Adam Schein believes the Bills should name Trent Edwards their starting quarterback. Like, yesterday.
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my thoughts exactly
he is the best we got
but gailey may be using this as a ploy to get him his confidence back
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I hope that is what it is - a confindence builder
But whomever gets it, they need as many reps as possible. I am all for them jettising the odd man out (Fitz) sooner rather then latter and getting more reps for everyone else
Also...
Might also be important for his teammates to see that he won the job, so they start to get their confidence (in him) back too.
"When you wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty. The pig likes it."
Yeah
But he should, ya know, actually win the job first instead of being handed it….
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Jun 9, 2010 12:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m sure that if Trent gets the job it means he outperformed the other QB’s. I also think that they are hoping Trent steps up and takes the opportunity. Chan has been nothing but straight forward in his speeches, if he says it’s an open competition then I believe him.
Damn my eternal optimism, will I never learn?
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by Over the Moon on Jun 9, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with most of what he said. I agree that Trent is the best QB on this team and I also think that he will ultimately win the job, but I think that Trent NEEDS to win the job. Just having it handed to him by default almost hurts more then it helps. I think that for both Trent’s psyche and his teammates confidence in him he needs to win the job.
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although i agree with adam
and believe TE is the man at qb this year, i dont think he NEEDS to be named the starter from day one. he wont be missing out too much being traded in and out with fitzy. the real point is, when chan knows that TE will be the guy, he shouldnt go back and forth and him an haw about it and just name him the starter and stick with it. give TE the whole year to either prove hes a starting qb or prove that he should move on in his career. TE is a smart guy and he knows all of the players already, theres not such a huge need for him to be getting all the first team reps this early….
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I think this guy is an idiot windbag
He gives absolutely no reason why Edwards should be the starter other than his “MVP” start (way to ignore the rest of his career) two years ago. Similarly, he dismisses Fitz and Brohm…..I wonder if he has even seen them throw at OTAs? And if Edwards wins the job in a legitimate QB competition, wouldn’t that be more beneficial to the team than Edwards being handed the job after a few OTAs? I mean seriously, the Bills haven’t named a starting QB in June….OH MY GOD!!!!!! I guarantee that the Bills season will not be lost because they haven’t named the starting QB yet.
"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown
i believe what he is getting at is trent is the starter because he is better than everyone else
and he is right trent is
i think these last 2 years havnt been trents fault it was the coaching staffs and adrian wilsons fault
the bills cant trust trent if trent doesnt trust them and both people lost trust right after the arizona game
and last year was just stupid the way the qb/oline situation was handled
hopefully gailey can right a whole bunch of wrongs done to trent and the bills fans
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How is Trent better?
What has he ever proven?
How is that Adrian Wilson hit an excuse? If the guy can’t take a hit and come back from it, then I don’t think there was much there to begin with.
I hate all the excuses made for this guy. He hasn’t cut it yet, and its unlikely he miraculously will. Can’t keep blaming others for his poor play…
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Jun 9, 2010 2:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
when trent was hit he lost all confidence in the blocking and nobody has ever showed him otherwise
and i bet if you put brees manning brady behind our oline we had last year i would expect the same results
and if you draft a west coast type player ie completions first and you dont play to his strengths
or if you draft a bootleg throw deep qb ( losman ) and make him stay in the pocket
whose fault is it really when you draft a player and dont play him how he plays best
it would be like drafting adrain peterson just to block
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i hate this argument so much. just look at green bay this year – their offensive line was arguably worse than ours and rodgers still found ways, time and time again, to get the job done.
by quantumuprising on Jun 9, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
no oline was worse off than ours
and using the packers as a reference aaron rodgers wasnt starting his rookie year he sat years behind farve and learned and he also has the benefit of having a system he fits into unlike buffalo
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you cannot seriously think that if peyton manning had our line last year you’d have the same results as 6 tds, 7 ints, 1200 yards, and 23 sacks. i’d give him minimum triple that.
by quantumuprising on Jun 9, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
i would peyton is only payon cause he has time to throw
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then i would venture to say you haven’t actually seen the colts play very much.
by quantumuprising on Jun 9, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
watched the superbowl when the saints dline destroyed manning
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Um the Colts
offensive line isnt that good. Manning is manning because he knows how to buy himself time. He moves in the pockets ever so strategically with the way the line is blocking. He also never panics and knows when to get rid of the ball. Edwards actually moves into the pressure and holds on too long. And Aaron Rodgers sitting on the bench for 3 years doesnt teach him how to react under live game pressure and lack of blocking. Those are natural instincts.
rodgers sitting for 3 years gives him a chance to learn the playbook
and for your info the colts have a top ten oline
as for edwards hut hut is not a long time especially when he gets the ball on the second hut
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Washington had a terrible OL last year. Jason Campbell didn’t lose his job and then watch a career backup keep his cool in the pocket fairly well. Jacksonville had an awful OL a couple years ago. David Garrard didn’t implode after losing all confidence. And nobody would confuse those guys with Brady or Manning.
SFC: Were you excited about Clausen dropping to the Bills pick? Or did you have a feeling that the Bills wouldn’t pick him anyway?
Galliford: Both, like when that hot chick waves at someone she knows standing behind you.
if your talking bout fitzy and his 3 step drop slant routes
i dont see how we can say fitzy is better with his 3 step slant routes
than trent who checkdowns there the same thing
as for garrard he had the best rb combo in the league that year
and as for jason campbell there was nobody better qb than campbell on that roster the only difference was the coach kept him starting because he had FAITH and CONFIDENCE in him two things DJ didnt have in edwards and in turn edwards lost faith in the team
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Jason Campbell had a QB rating of 86.4 last year. He threw 20 TDs, completed 64.5% of his passes and averaged over 7 yards per pass attempt. He kept his job because he didn’t let his surroundings drag him down to the bottom of the barrel in terms of production. Campbell kept his job because he didn’t get a little bit worse every single week.
MJD is great. No denying that, but Fred Taylor in his mid 30s isn’t exactly anything special. Statistically, the Jags didn’t run the ball in 2008 as well as Buffalo did last year and it’s not super close. Garrard had the worst OL in the league that year and Matt Jones, Dennis Northcutt and Marcedes Lewis as his starters at the receiving positions. His situation was comparable to Edwards last year, but he still had a positive TD/INT ratio, averaged a not terrible 6.8 yards per pass attempt, completed 62.6% of his passes and made the best of a bad situation.
SFC: Were you excited about Clausen dropping to the Bills pick? Or did you have a feeling that the Bills wouldn’t pick him anyway?
Galliford: Both, like when that hot chick waves at someone she knows standing behind you.
Just excuses for a poor QB
At some point, despite hurdles, the player has to step forward and make plays, earn respect and get the job done. Trent hasn’t done that, and much of it is his own doing.
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by Kurupt on Jun 9, 2010 3:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
who do think is better than
i can only think of one maybe and thats moorman
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huh?
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by Kurupt on Jun 9, 2010 3:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
who do think is a better qb??
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I think they all stink
Trent definitely isn’t better than the others, and vice versa.
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Jun 9, 2010 3:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Name another starting QB who completely lost his team (not just benched) last year and will be starting this year
"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown
Since you didn’t specify “with the same team,” I’ll go Jake Delhomme.
by Brian Galliford on Jun 9, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
along those line jason campbell alex smith vince young
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trixy little hobbits :-)
Yeah…..I meant with the same team.
"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown
Dont really agree with this at all. Trent is definitely to blame, probably more than anyone for his own game. It doesnt help when he has a few different OC’s every year… but excuses for Trent are really getting old. Come on… Adrian Wilsons FAULT that Trent isnt that good?! … thats not true.
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you cant expect a qb to learn a offense in a year let alone 4 in 3 years
if you look at the colts pats cowboys dolphins jets what do they all have in common they had the same offensive scheme in place for years you need stability on both ends to succeed think of it as building a house you need a SOLID foundation in place before you can build that house
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And how is 3-4 years of the same system affected if the QB always misses 25% of the games? How is the post season looking with the #1 QB on IR?
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usually with the same system everybody is in tune the qb the wrs and the blockers
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Eventually the guy (Trent) has to make some plays. And he has not done that…
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Im at work now so I wont be able to view them til later, but Im guessing one of them are against the Chiefs 2 years ago… in his only GOOD GAME as a pro. Hes had OK games… but that doesnt get it done in this league.
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top one jags game bottom one mix of games
i feel ok games are good enough with proper clock management cause all that counts in the end is winning look at dilfer and the ravens
edwards has proved in the past to string wins together
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I’m totally with you Joe P. He fails to mention how injury prone Trent is. But that doesn’t matter because he had a 1/2 MVP year. Gimmie a break.
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I agree with one thing, Schein is an idiot
How can he say Edwards was an MVP candidate when through 4 games averaged 232 ypg with 4 total tds and 2 picks against 4 pretty terrible teams? Skip right over the MVP trophy and just put him in the hall of fame with those numbers. And the sad part is, that was the best stretch of games in his career. Gross. The guy is virtually talentless. He’s got less smarts than Fitzy, and less physical ability than Brohm. So how exactly is he the best choice, let alone a clear-cut choice?
this guy sounds like an absolute moron to me. just because trent edwards is the only qb you know in buffalo doesn’t mean he should be the starter.
why should other qbs get first team reps in otas? how about: a. trent’s durability concerns, which are major; II. trents loss of the lockerroom last year, which is bound to carry over with the remaining players; 3. his inability to win games regularly; iv. captain checkdown; five, his limited pocket skills and poor pocket presence……………………etc
also, who is this guy? i can’t say ive ever heard of him before
by quantumuprising on Jun 9, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s got a show on SNY which covers NYC teams and airs all the Mets games. I’ll catch bits and pieces of his show here and there and don’t mind him. Maybe he just needs to stick to covering the NYC teams. Maybe Kurupt or somebody else who lives in or around the city have a different opinion on him.
SFC: Were you excited about Clausen dropping to the Bills pick? Or did you have a feeling that the Bills wouldn’t pick him anyway?
Galliford: Both, like when that hot chick waves at someone she knows standing behind you.
I've watched him before
Not particularly impressed. And that video just solidified it. We finally have an offensive head coach in town. I’m totally fine with him sifting through the trash at the QB depth chart and figuring out the best guy for the job whether that’s Edwards or Levi Brown.
im just a little skeptical since, you know, he doesn’t cite any facts or anything else that shows he actually knows anything about edwards, the qb situation, or the team.
by quantumuprising on Jun 9, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't mind him
He’s pretty solid on Sirius doing the NFL coverage, although his voice is irritating. I don’t watch Loudmouths; mostly because they talk about the Mets and Jets so much and his co-host Chris Carlin is annoying.
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by Kurupt on Jun 9, 2010 3:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree with this, to a point.I think we should start Trent. Brohm is not a confidence builder to me,we have seen Fitz’s ceiling and Levi needs time to learn. Calling him starter now won’t happen. Gailey like’s competition, and since he’s never not(sorry bout the double negative) coached a playoff team, I trust his way’s. (Even if Dallas was 8-8 that season, it worked out)
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Jun 9, 2010 2:28 PM EDT reply actions
well he's never NOT had a HoF QB leading those playoff teams either........
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jun 9, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing this staff needs to do with Edwards is find ways to inflate his confidence, even if it’s artificially inflating it. If Edwards is competing for the job, then the only pressure he feels is what he puts on himself. If you call him the starter, then he feels the pressure of performing for the whole team. I want to keep the pressure and expectations off Edwards for as long as possible. A QB competition is good for him.
And completely dismissing Brian Brohm would be a really, really, really stupid thing for the Bills to do. It’s easy for random Jets reporter to ignore Brohm, but the Bills need a real answer at QB, not some QB in the last year of his contract who might be really solid if things around him go well.
Oh, and Schein, the concussion isn’t what ended Edwards’ tear. He came back to beat San Diego in what was probably the biggest win of his career. He played great and the Bills beat a legitimately good team. But then Edwards had a mediocre game against the Dolphins which lead to a three turnover performance against the Jets which was followed by a bad game against New England which lead to the monday night meltdown against Cleveland. The concussion didn’t ruin his season. Edwards’ inability to stay confident and fight through bad starts or a few hits always leads to him having poor stretches. He falls apart under the pressure of his situation.
SFC: Were you excited about Clausen dropping to the Bills pick? Or did you have a feeling that the Bills wouldn’t pick him anyway?
Galliford: Both, like when that hot chick waves at someone she knows standing behind you.
Oh, and Schein, the concussion isn’t what ended Edwards’ tear. He came back to beat San Diego in what was probably the biggest win of his career.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 9, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
He makes a good point
If Trent is named the starter later on, he will take the reigns of an offense that he didn’t get to spend as much time with the 1s with as he should have. Since everyone is learning a new playbook, it’ll make it even harder for them to grow that repertoire during the season.
How could Trent Edwards be having an MVP type season, Adam, if he never threw for more than 262 yards in a game? Or more than one touchdown in a single game? Seriously. The guy was averaging a touchdown a game and 217 yards passing. That projects to 16 touchdowns and 3480 passing yards. Good but he would have been outside the top ten in both categories and by a lot.
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I don’t disagree that Edwards should be the starter, though.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 9, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
if he never threw for more than 262 yards in a game? Or more than one touchdown in a single game?
Exactly. 4 TDs and 4 turnovers during those first four games. The Bills offense scored a little under 23 points per game during that stretch, which if extrapolated, would have put the Bills offense in the bottom half of the league. And they did it all against some of the leagues worst pass defenses and worst teams (Seattle, Jacksonville, Oakland, St. Louis).
SFC: Were you excited about Clausen dropping to the Bills pick? Or did you have a feeling that the Bills wouldn’t pick him anyway?
Galliford: Both, like when that hot chick waves at someone she knows standing behind you.
if you can put up those numbers on that team thats mvp to me that is top 10 stats right there
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Actually there are not top ten stats. Like when I said he would be out of the top ten by a lot. It makes him an average QB.
I would certainly take those stats out of Trent by the way.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 9, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
his avg a game was 232.5 before he got knocked out
over 16 games that comes out to 3720 yards which was good enough for 8th that year
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i think if anybody can get the bills to the playoffs deserves mvp
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 11, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it was the Onion that suggested he give back a Super Bowl ring for every dumb product he endorses.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 9, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Let the QBs get their practice
I fully expect Trent to be the starting QB, just as I expect him to be injured several games this season. No rush at naming the starter, they will all probably end up starting a few games due to injuries.
































