More on Maybin

by Ron From NM on Aug 10, 2010 11:41 AM EDT

Aaron Maybin’s recent internet statement has inspired a fair amount of chatter on a couple of different threads. It got me thinking (always dangerous) so I decided to put together the stats for the 2009 first rounders in order to see if Maybin was the only non-factor to come out of the initial 32 picks. I added in ESPN’s unofficial depth chart info—it’s unofficial to the point that Schobel still appears on Buffalo’s roster. The stats are from the NFL.com website. Here is the full list of 2009 first rounders:

1. Stafford--starting QB: 2367 yards, 13 TDs, 20 INTs

2. Jason Smith--starting RT: 5 starts, played in 8 games

3. Tyson Jackson--starting DE: 38 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles, 0 INTs

4. Curry--starting LB: 61 tackles, 2 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 0 INTs

5. Sanchez--starting QB: 2444 yards, 12 TDs, 20 INTs

6. Andre Smith--starting RT: 1 start, played in 6 games

7. Heyward-Bey--starting WR: 9 Rec, 124 yards, 1 TD

8. Monroe--starting LT: 13 starts, played in 15 games

9. Raji—second string DT: 25 tackles, 1 sacks, 0 forced fumbles, 0 INTs

10. Crabtree--starting WR: 48 Rec, 625 yards, 2 TD

11. Maybin—second string LB: 18 tackles, 0 sacks, 1 forced fumbles, 0 INTs

12. Moreno—second string RB: 247 carries, 947 yards, 7 TDs

13. Orakpo--starting OLB: 50 tackles, 11 sacks, 1 forced fumbles, 0 INTs

14. Jenkins—nickle CB: 55 tackles, 0 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 1 INTs

15. Cushing—starting LB: 133 tackles, 4 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 4 INTs

16. English—second string LB: 36 tackles, 2 sacks, 1 forced fumbles, 0 INTs

17. Freeman—starting QB: 1855 yards, 10 TDs, 18 INTs

18. Ayers—starting LB: 19 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles, 0 INTs

19. Maclin—starting WR: 56 Rec, 773 yards, 4 TD

20. Pettigrew—starting TE: 30 Rec, 346 yards, 2 TD

21. Mack—starting C: 16 starts, played in 16 games

22. Harvin—second string WR: 60 Rec, 790 yards, 6 TD

23. Oher—starting RT: 16 starts, played in 16 games

24. Jerry—second string DT: 1 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles, 0 INTs

25. Vontae Davis—starting CB: 51 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles, 4 INTs

26. Clay Matthews—starting LB: 51 tackles, 10 sacks, 1 forced fumbles, 0 INTs

27. Donald Brown—second string RB: 78 carries, 281 yards, 3 TDs

28. Eric Wood—starting RG: 10 starts, played in 10 games

29. Nicks—starting WR: 47 Rec, 790 yards, 6 TD

30. Britt—second string WR: 42 Rec, 701 yards, 3 TD

31. Wells—second string RB: 176 carries, 793 yards, 7 TDs

32. E Hood—second string DE: 8 tackles, 1 sacks, 0 forced fumbles, 0 INTs

The players who didn’t represent an immediate return on investment:

6. Andre Smith: broke his foot pretty much right after ending his holdout

7. Heyward-Bey: another very strange Al Davis pick

11. Maybin: unhappiness with how he’s viewed by fans aside…

18. Ayers: oddly enough, a lot of us thought the Bills would take Ayers

24. Jerry: lost for the year in game 2

32: E Hood: not much to say here

It’s interesting to me that four of the six first round players who didn’t contribute much were on the defensive side of the ball. Three of them were defensive linemen (Ayers plays LB) and three of them were more or less healthy in 2009 (Jerry lost for year). Dropping Jerry from the mix—because he didn’t produce through no fault of his own—we’re left with Maybin, Ayers and Hood. Ayers wound up in McDaniel’s doghouse though I don’t recall why. It resulted in Ayers being benched and, thus, missing time. I don’t recall seeing Mayin or Hood being associated with unhappy coaches. Frustrated with their lack of progress, perhaps, but not angry.

As an aside, I’m also kind of surprised that only 6 of the 32 players selected in the first round didn’t produce in their initial season. True, some of the stats above aren’t exactly impressive—and if the players don’t improve they’ll eventually be labeled as busts. For example, if Jason Smith never becomes a very good LT he’ll be called a bust simply because the first tackle off the board isn’t supposed to be a career RT.

To swing this back to Maybin, he’s one of the few 2009 first rounders to have no impact. He’s entering the first preseason game as part of the second team, never mind that Schobel has been released. Opportunity banged on the door again when Kelsay missed significant camp time due to injury. The stars have aligned for Maybin (high draft status, injuries to other LBs) and he hasn’t taken advantage. This isn’t a make-or-break year for Maybin. It is his chance to show something, anything that will justify his selection--not #11 overall but just being picked.

To my way of thinking Aaron Maybin has nothing to chirp about until he does.

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Nice title.....subliminal message there :-)

Still can’t believe we passed on Oher. At this point, I don’t care if Maybin plays as a situational pass rusher as long as he gets pressure when he does play. If that makes him a bust, so be it. Nothing can be done about it. Add him to the list.

If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.

by Joe P. on Aug 10, 2010 12:14 PM EDT reply actions

You have to just snicker at the numbers Sanchez put up. Jets fans think their team is made to win the SB. I think that kid has to have a MAJOR jump this season. They made the playoffs in spite of him, and drove through them because of him.

So as the above has been a bit off-topic, i’ll bring it back by saying that if Maybin busts, it’ll be less damaging to the organization as a whole.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 10, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions

The Jets got stronger, at least on paper, this off season

they will have to relay less on Sanchez than they did last season. If Sanchez can avoid trying to be a star and plays within the offense, he will be fine.

Since we have a new regime, they are not as attached to the players drafted by the old staff. Busts are more likely to get their walking papers if they can’t produce. The damage is still done, but the pressure to hold onto them is much less allowing the new staff to move on from that player much quicker than the old regime could.

by Joe P. on Aug 10, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions

If Sanchez can avoid trying to be a star and plays within the offense, he will be fine.

There’s another F-word i’m hoping we can associate with Sanchez, and Maybin can help: Flustered.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 10, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions

“The Jets got stronger, at least on paper…” If it was 2006 then I could agree with that.

Keepin' the faith!

by nickdaniels on Aug 10, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, I can’t necessarily agree that adding a WR suspended 4 games, who also was second in the league in drops is an added strength. Nor is giving up on Thomas Jones for a tired Tomlinson.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 10, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions

might was well throw in Cromartie....we will see how tired they are when the season starts

So he misses 4 games….what about the other 12? Or is he going to drop every pass? The drops didn’t seem to stop TO fever from spreading like wild fire last season. Tomlinson will not be the workhorse, he will make an impact if he stays healthy. The man is a proven RB with playoff experience. Ooooooo….don’t forget Taylor. Anyone want to bet who gets more sacks….Maybin or Taylor? Comments like these are homerism at its finest. Have we really sunken to the level where we are so envious of the moves the other team makes that we dismiss them out of hand as bad moves. Maybe I would have more vitriol for the Jets if the Bills were also built to win now.

by Joe P. on Aug 10, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions

fair is fair

I can’t stand the Jets and am sick already of their obnoxious coach, but Sanchez shocked everyone by having a very good playoffs last season, completing a number of key passes and showing some much-needed leadership. Give the kid his due. I wish Trent had some of his swagger.

by ccthemovieman on Aug 10, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions

I can’t stand the Jets and am sick already of their obnoxious coach

I know a lot of people here do – but i’m on the opposite side. I think he’s hilarious

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Aug 10, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Ryan is crazy like a fox......looking forward to watching Hardknocks

by Joe P. on Aug 10, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions

I love the fact that his unabashed love for Revis is going to cost that franchise dearly. Well, that and the Raiders for being the Raiders.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 11, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions

This has been tried

Big egos together to look good on paper. Who does this remind me of? Oh yes! How many times have the Redskins tied that? They failed completely every time. Now, maybe fat boy..errr…Rex Ryan can force them to mesh but I doubt it. The team concept beats individual talent every time.

Cornell Green to C.J. Spiller-
"You’re all clear, kid! Now let’s win this thing and go home!"

by TexasBillsFanatic on Aug 10, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions

what if you have both???? Ooooooooooo Noooooooo

Maybe we better wait for the Jets to…you know….actually start losing games before we pronounce them done for.

by Joe P. on Aug 10, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions

And maybe we’d better wait for them to actually win some games before we crown them AFC or SuperBowl champ.

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by thefourwinds on Aug 10, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions

where did I crown them anything?

I said they got stronger on paper

by Joe P. on Aug 10, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Shouldn’t we also wait for them to start winning games before we put them at the top of the rock?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 11, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions

again.....where did I say that?

by Joe P. on Aug 11, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Did you honestly just imply my comment was homerism? Really? Please don’t do that, especially when the Jets are the topic at hand. I have no envy for the Jets. That team is in a heap of trouble with Revis’ situation. They went heavy in FA—haven’t been able to build too much in-house talent. There is no way they’re able to maintain that team’s payroll over too many seasons. They surprised some people last season, and not because of their QB. This will be a tough season for them, and if they get back to the playoffs with their schedule, i’ll admit they made some wise moves.

I just can’t sit here and say that signing Tomlinson after dumping Thomas Jones was the right move. Perhaps Jones would have refused a reduced role, but Tomlinson at this point in his career is not as dominant as Jones.

The Jets are looking to play ball the same way the Redskins have. Beta1.0 has failed. Let’s see what Beta2.0 does before we annoint them the best team in the AFC.

Super Bowl. It’s going to take a lot for them to become “Broadway Joe Redeux.”

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 11, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions

Revis is one player. He can and will be replaced

I never said the Jets were build for the long haul, but they are built to win this season. I don’t think you surprised anyone in the playoffs, especially a hungry team like the Bengals and a veteran team like the Chargers.

Again, all I said was the Jets looked better on paper.

by Joe P. on Aug 11, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions

Thank you, Ron!

I don’t know if a comment I made elsewhere helped prompt this, but i’m excited to digest it all a little bit.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 10, 2010 12:15 PM EDT reply actions

To be honest (and stick with your turn of phrase) it makes me a little queasy to see that Buffalo is one of the few teams not to get a contributor from the first round of the 2009 draft. Maybin was billed as ‘boom or bust’ when he was drafted—which made him a strange choice for Jauron, who needed a sure thing to help save his job.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Aug 10, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions

So you’re thinking he may only be one of those things, boom or bust? You don’t necessarily think the roses are blooming for him to boom? He’s already shown us his true colors? I hope not. I really hope not, but I see what you mean, if you do mean it that way.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 10, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions

Nope, he could be merely an adequate player. He was billed as ‘boom or bust’ in the draft, though. He was seen as a player with tremendous upside but without enough history to judge if he was going to be able to tap into it.

The stars have aligned for Maybin with one exception (CHIX didn’t draft him). He’s a young player learning a new defense along with a lot of other players. The coaches have no loyalty to any of the guys on the roster other than the ones they drafted. Schobel, the team’s only credible pass rusher, is gone and Kelsay was hurt. With all of those things going for him Maybin has yet to lock down a starting role.

I hope Maybin emerges in preseason and spends 40+ snaps a game on the field during the regular season. 640+ plays ought to let him demonstrate his abilities. Besides, if he can step into Schobel’s role and get, say, 1 sack per 50 snaps he’d finish the year in double digits.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Aug 10, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions

it makes me a little queasy to see that Buffalo is one of the few teams not to get a contributor from the first round of the 2009 draft

I was under the impression that E. Wood was and will continue to be a a major contributor.

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by Superduff on Aug 10, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Indeed, he was. Wood wasn’t included in the list of 2009 first rounders who didn’t have an impact.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Aug 10, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions

I dont see a whole lot of production form alot of this draft.

Tyson Jackson 38 Tckl as a starter thats weak
Raji – I know being a nose is a hard job but those numbers dont speak in volumes
Ayers – Weak
Even Curry who i wished had fallen to the Bills put up bad numbers for a starting LB

But lets talk about guys it would have been nice to see us draft how about Mack the starting Centre screw hangartner, Oher clearly, Clay Matthews would have been a nice addition, Percy Harvin, Cushing a ton of players really hahahahah It would have been so easy to transition to a 3-4 if we had of taken an actual LB last season Screw the Jauron regime Srew you

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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 10, 2010 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

Cushing had help last season. He’ll deny it, but it’s there.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 10, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Buffalo did take a LB last year…..just didn’t know it at the time. And Cushing’s suspension is well deserved. His future wife has to hope that he didn’t do any permanent damage to himself….

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Aug 10, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Rec'd. Take a look more closely and feel sorry for the teams ahead of us.

I agree. Taking a look at this draft again and I do not feel so bad about the Maybin pick. Looking at picks before Maybin, it is not very pretty. Jason Smith with 5 starts (pretty crappy for a 2nd pick). I remember seeing a game with him benched on the pine. Tyson Jackson with 38 tackles (not exactly what the Chiefs had in mind). Eddie Curry needs a lot more than 61 tackles for a starting LB in the NFL. There was even a whole expose on Curry where he stated that he had a very average rookie season and he really needs to step up this year. Andre Smith (bust, need I say more). Heyward-Bey (laughable stats but first year WR’s are hard to come by). Monroe (13 starts, but my Dad lives in Jax and says that he almost got benched due to poor play). Raji (not quite as dominant in games as what was touted prior to the draft; I watched GB a lot and barely saw him on the field).

by Long Beach Bills Fan on Aug 10, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions

His future wife has to hope that he didn’t do any permanent damage to himself…

Haha

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Aug 10, 2010 2:48 PM EDT reply actions

You make a compelling case for a rookie pay limit

Good post, rec’d. Quite a few underperformers there. Now show the pay deals that each signed, and MOST of them look like underperformers. So, while grumpy fans can in hindsight harp on who we could have picked, the old regime could have picked a different underachiever instead of Maybin, just as likely.

Maybin was a bad pick NOT because he has underperformed, but because he was risky. The rookie payscale is way out of whack, so you can’t gamble. If he turns into a pro-bowler, the pick will still be bad. This is why taking QB at 9th this year would have been a bad idea.

by Sixteenthback on Aug 10, 2010 4:54 PM EDT reply actions

Good Post

Rec’d.

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by buffalobacker on Aug 11, 2010 12:18 AM EDT reply actions

I'd like to point out...

…that Mark Sanchez had similar numbers to the quarterbacks of the Detroit Lions and Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

That is all.

Pats Pulpit

by Richard Hill on Aug 11, 2010 3:16 PM EDT reply actions

No....I am afraid I am going to have to ask for a little more than that

What is your point? That rookie QBs who start usually don’t play particularly well in their first season? And that play is somehow an indication of how their career will turn out? Let’s look at a few rookie years:

Sanchez—starting QB: 2444 yards, 12 TDs, 20 INTs
Troy Aikman 1749 9 18
John Elway 1663 7 14

No….that can’t be it.

by Joe P. on Aug 11, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions

No, I'm just wondering where the praise for Stafford and Freeman is...

…when they had similar numbers to Sanchez. Every Jets fan is heralding Sanchez as the answer, when he really hasn’t shown anything more than the other bottom-feeding quarterbacks drafted with him.

Pats Pulpit

by Richard Hill on Aug 11, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Hey Stafford IMO

Is going to end up being the MAN out of last years rookie QB’s. Anyone remember that play against the Browns?

by mob16151 on Aug 11, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions

I love watching that Mic'd Up piece.

And I’m more referring to their teams as “bottom feeders” and not the quarterbacks. As of right now, they’ve all shown pretty much the same things- except Sanchez had the best offensive line in the league to do it behind.

Pats Pulpit

by Richard Hill on Aug 11, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions