Bills OLB Kelsay Injured During First Camp Practice
by Brian Galliford on Jul 29, 2010 6:49 PM EDT
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PrintInjuries have been a massive problem for the Buffalo Bills in recent seasons, and after one day of training camp under new head coach Chan Gailey, the first injury of the year is on the books. Chris Kelsay, the veteran end who saw first-team reps at outside linebacker during the walk-through portions of practice, injured his right shoulder mid-way through Thursday's workout and left the field to get his shoulder wrapped.
The Associated Press reports that the injury will keep Kelsay out "indefinitely," though no timeline, nor indication on the seriousness of the injury, has been provided. Gailey skirted the issue, saying Kelsay "will be out a little while," while Kelsay himself did not speak to reporters Thursday afternoon.
Paul Posluszny and Keith Ellison did not practice on Thursday, and others, such as left tackle Demetrius Bell, were not full participants as they continue to ease their way back into the rotation off of rehabilitation. Nic Harris and Jon Corto are on the Active/Physically Unable to Perform list, Aaron Schobel is on the Reserve/Did Not Report list, and C.J. Spiller remains unsigned. Everyone else is healthy and practicing.
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Damnit.
"Ability without character will lose. The Bills are going to be a team of high character. That stamp I will push very hard. I hope we can convey that to our fans and project something very special to the rest of the nation." - Marv Levy
by BuffaloBlueBlood on Jul 29, 2010 6:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Not good
but I would like to see the young rook step up and maybe shine…if I am correct Batten is an OLB right
A man must except his fate or be destroyed by it
by BillsStampede34 on Jul 29, 2010 7:01 PM EDT reply actions
seriously?
i don’t want to overreact here…but wow. if we have another year ruined by injuries i may just hang myself in the bathroom. It would just be nice to see what this team could do if we could stay healthy….first day of camp? come on.
"It’s like I’ve always said, don’t tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby. That’s what we’ve got to do. We’ve got to show you the baby, and the baby is winning." - Buddy Nix
Umm, hate to sound skeptical, but is this good news or bad news?
I mean seriously, if he’s out for a while it might force the team to go out and sign an OLB with actual 3-4 expirience. And is that eally so bad?
Or better yet it maight creat a visible need for Schobel to come back, making him actually want to come back. All the while keeping Maybin in a full time starting position.
So once again, is this such a bad thing?
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by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 29, 2010 7:04 PM EDT reply actions
An injury is never a good thing (unless you’re Tom Brady and you’re about to take the NFL by storm).
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 29, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I know an injury is never really a good thing. I’m just saying, so good may come out of it. Kind of like an addition by substraction type thing.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 29, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really an objection, but I concur........
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jul 29, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
How so?
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by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 29, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
my cousin vinny – movie line
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on Jul 30, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Forget Maybin
Maybin is not starting at the moment. He has been demoted to second-string — which is not a good sign. Schobel will likely take Kelsay’s place when he returns, as now looks very likely. But beyond that this will provide an even bigger opportunity for the younger OLB’s — Batten, Moats, Coleman and Chris Ellis — to show off their talents.
Why forget about a 2nd year top 10 pick?
and concentrate on only three younger (he may still be younger than they are, IDK) late round draft picks and a UDFA. I dont get that, Maybin needs coaching, exactly what Gailey is preaching…fundamentals.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 30, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Draft Order has never been relevant
except for the value of the contract. Some baseball players get drafted out of high school. The best players play period. This is where the bust label is commonly missused. Some players regardless of where they were selected require more time to learn, adapt and adjust to there new surroundings and roles. This doesn’t make them bad players just bigger projects.
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I just didn't understand the argument to go with younger guys...
who are not actually younger and dont possess the physical attriubes that Maybin does…
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 30, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
When was Maybin demoted? And how many days has he been with the second units if in fact he has been demoted. and more importantly, who took his spot on first units?
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by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 30, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
torbor was in with the ones
in place of maybin after the initial lineup. though that could have just as likely been to rest or to demonstrate for younger guys in lineup too… it will be hard to determine what the movement means, if much of anything for the first week or two at least.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
I’m guessing it’s just to ease Maybin into his role while he’s still learning the roaps.
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Amen
by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 30, 2010 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions
ease him in? this is the big boy league. I think you throw him into the fire
by quantumuprising on Jul 30, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions
torbor was also first team in front of maybin for a lot of the earlier work this summer too, i think
by quantumuprising on Jul 30, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Gailey said that whoever earned it in OTAs
started there in TC
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 30, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
It could turn out to be beneficial...
Week 13: "You know, this all started back on the first day of training camp, the BIlls starting OLB Chris Kelsay went down with a shoulder. It opened for the door for the young Danny Batten to come in and show what he could do. He’s been an absolute steal for the Buffalo Bills. – Steve Tasker
who knows?
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 30, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Wrong
Tasker would butcher the name. He’s say something like Davey Barton.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
its a small price to pay for all those headshots he took on special teams.
by quantumuprising on Jul 30, 2010 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm sad for Chris, but I'm slightly more excited for the Bills
Kelsay, though a fine example of strong work ethic and character, is also an underproductive player at his position. Moreover, Kelsay is one of the pieces that doesn’t appear to fit well in this system. It would be a markedly worse setback if we were hearing that Shawn Nelson, Lee Evans, or Jairus Byrd had gone down. These players’ production would be difficult to replace.
I feel like Gailey/Edwards were almost sort of trapped into starting Kelsay, in a way. As it stands now, it’s too bad for Chris, but Danny Batten and Chris Ellis are going to get reps at this position. That could very well be the best thing for the Bills.
Blame where you must, be candid where you can, And be each critic the Good-natured Man. - Oliver Goldsmith (Excellent advice)
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by Dyl on Jul 29, 2010 7:13 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Very well put.
Completely agree.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 30, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
So early into training camp, unless this is a serious injury, I don’t think any of this is a really big deal. Honestly, how many players on average for every other team have to sit out a day or more due to a minor injury? It’s not unheard of…
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Shoulder injuries
Shoulder injuries are kind of like knee injuries. Rarely does it involve muscle and it usually means surgery and rehab. Knees are usually season ending, of course.
Thou isth now selling thy KoolAid...
If its a seperated shoulder, a few weeks and a wrap come game day and he will be ok.
If its a full dislocation or any of the tendons or nerves are trapped, alot longer time period.
abayarde- "I SAY this get ready cause the BUFFALO BILLS ARE COMING TO TOWN and I dont mean like Santa clause. WE will not Surrender this is were you all FALL The WHAGON BLASTER IS TAKING OFF AND YOU PUNKS are in our way, This wagon has no BREAKS so get ready for the ride of the life time"
Yah. I have a shoulder issue myself. It depends. If it’s bad enough the labrum is torn and that’s what I’m referring to. A minor dislocation would cause acute pain but you know almost immediately what the deal is because full mobility (albeit uncomfortable) is still there.
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Emmitt Smith destroyed the Giants with a separated shoulder.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 30, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
That wasn't Emmitt Smith
That was Cookie Gilchrist with some makeup come back for one more go around where he’d never be discovered.
Blame where you must, be candid where you can, And be each critic the Good-natured Man. - Oliver Goldsmith (Excellent advice)
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by Dyl on Aug 1, 2010 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
cue Benny Hill theme music and send out the dancing bears….the Bills are back!!!
At least it wasn’t one of our gun QBs….oh wait.
I need a to find a beet to cry in.
You just makes sure to wash it before hand, then rub it slowly across your eyelids as the tears pour out
If nothing else, it may make for a nice mascara
abayarde- "I SAY this get ready cause the BUFFALO BILLS ARE COMING TO TOWN and I dont mean like Santa clause. WE will not Surrender this is were you all FALL The WHAGON BLASTER IS TAKING OFF AND YOU PUNKS are in our way, This wagon has no BREAKS so get ready for the ride of the life time"
Sounds like a seperated shoulder, K will now weep for joy as Kelsay will not see the field for at least 3 weeks most likely
abayarde- "I SAY this get ready cause the BUFFALO BILLS ARE COMING TO TOWN and I dont mean like Santa clause. WE will not Surrender this is were you all FALL The WHAGON BLASTER IS TAKING OFF AND YOU PUNKS are in our way, This wagon has no BREAKS so get ready for the ride of the life time"
Btw Brian, I assume this is a stock injured Kelsay photo you went with correct?
I’m sure there a ton of photos out there in the internet of injured Bills at that….
abayarde- "I SAY this get ready cause the BUFFALO BILLS ARE COMING TO TOWN and I dont mean like Santa clause. WE will not Surrender this is were you all FALL The WHAGON BLASTER IS TAKING OFF AND YOU PUNKS are in our way, This wagon has no BREAKS so get ready for the ride of the life time"
What's worse than Chris Kelsay starting at OLB?
Starting the guy that couldn’t beat him out for the job!
Well considering that one of them is a (I believe) 6th round pick, and the other is a 3rd rounder who never really blossomed as a DE
now trying to make the switch to OLB, not a surprise is it?
Batten could be good down the road, but….. hes not exactly a top flight competitor for the spot either is he?
abayarde- "I SAY this get ready cause the BUFFALO BILLS ARE COMING TO TOWN and I dont mean like Santa clause. WE will not Surrender this is were you all FALL The WHAGON BLASTER IS TAKING OFF AND YOU PUNKS are in our way, This wagon has no BREAKS so get ready for the ride of the life time"
Fairly unpopular here, i'm sure...
but I really want to see Kelsay at OLB. I hope he makes a quick recovery so that he can compete this season. He’s never been as bad a we all make him out to be, just far more expensive than I think we all know he should be.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 29, 2010 7:57 PM EDT reply actions
limited athlete
and a liability in the open field…and that’s where they’re trying to put him.
So, I have to disagree with you there.
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Don't care...
I would rather see LB’s play LB, all these guys switching from DE to LB are going to get torched in pass coverage (with the exception of Maybin, he actually seems to fit better at OLB).
In a 3-4, isn’t your OLB essentially your pass-rushing DE?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 30, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree...
Would rather see Danny Batten or Chris Ellis get all the reps at OLB. Kelsay struggle as a 4-3 end, how is he supposed to play 3-4 OLB?
Another point, I assume today’s practice was full contact?
May get cut
This only adds to the likelihood that he will get cut in late August. Time for some new blood. The old blood is tainted.
by Long Beach Bills Fan on Jul 29, 2010 9:36 PM EDT reply actions
No
Please not a repeat of last year, injury wise. The Bills need a voodoo doctor to reverse the bad juju regarding injuries. I know, its early…
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The attitude here, to be frank, is kind of disgusting. Now we’re half-celebrating a guy getting hurt?
by Brian Galliford on Jul 29, 2010 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Not celebrating at all. I’m frankly disapointed that he’s injured, because as mediocre as I think he’ll be at OLB, I still think that he’s the best option we have opposite Maybin.
What I’m hoping this does is make the coaching staff realise exactly how bleak our depth is at OLB and finally go out and sign someone with expirience at OLB in the 3-4. Even if it is an overpriced has been like Adelius Tohmas.
This wasn’t a cheering because Kelsay is injured for me. It was a wake up call for how bad we may possibly be at OLB this year.
Dear God,
If we give you the Jonas Brothers, can you please give us back Jimi Hendrix?
Amen
by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 29, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
i was trying to come up with something to defend myself
but i think you are right. this is bad.
yeah, i feel that way too
i wanted to agree with someone, and it took til down here to recognize that all i can say, is i hope he can return, or that someone else steps up while he is gone to show that we have a solution regardless. i don’t call that a half celebration, more like damage control. we need experienced big guys in our front 7. period. but i am ok with some sprinkled newbies, so if kelsay is depth after his injury because coleman or batten or someone steps up, there are worse things
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by Ren Diggity on Jul 29, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
There is definitely a way to do it without being happy he's injured.
Being sad that he’s injured, and being happy that other guys are getting his minutes. These things are not mutually exclusive.
We’re looking at the bright side of the situation, that some players who could very likely end up outperforming Kelsay are going to see the time they would need to do this.
Blame where you must, be candid where you can, And be each critic the Good-natured Man. - Oliver Goldsmith (Excellent advice)
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agree
and on topic of injuries, only because we are…. i am glad to hear that the O lineman are in mandatory braces for both knees while in practice. At least for the beginning… that is interesting and new to me… but i think it shows that the conditioning staff feels like the players have some strenghtening to do before they can really really go full speed without support.
That is a pleasant or maybe its a slightly disheartening change of pace… could it be so simple as just previous staff not teaching guys well enough to strengthen themselves correctly? how is this not integral and basic fundamental that isn’t covered by every club and college everywhere, all the time at this point in professional sports? boggles my mind.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
by Ren Diggity on Jul 29, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
whoops
how is it not fundamental that IS covered by all clubs and schools and programs nationwide
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
by Ren Diggity on Jul 29, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he is concerned about the injuries too...
he is trying to ensure that they can be physical in practice without losing too many players.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 30, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
oh, i get it
but i hope it comes only from precaution, rather than some general necessity. i don’t know how the strenght and conditioning has them assessed to this point, and hopefully it simply means that they need to be careful while still going strong. like i said above, i find it interesting.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
speaking as someone who has had to wear those knee braces -
i can completely see why they leave it up to the players at the nfl level. They can really impact your play, and are incredibly uncomfortable, despite the additional support they provide. Also, they can almost facilitate other injuries, because they change your mechanics.
Also, the overwhelming majority of acl/mcl injuries are non-contact, and there is no significant proof that wearing a brace would prevent them in the first place. In most cases now where people blow a knee, there still is nothing close to a consensus on whether or not they need a brace after surgery. My second doc said i had no reason for a brace for various reasons.
just playin devils advocate. Its like making a major league baseball wear a cup. Is it a really smart thing to do? Yes. Is it uncomfortable, does it get in the way, and can it affect your play? Yes to that, as well.
by quantumuprising on Jul 30, 2010 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep, all of this.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 30, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
they are mandatory
i can completely see why they leave it up to the players at the nfl level
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
well, for this staff at least.
they were all required by Chan to wear them
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
He's hurt...not dead. What is plan B?
I hope he heals quickly, but speaking for myself, I also have hope that something good will come of this. Injuries are part of the game and many fantastic players only got to that point in their career because they were given a chance to play at some point in time.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 30, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
How does anyone know if Kelsay is going to be good
at OLB….has anyone watched him play yet???
He’ll be back.
Buffalo Bills or Die.
He’s one of the strongest guys on the team, if I recall it accurately.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 30, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
That stinks
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Not To Worry
Kelsay will be back. Meanwhile we get a good look at Batten who has a tremendous upside.
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