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Battle Lines Being Drawn At Bills Training Camp

Day one of 2010 Buffalo Bills training camp is in the books, and many of the major positional battles have been addressed repeatedly since yesterday's practice came to a close. Trent Edwards is the top dog in the QB pecking order for the time being, though it's still an open competition. Same goes for Steve Johnson with the second receiver role. Those are perhaps the two most open competitions on the roster, but there are more closely contested battles elsewhere that should be receiving a lot of attention as well. Three stick out to me in particular.

Reserve Offensive Line
Demetrius Bell was first through the rotation at left tackle during walk-through, but Jamon Meredith took those reps during team work, as Bell is still not quite 100% recovered from last year's knee injury. While Bell was in, Meredith got reps on the right side with the second team (opposite Ed Wang). For the immediate future, that's how the tackle situation should play out; far more interesting at the moment, however, is what's happening with the rest of the second unit offensive line.

Buffalo has very little in the way of proven depth on the interior offensive line, with only Kirk Chambers - currently the second-team right guard - having considerable NFL experience. It's therefore worth noting (as reported by BuffaloBills.com) that the second-team left guard, undrafted rookie free agent Cordaro Howard, and center, undrafted rookie free agent Sean Allen, started camp out with the same leg up that Edwards, Johnson and others got. Other reserves, such as seventh-round pick Kyle Calloway, veteran Christian Gaddis, and converted tackles Jason Watkins and Andre Ramsey apparently have an uphill climb.

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Weak-Side OLB: Torbor v. Maybin
Second-year pro Aaron Maybin ran with the ones in the very early portions of the walk-through, according to our own MattRichWarren, but BuffaloBills.com reports that Reggie Torbor got most of the significant first-team reps during team work, with Maybin sprinkled in occasionally. Most fans expected Maybin, the No. 11 overall pick in the 2009 NFL Draft, to be a shoo-in as a starter, but the more 3-4 savvy Torbor appears set to give Maybin stiff competition for the starting role.

That is, of course, unless Aaron Schobel decides he'd like to play in 2010, in which case both Torbor and Maybin would become rotational players, likely giving way for Schobel - the only proven pass-rusher the team employs - to quickly re-claim the starting role he'd been penciled in for on the weak side.

Starting CB: Florence v. McKelvin
Most outlets expected third-year pro Leodis McKelvin to re-claim his starting corner role opposite Terrence McGee, but he'll have to beat out veteran Drayton Florence for that gig. Both players saw significant reps with the first-team defense on Thursday, but Florence lined up opposite McGee when the team only had two corners on the field. In nickel sets, McKelvin took the field on the outside, allowing Florence to slide into the nickel role the team signed him to play last March.

You're all aware that Buffalo is particularly deep in the defensive backfield, and this is one benefit - the team is likely to play both of these players so frequently that naming a "starter" really might be a moot point. Still, Chan Gailey wants competition to exist to get the best out of his players, and it'll be interesting to see these two solid players jockey for playing time during the course of training camp. McKelvin, for the record, already has one interception under his belt.

The Bills have two practices today, but only one - the team's first night practice, which starts at 7PM - is open to the public. I'll be there tweeting updates, so if you're not following me on Twitter, now's the time to do so - particularly if you can't attend tonight's practice.

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Completely agree. Well put.

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by bflo on Jul 30, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do agree, but it is concerning that those 2 players aren’t sure fits yet. Especially Maybin, given that he’s not even fighting a veteran in Torbor.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 30, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

My bad. I realize Torbor isn’t a rookie. Still disappointed in the way things “may” play out, but still too early for me to invest much emotion in it, I suppose.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 30, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah thats how I feel. I agree with it wholeheartedly… just disappointed that these 2 might not “be there” yet. Ya know what I mean?

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by bflo on Jul 30, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here’s where i’m at: Aaron Maybin is an engima.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 30, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

McKelvin is coming back from injury, and Maybin is all of 21 years old and not only was a one-year wonder at Penn State, but also had to play a completely different position last year in his first year, and now is an OLB in his second year. A little continuity and healthiness for these guys and I think they’ll be fine. I don’t think anyone should worry just yet.

by JjR in TO on Jul 30, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Im not worried yet… but I am starting to worry (if that makes sense, haha)

I think McKelvin will be ahead of Maybin in terms of NFL readiness this year, which is kind of an obvious statement since he is older… but I dont think Ill be worrying about McKelvin as much as I will Maybin. That is due to being pretty deep at DB… and not having much/any passrush.

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by bflo on Jul 30, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

rec’d

It stinks that Maybin might end up being a huge bust with McKelvin not showing a ton at this point either.

Our last two first round picks were definately crap at this point, maybe why the Spiller selection happened because it doesn’t seem like he’s going to fail.

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Jul 30, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting, even if early in the process.

Brian, if Kelsay is out for an extended period of time, who stands to fill the position?

I just have to add that it’s a bit disconcerting how two #1 picks on defense are not guaranteed a starting opportunity. I know the best (usually) comes out in people when asked to compete, but you’d think Maybin and McKelvin would have a huge talent advantage over their competition. I guess with Maybin, nobody’s sure how or where he fits yet. That’s something I just have to walk away from for the time being—to let it all play out without voicing much displeasure.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 30, 2010 9:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Chris Ellis filled in for Kelsay yesterday.

by Brian Galliford on Jul 30, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

That surprises me. You think Ellis has a real shot? I know you didnt have him on your "Pre Camp 53 man roster’ (I wouldnt have either) … but that surprises me he’d be the first off the bench. Although I guess with the injuries and players that are limited they just needed a body out there? Idk… just kind of shocked to see him out there with the 1st, in any instance.

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by bflo on Jul 30, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

It shouldn't be that surprising

The Bills really don’t have anyone else….

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by Kurupt on Jul 30, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

if schobel returns

is it possible that we could see maybin slide over to the strong side? I know that he’s a little unknown in run support, but he would also be much better in coverage due to his athleticism

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by Adam_K on Jul 30, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with Brian

That’s pretty doubtful, to be kind.

Maybin’s “skills” are a better fit on the weak side, and he’s not even showing he can fit there quite yet….

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by Kurupt on Jul 30, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d say its more disconcerting that two first round picks haven’t earned a starting opportunity or proved they are capable of being starters yet. Why should anyone be guaranteed anything?

by quantumuprising on Jul 30, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s better said, and well put by you.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 30, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybin

When he was drafted I remember the story about how Lavar Arrington took him under his wing. At the time I thought it was pretty cool…but in hindsight I realize Arrington was a bust so having him as a mentor may not lead to success. Just glad that Chan seems to be going by on field performance not draft order.

by 41Meuller on Jul 30, 2010 9:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Arrington? A bust? Three pro bowls and two all pro selections before he got an ACL injury … that’s not too bad.

by lord gloom on Jul 30, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Depth

It is starting out looking like OL & LB depth are more important than any other position. This may jeopardize Chad Jackson’s & Cary Harris’ spots on Brian’s roster prediction, possibly McIntyre, as well. Howard over Calloway? Could be that this only means Chan is turning up the pressure on certain positions so he can make up his mind who will make the cuts and who won’t. Of course, it is still early. Injuries may determine who stays at what spots. With our pass catching RB strength, it might mean only 4 receivers on the final roster, with 2 on the PS. Haven’t heard a word about Wright or Ramsey, lately.

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by lostlasvegan on Jul 30, 2010 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

This is in fact a real opportunity for some younger guys

I doubt very much that the situation at OLB will impact the number of WR’s the Bills carry — same with all other positions. What it will mainly mean is a great opportunity for some of the younger LB’s on the current roster who may well be our future at the position — especially Danny Baten and Antonio Coleman. It’s possible that Arthur Moats may also get a chance to show what he can do on the outside.

My reading of this situation is that Maybin is struggling badly, which may well mean that he won’t be ready to contribute much this year. Given how poorly he played last year, that’s no surprise. I have also been very skeptical of Kelsay’s conversion to OLB, which requires him to be a lot faster than he was at DE (where he was slow). If his injury causes him to miss a lot of training camp he may not make the final roster (I was thinking he was going to be borderline anyway). It would be great if Chris Ellis surprises everyone, but few people would bet on that at the moment. So in effect there may be a lot of space cleared for the rookies at OLB. If they can really step up (and based on their performance during the OTA’s it would seem there’s a decent chance they can) it will be great for them and the team.

by Macktruck on Jul 30, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

A large part of me wants Schobel to stay away at this point. I will always like the guy but at this point he should just retire IMHO. I have no issue what-so-ever with an 50-50 Torbor-Maybin split. I know everyone will want Maybin to win the job and be the starter based on his draft status but I think him splitting time with the, as Brian put it, more 3-4 savvy Torbor is just fine.

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by sireric on Jul 30, 2010 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

i would hate for Schobel to be that close to a healthy retirement, only to come back and suffer a major injury. That’s my only reservation.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 30, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Totally Understood

Just in case you haven’t, look at it from the other direction. He is an established/accomplished nfl player. One who has suffered serious injury and regained his edge of effectiveness. Also, he is a quality player that worst case would provide depth at a very critical need position on our defense and although it remains to be seen, some think he could excel even more at OLB than DE. Finally, IMO he has never demonstrated a selfishness before in his career. We all can relate to the love for ones family having total influence over our decision making. Aaron has always been our kind of guy and a leader for this team. I agree with Buddy and Chan, leave the man alone, let him decide and leave the door open. If anyone on this team deserves this he does. I am more fearful of precedence for the FO and preseason training/conditioning than anything else. Your point it totally understood.

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by VanScottM on Jul 30, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just think that this team isn’t going to be very good this year and truth be told having Schobel here doesn’t really change that. i would rather Maybin get the extra playing time even if it is split with Torbor.

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by sireric on Jul 30, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

There are other teams with problems. Ravens just lost their starting CB and they were thin there before training camp. Texans also have secondary issues. San Diego has a few problms to resolve. Even the Pats have some issues. I am more optimistic about this season & truly believe the Bills will meet or exceed last year’s win total. I said before that there will be some surprise cuts & likely some additions when other eams make their cuts…happens every year.

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by lostlasvegan on Jul 30, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lucky for those teams

They can rush the passer

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by Kurupt on Jul 30, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to wonder if Schobel loses the ability to play starting OLB for the Bills as time passes. He’s going to be behind the other guys, no matter how much DE experience he has in his back pocket. Would Schobel be content riding the pine?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 30, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would Schobel be content riding the pine?

Definately Not. The thought of him rushing Tom Brady as a depth player, knowing his character, would be a welcome sight though. Aaron Schobel by himself is someone to key on. Aaron Shoebl motivated/pi$$ed angry or whatever is a level that we are not used to seeing. Your correct he would be behind the others, I like his recovery time though better than others. I just see his presence and role as all good. I can’t argue with seric’s point, it is valid. I just see this team as being better off with Aaron than without him.

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by VanScottM on Jul 30, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely better with Schobel. Good point about his mind-set if he’s forced to come off the bench.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 30, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Random Friday Night Lights quote.

“Gentlemen, the hopes and dreams of an entire town are riding on your shoulders. You may never matter again in your life as much as you do right now. "

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 30, 2010 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Friday Night Lights

Kinda like that show!

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by buffalobacker on Jul 30, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you been watching that show non-stop??

Or are those from the movie?

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by Kurupt on Jul 30, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

bills will also go 4-3 in some situations

schobel will have more opportunities for sacks in this D than previously…

more variable looks, he could have a solid 10 sack season if he is healthy.

i would expect at least that many with gailey’s focus on using the system
to play to players, as opposed to scheme’s strengths….

by simonpure on Jul 30, 2010 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Brian, do you think Calloway and Gaddis being on the third line is more of a motivational move

Or a situation where the Bills want to know what they have in the UDFAs before making further changes. I feel like it may be a motivational ploy myself, but then again, I don’t what we have in Howard and Allen.

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by WABillsfan on Jul 30, 2010 6:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I’ve no idea, but I’ll tell you, Howard’s a great athlete. Nice potential there.

by Brian Galliford on Jul 30, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

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