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Expectations For Spiller, Troup, Bills' Rookie Class

As we continue to await word on whether or not the Buffalo Bills are able to sign rookies C.J. Spiller and Torell Troup prior to the start of training camp, I figured I'd stay on the theme of rookies and answer a question that I've received repeatedly since April. Paraphrased in many cases, the question boils down to the same query: "Brian, what are your expectations for Buffalo's rookies this year?"

I'll answer that question only for Buffalo's nine drafted rookies, as I honestly don't have expectations for any of the undrafted free agents, aside from "try to make the team."

C.J. Spiller: I expect at least 200 total touches - at an absolute minimum - as a runner, receiver and return man. GM Buddy Nix also made it very clear that Spiller was brought in to score touchdowns, so less than eight of those would be disappointing to me. Impressive yardage totals would be nice, but Fred Jackson is this team's yardage guy; I'm much more concerned with Spiller getting the ball into that mythical land known as the end zone.

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Torell Troup: I like Kyle Williams just fine, but if George Edwards really wants to run the traditional, two-gap 3-4, Troup is going to have to play a lot. I have no idea how Buffalo will generate pressure off the edge in that alignment, given the state of their OLB group, but teams are going to try to run it in Buffalo to start with, anyway. He doesn't play a glamor position, so stats shouldn't be in the discussion here, but if he plays half of the team's snaps at nose guard, he'll have earned his rookie paycheck.

Alex Carrington: Like most of you here, I like Carrington's long-term potential, but the five-technique position isn't an easy one to learn, and Carrington is making a rather large talent leap. If he's worked his way into the end rotation by the mid-point of the season, and shows consistent improvement from Week 1 to Week 17, I'll be satisfied and encouraged.

Marcus Easley: Like Carrington, Easley is raw, incredibly unproven, and is playing a position at which rookie contributors are rare. If Easley is seeing snaps as a receiver by the end of the year, I'll be happy, but the idea that he'll compete for the No. 2 receiver job is a bit of a stretch to me.

Ed Wang: His job is easy - stay healthy, get stronger in the upper body, and work on those hands and feet. If Wang enters 2011 training camp (assuming that exists, of course) a stronger, more balanced athlete with better technique, he'll be on the right career track.

Arthur Moats: Buffalo is in the midst of re-structuring their special teams a bit, and Moats figures to be a key contributor on most kick and punt coverage units. If he proves competent there, I'm good. Defensively, I'd rather see him get reps on the outside than the ILB spot he's being asked to learn, but that doesn't appear to be in the cards.

Danny Batten: He's in the same boat as Moats; if he proves himself a capable specialist in 2010, he'll have been worth his sixth-round pick as an immediate contributor. If Batten feels like elating yours truly, he'll work his way into the conversation at OLB as a pass-rushing specialist capable of covering a tight end. That would be solid gold in the sixth round.

Levi Brown: If Levi Brown buries himself in the playbook, follows Chan Gailey around like a puppy, and does absolutely everything and anything that George Cortez asks of him, I'll consider his rookie season a success. Continuing to bring the funny on Twitter would be icing on the cake.

Kyle Calloway: Calloway needs to make the team for me to be satisfied; he's a low-upside, blue-collar player, so my expectations are minimal once he does make the roster. A good guy to root for, but he's got a lot to prove moving inside to guard.

The point of this is not just to answer the question, but to start a discussion - so if your expectations differ from mine, we'd certainly love to hear about it in the comments section.

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Reasonable expectations down the list. Let's hope for the best.

Rec’d on this alone:

I’m much more concerned with Spiller getting the ball into that mythical land known as the end zone

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by Schwing9 on Jul 23, 2010 1:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Spiller

His highlight vid gives me goosebumps but he’s also got the production (at least in college) to back it up.

For him, I don’t have statistical expectations because I don’t know how he will be used. But I do expect that he change the way defenses play us (e.g. defenses think twice about double teaming Evans).

Something that keeps echoing in my ears is what Chavez says about Boobie in Friday Night Lights (the movie): “We’re lucky, we got a runner. And he’s gonna make us all look good.”

I don’t have any questions about Spiller himself, just questions about whether Chan will be able to use those abilities to maximize the team’s production.

by dav630 on Jul 23, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sometimes we aim low sometimes we aim high

Its not beyond the realm of possibility that a 6th or 7th round pick makes the team and contribuites right away, Brian for the mopst part I agree with you but a guy like Kyle Calloway who played on a very good college team and contributed heavily to their success , I think he will caryy that with him guys who win in college always seem to carry themselves very well in the pro game, Buddy’s draft this year was something i felt was kinda strange he went with guys that necessarily didnt go to big schools but were the go to guys on the teams they played for thats huge for me when i look at these guys, the fact that we have signed all of our lower round guys means this regimes believes in every player they will draft, and means that these guys know what its like to be the GUY, but as for expectations I am going to expect a little more from these guys I expect at least 4 of the 9 will see significant playing time I wont say which 4 but I will say 4 and if that happens this shoudl be considered a great draft.

by PaullyPforPrez on Jul 23, 2010 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with you on Calloway PaullyP

The guy has the right attitude and size to grow into a contributor, maybe even a starter, at RT or G down the road. A friend who watches Iowa a ton told me before the draft that there were times when Calloway looked like the superior lineman to Bulaga on the field. Not saying that he is, but its worth noting that opinion. It was why I was so jacked up when we got him in the 7th. I would be very content with Cornell Green holding the fort for two or three seasons and then putting Calloway in there.

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by poz on Jul 23, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cornell Green...

Is more likely to eat the fort than hold it. The on thing he holds is DE’s as they run by him. This was a panic signing.

by wab2 on Jul 23, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

he was solid for the Raiders and i guess a really good run blocker

just has had some penalty problems the past few years

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by billsoferie on Jul 24, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Confidence

The point you bring up about some of these guys being the “go to guy” on winning teams is a good one. Obviously most guys in the draft were considered that too, but succeeding at it (aka winning) is critical.

I think we all would agree that we need more guys with confidence and swagger to help eliminate some of those 4th qtr meltdowns. Seemed like the players just resigned to losing as soon as a bump in the road came along.

Also….that has to be one of the longest sentences I’ve read in sometime lol.

by lonestar_ak on Jul 24, 2010 11:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

For Spiller

It’s 700 touches or bust, as I’ve said before.

I don’t expect any of the rookies outside of Spiller and Troup to play a significant role this year. By the end of the season, Carrington should be getting a decent number of snaps, so let’s hope he shows he can handle the rigors of his position. Easley will get some reps here and there, but I really don’t think he’ll give us more than 20 receptions, tops.

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by Kurupt on Jul 23, 2010 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I thot you were joking
It’s 700 touches or bust, as I’ve said before

So he’s a bust already?

by Sixteenthback on Jul 23, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yikes--700 touches!

You must be adding in practice touches for the year or else it equates to 44 touches a game… Or is he going to be the main gog in the Bills Wild Buffalo formation????

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by Goose22 on Jul 23, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe...

K thinks the bills will win the wildcard and go to the superbowl: then we are only at 35 a game? I like the optimism K!

by Buffalo Mo on Jul 23, 2010 4:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

700 touches include pregame warmups

:)

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 24, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

and weekly practice I hope....

The draft dawns a new year for Buffalo Bills fans, so let optimism reign supreme!!! After all, we are now, UNDEFEATED!!!!

by Cinga on Jul 24, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with your stances on our picks in general Brian

I think though that with Moats going to ILB its more of a case of needing a blitzer from that position who can get to the QB than adding another project to the OLB ranks, where we already have many of those. We all know Mitchell can blitz, perhaps not effectively as we would like, and I think Edwards wants Moats to take that role over by end of the 2011 season.

If Calloway makes the actual roster and not the PS, I would be surprised, and most likely would mean we had an injury to the interior line he would fix.

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by WABillsfan on Jul 23, 2010 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

with Moats going to ILB its more of a case of needing a blitzer from that position who can get to the QB than adding another project to the OLB ranks,

interesting theory and something to really consider. When Andra Davis and Kawika Mitchell have given us all they can give – which shouldnt be too long from now as they are both getting up there in age – could Arthur Moats wind up starting next to Poz? ILB duo of a run stopper/coverage and a pass rusher/coverage?

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by poz on Jul 23, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent analysis

I think just about every word that Brian wrote is perfect in this piece, but the one place I would make a slight modification is Danny Batten. Based on the reports coming out of the OTA’s I’m getting the impression that he is already performing well above initial expectations. He is unusually quick, a very fast learner, shows real promise as a pass rusher AND seems to be doing well in pass coverage as a bonus. If all of that continues to be true I would not be surprised if he ends up starting at OLB before the season is over. There is usually one rookie every year that does far better than everyone had assumed, and this year it could be Batten.

by Macktruck on Jul 23, 2010 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

wasnt Lamar Woodley a 5th rounder?

could be mistaken but finding a pass rusher that late would be glorious.

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by poz on Jul 23, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

2nd round, I think.

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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Jul 23, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoops thanks for the correction brother!

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by poz on Jul 24, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good read Byran

I think you nailed this one and your dead on with Troup. This is why he must be on camp right on time, we need him. He has to play half the snaps this for us to have any success.

by eze on Jul 23, 2010 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Props go out to Byran!

Yeah, well, I just wanted to say that Byran’s the man. Oh, and also: FOOTBAAAAALL!

And now for something completely productive: I agree in principle about Troup, but I don’t think that half the snaps is meaningful. Even if he only plays 16.2% of the snaps, but he does well on those, he’s a success.

I’d rather have that moderate success than have him playing half the snaps and getting run over fully half of the time Buffalo’s on D.

by cmeid on Jul 23, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice analysis Brian...

I don’t know why (maybe) but I really believe we struck gold this year in drafting good, solid players built for the long haul. My surprise pick that will make an impact will be Marcus Easley. 50+ receptions. :)

Love those Bills but we're tired of losing......

by coolness1 on Jul 23, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Antonio Coleman.

This is a guy we must not sleep on. I wanted him in round 4 so obviously I was elated to get him undrafted. I think he makes the team and very well be that pass rush specialist. He’s got a long road but there’s one thing he can do and that’s hit the qb. Plus the man is violent on the field.

by eze on Jul 23, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

why did he fall out of the draft?

by dav630 on Jul 23, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he continues to contribute

in the NFL, he would be the perfect example of how, the NFL overuses measurables… Too slow, not big enough, a tweener; etc… But his “game speed”, and ability to rush the passer in college, are undeniable…
Gonna be one of the more interesting of our UFAs to watch this summer…

The draft dawns a new year for Buffalo Bills fans, so let optimism reign supreme!!! After all, we are now, UNDEFEATED!!!!

by Cinga on Jul 24, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good Read

Agree wholeheartedly with expectations. Rec’d for “mythical land know as end zone” as well.:)

by buffalobacker on Jul 23, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Spot on dude.

Spiller: like you said he was brought in to score TD’s. Doesnt matter if its from 99 yards away or 1… TD’s are what matters when it comes to Spiller… and they should come in all fashions. 10+ (5 rushing, 4 receiving, 1 return… the + would be a bonus)

Troup: a good rotation with Williams and learning the NT position in this version of the 3-4. Also if the run defense improves with him out there.

Carrington: Gets more and more snaps as the season goes on. Solid rotational player when Stroud or Edwards needs a breather.

Easley: 20-25 receptions, 300-400 yards and 3-4 TDs would be a pretty good rookie season for a WR on this current team. I dont think he’ll compete for the 2 spot… but he should still find his way to the field.

Wang: like you said, stay healthy and get stronger for next year.

The rest: make the team and contribute.

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by bflo on Jul 23, 2010 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

No. 2 WR

I expect that position to be addressed by committee and just hope that someone stakes a claim on it at some point during the year.

by dav630 on Jul 23, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesnt matter if its from 99 yards away or 1… TD’s are what matters when it comes to Spiller…

^Disagree, if he can break long runs for us, it will open up the field for everyone. No one is really that scared that lynch or Fjax. Running the ball in from the goal line is more about the o-line than the RB really…

by Don Beebe on Jul 23, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well yes, But my point is I dont care about the yardage as much as I care about TD’s.

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by bflo on Jul 23, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh Yea....

For every surprise there is a disappointment —-goes with the of law of physics " that states that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction".

Jimmy McGinty: You know what the difference is between a winner and a loser?

Shane Falco: The score.

by Goose22 on Jul 23, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait!…I didn’t see Gailey’s name on the list. :-)

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by fansince60 on Jul 23, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

and you are applauded for it everyday.

I hope you and your family are well.

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by VanScottM on Jul 23, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of a while

WHERE IS ABAYARDE!?!?!?!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 24, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fine Tuning the Wagon Blaster

The season is getting closer we need everything ready to roll. My only guess.

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by VanScottM on Jul 24, 2010 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

maybe trying to find a harness big enough to fit Godzilla?????

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On a opening drive
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And wins for a change

by Joe P. on Jul 24, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahahahahah

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by poz on Jul 23, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last year, Harvin gained over 2K yards on 117 touches in the same roles that Spiller will be doing.

Even if he doesn’t get touches, just being in the lineup will make the offense less predictable. He’ll make an impact as both a target and a diversion. Get your popcorn ready.

by DeathValleyCarl on Jul 23, 2010 3:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Harvin’s a receiver. Unless Spiller’s averaging 13.2 yards per rush, or catching a LOT of passes, he probably won’t approach 2K.

by Brian Galliford on Jul 24, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is that really that unlikely?

Let’s say 600 yards rushing and 400 receiving. Averaging 25 a return on 40 kick returns puts him at 2000 total yards pretty easily….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 24, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t say it was unlikely, but I think your numbers are a touch optimistic.

by Brian Galliford on Jul 24, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Which part?

Assuming he gets 10-12 carries a game, that’d be 160-192 carries for the year. I’ll bump that down to 150. So if he can average 4 yards per carry, that’s 600 yards right there. Maybe the 400 yards receiving is a little much, but aren’t we expecting Spiller to see slot duty as well as numerous screens and dumpoffs (ha)?? 40 catches seems possible, although 10 yards per might be a tad high. 300-350 yards is realistic. Assuming Spiller is the full-time kick returner, he’ll get PLENTY of opportunities there. Fred Jackson has 1000+ yards on kick returns last year, so it’s not out of the question for Spiller to do that this year.

If Spiller isn’t the full-time KR, then obviously he won’t approach 2000 yards. I think because of that, he should be able to reach that plateau simply because of the number of returns and the amount of touches he’ll get offensively in situations designed to pick up big chunks of yards….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 24, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with that. But I still really have a hard time seeing Spiller doing full time kick return duty. I can see it in a close game,or to ice a game, but I don’t see Gailey letting “his boy” take that kind of a pounding.
Don’t they normally regulate return duties to the fastest & most sure handed of the scrubs? I hardly put not only our 1st round pick, but supposedly the most talented back in the 2010 draft in that category.. What I mean is, wouldn’t T. McGee still be returning kicks if injuries weren’t an issue?

by billskk69 on Jul 24, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

Spiller probably won’t be the feature back, so returning kicks shouldn’t be a injury issue. Why would KR be more prone to injury than say RB? Can’t play scared. Most teams will kick away from Spiller anyways. KR is a Spiller forte, gotta use him in my opinion.

by buffalobacker on Jul 24, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree - With talents like Spiller has, they gotta TRY him in a variety of roles.

While 2,000 yards isn’t necesarily a goal, impact-per-touch is. His roles will probably evolve as the season progresses. The team has other alternatives at RB and KR to allocate in depending on where they like him best. He might be devastating when loose in the secondary (as a slot or slipping out of the backfield)

by DeathValleyCarl on Jul 25, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Picks

I think spiller will catch passes, all game every game.
Moats ran a 4.6 40, if he can play that fast i assume he will be amazeing.
My only other thaught is that easly will be a boom or bust guy, not a bust like a first round pick, but he will catch 40-80 passes within 3 years or he will never amount to much

by Frenobillsfan on Jul 23, 2010 5:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Good info. C.J Spiller will definitely be the home run hitter.

by Guru506 on Jul 23, 2010 5:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Brian, in regards to your analysis of Danny Batten, what do you think are the odds of him becoming this “pure gold” you spoke of?

Good article, makes one realize how much youth we are counting on. It feels like 90% of our starters are 3 year vets or younger!

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by poz on Jul 23, 2010 6:00 PM EDT reply actions  

which is a good thing
It feels like 90% of our starters are 3 year vets or younger!

because what we had on the roster wasn’t going to win us more than 7 games. The fact that many of those players are coming off injuries worries me more than their youth.

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by Joe P. on Jul 23, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

totally agree Joey

It is far better to be terrible and young then terrible and established. At least we can hope for development and improvement, right?

The fact that many of those players are coming off injuries worries me more than their youth.

well said. its a disturbingly long list!

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by poz on Jul 23, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fact that many of those players are coming off injuries worries me more than their youth.

At least they are young then, so they can recover better. Its all we can hope for, plus the S&C coaches keeping them healthy

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by killascript on Jul 24, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

very true

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by poz on Jul 24, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Batten

I think the best we can hope for in the next year or two is a Trevor Scott type surprising impact. Scott, of Oakland, a former 6th rounder, had 5 sacks his rookie year and 7 sacks last year. Yeah, that’d be super awesome and a little too optimistic, but it is possible for 6th rounders to become impactful early on.

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by Kurupt on Jul 24, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d point you to Packers OLB Brad Jones, a seventh-round pick last year, as well.

by Brian Galliford on Jul 24, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

interesting

that would be much more than we could get out of Kelsay! But i dont have to tell you that do i k!

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by poz on Jul 24, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not great. Like most of the players on this list, he’s making a huge leap in talent. My expectations are low.

by Brian Galliford on Jul 24, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

ugh

where is our pass rush going to come from!!!??!! I guess pray on Maybin taking great strides huh?

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by poz on Jul 24, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Simple

We just aren’t going to have a pass rush this year. Sure, we’ll pick up a few sacks here and there, but there will not be consistent pressure or will they strike any fear in the opposing QB unless somehow Maybin becomes a superstar…..

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 25, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, at this point we just need to hope that Buffalo sneaks up into the mid-high 20s in sacks and not be that random team that ends up with 14 sacks like Jacksonville last year.

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by kaisertown on Jul 25, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

we’ve been in this territory before and recently havent we?

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by poz on Jul 25, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

It wasn't this bad....

At least we knew Schobel was good for at least 6-8 a year, as a baseline.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 25, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the list and agree for the most part on your expectations...

they are reasonable and well-thought out. I am in the Batten for the starting OLB spot opposite Maybin camp, we are so young that we need to just let these guys play. I like Calloway, a lot more than you do apparently, if Kirk Chambers is our back O-lineman, we are in huge trouble. He is one of those well-established horrible players we tend to keep around like Kelsay and McIntyre. I truly believe that Calloway can learn to play the G position, he probably makes the PS to start the season, but an injury will bring him up for good. And last but not least, A. Coleman, how could you not put last years SEC leading sack artist on the list. I expect him to make the team, I also expect him and Moats to destroy heads on STs.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 23, 2010 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I think 8 TDs for Spiller might be a little high. Chris Johnson had 10 TDs his rookie year, but 5 of them came inside the 10 yard line. Is Spiller going to get touches there? If he scores four or five times on big plays and doesn’t touch the ball much down inside the 10, then he’s done his job and done it well. If the Bills had the rookie version of Chris Johnson on this team, would he have scored 8 times?

I don’t buy that Easley will do much this year either. I’d go under if the over/under for catches was a measly 10. If Johnson and Hardy are just OK this year and Easley is poised to win that job heading into 2011, then I think he’d be ahead of the curve of your typical bigger WR taken in the middle rounds. It’s extremely rare for WRs with Easley’s size, taken after the first couple rounds, to make a significant contribution as a rookie.

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by kaisertown on Jul 23, 2010 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Tenn. also had White for short yardage

but it is most likely correct to think that he will not get too many touches that close,

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by billsoferie on Jul 24, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

where does Easley fit this year kaiser? If its Lee, Hardy and then Stevie/Roscoe vying for slot duties where does that leave our rookie for 2010?

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by poz on Jul 24, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Easley fits as a special teamer and backup. I believe he can compete with Hardy and Jackson for the backup job at both WR spots. Rookies with the size and draft status of Easley need time to adjust. Especially when you consider it took him five years of college ball just to find the field on offense. I’m not sure how people can expect somebody who couldn’t win a job as a 4th year junior at UCONN to come onto an NFL roster and win a spot right away. Has he really improved that much in the last year and a half?

My guess is Johnson starting opposite Evans with Spiller and Roscoe sharing time in the slot. I also think Gailey is going to get creative with formations and run a lot of two back and two TE sets and we’ll use a slot WR less than most other teams. Just a gut feeling based on the hope that Gailey puts the best players on the field.

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by kaisertown on Jul 25, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

interesting

you dont have much faith in Hardy do you?

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by poz on Jul 25, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Should anybody?

He’s never looked athletic enough to be a consistent performer, able to beat man coverage and show good route running ability. Hopefully, a strong preseason can help him, but I know I have more faith in Steve Johnson right now.

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by Kurupt on Jul 25, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

200 touches for Spiller, that equals 12.5 a game. Honestly I think that would beat my expectations, I’m looking around 10 touches a game. It’s likely he won’t return kicks as we have McKelvin and Parrish who are world beaters at that position.

Half the snaps at nose for Troup would be dandy, I’m not counting on it but I think it would mean we got ourselves a good one. As for Carrington, if he hasn’t entered the rotation by Week 8 it might be a bad sign. After the starters of Stroud and Edwards, we have McCargo and S. Johnson. Surely Carrington can steal some reps from one of those guys by Week 8.

Easley’s a complete question mark, he could end up as high as 2 and as low as 5. As long as he beats out Chad Jackson I’d consider him a successful 4th round pick. Everyone else will be doing well just to make the special teams or not get cut (L. Brown).

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by Dyl on Jul 23, 2010 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

First three or four picks must play

80+ % of nfl players are 1 to 3 rounders. Those guys must play as rookies otherwise you are doomed to mediocrity. Troup , spiller, carrington and easily need to be on the field this year so we have a chance to compete next year. One of the main reasons we stink for the last decade is because we never get are first three draft picks on the field. Brian a great article topic would compare the last five years top three draft picks on games played along with their record. If u blow those picks you don’t p,ay in January.

by wab2 on Jul 23, 2010 10:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Being serious now....

I think Spiller does eclipse 200 touches (with 700 obviously being a joke!!!). I still think he sees roughly 10-12 carries a game, 3-5 receptions, and should see maybe 40-50 total kick/punt returns for the season. That would amount to close to 300 total touches. That might be a little generous, but I think 250 is very, very, very possible. Remember, they didn’t draft Spiller to give him 7 touches a game. He’s a guy that can contribute all over the field right away, so even if he hasn’t fully mastered the offense, he can still take 5-7 handoffs, catch some passes and return 4-6 punts/kicks a game. I will be shocked if, barring injury, Spiller doesn’t easily eclipse 200 total touches.

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by Kurupt on Jul 24, 2010 12:47 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Touches...

200-250 sounds reasonable, he’ll probably get 50-80 touches just returning kick-offs and punts!

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by Goose22 on Jul 24, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec’d. “They didn’t draft him at nine to ride the bench” has to be the argument.

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by MattRichWarren on Jul 24, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

8 TD for Spiller?

Kaiser and others have made a good point here. If Chris Johnson was on the 2009 Bills, would he have had as many TDs? Granted, Bills fans are expecting a lot more out of Chan Gailey’s offense than Dick Jauron’s, but 8 TDs sounds like a successful rookie season for Spiller if he was on, I dunno, the Colts. The guy works well in space, but chances are the guy isn’t going to reach full-fledged Barry Sanders status right away. These Bills can give him enough chances for 5-6 TDs, I say.

I still think (and I may eat these words as Spiller gets chances this year) that McKelvin would be better on kick returns, and corner isn’t as thin as running back on our team.

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by Dyl on Jul 24, 2010 3:04 AM EDT reply actions  

McKelvin is a top returner, so is Roscoe despite his struggles last year. If Spiller sees the field as a returner it will be an encouraging sign that hes every bit the playmaker we had hoped.

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by poz on Jul 24, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

as good as McKelvin was as a returner in college

Spiller might be one of the best all time. Plus, McKelvin not returning will mean he is better on defense…

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by killascript on Jul 25, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

and not fumbling….

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by poz on Jul 25, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

How so?
Plus, McKelvin not returning will mean he is better on defense…

Why would that be???

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by Kurupt on Jul 25, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a great way to look at it, Poz.

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by Dyl on Jul 25, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, especially if Spiller is down at the 200 touch amount. Even during Johnson’s absurd season a year ago, if you take out his four one yard TD runs, Johnson averaged a touchdown per 25.5 touches. 8 TDs over 200 touches is one per 25. It’s way too high unless Spiller really is Chris Johnson part two or unless Spiller is going to be regularly utilized inside the red zone while Lynch takes on your typical 3rd RB who never sees the field role.

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by kaisertown on Jul 25, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, although with the guy’s potential it looks like he very well could be close to something like Chris Johnson part two.
The way I see Lynch at the 3rd RB is this, if Fred or Spiller are injured, we hardly miss a beat. If they don’t get injured, well then it’s Marshawn riding the bench all year. Reaping what he sewed off the field.

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by Dyl on Jul 25, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome work on Levi Brown.

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