Bills Must Avoid Rookie Camp Holdouts
The Buffalo Bills made some positive waves earlier this off-season when, by June 16, the team had officially signed six of its nine 2010 NFL Draft picks to contracts. Fourth-round receiver Marcus Easley, fifth-round tackle Ed Wang, sixth-round linebackers Arthur Moats and Danny Batten, seventh-round quarterback Levi Brown and seventh-round guard Kyle Calloway all have rookie deals, and all will be reporting to training camp on time.
Getting rookies to camp on time was a severe problem for the Bills just a year ago. When 2009 training camp began, a whopping four rookies - end Aaron Maybin, guards Eric Wood and Andy Levitre, and safety Jairus Byrd - remained unsigned, held out, and missed the start of training camp. Wood, Levitre and Byrd were all signed just a few days after the start of camp, and all went on to have solid (or in some cases, spectacular) rookie seasons. Maybin, however, didn't have a contract in place until August 21 - nearly a month after camp began - and there's little question that his lack of preparation severely impacted him in his desolate rookie season.
With Bills training camp set to begin anew in just 23 days, three Bills rookies - first-round running back C.J. Spiller, second-round nose tackle Torell Troup and third-round defensive end Alex Carrington - remain unsigned. Getting deals in place for Troup and Carrington over the next three weeks shouldn't be a problem, but Spiller is another matter entirely.
Carrington was selected No. 72 overall in the third round. 13 third-round picks have already signed contracts to date, so the chances that Carrington will be in camp on time are excellent. The frameworks of a deal are becoming clearer, as the No. 70 overall pick, Baltimore TE Ed Dickson, signed a three-year, $1.2 million deal just last week (with a $900K signing bonus), while the No. 75 overall pick, Chicago S Major Wright, already has a four-year, $1.79 million deal in place (with an $848K signing bonus). Carrington will likely be the first of the three remaining unsigned rookies to get a deal; the real question here is whether he gets a three- or four-year deal. (Our guess is four, but we'll see.)
Troup was selected No. 42 overall in the second round. Very rarely do second-round picks hold out; the only reason Byrd and Levitre did a year ago was because Bills camp started a touch earlier than usual thanks to the team's participation in the 2009 Hall of Fame Game. Still, no second-round picks have been signed to this point, although Jets guard Vladimir Ducasse is reportedly close. Ducasse was selected No. 61 overall, however, so clearly, there's a lot of work to be done before the parameters on a possible Troup deal become clearer.
In 2009, the No. 9 overall pick, Green Bay NT B.J. Raji, did not sign his five-year, $22.9 million deal (with $17.7 million guaranteed) until August 13. The top of the first round a year ago was very muddled, with plenty of holdouts, thanks to the antics of 49ers receiver Michael Crabtree and his notorious agent, Eugene Parker. Crabtree, selected No. 10 overall (directly between Raji and Maybin), was looking for Top 5 money, which of course makes no sense, as he wasn't a Top 5 pick. He signed his six-year, $32 million deal on October 7, and appeared in just 11 games as a rookie.
The No. 9 overall pick in 2008, Cincinnati linebacker Keith Rivers, didn't have a deal in place until August 5, however. We've got to go back to 2007, when No. 9 overall pick Ted Ginn, Jr. signed his five-year deal on July 27, to converse about a No. 9 overall pick getting into his first training camp at a reasonable point in time.
Directly after the Bills selected Spiller in April, Jacksonville selected defensive tackle Tyson Alualu, who became the third defensive tackle selected. Alualu could be a key figure in Spiller's contract negotiations; as the third DT off the board, he can't exactly hold out for top DT money, but Ndamukong Suh (No. 2) and Gerald McCoy (No. 3) were selected so early that their contracts won't have much bearing on Alualu's figures. There's a very good chance that Alualu will be one of the first of the Top 15 to sign his deal, which could accelerate Spiller's negotiations.
More than three weeks away from the start of training camp, this isn't a pressing matter - not yet, anyway. But given the slow development of Maybin after his lengthy holdout a year ago, it is imperative that the Bills avoid repeating history here, particularly with a dynamic playmaker that is such a big part of the team's plans this year.
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Signing the other 6 was huge, but these 3 are going to be the most important, obviously… I think that Carrington and Troup will be signed well before camp and Spiller will be right there, or a few days late. I hope to god we dont have another Maybin-like holdout this year… that hurt Maybin alot.
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that hurt Maybin alot
Lets hope that is the only reason for Maybin’s lack of contribution. He did have the whole season to make some level of preseason impact but failed there as well. OTA’s and Training camp are so critical for these young guys yet still some of them can’t turn that corner. Waiting for Brian’s last two impact players of 2010 and who the #1 guy is. I don’t see Spiller holding out at all, but also signing within the week of the start of camp.
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No one can really say how much the hold out impacted Maybin. Did it help? Of course not, but we don’t know that it hurt. He very well could have had the same impact that he did if he came into camp on day one.
If there’s one position where it doesn’t make as much difference if you hold out it’s probably RB (at least among non-kickers).
He very well could have had the same impact that he did if he came into camp on day one.
Yes, but you can also say that the holdout hurt him without invalidating that claim. Both can be true simultaneously.
by Brian Galliford on Jul 6, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Coaching
I think what hurt Maybin even more is how coaches feel about rookies who holdout. Did you notice how little playing time he got even when the year was basically over.
True
But purposefully held out because of his hold out? Stunting your players growth as punishment? FO might be stupid, hopefully not that stupid. Bad enough he didn’t seem to contribute much last year.
by buffalobacker on Jul 7, 2010 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
I doubt Troup or Carrington will hold out. If they do, they’re crazy! Those deals should fall into place pretty soon, especially Carrington’s. Both guys come from smaller schools, especially Carrington again, so holding out would really set them back.
As we saw last year, hold outs can really hurt a player. Maybin, Andre Smith, and BJ Raji all had wasted first years buoyed by their holdouts. Michael Crabtree had a good year once he signed, but he missed a third of the season. In 2008, Derrick Harvey held out and has barely had an impact since. JaMarcus Russell held out and his career was a total waste, although that was probably going to happen whether he signed before the draft or when he did.
Another issue is the perception from teammates. I don’t remember there being any outspoken critics of Maybin last year, but I’m sure many players were thinking it. Jacksonville’s Mike Peterson said this about Harvey while he was holding out:
"He’s slotted. I have a hard time understanding what is the problem…To me, basically it’s how bad a guy wants to be in camp to take the high end of the slot or the low end or meet in the middle."
Obviously, vets don’t like seeing rookies do that unless it’s absolutely necessary. They understand it’s a biz, but they also realize that these guys haven’t done squat yet and need to be apart of the team ASAP. Gil Brandt’s agrees and finds the rookie holdout very risky:
NFL.com analyst Gil Brandt, a long-time personnel director for the Cowboys, said of rookie holdouts, "Any player who misses more than three days of camp is taking a serious risk".
Brandt added, "What rookies see at OTAs and minicamps doesn’t compare to what they see at training camp. Everything is accelerated 100 percent". Often rookie holdouts have proven Brandt’s words correct as injuries (hamstrings especially) and missed time often spell disaster to a rookie’s chances of making an impact in year one. A rookie holdout can also sometimes derail their entire NFL career before it even begins. This unfortunate fact was shown by the classic case of former Green Bay Packers offensive tackle Tony Mandarich, who held out for 43 days entering the 1990 NFL season and never really got the traction or learning needed to be a quality offensive lineman in the NFL. Mandarich was dominated from the start of his rookie year to the finish – only played in 9 offensive series — and was eventually released by the Packers after several disappointing seasons.
For Spiller, missing any training camp time might not hurt him as much because of the position he plays, but it will certainly hurt him in terms of speeding up his progress and gaining playing time from Jackson and maybe Lynch. If Spiller wants to not only be a major part of the O (which he should be regardless) right away and the main kick and/or punt returner, missing a chunk of camp isn’t going to help him achieve that. I hope he sees how the holdout can hurt his rookie year progress and potentially set him back permanently. Let’s hope he and the Bills can get the deal done by the end of July….
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by Kurupt on Jul 6, 2010 11:34 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The one thing that may motivate Spiller is that he’s viewed by many as a hybrid, and both RB and WR are loaded postions (loaded with bodies, at least). Missing time could really set back his ability to steal reps from others working the field.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 6, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Spiller holdout
I think you need to put it in terms to him of: well we have plenty of bodies at RB since good old marshmallow Lynch is still around and we also have Fred Jackson, so if you want to sit, it will only hurt you. Let him sit and get the others in first. We need bodies on the lines more than at RB.
it will certainly hurt him in terms of speeding up his progress and gaining playing time from Jackson and maybe Lynch. If Spiller wants to not only be a major part of the O (which he should be regardless) right away and the main kick and/or punt returner, missing a chunk of camp isn’t going to help him achieve that.holding out will only hurt his standing on the team and his number of reps. honestly of all the first round picks, he may have the least amount of leverage....
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by silverstreak3k on Jul 6, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
honestly of all the first round picks, he may have the least amount of leverage….
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by MattRichWarren on Jul 7, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe
but i think mcdaniels has a man crush on the kid, so i think tebow will get signed early. plus i doubt they think orton is the answer at qb for the long term. but as far as playing this year, you are right that tebow holds little leverage too.
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by silverstreak3k on Jul 7, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt Troup or Carrington will hold out. If they do, they’re crazy! Those deals should fall into place pretty soon, especially Carrington’s. Both guys come from smaller schools, especially Carrington again, so holding out would really set them back.
These guys have got to be happy with being selected where they were, and receiving a good value because of it. Let’s hope the agents feel the same, and not that these guys were “need” positions, thus creating leverage for them to jack the price, by forcing the club to recognize that they want them there on time, and gotta pay to do so. That said, pay them whatever, it isn’t that much, and we really do need them. HA HA
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Holdout predictions
My guess is that Suh and McCoy will holdout the longest waiting to see who will want to get more $ since they are playing similar positions. The Rams will probably have Bradford signed by training camp so he doesn’t miss anytime as he is penciled in to start (unlike codiene syrup boy Russell from 3 years ago, where it took him to the first part of the season to finally sign… what a joke he is!)
I would guess Bryant will be a long holdout too (like Crabtree last year) and will want starter money or something.
Finally whichever rookie that has Eugene Parker as their agent (I wonder if it will be any of the OT’s taken?) will be a long holdout too.
Spiller… signs on Day 6 of training camp.
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You cannot draft a dynamic playmaker to play the role of holdout.
This organization must make it clear how important it is for Spiller to be here from the onset of camp.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 6, 2010 12:53 PM EDT reply actions
What do Arrelious Benn, Jimmy Clausen, Everson Griffen, Taylor Mays, Jason Taylor, Dwight Freeney, Terrell Suggs, Keith Bulluck, Antonio Cromartie, Elvis Dumervil, Darren Sproles
and C.J. Spiller have in common?
interesting link
it seems as though spiller has found himself an agent that likes to suggest holding out. spiller missing time will not hurt the bills that much. before everyone throws tomatoes at me, hear me out. hes a rb/wr hybrid. whereas he will be splitting out wide, most of his time will be taken up in the back field and returning duties. it has been said over and over, the rb position is the easiest to transition in the NFL. add in the fact that the bills already employ Lynch and Jackson, and i really dont see any kind of problem here. (and yes, obviously i want him to sign and be there day one, but dont count me as one of the ones saying that the sky is falling if he misses the first week or so)
and talking about failed holdouts and what it does to slow down or stop progress, look no further than brady quinn….
troup and carrington on the other hand….they need to get signed and be there from day one.
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by silverstreak3k on Jul 6, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree
First round pick who hasn’t played in one NFL game. The players in the league are not intimidated by Spiller at all. He hasn’t played yet. He needs to lead by example and earn the respect of his teammates by getting his butt in camp when it opens or within a day or two at the latest. If he performs well then he can hold out for a new contract ie C.Johnson and others.
Your right in the fact that the sky will not be falling but the message he sends to his teammates in year one is a leadership message and holding out is the wrong message. Next he must perform and earn the right to hold out. Almost the exact opposite of Aaron Maybin.
it has been said over and over, the rb position is the easiest to transition in the NFL. Yes it has been said over and over on this site. There is such a thing as an elite RB and they are rare. The Bills are on the door step of having one of those elite RB’s. By the end of the season we should see the difference in Spiller Vs Jackson and Lynch, a hold out will only slow that process down and the potential offensive leader this team craves until a franchise QB is in contract.
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ehhh
i think if you are looking for the rookie RB to be the leader on offense, then you have a dysfunctional offense, which obviously the bills do. all of the teammates always back a new player (or any player really) when it comes to contract negotiations. i doubt any of them will fault spiller for holding out (unless its a crabtree or brady type holdout). i think the least of his worries with the contract situation will be what the other players think of him. his biggest fear is losing training camp time means that he will lose touches in the regular season, and thats a personal issue with him. if he wants to be an integral part of the offense, then he knows he needs to be at camp, otherwise there are two highly efficient RB ready to take his reps away. like i said, hes got like no leverage.
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by silverstreak3k on Jul 6, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
i think the least of his worries with the contract situation will be what the other players think of him.
The best thing Spiller can do for the team initially is to get to camp on time. Work on the offense and learn the nuances of the NFL right from the beginning. Nobody likes distractions, the coaches or the players. All unions prohibit members for bad mouthing fellow members about certain things such as contracts but trust me all hold outs have an impact on everyone, coaches, players and fans. His play on the field will earn him leadership qualities in due time, getting to camp will earn him respect immediately. C.J. is a high character guy he has proven this already in his college career. A deal will get done and it will be a good one.
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McClain
Should help that Rolando McClain is saying he won’t be a training camp holdout… assuming that works out for him.
As I’ve tried to explain in the past, Spiller holding out of camp is going to be a bigger deal than Lynch missing OTAs. While its not a given Spiller will hold out, I think its dang close to be being so. Lynch will have plenty of time to make up ground and make a good impression on the coaches while Spiller is missing time. Lynch is also a veteran, and Spiller will have a tougher adjustment period when he does get into camp. Top ten picks are very hard to get into camp on time, especially when they come with the playmaking pedigree of a CJ Spiller. I’m curious how patient the fanbase will be with Spiller if/when he holds out? I can only hope the kids good personality and make-up can help him override his agents advice.
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None of that is relevant
Until he actually, ya know, is a holdout….
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how is it not?
Brian discussed the importance of the Bills getting all their guys into camp and not having a holdout. During the piece, Brian noted that top ten picks have a recent history of being holdouts (or at least recent no. 9 picks). I’m simply offering my thoughts on what would happen if he did hold out, which I believe would be a slip down the depth chart for Spiller, and my opinion that it is very likely to happen. The Bills didnt want to trade Lynch for anything less than a second. Doesn’t that imply the brass views him as a guy who can be a great player for a team and thus worth such a high pick? If they think that highly of him they’ll probably be willing to give him a shot if he gets the chance to prove it. Spiller being the no. 2 RB or the no. 3 RB has the potential to change the entire face of our offense and if he misses time, especially with a new coaching staff wanting to implement and teach their playbook as soon as possible, his role could reduce significantly and thus so does our ability to utilize his unique skill sets.
Not sure how its not relevant to speculate on the impact of his holding out in a comments section of a piece about Spiller being our most likely potential hold out?
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by poz on Jul 6, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The comparison to Lynch's missed time
is what I was referring to. Maybe “relevant” was the wrong choice of words.
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
perhaps
thats a fair point. I clearly am a fan of Marshawns after all, but I thought it was relevant because we seem so certain around here that Marshawn is a clear cut 3 due to his missing time. If Spiller holds out he’ll damage his stranding on the depth chart far worse, I believe. To the detriment of the Bills even more perhaps, given how unique his style is compared to both Fred and Lynch and his versatility in the passing game where we are going to need him to fulfill roles left vacant by the lack of a true no. 2 WR.
If this blog wasn’t PG I’m sure you could have found the proper choice of words to describe what you were referring to though :)
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by poz on Jul 6, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha
Relevant was definitely the wrong choice of words after I’ve thought about it. Oops, my bad. I can’t think today, it’s 103 degrees and humid. I just think that until Spiller actually does hold out, the comparison to Lynch’s time away, the potential for Lynch to gain back PT and basically Lynch’s role in general are back burner type issues. Unless Spiller misses a few weeks of camp, I don’t think his PT will be impacted all that much, nor do I believe Lynch stands to benefit.
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
ya, the 103 degrees is outrageous. If I’m not mistaken your a New York City man, correct? I lived for a year in NYC (probably be going back soon too) and I know from experience that come summertime, it feels about ten degrees hotter in NYC than anywhere else.
Lets all hope that Spiller doesnt miss a few weeks. On the plus side, we know for sure that Maybin will be there the whole time, so maybe he’ll do something this year!
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by poz on Jul 6, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Shut the league down
Sq last year the 9th pickgot 17mil guaranteed yet never played a professional game at that point.THIS IS A PROBLEM.Foot ball fans need to wake up .This is rediculous behavior reminds me of pre 2008 wallstreet or the UAW .
You mean the NFL needs to wake up
Foot ball fans need to wake up
When the rookies are allowed to hold out for bigger contracts and in many cases get them, it’s not really their fault. It’s the system’s fault. There’s no way Sam Bradford (probably) should be making more money than some of the best QB’s already established in the league. The fans know this. The vets know this. The rookies surely know this. But until the system is changed, there’s nothing to prevent rookies from getting exorbitant deals.
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"There’s no way Sam Bradford (probably) should be making more money"
So true but the NFLPA likes it that way, they figure the more the rookies make the more the vets will eventually get. To me it seems the rookies keep getting more and only a small % of vets get the large contracts.
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by MattRichWarren on Jul 7, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
The rookies get the contracts, the vets get cut. “Here, we’ll pay you a boatload before we’ve seen you play in our league. Invest wisely though, as you’re likely to be cut when your performance doesn’t match your net worth.” “It’s okay, if you last in the league, you’ll make enough to stick around on our payroll, but leave us enough to sign more unproven, overmatched rookies!”
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 7, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to stir the mess in the pot already left behind by last decade's dinner...
but i’m curious to see how difficult it would be for Buffalo to agree to terms with a top 3 pick next season, especially if that pick is a QB or LT. We all clamor for the next big thing, but having that thing agree and feel compensated by this organization might not prove as easy as drafting them.
Thinking about this really has me hopeful that one of these QBs—one of these LTs on the roster, will pan out.
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