are talking like our CB's are some of the best in the NFL
That’s still a strong season, yet will probably be met with a steep overall drop in production. People are going to be disappointed if that’s how they perform, which I think would be unfair.
~K
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by Kurupt on Jun 9, 2010 2:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My feelings is that our pass defense is not the second best in the league. Talent wise we just don’t fit in there with our CB’s. Now if McKelvin becomes a dynamic corner then my story changes. However, while I don’t think were a top 5 pass d (as of now Byrd is really the only star), there’s no way in hell were not top 10-12. With and improved run d, this D will be much better.
by eze on Jun 9, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it possible to adjust the weighting of (two) categories to better represent a position?
I wonder what the defensive back (corner and safety) numbers would look like if you could increase the impact of interceptions by 10% reduce the impact of penalties by 10%. I think both are reasonable adjustments considering the nature of the position(s).
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Maybe most people are giving too much credit to the secondary?
Given that our run defense was so porous last season, teams might have chosen to run the ball us instead of trying to test our secondary more. Does anyone have a stat on how many plays our defense was run against vs. passed against last season? And how does that compare to the rest of the league?
by GregFromNJ on Jun 9, 2010 2:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
will take some time to digest
but, in the meantime, thank you for an outstanding post. Some really in-depth analysis.
I really appreciate the effort this must have entailed.
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Great information there. I was shocked at Stroud’s grades though. I knew his game was slipping a bit, but wow. He is graded right there with Kelsay!!!!
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by Schooled You on Jun 9, 2010 10:00 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah, PFF obviously thought Stroud was a huge liability last season. I know through various means that he was very banged up during the season, but I don’t know if that explains his poor play or if he’s just in the decline phase of his career. I’d guess the latter, and I’d also guess the Bills saw Stroud’s 2009 performance and drafted Carrington accordingly.
Keep in mind that PFF graded Stroud at a +14 in 2008, which put him near the top of all DT’s that season. In hindsight I would have included that season’s breakdown here.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 9, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow, excellent job
Overall, I don’t find any of that real surprising.
I believe the DB’s are going to have a significant drop in production this year, and something like this seems to predict that as well. Those were some pretty unhealthy numbers for a pass defense that finished ranked so high. I guess the poor opposing QB’s really was the major factor last season?
Good for Poz. He really had a good year last year, and has definitely improved greatly during his short career. Let’s hope that continues.
The additions of Davis and Edwards look very good in this breakdown. I expected Edwards to grade out well, but was pretty surprised by how high Davis was rated. Let’s hope that play continues this year.
Kelsay and Stroud are not surprises to me at all. Both were bad last year. I’ve been down on Stroud for some time, but that’s only been opinion of what I saw. Now I have some support for his poor, declining play.
How do guys like Kyle Williams, Stroud and Kelsay get coverage ratings? I guess batted down passes come into play here?
The worst overall players in this breakdown….Kelsay, Stroud, Denney, Ellison and Corner are really not surprising. Unfortunately, some of those guys are going to have major roles again this year. Oh well.
~K
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How do guys like Kyle Williams, Stroud and Kelsay get coverage ratings? I guess batted down passes come into play here?
That was my guess. To a lesser extent, it also involves their play when dropping into a zone coverage.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 9, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
i think the awful play of most of the qb’s must play into the db grade a lot – where jeff says byrd single handedly won us two games, i think an argument could be made that two opposing quarterbacks lost games for their teams.
by quantumuprising on Jun 9, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I would definitely agree with that. We caught some truly awful QB performances, and although I’d like to give our defense all the credit for that, I think some of the QBs would have played poorly no matter who was on the field against them.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 9, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, the qb play was awful but Byrd is a machine. His nose for the ball is truly remarkable, he’s just a magnet. The Panther, Browns and Jet games were gimme’s for this pass D but those are really the only games horrific qb play came into play.
by eze on Jun 9, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Byrd is definitely a prime example of a player who is flat-out instinctive around the ball. It’s a near-impossible to gauge attribute, but you know it when you see it.
It truly is incredible. There’s only a few db’s I have ever seen with that type of instinct (mind you I’m only 28), Byrd has something no one can teach.
by eze on Jun 9, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
stroud’s ranking blew me away.
i wonder what scott’s numbers would be like purely as a safety, not any LB snaps.
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I wish I could have isolated that. My guess would be a lower pass rush figure, a slightly lower cover number, and a better run defense number. It’s hard to tell though. Either way, I think he’s an asset in our safety group.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 9, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
great great great analysis….can’t wait to see the offensive side. At least you’ll only have to use one color.
by quantumuprising on Jun 9, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions
Haha that’s what I figured going into it. There may be a surprise or two though.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 9, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd have to believe Fred Jackson's boxes will look like Shrek
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by Kurupt on Jun 9, 2010 2:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Nice one, rec'd
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I like how Maybin isn’t anywhere up there because he didn’t have enough snaps… even though he played all 16 games. Dammit Jauron!
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In Maybin’s limited number of snaps, he was a -13.1, with a -6.3 in pass rush and a -6.8 in run defense.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 9, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
that seems about right.......
perhaps why Jauron and Perry didnt play him much…..a whole lotta suck
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jun 9, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
PFF Numbers are just about meaningless
The problem is that you need to take into account what a player’s assignment was before grading him. Most people thought McGee and Florence were one of the best CB tandems in the league last year, but it’s also true that they were working predominantly in a Tampa 2 zone scheme in which they were supposed to keep the receivers in front of them rather than in engaging in man coverage where they would have a greater chance of actually breaking up the pass. The strategy was to give up yardage, but not points. If that’s true, how on earth can you rate them on the same basis as other CB’s who were able to shadow their assignments closely and, as a result, give up a lot fewer receptions and yards?
Everyone loves to have exact numbers to latch onto in order to make judgments on players, but the only way to do that is to work off actual game film, not television, to know precisely what the players have been asked to do, and to have trained coaches making the evaluations. PFF has none of those attributes, which is why its system is very dubious.
I agree with you to an extent, especially about systems/assignments impacting numbers. PFF definitely isn’t an exact science by any means and I take their numbers with a grain of salt—they aren’t necessarily the objective truth because of the factors you listed. It’s also impossible to get actual game film unless you work for a team or the league office, so unfortunately we have to make do with this.
by Jeff Winters on Jun 9, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Florence
I could of sworn I read a blog somewhere stating that Drayton, when he took over for Leodis, was one of the better CB’s in the league.
I really expect Stroud to have a better a year this year. I would have to look at the site to see how things break down, but it seemed to me like Stroud seemed to wear down during the second half, primarily the 4th quarter. And when you look at the depth behind him you can see why, he never got a break, and he was playing through injuries which only makes things worse. With Carrington I can definitely see Stroud getting rest when he needs it, or at least a healthy rotation.
I was really glad to see Poz do well, I think he will always be a good LB, if only he could work on catching the ball (any of you guys seen the OTA highlights of him getting PD and dropping the INT?)
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The website doesn’t have breakdowns by quarter. I will tell you that PFF thought Stroud had an abomination of a game against the Jets in week 6 (-8.9 grade) in addition to various other bad games (Houston, Tenn, Pats). I also think his injuries were vastly underrated to a large segment of Bills fans; he was completely banged up the entire year. It wouldn’t shock me at all to see him bounce back bigtime.
It wouldn’t shock me as well. He has totally rededicated himself and is fully embracing the switch to 3-4 d end. Stroud was banged up all year last year and top of that was overweight for his standards. Dropping 20 pounds shows he ready to play in this defense and should also help limit some nagging injuries.
by eze on Jun 9, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Defensive Line
This just goes to show when the season ended I wanted the Bills to fix one of the two things. Either offensive line or defensive line. We went D line first and that’s cool with me, this is how New England built there dynasty.
The only Buddy Nix quote I always think about is when he said something like “it was tough to see our guys blown 4-5 yards off the ball every play.” He said it in such a way—almost with contempt—that made me believe he fundamentally disagreed with the light, under-sized defense we ran.
Absolutely and he was 100% correct seeing that the climate, and division we play in. As well as the fact we don’t have the offensive fire power to truly make the tampa 2 defense succeed.
by eze on Jun 9, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
i guess i’ve never really thought of it that way, but that’s a good point. Where are the two places everyone really thinks of when you hear tampa 2 success?? tampa bay and a dome. I still need some convincing that that’s a good defensive scheme if you don’t have all stars up and down your d line.
by quantumuprising on Jun 9, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yet, we're likely to see 5 starters in the front 7 as returning players
Williams, Stroud, Poz, and two of Kelsay/Maybin/Schobel. Luckily, the additions of Davis and Edwards adds size with Ellison and Mitchell/Draft being replaced. That should help.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Jun 9, 2010 2:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The other Nix quote I appreciated was when he said something along the lines of “the NFL should give us 24 draft picks this year, we certainly need them.” Leads me to believe that Nix thinks it’s a rebuilding project here in Buffalo.
I really hope thats what he thinks
If he, or anyone, thinks this team is capable of competing for anything this year…dey nuts!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Jun 9, 2010 2:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
you never know
That’s why they play the game.. and why we watch it.
"Ability without character will lose. The Bills are going to be a team of high character. That stamp I will push very hard. I hope we can convey that to our fans and project something very special to the rest of the nation." - Marv Levy
by BuffaloBlueBlood on Jun 9, 2010 3:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You didn’t pick the 1-15 Dolphins to make the playoffs the following year, did you?
"Ability without character will lose. The Bills are going to be a team of high character. That stamp I will push very hard. I hope we can convey that to our fans and project something very special to the rest of the nation." - Marv Levy
by BuffaloBlueBlood on Jun 9, 2010 4:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree, we are rebuilding but were rebuilding for a superbowl. This team is going to be more competetive than most think.
by eze on Jun 9, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Quick O line preview
Just doing a little research and this is how our o line graded out last year. Meredith -1.1, Levitre -15 (surprising but will be much better) Hangartner -10.7, Wood -7.7 and Green -8. What’s nice is that Wood and Levitre will most def improve and if Meredith just gets a little better, this line could be ok.
Sorry for being that guy Jeff. My bad, I just could help myself, I found it interesting.
by eze on Jun 9, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha no worries. There’s more to the offense article than the O-line, and I included a lot more players than just those five.
Sweet man, I’m looking forward to it. This was one of the better articles posted and actually led to some awesome discussion.
by eze on Jun 9, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
NO, DON'T DO IT!!!!!
In Part II, we’ll go through the offense (expect more red).
"Pressure is when you don't prepare, and I know I've prepared myself..."
-C.J. Spiller
none of the grades were suprising
mcgee played horribly in the games he was injured (i think three total), stroud was a relative non-factor all year and schobel was jekyll/hyde all season which can be expected when coming back from the injury he had. There is no doubt are safeties are the best part of our secondary and byrd and wilson deserve to start (maybe scott wilson on run downs), poluski keeps improving and shold be a force this year
What about Torbor??
We know he was the back-up ILB for the Phins last year behind Crowder and Ayodele, still he ranks ahead of them in this study.
Duos that will be nasty
Edwards and Williams could be dangerous. Stroud lost some weight for the DE position lots hope he can do work and then our front is going to be tough to stop. The Inside is going to be a lock with Poz and Davis in there. The highlights i have seen so far Poz has a lot of pass break ups. Scott and Wilson are sleepers no one ever thinks of. Like both guys a lot too. Guys to watch for besides these duos are Byrd (please give us another season just get 5 picks and that will make me happy…and more is even better). Schobel (I think he might retire but lets hope not we just need one more year to help us build up before lose this guy). Rookie Carrington should have a decent year too.
A man must except his fate or be destroyed by it
Great post!
Rec’d!
Schmucks don't make it to the Pro Bowl... except Jason Peters!
by Run Thurmal Run! on Jun 9, 2010 7:36 PM EDT reply actions
Glad to see the numbers show that Wilson, Scott, Williams, and Poz were actually good.....
I’d say thats a pretty spot on representation of our guys.
Im not looking forward to the offense.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jun 9, 2010 8:42 PM EDT reply actions

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