Raiders' McClain Signing Should Speed Up Spiller Negotiations
Late last night, the Oakland Raiders announced that the team had agreed to terms with their first-round pick, linebacker Rolando McClain. Selected No. 8 overall in April's NFL Draft, McClain was selected just one spot ahead of Buffalo Bills running back C.J. Spiller.
Adam Schefter reports that McClain's deal is for five years, $40 million, and includes $23 million in guarantees. That's in comparison to last year's No. 8 pick, Eugene Monroe, who signed for five years, $35.4 million, with $19 million guaranteed. That's a pretty massive increase in salary and guaranteed money from year to year, and Spiller's increases could be similar over B.J. Raji's five-year, $28.5 million, $18.5 million guaranteed deal.
Yesterday, Bills GM Buddy Nix informed assembled media at St. John Fisher College that the Bills had been talking with Spiller's agent, Gary Wichard, and that "things were moving."
"We're still working on it," Nix said. "Things are moving, but no guarantees. Nothing really at this time. When you're talking, things are starting to work, and other first rounders are starting to fall, so that'll help us."
The next two deals to fall that would help the Spiller negotiations - should he continue to wait for the slotting process to fully develop - are Jaguars DT Tyson Alualu (No. 10 overall) and Chargers RB Ryan Mathews (No. 12).
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I only have one question...
Why can’t we get the great kid?
Dez signed without having any comparables
Rolando then signed without any relative comparables
So why are we always stuck with the bums who think this is a business and try to extract every last single drop?
The worst in all of this is that Dez was considered a risk because of character issues, being the first first rounder to sign was surprising to me and tells me that maybe some of those “experts” were wrong about the kid.
I guess being drafted by Buffalo is like being punished for these guys and they figure they might as well get the most that they can? Still it is very frustrating.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
I don’t buy that at all.
If a player wants something and instructs his agent accordingly then it gets done. The agent works for the player not the other way around. The players choose their agents, so they have the option of choosing a low life or choosing a decent agent that will work towards fulfilling his clients wishes.
Ultimately it’s the player who decides.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
I think it’ll happen faster now with McClain being signed. I don’t get the feeling that Spiller is like Maybin, I could be wrong and I hope so, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it gets done quick
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on Jul 29, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
i don’t buy that at all. If you hire a financial manager, its because you want an expert to get the maximum return on your investment. You don’t hire a guy to get you a “decent” return.
I’d go as far to say that the rookies know very little about the contract process and mostly want to be payed fairly for the position they were drafted, except in the case of snobs like crabtree who thought they were a #1 pick and should be paid as so.
Its up to spiller to say he wants #9. Its up to the agent to work out the number of years, the incentives, and the amount of guaranteed money. I’d estimate agents hold 90% of the power in these negotiations; that’s why the players hire them.
by quantumuprising on Jul 29, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’d go as far to say that the rookies know very little about the contract process
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We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on Jul 29, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
If they did
It’s pretty set in stone (even though “unwritten”) what a given 1st rounder will make from year to year. Even with no one signed, Dez Bryants deal appeared to be in line with the average yearly increase that’s happened every year in the past. Spiller will make exactly what the 11th pick should make, nothing more, nothing less. Maybe 4 instead of 5 years, maybe 1-2 million more on the guaranteed, but all of these picks have pretty much a pre-determined salary window. That’s why starting with rookie mini camps, they know exactly what to give even 7th rounders! Holdouts make absolutely no sense, except whe you have someone nuts like Crabtree who feels they count as a higher pick.
by syrbillsfan on Jul 29, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
plus
the agents are negotiating their money as well
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by killascript on Jul 29, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
The player IS THE CLIENT and he can put his foot down and instruct his agent accordingly. If the player really, truly is a stand-up kind of guy, he will chose his agent accordingly.
Classic case of… Tell me who your friends are and I’ll tell you who you are!
Players who hide behind their agents are just hypocrites!
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
I'm not sure that you are grasping my point here
I agree that the reason why they hire agents is because they need the expert advice. What I am saying is that they ultimately can instruct to their agent to get the deal done quickly. The amount of money that they stand to lose by getting it done quickly is marginal in the great scheme of things. They come off as heroes and great team players and if they are great players they get the big deal with their extension anyways.
How do you explain that some guys get their deal done quick? Are you implying that Bryant & McClain have bad agents? Again, I think that in the great scheme of things the difference is quite marginal.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
The amount of money that they stand to lose by getting it done quickly is marginal in the great scheme of things.
these are pro athletes. Since when has any single pro athlete given you the impression that money is marginal?
Furthermore, rookies and their agents KNOW the importance of the most guaranteed money possible. For a lot of these guys, the potential that they will never get a second contract is huge, whether it be bust or injury, etc. Especially with the potential for CBA changes, these guys, no matter how “good” they are, are going to get everything they can.
by quantumuprising on Jul 29, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d be willing to be a good deal of his signing had to do with building up his image. I could envision his agent instructing him to play nice at the start. Or maybe he made that decision hiw own, but did so because he knows his character is in question.
Spiller hasn’t exactly reached greed territory. Sure, it’d be nice if we all were able to negotiate our salaries before setting foot on the floor, especially right out of college. However, the only thing most of these guys have in common with us is an xbox 360 or PS3.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 29, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
It's a bit ridiculous to be questioning Spiller's character already
From all indications, he’s a good kid. Ripping him for not being signed prior to camp is a bit unfair. Are the 28 other first round picks bad people too?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I agree with both of you to some degree. I think it is crazy that we have to have certain guys already signed before we can get a deal done with Spiller. That is just total B.S. if you ask me. If the Bills offered him a good deal then he would sign it. Period. I don’t think that the fact that he hasn’t signed yet that it is a character flaw of Spiller’s though either. He’s a good kid and he will sign, I just find the idea that certain other players have to be signed in order to get his deal done to be the biggest nonsensical joke I have heard.
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but that doesn't make it Spiller's fault that the system doesn't befit your preference
it’s all about relative pay, and that takes some time. everyone wants their guys there on time, and in additon, the guys get one chance at the huge payday. period.
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I don’t think he was being that harsh with Spiller, just expressing the same frustration I felt. Someone has to be the first first-rounder to sign. Why isn’t it ever the guy Buffalo drafted?
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by thefourwinds on Jul 29, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
And yes, agreed with Eric that the problem could be on the Bills’ side, though this year’s process for the draft picks overall has seemed much better than in the recent past.
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by thefourwinds on Jul 29, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure seemed like a dig at Spiller to me
Why can’t we get the great kid?
So why are we always stuck with the bums
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Sounds like a bum to me
It took him 3 and 1/2 years to graduate? What took him so long? And he only made first-team Academic All-ACC last year. What was he doing in those previous years?
Well, it doesn’t say what his major was (“general studies”? “exercise science”? “psychology”), and this is Clemson we’re talking about, but I agree that he is head and shoulders above most who come out of college football.
This was the stat that impressed me: “Only player in the nation to account for a touchdown five different ways (pass, run, reception, kickoff return, punt return).”
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by thefourwinds on Jul 29, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
these things never ever ever ever impress me, i don’t care what your major was.
i was a college athlete too. You only have to take minimum number of credits a semester, and you get to take summer classes. On semesters, 12 hours is normally the minimum, which is 3-4 classes a week. The same can be said over the summer. 3 1/2 years, therefore, ends up at 120, which is right in the range of what most colleges require for graduation.
I’m not saying anything against spiller. He’s clearly a very bright kid and did exactly what he was supposed to be – be an excellent student athlete. I’m just saying that we shouldn’t laud these kids as the exception when they do it. We should hammer the others.
by quantumuprising on Jul 29, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh, we could get into the whole debate about how ridiculous it is for them to cry about $23 million vs. $24 million on one side and “it’s a business” on the other side. I deal with negotiating in my work, and the most important question I force my clients to answer is, “What do you really want?”
I will say that the team holds many of the cards in this setting, since the player doesn’t have the right to walk away from an offer he doesn’t like.
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by thefourwinds on Jul 29, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
…meaning, he can’t shop his abilities to other teams.
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by thefourwinds on Jul 29, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
$23 million vs. $24 million
It might look like one digit, but…
ITS A MILLION DOLLARS!
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by killascript on Jul 29, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s a question of percentage. How many millions does a person need?
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by thefourwinds on Jul 29, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
How many millions does a person need?
As many as he can get. As Kurupt says below, there are no guarantees for any player. Ask Kijana Carter if you know who that is (Penn State Running back from same class as Kerry Collins who was drafted in the top 10 and blew his knee out before his first season started)
Let the young man get paid, then see how he plays and acts as a sportsman….
It is Brohm’s Bills jersey that is the least stained with doo-doo... GO BILLS
I know who Kijana Carter is, and he’s a perfect illustration. Why should he have gotten any large sum of money when he never played a down for the team that drafted him?
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by thefourwinds on Jul 29, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
point is
anything can happen, and a player has every right to receive his market value. I am all for a rookie slotting system… I just think, currently, it is not a player’s fault if he wants another million bucks
It is Brohm’s Bills jersey that is the least stained with doo-doo... GO BILLS
It will be well recouped on the next deal.
Penny-wise and dollar foolish, I want to see a team player not a selfish one. If he is as good as advertised, he knows how good he is and he knows that he’ll get a whopping second contract, which will have been earned as opposed to this initial contract that is primarily built on hype given that he’s never played a down in the NFL yet.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
There's no guarantee for a next deal for any player
Can’t we wait a little bit before calling him selfish? Would you settle for $23M when $24 was attainable? I highly doubt it. If its 3 weeks from now and its unlikely his deal will be more than expected, then maybe this selfish talk and characters question would make more sense….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Jul 29, 2010 12:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah...
when I dont have any millions to start with…you’ve heard it before…“the first 23 million is the hardest”
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 29, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I am soooooo looking forward to a rookie pay scale and slotting because this whole process has become a complete joke.
Initial rookie contracts should be shorter and players should be playing to EARN the big pay day. When you see the huge busts that have come out in recent years and you start thinking of how severely it hurts the teams that actually need help the most it’s just a shame. It’s destroying the whole purpose of the draft which should be to help bring back the equilibrium each year. The greed has gotten to a point where its not only unacceptable, it’s unethical.
It’s completely out of control. There is no way in a million years that Bradford should be worth $50M guaranteed and by all indications that’s where he’s headed. The kid has not proven a single thing at this level and he’s a huge injury risk. The Rams have way too many needs to be able to afford sinking that kind of coin into such a huge risk but yet they have no choice in the matter, do they? I’m just so fed up with the whole process that I am taking it out on poor CJ because he went back on his word which kinda Pi$#ed me off.
For the record, the difference between 23-24 M is extremely marginal when you consider that a good player gets an extension before the end of his contract so if he indeed deserves an extension then the 1M difference is somewhat irrelevant, whereas if he busts, then the 1M is important.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
by keysh67 on Jul 29, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ridicule the system
Not the Spiller then!!
You really seem to get way too upset when a guy says something to the media then it doesn’t happen that way. You have to take what these guys say with a grain of salt because many times they just say things to avoid controversy. Like Spiller and every other rook does regarding their first contract.
That $1M is never irrelevant. Every player is one hit away from not playing again. No player should ever consider their potential 2nd contract when signing their first. Would you consider taking less $$ at your job knowing you’ll probably get a raise in the future if you stay? Why should any athlete think any differently??
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Jul 29, 2010 1:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
many times they just say things to avoid controversy
I’d prefer to hear nothing than garbage. Integrity is extremely important for me.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
Well when these guys are constantly being interviewed
That’s what you’re going to get, routinely…
Would we all like the truth and nothing else? Of course…but that’s not how it works.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Jul 29, 2010 2:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I guess that means we need to get rid of 90% of the journalists who insist on continuing to conduct these lame interviews.
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by thefourwinds on Jul 29, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought that is what I was admitting to in this response? I like Spiller and I am quite glad we used our first round draft pick on him. The bum comment was wrong, I really do not think that he’s a bum by any means, I am just disappointed that he changed his tune but then again I also understand that he is a RB and the system is the way it is, which is not his fault.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
Would you consider taking less $$ at your job knowing you’ll probably get a raise in the future if you stay?
As you’ve stated before, K, you can’t compare this to our situation. Any marginally intelligent human being on earth can have all his needs met (and a gargantuan amount of wants) for the rest of his life for that kind of money, with or without the extra $1 million. It’s likely your salary or mine will never put us in the same situation.
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by thefourwinds on Jul 29, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
the key word is great vs good
I’m just venting. And I am not ripping Spiller, at least not yet.
But he did say that he would be in camp and then he retracted himself leaving the door open for a holdout, claiming that it was a business after all.
From what I’ve seen and heard he does seem like a good kid. I just find it funny how a guy like McClain signs before anybody else does without worrying about the pennies because he knows that he’ll be great and will have a very successful career and that the big money will come after he proves himself. I do however understand that specifically in Spiller’s case, a RBs career can be quite short so the initial deal needs to be good but I still hope that he is indeed a good kid and instructs his agent to get the deal done quickly, especially since McClain is now signed.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
I just find it funny how a guy like McClain signs before anybody else does without worrying about the pennies
That’s not even remotely close to the truth of the situation. McClain got a 13% hike in total value and a 19% hike in guaranteed money over last year’s #8 pick, Eugene Monroe. He got essentially the same farce of a deal that the Raiders gave to Darrius Heyward-Bey last year, There’s a VERY GOOD REASON he’s signed already, and it’s because Al Davis opened his checkbook and said “take me, guy who runs fast.”
by Brian Galliford on Jul 29, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wasn’t aware of the contract details, I based that comment on the fact that maybe the guys before him would set the bar even higher and he still chose to be content with this deal. Granted given those numbers, I see why he signed already.
Doesn’t change the fact that Spiller changed his tune. Again, I am not ripping him, I’m just a bit disappointed but I am still quite hopeful that he will sign quickly now that McClain has set the pace.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
You are ripping him though
How exactly did he change his tune? Should he have said he expects a holdout this whole time?
Above you said you’d understand that, since he’s a) his shelf life is shorter so he should get his $$ while he can, so why all the ridicule and scorn towards him??
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Jul 29, 2010 1:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I am not ripping him, I’m just a bit disappointed but I am still quite hopeful that he will sign
Where do you see ridicule and Scorn in this phrase?
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
You've ridiculed and criticized his intentions throughout this post
That’s my reference, not the one sentence there!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Jul 29, 2010 2:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bingo! Blame owners like that for the mess
The irrational mess that we now have with the salary ladder for first-round picks.
by Sixteenthback on Jul 29, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
way to start a thread Keysh....
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 29, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
tell me about it.
I’m so primed for the season man that I sort of let my emotions get the best of me and I got mauled for it. There’s a lot of Spiller love around these parts and so there should be, he promises to be a very exiting part of this offense this year. I just hope he signs by the weekend.
And for the record I’d much prefer him being one of the first guys signed than one of the last. Hopefully he will
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
lol
I promise I won’t maul you. Think your gonna love some “Spiller the Thriller”. Really is no hurry player need wise. We’ve got capable RB’s to hold the fort till he’s ready. Way ready for season to begin!!
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by buffalobacker on Jul 30, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed
We’ve got capable RB’s
Still being a big Lynch supporter, I am happy in a way because it gives him more reps and maybe he finds his way back into the starting lineup. I feel that Gailey’s system and his mentality is the perfect storm for Marshawn and if he plays his cards right, he could easily win back the hearts of most fans. We all want one thing and that’s to win, if he can unleash the Beast and become the powerhouse runner that I know he can be, he’ll thrive in this offense.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
The key here
Is that the guy directly ahead of him signed. The ceiling is now set, and it should hurry up the process. What the guy behind him gets is secondary, because his agent wants to get him the most money. So he should get a little bit less than Mclain, and this should be wrapped up….
I’m not sure what is more unusual – No 8 overall being signed or that its an Oakland signing. Or maybe the fact that it’s the Raiders and Al Davis should be cause for concern. I can’t imagine they low-balled McClain and his agent into an early signing. This could be good news or bad news (depending on the specifics of the deal).
It was big hike over last years #8 deal...
Crazy Al offered McClain a boatload more cash than would have ultimately been needed to sign him…
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 29, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I am all about these guys trying to get as much money as they can and maximizing their earning potential...
Given the nature of the NFL, where your career can be over in an instant, but this whole process is utterly rediculous. Can someone please give me a somewhat valid excuse of why this takes so long? I will in no way try to compare the NFL with a regular 9-5, but this “we gotta wait and see what the guy before me and after get signed” is madness. Hell, if some one didn’t step up and make a deal, nobody would ever get signed!
So what I’m saying is “C.J. — Step up and make a deal!” I don’t care if “RB is the easiest transition to make from college to the pros”. The boy needs to get his butt in camp.
My god I can’t wait until (crosses fingers) a rookie wage scale gets put into place so we don’t have to deal with this every year.
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I am expecting a more incentive based negotiation by the agent.
Huge signing bonus is normal, annual base pay is normal, then incentives for receiving yards, rushing yards and return yards. Or Nix could be pushing for something more conventional.
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Updated with McClain’s contract figures, per Schefter: 5 years, $40 million, $23 million guaranteed.
by Brian Galliford on Jul 29, 2010 10:31 AM EDT reply actions
Good to hear about McClain, I have him on my IDP Dynasty League
What I find interesting is that New England, Dallas, and yes Oakland seem to sign their high draft picks early every year. Their front offices basically get the job done, no matter the situation of who signs when and what around them… However, they do it, they deserve kuddos
New England?
Not really the same at all. When was the last time they even had a low first-rounder? And they tend to trade out of the first round when they don’t see real value at their spot. NE loads up on second-round picks where real value is. They took THREE this year. It’s so damn unfair. But they’re able to do that by trading over-valued vets (with suckers like us) for a slew of future picks.
by Sixteenthback on Jul 29, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Oakland overpays every though...
not a model to follow…
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 29, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
It seems like most of us are assuming that Spiller’s agent is only pushing a few issues: Money, years and guranteed money. There are dozens if not hundreds of other stipulations and terms that go into an nfl contract, bonus money, incentives, health insurance to name a few. Look at Marshawn: I’m sure he’s regretting the rookie contract he signed right now. Last year he made like 7 or 800 grand, hardly a typical salary for a # 12 pick. This is because his agent loaded his contract with incentive based salary obligations. I’m sure Spiller and his agent don’t want to take that same risk. For so many of us to say that this is a simple process and question Spiller’s character for dragging it out is entirely unfair and mildly ridiculous.
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Eugene Monroe got $25 million guaranteed?
The nfl.com site says $17 million guaranteed
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 29, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you Al Davis!!
Now Spiller will be in camp within 3 days.
My prediction.
……..I hope.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jul 29, 2010 5:23 PM EDT reply actions
anyone griping
he is worth the wait. over 50 TDs with over 20 of them coming on runs that went for 50+ yds. that stat is pretty darn interesting to me. if 2 of 5 TD runs is a huge play, well, that will be unlike anything the Bills backfield has had in some time now, isn’t it?
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