Aaron Schobel says he's leaning more toward coming back then he was a month ago. Hear from the Bills Veteran on Eyewitness News at 6pm.
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So, he is doing his best Farve impression??????
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Please come back brother. We need our best defensive pass rusher this year.
He’s got a lot of kids to teach and mentor.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jul 27, 2010 4:03 PM EDT reply actions
More Russo, more Twitter:
To clarify – Schobel says he’s leaning more toward coming back now, then he was a month ago. Has not made a decision.
by Brian Galliford on Jul 27, 2010 4:09 PM EDT reply actions
Coming back to the NFL, not specifically the Bills? I know he’s under contract, but the me in me has to wonder if he’s trying to work the trade route.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 27, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya I don’t even know what to say about it.. Its like ur not that good to where u can just say when and where ur gonna play. Yes he’s good. But ur under contract either retire or don’t. If he’s not in training camp within the first couple days then screw him. I’d rather let maybin olay and develop into what he was drafted so high for. Am I right or qrong in think that?
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by OC-BILLS-FAN on Jul 27, 2010 4:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
My thinking is that Schobel and Maybin on the field at the same time rushing that passer, that’s mucher better than Kelsay, Batten or Torber together. Truth is Maybin will most likely be situational no matter what while Schobs can be an every down OLB
no, he can’t. he’s not a coverage player, ever, at all.
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he has 2 int returns for TD. one was in coverage-ish
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
He has one INT TD
And it was the play he made in the Pats opener last year. There was no coverage involved. He simply stopped after reading the screen and made a great leaping grab on the Brady pass.
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Accurate. That was probably the sweetest play of his career.
by Brian Galliford on Jul 28, 2010 6:13 AM EDT up reply actions
coverage ish- was all i said
and i thought he had one a couple years ago right near the end zone where he grabbed it right out of the air and took it to the house did he just not score on that one? does he have only one INT?
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by Ren Diggity on Jul 28, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
ok so only one TD from an INT
but 3 INT for a DE isn’t terrible. Though i am still in the group that feels, no he cannot play in coverage. And that’s only one less than Donte has for his career as well. Not wonder we love Byrd so much. that’s so sad really. I hope to see Donte a little less active in the run and helping our corners out some more. I hope our front 7 is much improved.
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by Ren Diggity on Jul 28, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont think Schobs can cover...
hes not a 3 down LB, Maybin has the athleticism to pull it off, he needs to get comfortable though.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 27, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Does it matter?
Schobel would be playing weak side/rush linebacker. I think he absolutely is a three down player in that position as he would rarely be dropping back. 95% of plays he is controlling his run-gap assignment or getting after the qb.
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Thats a good point...
I was referring to the term “every down OLB”
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 27, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
For the record...
I called this. I said a few weeks ago he’s taking a page straight out of the Michael Strahan playbook. Veterns hate training camp. Expect to see him lining up at OLB rushing the passer by the 3rd week in August just in time to get a tune-up pre-season game under his belt against Cincy on 8/28. I’m surprised people really thought he would retire. Nothing official yet, but he obvioulsy cracked the door open.
seems to be a move that is getting more and more common.
though i remember reading on the board here someone who’s wife/girlfriend taught at a school where his kids went to school and they were all teary on the last day saying good bye and we’ll miss you, etc…
if he’s back, GREAT.
Ha – that was me that wrote about the daycare. I wrote he was retiring and people said it was made up and BS. Then the story broke a few weeks later….
His wife called a few weeks ago and signed the kids up part time for the fall. There is a fee just to enroll and it isn’t cheap. For most families I would say that means 100% that the kids were coming once it was paid. However, the Schobel’s are in a different tax bracket – that fee is peanuts to them. Could just be getting things lined up incase….
well, maybe you just broke another story… i’m hoping!
by oompaloompa on Jul 28, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he seriously needs a bit more than “a few minutes” (my words) at OLB, prior to week 1. It’s pretty different, as I understand it, and as Aaron Kampman has illustrated.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 27, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Why can’t the guy just hurry up and make up his mind? Does he think the entire world revolves around him?
He said to tune into ESPN on Thursday night...
He will his “decision” then…
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 27, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
LeSchobel watch 2010.
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Does he think the entire world revolves around him?
Thats Schobel for ya. One of the leagues top pass rushers for a decade, never been to the playoffs, never complained about how bad the talent around him was, never ripped on the fans, the coaches, his teammates, the city, never demanded a trade, and came to play 110% every game.
The guys is aging sledgecammer, he sees another terrible rebuild process and he has a family that lives miles and miles and miles away. He has earned the right to take his time. Its not like there are players hinging on his decision. What young talent is he going to prevent from developing by showing up? What great player will he send to the bench? He’s never opened his mouth about this decision the way Favre does with his every year. He tells us hes thinking about retiring and then stays quiet.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
Schobel
This guy is not going to just toss 7-8 Million away. He will earn 8 Million for working August through December which is five months…the extreme unlikely possibility the Bills play into January leaves the max time away from his family at 6 months. 5 months of work for that kind of money is too good to pass up. While I have no doubt he’d prefer to play for a winner and be closer to home he would have to be incredibly stupid to retire. He is just getting paid too much. He is not a guy who has previously had huge endorsement deals that where he can justify turning that cash down.
This is just like Strahan a couple years back. If the Bills don’t trade him he will miss as much time as he can.
oh man....
just retire already.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 27, 2010 5:11 PM EDT reply actions
why? I’d love to see Schobel play one more year, especially after his recent season. The guy knows how to take care of his body and has been to more training camps than half the starting offense combined. Its not like hes holding us hostage. I’d love to have him but I’ve already moved on. If he shows up, great!
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
He's not holding us hostage
But one Mr Maybin is one that is the hostage…………Its time to move on…….get younger/faster (mostly younger)
Schobel doesnt really bring anything to the team IMO…..he takes more away….We need to find out for sure what we have in Maybin. (Which if you ask me, isnt much, but still)
Schobel blocks Maybin…….and until we find out whether the kid is good or not……he’s just taking up money and space.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 27, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
how
if anything he blocks Kelsay.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
which is a good thing :)
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
Kelsay is gonna play the strong side LB (non pass rush)
Schobel/Maybin will be weak side (Pass rush OLB)
So again……Schobel would be blocking Maybin.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 27, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont think its that clear cut
I would hope that George Edwards would condition Schobel to play the strong side, its not like hes weak against the run or worse than Kelsay in coverage, in fact I think hed be better in coverage
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i am quick to agree w you usually poz
but fact is, he will directly impact our return on Maybin. we need to know what we got w him, and i think schobel hinders that. I hope he is working towards a trade angle further, or instead, or however… if we can get a player (OL) or second/third round pick…
On the trade note, i almost wonder if looking at Pitts is due to analyzing the Texans’ roster for guys we could benefit from picking up if we traded Schobel… and seeing something in him we liked. Or it could just be slim picking and we are looking at whatever.
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i hear ya Ren
but I have to think that even if Schobel gets snaps over Maybin, which I dont think he will, but even if he does couldn’t Maybin – who has one pass rushing move – learn a lot from a guy who was a dominant pass rusher without stunning athleticism? Imagine Maybin with a move or two from Schobel’s repertoire?
Schobel would also be dominant on the Texans. What could we use from them though?
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
ok... but I feel like the veteran getting paid like 10mil
will get the reps over the young guy getting paid 10mil, if all other things are equal. that said, Maybin should be able to win the starting job, making Schobel overpaid depth.
as far as
learn a lot from a guy who was a dominant pass rusher without stunning athleticism?
and
move or two from Schobel’s repertoire
Maybin does have stunning athleticism, and may not be able to rely on Schobel’s techniques and strengths…. in addition, all of those things Schobel has done to this point, he has done with a hand on the ground.
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Im not exactly sure that Schobel would fit well on the Strong side.......
he’s kinda undersized/
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 27, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Schobel is 6-4 ~248, he has prototypical size for a 3-4 olb. Furthermore, he held up and excelled at end in a 4-3, which, IMO, more than proves he has the requisite strength to play stong side olb in a 3-4.
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I dont know if I agree with the assessment that because he played well as a 4-3 End that means he's suited to be a SLB in a 3-4
Rush LB sure………..
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 27, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree with you norcal, being a good end doesn’t make him a good 3-4 olb, but both positions deal with TEs and Tackles on run plays. I was just trying to point out that he is strong enough to man the strong side of a 3-4.
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Just doing a quick look at the other 3-4 D's in the league...
most if not all their Strong Side Backers are in the 260 LB plus range……
Schobel might be 245 on a GOOD day (retaining water and such)
I just dont see it personally. (Him being strong enough)
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 27, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
fair enough, i just looked at Shaun Phillips and he’s 6-3 262. So i stand corrected in that schobel doesn’t have prototypical size for that spot, but i still think he could hold up. Regardless, if he returns I expect he’ll be on the weak side anyway.
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I agree....
which is why I said Schobel coming back would be more a hinderance to Maybin’s development.
However Brian doesnt believe that to be so…..and I know he’s got more on the pulse of the team than I do.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 27, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely more on it than all of us.
To an extent, I agree with you. Schobel’s presence would slow Maybin’s development, but at the same time, may save his confidence and give the kid time to ease into this role. Maybin’s what, 22? He has time to contribute and develop. My concern is him coming in now and cracking under the pressure of being the most important player on our defense. I’d be happy with him easing into the role over the course of the season.
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He doesnt have to be the "Man" on defense....
really (and I could be wrong on this) his main job will be to just rush the passer, generate pressure and get sacks.
Hopefully the Coaching staff doesnt ask for more than that, and can find ways for him to be successful and give the confidence.
Anything on top of that is just gravy….
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 27, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
which is why I said Schobel coming back would be more a hinderance to Maybin’s development.
However Brian doesnt believe that to be so…..and I know he’s got more on the pulse of the team than I do.
I would disagree – it makes complete sense for Schobel to come back and aid Maybin.
both are playing a position they never played, so it’s nice to have someone who has been in the league a long time make the transition with a young guy like Maybin so he’s not swimming with too much information. A guy like Schobel will know to take things one a at a time and know how to deal with the information that is coming his way – maybin would benefit from that.
Also, this takes a lot of pressure off of Maybin – now there are 2 guys that can play in that spot which means Maybin won’t have the pressure to know everything and be swimming with information.
I fail to see how Schobel coming back negatively impacts Maybin – sure Maybin may not have as much playing time but having a vet make the transition with him will probably do wonders for not only Maybin, but for the Bills because he hopefully will be making less mistakes
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by J2 on Jul 28, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
as trashplate
noted, Schobel actually has pretty good size for a strong side 3-4 backer. He might have to learn to read and react to plays differently with more tasks than pass rushing but I dont see size as a major deterrent.
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Lamar Woodley is 20 lbs heavier than Schobel....who playes the strong side.
I would think Schobel is more like Harrison who is 6-0 242 ( a bit closer to schobels size.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 27, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybin doesn’t have much room to complain here. He’s only ‘held hostage’ because he hasn’t proved that he can outplay an aging Schobel. However, with Schobel not there, he is getting all the coaching attention, all the first team reps, etc. If Schobel does come back he will be behind the ball in terms of the new scheme. All of this works out in Maybin’s favor.
i think we’re missing something here. yes, he’s one of the best pass rushers, ever, on our team. but his skills were when he was coming from having a hand on the ground. there’s a BIG difference between rush LB and 4-3 DE.
think about it. do you really want schobel dropping back into coverage? i don’t. he’s a situational player, and i don’t want the dramarama that’ll come from it.
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No drama with Schobel
ordinarily, i would agree. but i wouldn’t expect much drama if he shows up at SJF this week. What did he miss? OTAs? He’s a vet and a leader in the locker room, and he’s under contract, so no drama of signing any deal or anything.
Did we ever want him in coverage? I don’t think he’ll be asked to cover TE’s very much if that’s your concern and he’s a good pass rusher with a good motor. He arguably never should have been a 4-3 end because of his size and he obviously competed and had pretty good success.
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Drama......I doubt that would be a big problem
IMO, the biggest negative in Schobel playing is that the younger guys will see less reps. Unless you think we are going to contend this year, I would rather see the young guys get more reps.
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thats why I want him to just retire…….all he’s doing is stopping the team from moving forward if he comes back.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 27, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I think if the rooks can’t beat him out in a position he hasn’t been playing his entire career, then he deserves to play and they don’t.
Non-issue for me.
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While I understand your reasoning for wanting to get the new guys reps, Schobel can still teach them a few things. Being a veteran and leader in the NFL isn’t something everyone has the ability to do. Schobel is a class act guy, with him being in the locker room intangible benefits will be bestowed upon the young guys.
by IronEagle119 on Jul 27, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Veteran Leadership
I want him back to help the younger guys…
Just him there will help the young guys learn pass-rushing moves, learn how to prepare and how to learn a new position or new techniques from coaches. This will probably be by watching him because I doubt Schobel will take the time out to talk to these guys individually, just not his style. But his presence will be helpful regardless.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 27, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
if he wanted to help the younger guys......
he would have been here already to do so.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 27, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
for what? OTAs?
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
exactly......
If he was really wanting to help out the younger guys he would be around them as much as possible (OTA’s for a start – then TC, etc, etc etc)
I dont really believe Schobel cares about helping out the younger guys all that much.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 27, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, the younger guys got all the reps with him not there, so it’s not like if he does return that his skipping the OTAs was bad for the youngins. Quite the contrary.
my whole point is if he was going to "mentor" the young guys.....
he should have started then…..getting more time with them.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 27, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re right about this in terms of if he really wants to be a mentor, but he would still be a valuable mentor if he does show up, from that point on. It’s not like that would be his primary role, he still has gas in the tank and would be around primarily to contribute. I’m just sayin he’s not hurting the young guys by doing this. The’re getting more time to learn and will be the most prepared if he does come back.
cant agree with you more. If he comes back, then Im going have to accept it… but I would much rather have him not on this team come September.
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to paraphase Buddy Nix: Stack body on top of body at every position and let the best players play. To me, that suggests he’ll give Schobel as much leeway as he can.
Schobel cannot sit out throughout camp and come into a new system and thrive, so that’s definitely outside of what I’m talking about. He either comes into camp in a reasonable amount of time to absorb the new terminology and techniques these guys are teaching, or he missed the season.
… or, more remotely, he is traded to another 4-3 team and at least the Bills get something in return.
win-win.
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Agree Joe P
As much as I liked him as a player, if we’re rebuilding, let’s give the young guys the reps. I think it’s a general consensus that all we can hope for this year is marked improvement over last year, which to me means more disciplined football.
Anyone care to speculate how many more wins would result from Schobel being on the roster?
Just askin!
I would much rather have Schobel dropping back
rather than Kelsay…plus, they cost about the same I think.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 27, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
thank you NorCal!
Everyone is talking like Schobel showing up is sending some young stud to the bench. If Schobel isnt in there Chris Kelsay is. Just think about that for a moment everyone. Danny Batten is not starting regardless.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
Uh......
Schobel will start in front of Maybin…………
Kelsay isnt taking Maybin’s spot.
It would be Schobel/Kelsay on the Outside………instead of Maybin/Kelsay.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 27, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
That doesn’t tell the whole story, but it does highlight the fact that both Schobel and Maybin would be at their best on the weak side of this new defense.
by Brian Galliford on Jul 27, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
well I dont want to pretend to know more about it than you do Brian.....
I was just under the assumption that this would be the case.
But I’ve been wrong before :-)
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 27, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re not wrong, per se. I just don’t think Schobel would “block” Maybin from seeing significant playing time.
by Brian Galliford on Jul 27, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
okay so there's a possibility that they would have Schobel and Maybin both on the field at the same time.....
or they would just be alternating alot?
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 27, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok.
Well again this could all be a moot point if he doesnt come back.
However should Schobel come back it will certainly be interesting to see how they break it up.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 27, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
how not?
if he is starting ahead of him, he would impact the number of potential reps. unless we are only using him on passing downs AGAIN, and further wasting his selection status and what we are paying for.
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That’d be why I said “significant playing time.”
by Brian Galliford on Jul 27, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
because Maybin won't be seeing significant time anyway?
is that the logic? so having schobel ahead of him doesn’t matter because Maybin won’t be starting if Schobel isn’t here? Sorry, i am trying to follow. don’t get how you meant, so i asked for clarity.
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well, clarification more than clarity i guess
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
I mean that Maybin’s going to play A LOT whether Schobel plays or not. “Start” really doesn’t mean an awful lot to me, because modern NFL defenses rotate so heavily at all levels of the field.
by Brian Galliford on Jul 27, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
well, you did say
tha
t both Schobel and Maybin would be at their best on the weak side of this new defense
and so i took that as one is getting the nod over the other, and i thought you were in the schobel camp. i sure hope we see what Maybin is capable of, and if needed, and schobel is here, he should be out there in rotation w maybin as well… because i realize we will shift, and have seperate packages, but majority of OLB snaps go to a starter still. you aren’t taking Ware off the field, are ya?
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
whoops. haha
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~Bruce Coslet
We don’t have a Ware, though. Schobel will need some rest, and could even play with a hand down – Maybin standing – in obvious passing situations. We’re not pigeon-holed into the 3-4, remember, so George Edwards could figure out a ton of ways to use them both at the same time. You can never have enough pass-rushing talent on the field.
by Brian Galliford on Jul 27, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Brian,
could you chime in on the Schobel as a Strong Side guy possibility?
I just dont see it……..do you?
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 27, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
He’d be excellent on the strong side on passing downs, because he’s rather good defending the run, and strong enough to get you by in a pinch. But on the majority of what you might call “routine” snaps, he’s a much better fit on the weak side. Let’s not forget that this man’s forte is rushing the passer; he’d do less of it on the strong side.
by Brian Galliford on Jul 27, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
see, that is where i maybe disagree
imagine facing a singleback two te set with schobel and maybin as your OLB. if one is rushing, one is likely covering, or else you are hoping your MLB to be quick enough to cover a TE man to man. Maybe Poz can do this, but i think it is unlikely Davis is covering TE or RB in space unless absolutely necessary. perhaps he aids in the rush. moral is, if i see schobel and maybin on the field i want RB in space or TE on the move. God forbid they shift a RB out in the slot, because then we are done.
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by Ren Diggity on Jul 28, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
depending on the defense in place….
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by J2 on Jul 29, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
not really. we have been talking 3-4
and the discussion is when we have both players on the field, which is kind of indicative of 4 LB on the field.
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by Ren Diggity on Jul 29, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm still throwing it right at these guys
whatever the variation. if they are out there simultaneous, one of them can’t cover the guy they need to.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
there's some optimism ;)
could figure out a ton of ways to use them both at the same time.
won’t say i agree necessarily, as it still comes down to Xs and Os, and giving the opponent mismatches by putting the two of them into coverage or mixing blitzes on either side and whatever you can try, can be predictable, and in a way holds us back as much as it can help. saying you had maybing and schobel on opposite sides, one is gonna have to cover someone more than likely. i would eat that up all day.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
haha maybing. i do that all the time. i always have to fix it. missed it that time.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
I dont think it would be
maybe im mistaken, but if Schobel shows up Im under the impression its Schobel/Maybin
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Two pass rush LB?
gonna be awfully weak against the run if thats the case.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 27, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
just because Schobel
can pass rush doesnt mean he has to, right? Its not like Kelsay is a stud in coverage and run defense. By the way I think its hysterical we’re having a discussion in two different places in this thread haha
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Good discussion
this is a tough question to answer, assuming Schobel returns. As a fan of the bills and Kurupt’s longstanding signature, I cringe at the thought of Kelsay having a starting role again, particularly as an olb where his lack of athleticism will be incredibly salient. That said, Brian is spot on in saying that the weak side best suits Maybin and Schobel. Maybin’s weakness against the run keeps him off the strong side in my opinion, even though i’m sure he’d be better in coverage than both Schobel and kelsay. Torbor has been largely left out of this thread. I personally see him as more of the strong side olb as he has the most experience in coverage and i’ll assume his run support is adequate. If Schobel is back, i’d predict Schobel weak side for the vast majority of the time with Torbor on the strong side, supplemented by Maybin when appropriate. I’m betting Kelsay is less a part of the starting picture than we think.
Enjoying my annual three months of optimism.
ha, and yeah this multilocational discussion is killing me as I try to follow it from my tiny, work-sized browsing window.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 27, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
hahhahahahahahaahahahaha
im getting dizzy!
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
in regards to Schobels size
I think he has proven he has the ability to hold up against bigger lineman so im not sure his size will hurt him on the strong side of the 3-4. Torbor is an interesting piece to discuss. If its up to me, Im playing Torbor more than Kelsay.
If im predicting I’d say if Schobel returns we are seeing a heavy dose of Maybin/Schobel as we try to reduce the impact of having Kelsay on the field. If I’m an offense I’m dinking and dunking to a fast RB or WR five yards every time to Kelsay’s side and daring him to catch anyone. In long downs I’m considering Maybin/Mitchell or Schobel/Mitchell with Torbor mixed in.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
Is there any way he holds out so long, the bills cut him when he wants to come back? Due to them feeling he would be worthless in the new system from missing so much time?
Is the transition really that simple?
by Buffalo Mo on Jul 27, 2010 5:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
If the Bills cut him, he would be gone...
to another team, one that is contending.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 27, 2010 5:49 PM EDT reply actions
Which is what I thought he wanted. So, in turn, would it benefit him to keep sitting at home until week one, then report.
by Buffalo Mo on Jul 27, 2010 6:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Brian, are you going to be revising your 10 most important players list if he returns?
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Just replace Maybin’s name for Schobel on the list if he does. I still doubt he does.
by Brian Galliford on Jul 27, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
you feel trade angle as well?
like “if i don’t retire, i can play somewhere else maybe….” type of thing?
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
Not at all. He’s explicitly said he’d prefer to play for Buffalo.
by Brian Galliford on Jul 27, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
so why do you doubt he returns? and why bother telling anyone if he is having second thoughts on retirement if he isn't. what is the purpose?
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
I doubt it because I’m a fan that chooses to take the pessimistic side to these types of situations. It leads to more surprises and all but eliminates disappointment. It’s a mental crutch, if you will.
by Brian Galliford on Jul 27, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
pessimistic or realistic...
with the Bills, one has to wonder sometimes. I prefer to look at the Idealistic, in the hopes we can at least look towards what could be, before we succomb to the reality of what is.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
Kinda like going into the season in general then.......
take the pessimistic side to these types of situations. It leads to more surprises and all but eliminates disappointment. It’s a mental crutch, if you will.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 27, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
So is he going to pull a Favre/Strahan on us and only show up two days before the season starts?
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by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 27, 2010 6:03 PM EDT reply actions
not in his best interest to do that
Even if he seeks a trade, he should be straight up about that now. The Bills can put him on the did not report list throughout cut-downs, so he has no leverage based on the Bills needing a player in camp.
Any other team would devalue him after they open their camp. His trade value is optimal NOW, if that’s what he wants.
Holding out is not in his best interests.
Thou isth now selling thy KoolAid...
Disagree, respectfully of course
I have to think he just doesn’t want to go to camp. Looking at the Bills other OLB options, he has to know there would be no way he would be turned away if he shows up a few days after camp ends. I just think he’s shrewd.
I would agree if he were coming back into a system he knows well. He has to understand by now that there’s a lot of terminology and technique that he has to get familiar with to even play.
If he isn’t in camp, he can’t play this season… for the Bills. He COULD play for another team running a 4-3, but he won’t be of intrerest to anyone if he missed their camp and their terminology and technique.
Same scheme does not mean same system entirely. He’s been around long enough to know what he needs to do.
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LOL. CBF, even though I’m not a Hendrix fan, love your sig.
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by thefourwinds on Jul 27, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Aaron realized....
That big checks won’t be deposited in his bank account soon. When push comes to shove, it is hard to pass up the big checks he’ll be getting.
Did anyone hear Kelsay on BB.com (Camp Move-in Day), speaking about Schobel: “When he makes up his mind 100%, he’ll let everyone know, and he’ll be here.”
Translation: “When he decides he’s had enough lounging around, he’ll show up.”
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