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Rumblings Draft Scouting: Strong Year For 3-4 DE, WR

When it comes to the very select segment of the Buffalo Bills' fan base that is already looking ahead to the 2011 NFL Draft, most of the focus is on the highest-rated quarterback prospects. Two seniors (Washington's Jake Locker, Florida State's Christian Ponder), a junior (Arkansas' Ryan Mallett) and a sophomore (Stanford's Andrew Luck) are certain to get the bulk of attention from Bills fans desperate for the team to land a top-flight signal caller next April.

As such, during our weekly scouting reports throughout the 2010-11 college football season, we'll be dedicating a weekly post to the progress of each of those four players - and one more post to the rest of the players in the nation.

For this weekend's scouting piece, we're going to leave those four quarterbacks out of the conversation - rest assured we'll have many more conversations about those players in the not-too-distant future. Instead, we're going to focus on the rest of the class of players eligible for the 2011 NFL Draft, and in particular the rich pool of top-level talent available at two key positions - 3-4 defensive end and wide receiver. Quite simply, there are an unusual amount of highly-talented prospects at these positions, and that's worth fleshing out a little bit.

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3-4 (five-technique) defensive end
Unlike the receiver position, which we'll cover in a moment, the five-technique position is actually spearheaded by a strong group of seniors, and strengthened with a junior or two. But it's a junior who has created the most buzz to this point, and likely has the highest upside of any of his positional peers.

Alabama junior Marcel Dareus hasn't even been a full-time starter under Nick Saban, but playing all along the defensive line, he's been highly productive when he's seen the field. He raised some eyebrows with a pick-six return in the BCS National Championship Game in January, and he's got ideal size and strength for the position. His stock, however, is quite volatile, as scouts are curious to see how he responds to not only becoming a starter, but playing along a line that lost two quality contributors in Terrence Cody and Brandon Deaderick.

Three seniors - Ohio State's Cameron Heyward, Iowa's Adrian Clayborn and Miami (FL)'s Allen Bailey - are all legitimate Top 15-type prospects, as well. Furthermore, all are much more proven on the gridiron than Dareus, as these three standouts combined for 141 tackles and 24 sacks during the 2009 season. Clayborn is the best pass rusher of the group, as he burst onto the scene with 11 sacks in '09 after registering just four in his first two years combined. Heyward, the best physical specimen of the group (6'6", 287), is the best run defender, with the length and power to be a dominant force as a five-technique end. Bailey is the most athletic, and thus the most scheme versatile, but his forte is rushing the passer, as well, as his 12 career sacks will attest to.

Two more juniors can be safely added to this conversation, though they're not yet great fits for the five-technique spot. Scouts are waiting to see what happens with Nebraska's Jared Crick - how he handles being the focal point of that defense now that Ndamukong Suh is a pro, and how his light 6'6", 260-pound frame holds up against double- and triple-teams all season. Crick was a force to be reckoned with in '09, but Suh gets a lot of that credit. Crick is very similar to another former Cornhusker, Adam Carriker, but has a higher ceiling if he bulks up. Meanwhile, Clemson's Da'Quan Bowers is a phenomenally gifted athlete, with a tremendous first step for a man his size (6'4", 280), but has not yet blossomed into a dynamic pass rusher. He's got the size to play the five-technique, and already exhibits enough dominance against the run to play that position, but scouts will be disappointed if Bowers doesn't emerge as a scheme-versatile pass rusher.

Wide Receiver
Slap an asterisk next to this position, because this will only be a strong group in 2011 if a whole bunch of juniors decide to leave their respective schools early. Should they not, LSU's Terrance Toliver would likely be the positional headliner, but he looks to be a mid-second round prospect at very best. He's a good player, but totally pales in comparison to the elite juniors in the nation.

A.J. Green of Georgia is getting the most hype, and with good reason - he's been a dominant player since he first set foot on college gridiron. He's averaged 16.2 yards per reception and scored 14 touchdowns through two excellent seasons despite receiving constant attention from opposing secondaries and losing his star quarterback, Matthew Stafford, after his freshman season. Green's an elite deep threat, and another strong showing could cement his status as a Top 5 prospect.

Three more juniors - Julio Jones (Alabama), Michael Floyd (Notre Dame) and Jonathan Baldwin (Pittsburgh) - make up the rest of the elite group of juniors, and all of them grade out similarly. Like Green, Jones has been a star since his first game as a freshman, though in Bama's run-happy scheme, he rarely gets the chance to show off his skills, having registered just eight touchdowns in two seasons despite a tough-to-defend 6'4" frame. Floyd put up excellent numbers in his first two seasons at ND (92 receptions, 16 touchdowns), but scouts are curious to see if that production continues with Jimmy Clausen out of the picture. Baldwin will be catching passes from a new starting quarterback, as well, and is the only player here who wasn't a stand-out as a freshman, but his eye-popping career average of 20.2 yards per reception prove his worth as a deep threat. A second straight outstanding season could allow Baldwin to challenge Green for the status of best receiver in the nation.

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If and I do mean "IF"

one of our current QBs steps up, and we somehow produce a good left tackle, I think Heyward would be a great replacement for the aging Stroud.

by BuffaloChip on Jul 3, 2010 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

If this year's draft taught us anything, it is that need means very little to this FO

I wouldn’t put it past them to draft another RB or CB.

"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown

by Joe P. on Jul 3, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt they’d take another RB in the first, but yes, they’d absolutely take a corner. That I am 100% sure of.

by Brian Galliford on Jul 3, 2010 1:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well they wouldn't take another RB like Spiller, but

if Lynch doesn’t work out and the next Adrian Peterson is sitting there???

The more I “Ponder” the situation, Gailey better keep a “Locker” available and draft a QB. If not, he is going to need a lot of “Luck” to avoid being pounded like a nail with a “Mallett” by the fans and media alike.

"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown

by Joe P. on Jul 3, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

If this doesnt deserve to be rec'd then I don't kow what does

"You are every bit as good as everyone else, but not one bit better."
-Eldred Lee

by arbon78 on Jul 3, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown

by Joe P. on Jul 3, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why a corner?

It is the deepest position on the team.

Unless you are looking to replace Mcgee

"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-

by billsoferie on Jul 3, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is?

You’ve got Florence and Youboty in the last year’s of their deal, an aging McGee, a talented, but still raw McKelvin and a pretty poor player in Corner. Next year that group is going to look mighty suspect….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 3, 2010 8:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Next year that group is going to look mighty suspect….

or sometime this year. none of those players is a world-beater and if there is a revis type player out there, I would want us to draft him

It is Brohm’s Bills jersey that is the least stained with doo-doo... GO BILLS

by killascript on Jul 4, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah – I’m not seeing the same things in Corner that most who are so down on him are. That said, I don’t think he’s starting-caliber.

by Brian Galliford on Jul 4, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

would you describe him as “poor”? I think he’s outplayed McKelvin thus far in their carreers. not to shabby for a 3rd rounder.

by BuffaloChip on Jul 5, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

outplayed McKelvin?

How? I mean, you said “think” so I imagine this is just perception, but I don’t know many who would share that opinion. I “know” that McKelvin had two INTs his rookie year, and played about half as many games as Corner, who has started half as many as McKelving, and has half as many INTs. If you compare total games (though I don’t know total snaps) they have a similar amount of relative pass breakups, but I believe most of Corner’s play was in the slot, and McKelvin on the outside; at least I believe this was the case. I could be mistaken. Regardless, Corner may not have the speed to be playing man coverage, as most of his experience has also been in Cover 2.

FS Jairus Byrd aka the Buffalo Bills' Silver Lining

by Ren Diggity on Jul 5, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah we have a new player

McKelvinG. lol.

FS Jairus Byrd aka the Buffalo Bills' Silver Lining

by Ren Diggity on Jul 5, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

changing

As a Penn State fan I have hated Heyward but if the Bills acquired him I think I would do the world’s fastest turnaround from hate to love…thin line after all :-)

TILL THE END
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by TexasBillsFanatic on Jul 3, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah....do you think he is compensating for something :-)

"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown

by Joe P. on Jul 3, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

my short patience

TILL THE END
HOPE WHAT IS HOPE = HOPE is a Bilivee in a positive outcome related to events and circumstances in one;s life . Hope is the feeling that is wanted can be had or that events will turn foe the BEST. HOPE IS A distinct from positive thinking ,, Wich brings me to a conclusion THAT WE THE BUFFALO BILLS FANS NOT JUST HOPE THAT COMES FROM FAITH THAT COMES FROM A SUPREAM POWER. THAT WE THE FANS HAVE FOR OUR BELOVED TEAM YOU HAVE IT WITH IN YOU BEYOND HOPE, IT IS A POWER INSIDE OF EACH ONE OF US THAT WE WILL NOT GIVE UP . NEVER SUNDAY AFTER SUNDAY WE WIL COME AND TAKE THE CHALENGE AND WE WILL LOOK IN TO THE EYES OF OR OPONENT AND SAY WE WILL STAND AND FIGHT TILL OUR LAST BREATH . THIS IS BUFALLOZILLA NATION WE STAND AND WE NEVER HOPE WE TAKE THE FUTURE AND FACE IT HEAD ON TILL THE END
~Abayarde

by TexasBillsFanatic on Jul 3, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL......you picked the wrong NFL team to be a fan of :-)

"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown

by Joe P. on Jul 3, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

point but

Another traitof mine though is rabid loyalty

Cornell Green to C.J. Spiller-
"You’re all clear, kid! Now let’s win this thing and go home!"

by TexasBillsFanatic on Jul 3, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

The word "fanatic" sends the message!

Hammel-Chicken wearing USA gear says "booo"
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by UZ on Jul 4, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

there, a new sig line…which should save space :-)

Cornell Green to C.J. Spiller-
"You’re all clear, kid! Now let’s win this thing and go home!"

by TexasBillsFanatic on Jul 3, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think they would have to get a olb and let kelsey walk

but then again kelsey is a god to buffalo………………….

my big brother trent edwards
me and trent play catch all the time but for some reason he cant toss it farther than 10 yards so i got really good at slant routes and screens

by Gpluehri on Jul 3, 2010 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

can we suck so bad we get two top ten picks?

Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
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by silverstreak3k on Jul 3, 2010 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

We should be looking to go

QB
OLB
LT
DE
WR

"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-

by billsoferie on Jul 3, 2010 7:33 PM EDT reply actions  

in that order

"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-

by billsoferie on Jul 3, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm hoping

WR is no longer a need. I believe there is a lot of talent on the current team. I’d like nothing more than 2 strong WR’s to emerge this year to go with Evans.

by Buffalonian on Jul 3, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

OLB I understand, but DE?

Edwards, Carrington, Stroud is a pretty solid (hopefully) set of DEs in 3/4 alignment.
I’d put OC and TE on that list pending how Nelson shakes out.

by shrubz on Jul 4, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well Stroud is near his end,

So without him we are in real need.

"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-

by billsoferie on Jul 4, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

That IS familiar...

Oh, did I say my mock was for 2010? No, no, you guys miss understood me;)

"This is what happens Larry!, This is what happens! "-Walter Sobchak" "Did we give up when the germans bombed pearl harbor!!??"-John Belushi

by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Jul 4, 2010 1:31 AM EDT reply actions  

All 4 of the Junior WRs you mentioned are really, really good.

That is all.

"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde

by StroudFanClub on Jul 4, 2010 1:37 AM EDT reply actions  

If we’re talking JR WRs, then I think Ryan Broyles has to be mentioned. He put up huge numbers last year on an Oklahoma team that didn’t really have anybody else for pass defenses to worry about. As Landry Jones settles in, Broyles is going to have another monster year. He’s a lot like Steve Smith of the Giants and I think he’s going to be an instant impact player for somebody as a late first or early second round slot guy who will start outside after a year or two.

Southern Miss’ DeAndre Brown also needs to be brought up for his ridiculous upside. He’s another James Hardy type, but he’s got a more NFL ready body than Hardy did and is a smooth runner with solid explosiveness for somebody his size. Vincent Jackson would be the comparison if we’re going to compare top college prospects to great NFL players.

I’m not sure I’d call Dareus’ stick volatile. He’s a lock top 40 pick, but he could be a top 5 type selection if he plays up to his ability. Late in the season, he had some games where he got more PT than any other Bama DL player. And even though they did lose some great players on that D, it’s still a line loaded with talent and as a pass rusher, Dareus was already the defensive lineman that opposing offenses were most worried about. He was dominant in the National Championship game.

Is Jared Crick really only 260? He’s listed 285 everywhere, although he is a bit on the thin side.

SFC: Were you excited about Clausen dropping to the Bills pick? Or did you have a feeling that the Bills wouldn’t pick him anyway?
Galliford: Both, like when that hot chick waves at someone she knows standing behind you.

by kaisertown on Jul 4, 2010 9:21 PM EDT reply actions  

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