News Is Good On Spiller Contract Negotiations
by Brian Galliford on Jul 8, 2010 8:54 AM EDT
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PrintJust this past Tuesday, we spent a portion of our day talking about the remaining unsigned Buffalo Bills rookies, headlined, of course, by No. 9 overall pick C.J. Spiller. After seeing two first-round draft picks - safety Donte Whitner and linebacker Aaron Maybin - remain unsigned until at least August 5 in their respective rookie seasons, Bills fans are understandably nervous about the Bills getting their latest first-round pick into the fold early.
It's still early - we remain three weeks away from the start of Bills training camp - but to this point, signs are encouraging that Spiller will be signed sooner rather than later.
First and foremost, Spiller himself mentioned in a July 6 interview with USA Today that his agent, Gary Wichard, planned to begin discussions with the Bills "in the next week or two." Spiller also notes that they plan to use slotting for last year's No. 9 overall pick, Green Bay NT B.J. Raji, as a starting point in the negotiations. As MattRichWarren pointed out on March 2, Spiller is likely to sign a deal in the neighborhood of five years and $26.1 million, with between $18 million and $20 million in guarantees.
Last night, Mary Kay Cabot of The Cleveland Plain Dealer reported that the agent for 2010 No. 7 overall pick, Browns cornerback Joe Haden, plans to begin negotiations with Cleveland next week in an effort to get Haden into camp by their July 31 start date (rookies report a day or two earlier than veterans).
The ball is starting to roll on the first-round negotiation process, which is good news, considering how much time we've still got to get through before camp starts.
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I wonder what effect Ryan Matthews will have on Spiller. My first instinct is to assume that Spiller won’t sign until the RB taken 12th overall does. It would look pretty bad for Spiller’s agent if Matthews gets better incentives or something. But they’re also really different types of players. Matthews should get more PT than Spiller this year, so maybe Spiller wouldn’t want a similiar incentive structure in his deal. It’s tough to speculate, but Matthews will certainly be a factor in the timing of a Spiller contract.
I wonder if the Jags will try to lowball Tyson Alualu. They’re not exactly one of the bigger cash flow teams and Alualu was projected to go much, much lower than 10th overall.
SFC: Were you excited about Clausen dropping to the Bills pick? Or did you have a feeling that the Bills wouldn’t pick him anyway?
Galliford: Both, like when that hot chick waves at someone she knows standing behind you.
What is the success rate for players bucking the system.
Michael Crabtree and Aaron Maybin, how did their hold outs benefit them financially? I mean this is the reason why players hold out. How often does it work. Signing bonus is huge I am sure but still a system is in place.
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i believe
crabtree got a lil more than he was supposed to, but that was mitigated by the fact that he missed out on like 5 game checks by not playing….so yea
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by silverstreak3k on Jul 8, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
April 22
That was the date that all these first-rounders were selected. It is now July and their agents are discussing the possibility of discussing contracts within the next week. I understand they have to wait for many other draftees to sign and what not, but couldn’t they get a bit more of a jumpstart on negotiations than to wait til mid-July to even start negotiations?
exactly my thoughts
while reading this. IMO the signing “exercise” is all the more reason for a rookie salary system. Both sides are at fault with greed being the common denominator.
The future ain't what it used to be - Yogi Berra
Good news on the Spiller front – I would be really impressed by the FO if they can get everyone signed and on camp on time. That would be a great departure from the last regime.
I thinnk it puts an emphasis on concentrating on football and doing your job. I also tend to think that guys like Crabtree or even Maybin last year really make themselves look foolish and I highly doubt both sides of a contract negotiation are that far off – but what do I know.
on a separate note – does anyone else think that Lebron James having a 1 hour special tonight for his choice of a team is possibly the most narcissistic thing a sports athlete has ever done?
We got the tools, We got the talent
Disagree. Lebron is in the entertainment business. It’s unfortunate that sports is what it is today, but that’s a different question all together.
Is this narcissistic? No. Teams in all sports promote and advertise themselves any way they can to raise brand awareness in the effort to sell more tickets and goods. Why should an athlete NOT treat himself the same way? He is his own corporation. More pro athletes should go this route if they can, as it will only be good for them and their team in the end.
Think of a actor going to his movie premier. Is that narcissistic? How about when they go on Late Night tv shows? Morning news programs?
It’s showbiz baby. Money talks. Fools walk!
interesting take – but I completely disagree.
It’s business for actors to do that becuase generally it’s the first time they get to see the movie finalized. So that’s much different.
To me – he’s an idiot and about to lose a lot of fans. But that’s just my opinion
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on Jul 8, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
Do like I do. Didn’t waste my time watching his announcement. Could really not care less. People must follow him, otherwise no audience. My GF is huge NBA fan, she thought it was silly. But can’t blame guy if networks choose to make it news!
by buffalobacker on Jul 9, 2010 4:25 AM EDT up reply actions
on a separate note – does anyone else think that Lebron James having a 1 hour special tonight for his choice of a team is possibly the most narcissistic thing a sports athlete has ever done?
Yes. Im so sick of him its unreal… and this TV special? Pathetic IMO.
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Yes
it is narcissistic.
Then again, he is a multi-million dollar cottage industry all on his own. There’s probably as much money at stake as Tiger Woods’ post-adultery press conference :P
I also tend to think that guys like Crabtree or even Maybin last year really make themselves look foolish
i think it is the agent that does the bargaining, and last year, it seemed at least, that everyone took a long time to sign. We need the players selected around our guys to sign in order to “know their value”. this is 90% of the reason i support a rookie cap. Tell em what they will make, and let them renegotiate later
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it is the agent – but that doesn’t mean that they aren’t more or less slotted from last years with a 15% (or whatever number) increase based off of draft position and playing position.
I’m sure none of us know – but I wonder what the difference was between Maybin or Crabtrees multiple contracts were and if it was so substantial to ultimately make it worth the time they missed for the season as far as prepratation and what not.
I bet it’s not much at all
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on Jul 8, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
if it was so substantial to ultimately make it worth the time they missed for the season as far as prepratation and what not.
I bet it’s not much at all
I bet that the dollar amount gained, relative to the exact time missed, in hours, would have meant that for that specific timeframe, they made thousands per hour, versus thousands for a game. so ultimately, if you look at it from the scumbag view (which the agent may be more inclined towards, as their profits come only from contract signings) that it is in the players interest to play well when the team needs them too, and that they basically got through the season, with a full years salary, with minimal effort and growth.
Some people may find this “worth” it.
Now that isn’t to say that it is in their best interest long term to “holdout” or for them to not get themselves to camp, or in by preseason. But when you are looking at guys in the first round, who are making a huge payday without ever even playing a snap, what is the relative cost to them in reality? I feel like some of them believe its worth it.
Remember also that people were throwing around Bruce’s name a lot in reference to what the fanbase and staff hoped for Maybin to be for our defense in the future. So that coupled with his selection status, afforded him opportunity to try and land the best payday he could.
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it’s not like i don’t know htat. what we don’t know is how much they gain by holding out – i would assume the first 1 or 2 contracts they go back and forth they probably make some good head way – but once you get to a point the wiggle room is much shorter and i’m sure the timing of that happens around the start of training camp. after that point i’m not sure they gain as much as some think
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on Jul 9, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
chill
not insulting your intelligence. trying to present the info in a RELATIVE manner, as your question or statement really was related to “worth”. i am just putting out there that the relative hours they miss could be outweighed by another “point” something million dollars. if it means another 250k, and they miss two weeks of minicamps of 8 hours on 4 days for a total of 64 hours in order to get that quarter million, they made approx 4grand an hour to sit around.
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Last night, Mary Kay Cabot of The Cleveland Plain Dealer reported that the agent for 2010 No. 7 overall pick, Browns cornerback Joe Haden, plans to begin negotiations with Cleveland next week in an effort to get Haden into camp by their July 31 start date (rookies report a day or two earlier than veterans).
Thats it Brian, teal my fanshots and turn them into front page stories ;-)
Dear God,
If we give you Justin Bieber, can you please give us back Kurt Cobain?
Amen
by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 8, 2010 2:31 PM EDT reply actions
steal, not teal.
Dear God,
If we give you Justin Bieber, can you please give us back Kurt Cobain?
Amen
by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 8, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m just not up as late as you.
And to answer your question, hell no.
by Brian Galliford on Jul 8, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
lol it`s cool. And for the record I’ll never get up as early as you. All those 7 and 8am posts of mine can be blamed on not sleeping at all… or on my 2 year old who likes to wake up at ungodly hours.
Dear God,
If we give you Justin Bieber, can you please give us back Kurt Cobain?
Amen
by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 8, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
sleep?
who needs sleep? you will see my posts at every hour of the day.
That said… to answer your question
HELL YEAH…. Justin Beiber would be an even trade, that demon spawn that he is… haha (just kidding really; he is a talented enough kid i am sure. if you consider teeny bopper crap pop to require talent. he CAN dance. but that is to lure you in… probably learned it from Papa… hahahaha. man that’s probably too far. ah well…. )
; )
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I am sure Kurt Cobain is happier dead.......doesn't have to deal with Courtney Love anymore :-)
"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown
touche
agreed. that “B” is nuts.
but you know, um….. Hell? At least if you or he was Catholic. Unless, unless i say, she did it. And then its to Hell for her… which i don’t wish on anyone either way. It’s a crap situation. My only hope is that there is a loophole for truly tormented people, because otherwise that is like being born on a planet of open plains, with no vegetation and a million unfed lions who only want to eat you. Kinda set up to lose…. like Trent Edwards. OH! lol
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I love how an entire convo has been started over my new tungue in cheek sig.
Dear God,
If we give you Justin Bieber, can you please give us back Kurt Cobain?
Amen
by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 8, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
PS I have an entire series planed. Jonas brothers for Hendrix, Spears for Joaplin, etc etc etc
Dear God,
If we give you Justin Bieber, can you please give us back Kurt Cobain?
Amen
by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 8, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
And why hell no? Your disapointing me Brian. Why on earth would you prefer bieber to Cobain?
Dear God,
If we give you Justin Bieber, can you please give us back Kurt Cobain?
Amen
by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 8, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t. But the Internet would melt without Bieber.
by Brian Galliford on Jul 8, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I have know idea who this Bieber is.....and yet, I live a very happy life :-)
"I’m not sure if I disagree with this being the logic behind Nix’s decisions or if I disagree with this logic if it is what lead Nix to address the positions he did, but I definitely disagree with something." - kaisertown
you live a HAPPIER life.
first time i have ever wished to be Canadian right there. if you are bieber free that is…. haha.
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I DETEST Bieber. Think that he’s an emblum of everything that is wrong with music today. Don’t get me wrong the kid is talented. But he’s a product threw and threw. Music should be an art form, not a product.
Dear God,
If we give you Justin Bieber, can you please give us back Kurt Cobain?
Amen
by CanadianBillsFan on Jul 8, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
wow – couldn’t agree more.
most of the music artists are considered underground and rarely get good playing time. the products do – which is why i never listen to the radio becuase they play the same crap over and over. it’s a shame really
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on Jul 9, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
oh, and canadian...
which i thought you had said or implied before.
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Didn’t Crabtree and Jason Peters have the same agent? What a tool. At least C.J.’s agent appears to be relying on common sense to get this deal done!
"This is what happens Larry!, This is what happens! "-Walter Sobchak" "Did we give up when the germans bombed pearl harbor!!??"-John Belushi
by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Jul 8, 2010 2:54 PM EDT reply actions
I just realized my comment might get striked for calling that guy a tool, but I just couldn’t help myself;)
"This is what happens Larry!, This is what happens! "-Walter Sobchak" "Did we give up when the germans bombed pearl harbor!!??"-John Belushi
by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Jul 8, 2010 2:56 PM EDT reply actions
Sorry
but I just think this whole process is asinine. When I read this the blunt realization that football is a business dominantly more than it is a sport hits me and disappoints me. Rookies should be in the fray ASAP, not waiting til mid-to-late July for their overpaid agents to start discussing terms. This is ridiculous, you had a good college career but you’re a newbie in the NFL and should have to prove yourself before holding out to ice a big money contract (no offense to Spiller, I know he is a standup guy and a great player).
true
but it’s too late now.
"This is what happens Larry!, This is what happens! "-Walter Sobchak" "Did we give up when the germans bombed pearl harbor!!??"-John Belushi
by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Jul 8, 2010 3:00 PM EDT reply actions
Hey as long as Spiller isn't represented
by Eugene Parker I like our negotiation chances
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
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