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Buffalo Bills 2000s Worst-Decade Team - Special Teams Selection

About a two and a half months ago MattRichWarren presentedus with his Buffalo Bills 2000s All-Decade Team series.  And for about a month we voted on a series of poles to determine who was worthy of being on that team.  But more often than not we also ended up complaining over the limited sometimes horrible talent that we had to pick from for any given position.  So it was about at the TE position that I thought "hey why don't we also vote on the worst players that played for this team over the last decade?"  And so here we are.

Now just like MattRichWarren'sseries I have a few criteria for players to be eligible for this team.  They had to have played in at least a full season's worth of games in this decade to be eligible.  Starting is not requirement, but you do have to have played significant amounts of snaps in those games.  That means that, for example, the Bills 3rd receiver might make the list, but a 4th or 5th stringer wont be considered.  That means that we wont end up voting for 7th rounders that ended up playing 2 snaps.  These are going to be real players that played real roles on this team over the last ten years.  And just because a player ended up on the All-Decade team does not mean that you can't also be on the worst-decade team.

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Ok we have officially been into this series for a month now.  We've done all of the offense and had a few close votes and a lot of landslide "wins" and now it's time to get to special teams.

Now we have been lucky enough to have had the league's all decade plunter play for the Bills; if you didn't catch on it"s Brian Moorman.  And we've only had one other punter play for us this decade: Chris Mohr.  We have also had a very dependable kicker who is a practical guarantee within 40 yards in Rian Lindell.  Now out of sheer respect and appreciation for what Moorman and Rian Lindell have done for us this decade I do not want to include them in a voting process, but I will give you a loophole in the poll.

So with that in mind it leaves us with one punter to vote for (Chris Mohr).  We've also had 5 kickers play for this team over the last decade, one great one (Steve Christie), and average yet incredibly dependable one (Rian Lindell) and three truly horrible ones.  Now considering that you can't view STers in the same way as any other position in football, I'm just going to include all of them regardless of time spent on the team.  If you were bad and played in a game for the Bills your on this list.  Se here are the kickers.

Jake Arians
Arians was an undrafted free agent that was signed on to replace the retired Steve Christie.  It didn't work out so well for him or the Bills.  In his one season in the NFL he connected on 12 of 21 field goals for a 57.1% completion rate and going 16 for 17 in PAT's.  He was released  ten games into the season.

Shayne Graham
Another undrafted free agent Graham replaced Ariansduring the 2001 campaign.  He was decent in his 6 games with the Bills going 6 for 8 with a 75% completion rate and completing all of his PAT's.  Being on only a one year contract withthe Bills Graham chose to move on and signed with the Bengals after his six games with the Bills.  He played in the 2005 Pro-Bowl as a Bengal and remains their kicker to this day.

Mike Holis
Buffalo's kicker for the 2002 season Holis was signed away from the Jaguars.   In his one season for the Bills Holis went 25 for 33 with a 75.8% completion rate, while connecting on all 40 of his PAT attempts.  2002 was his last season in the NFL.

Alright time for the vote.  But like I said I'd give you a loophole.  The options I have listed here are all Chris Mohr and (enter name of listed kicker here).  But if for some reason or another you feel like you would have liked to see either Moorman or Lindell in the poll there will also be a re-vote option in the poll.  If the re-vote option wins, I'll scrap this poll and start another one.

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Poll
Which Special Teams combo do you think represents the worst of the Bills' Special Teamers for the last decade?
Chris Mohr and Jake Arians
95 votes
Chris Mohr and Shayne Graham
7 votes
Chris Mohr and Mike Holis
11 votes
None, I would like to see either or both Rian Lindell and Brian Moorman included in the Poll (say which one in comments)
2 votes

115 votes | Poll has closed

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Poor Chris Mohr. He was so good for the Bills. He shouldn’t be on this list.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 18, 2010 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

agreed......I think we should have a none of the above option for punter and be able to vote for the kicker separately

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by Joe P. on Jul 18, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed as well.

I’m slightly inclined to not include a punter on this team. Moorman is a legitimate HOFer when compared to the few punters that are already in there so no way I was going to include him here. But Mohr was also excellent for us.

This is one case where I truly didn’t want to include a punter.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 18, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure there’s not any punters in the HOF, but I agree he’s probably been the best in the league through his career.

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by RickStonetree on Jul 18, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your right, Stonerude is the only place kicker in the HOF. I thought that Yale Lary made it in as a punter, but after looking it up I was wrong. My bad.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 18, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

No wait, Lary did make it in. He’s a member of the 1979 class. So there is a punter in the HOF.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 18, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I though that Ray Guy might have also made it, but I was wrong on that one. So there is only 1 punter in the HOF.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 18, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I know Ray Guy has a lot of people lobbying for him to make it in, but I didn’t know about Yale Lary, so I stand corrected. Eitherway, with the career Morrman’s had in a stadium like Ralph Wilson, he should at least get consideration when he retires.

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by RickStonetree on Jul 18, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well not when he retires, probably be more like Guy and only start being considered 20 years down the line.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 18, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh and for the record Lary also played safety, so he was not a pure punter. But there were very few, if any, pure punters in the 50’s.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 18, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

:-)

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 18, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is no pure punter in the HOF. ie a guy who only played punter. Lary is in but also on the back of his safety duties that earned him a ton of Pro Bowl nods.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 18, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Chris Mohr certainly belongs here. In his final season in Buffalo, 2000, he averaged 38.5 yards per punt. That would have been good for dead last in the NFL this past year for all regular punters. His net of 31.4 yards that year would have been dead last by over 2 yards. He had 19 punts inside the 20 that year, out of 95 total. That 19 wouldn’t have been dead last, but close. Of the punter who finished 2009 with less than 19 inside the 20, the most punts any of them had was 66. His long of 57 would have also been in the bottom 3.

For the 2000 season, he finished 30th in yards per punt and dead last in net average. So, yeah, he certainly belongs on this team. His 1999 season was only slightly better, as well. For his career, he was a decent punter, but was mostly middle of the pack league-wide. I wouldn’t feel so bad about him being on a team like this.

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by Kurupt on Jul 18, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leave it to K to bring up the stats and prove us all wrong.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 18, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey

If he’s going to be more than worthy of a spot on this team, I wanted to know why!!!

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by Kurupt on Jul 18, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

And your right, he is worthy of a spot on this team and because of your research it’s no longer by default either.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 18, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I stand corrected. :-)

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 18, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you suck at offense and defense for much of the decade

you better field a damned good special teams unit.

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