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Bills Must Find Depth, Versatility Along Defensive Line

With two weeks of training camp behind them, the Buffalo Bills are, to this point, making a solid - if deliberate - transition into the 3-4 defense under the tutelage of coordinator George Edwards. The pre-season looms, so we'll get to see first-hand how effective the scheme can be very soon, but in the meantime, the Bills need to maintain the ability to run 4-3 looks in a pinch should their progress be hindered in any way.

The 3-4 defense requires a nose tackle that plays the zero technique (directly over center) and two defensive ends that play the five technique (outside shoulder of the offensive tackle). Buffalo did a nice job bringing in players to do these things this off-season, including five-technique ends Dwan Edwards and Alex Carrington, as well as zero-technique nose tackle Torell Troup.

But Buffalo has been using four down linemen frequently during training camp, and the plan is to mix in those looks to keep offenses off-balance. That means the Bills will need to employ linemen that can play the one technique (in the A gap, between guard and center) and three technique (outside shoulder of the guard) well. Kyle Williams is particularly proficient with these techniques, as is Spencer Johnson.

Buffalo would be wise to have multiple options in all three areas - five-tech ends, zero-tech nose tackles, and one- or three-tech defensive tackles. Right now, the Bills employ nine defensive linemen, and there's a good chance that as many as seven of them make the final roster.

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Nose Tackles (Zero Technique)
Troup, the rookie out of Central Florida, is by far the best zero-technique player on the roster. Lonnie Harvey, a second-year player out of Morgan State, has enough natural power to play the zero as well, though he's still a bit technically raw. Williams has been tabbed as the starting nose tackle for several months, but it's not yet clear how much zero technique he'll be asked to play.

Defensive Tackles (One and Three Techniques)
Williams is the best player in this category thanks to his quickness, motor and instincts. He'll be at his best in sub-package situations when his athleticism won't be as tightly reeled-in. Johnson is a strong three-technique player, and John McCargo is capable of playing either technique, as well. Rashaad Duncan is a best-fit as a defensive tackle as well. Note that most of Buffalo's incumbent defensive line depth resides here, as they were brought in to play these techniques in the previous regime's 4-3.

Defensive Ends (Five Technique)
Edwards doesn't have the prototypical length of a five-technique player, and is really more of a super-strong three-technique that plays the five pretty well. Marcus Stroud and Alex Carrington have the height, power and long arms that most teams love to see with their five technique players; that power and length will help them easily control run lanes at their peak in this defense. Johnson, McCargo and Duncan are all learning the five technique during training camp, but they're not the prototype from a physical standpoint.

How To Build Depth
Buffalo needs to stockpile as much quality depth as they can at the zero and five techniques, as those are the keystone techniques to running an effective 3-4 defense. Edwards, Stroud, Carrington and Troup are all, therefore, mortal locks to make the final roster.

It would be extremely beneficial to the team to keep two natural zero technique players on the roster; as Williams is not a perfect fit there, if Harvey can emerge as a solid backup to Troup at the traditional nose tackle spot, he'd be an excellent addition to the final roster.

Stroud, Edwards, Williams and Carrington are all capable of playing the three technique, while Stroud, Williams and possibly Troup can run the one technique, as well. The Bills inherently have depth at those techniques, but even if we're including Harvey as a member of the final roster, that's still only six defensive linemen - and the Bills are too short on talent to cut a guy like Johnson or McCargo, who have looked competent at the five and are definitely capable of providing depth at the defensive tackle positions.

Buffalo will keep the best 53 players they can find, and if seven of those 53 are defensive linemen, the team will be better off as they attempt to remedy the run defense issues that have plagued them for the past several years. If they keep six, they'll be a bit more strained from a technical aspect, but one thing is certain: if they're only able to keep six players, they'll keep the six that provide them the most technical versatility for their hybrid defense.

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I like that, at least in the first year of transition, we’re still going to see a 4-3 look every once a while.

I see the 3-4 looking like this up front:
DE: Stroud / Sp Johnson
NT: Troup (run situations) / K Williams (passing situations) / Harvey
DE: Edwards / Carrington

But when we rotate to a 4-3, what have the fronts look like? Obviously Kelsey would swtich back to a DE. Im guessing Dwan Edwards would be the other? But for someone whose been to camp and has seen us in a 4-3 front this year at camp, could you give us some insight on what that looks like. Thanks

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by bflo on Aug 11, 2010 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Most often, the 4-3 looks have involved the SOLB putting a hand down, with Stroud, Williams and Edwards staying on the field. When I saw it happen, it was Ellis, but obviously Kelsay is still the first-team SOLB, so you’re correct.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 11, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

So

Maybin is relegated to second string hybrid OLB as well. Not a bad thing, I mean Ellis isn’t invisible.

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by VanScottM on Aug 11, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I’ve only seen what it looks like in run fits. I’d imagine the personnel changes in passing situations.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 11, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good Point

Ether way, Ellis cannot be ignored. Also, there could be multiple looks ahead as well.

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by VanScottM on Aug 11, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ellis is certainly going to be given a shot, at least in preseason… lets see if this is the year it finally ‘clicks’ and he makes a good impression.

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by bflo on Aug 11, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is frightening looking d line

by Buffalove83 on Aug 11, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frightening good or frightening bad? I like the looks of it considering we just switched to the 3-4 this year.

THIS is our year.

by bflo on Aug 11, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice breakdown

interesting read on the intricacies of the different techniques and how our roster stacks up against em. thanks for edufying.

by adamsam on Aug 11, 2010 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Philosophy Difference

The D-line approach illustrates Buddy’s philosophy difference with Jauron. His TOP priority in the turnaround is a stout defense. Jauron liked to use undersized people all over the field (corners become safeties, safties become backers, backers become lineman). It probably looked great in his “flag football” training camps. Buddy wants to beef up. So in come Troup, Carrington, Edwards, etc and the smaller guys get shifted back to backer and safety. If they can play those positions – great. If not, he’ll replace ‘em. But he clearly wants to build the toughnessness first. I can’t wait to see it develop this year.

by MrFurious1 on Aug 11, 2010 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

If they want to confuse the offense without mass substitutions, why not mix in some 46 looks instead of a traditional 4-3?

All it would require is Stroud and Edwards to shift inside, Poz and Davis to shift to the strongside a linemen, and Whitner to come down into the box on the Maybin/Torbor side. Kelsay/Ellis could play Jack.

Of course, it would put our CB’s on an island and require Byrd to cover a lot of field, but ideally it could be done on run downs.

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by Jon Harrington on Aug 11, 2010 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeppers

The 4-6 is sensational against the run, and can be great against the pass if your corners are responsible in man coverage , the 4-6 becomes a liability if the Offense answers with a slot reciever almost make the 4-6 useless, I can see Edwards really relying on his natural DT’s for the 4-6 (Stroud, Troup, Williams)then they can throw Kelsay or even Edwards on the edge, The Ravens perfected this defense in the championship season and boy when its played right its a hell of a defense to play against, The Jets used it a bit last year and it was really effective because of Revis Island, but like I said it can really be a liability if used improperly.

Also expect Edwards to use alot of OLB Blitzes where both OLB’s Blitz, they used this alot in Miami while he was there and I know he was just a LB coach but he definatly noticed that stuff, when it was used right the double OLB Blitz leads to alot of sacks leaves the flat open but if your corners play it right you get alot of sacks.

Another defense i expect to see the Bills to use alot is bringing Donte up to the line to jam and Blitz, the 3-4 is awesome for this because the OLB’s take away short routes and with Jarius roaming the middle Donte blitz’s should be very effective

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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 11, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

The added size is the biggest short term improvement

That should really help us improve against the run as the transition is made.

As for depth, the entire front is still a work in progress. We have to hope Carrington develops into a starter for us, along with Dwan Edwards. I’ve said it before and I remained convinced of it, Stroud is running on fumes. I don’t see him having much of an impact going forward, especially after this season. The development of Carrington is huge. We still need to start developing depth too. I really, really hope Nix and co. are scouring the cut lists for young players that could be added to the PS at DE. Dallas, New England, Baltimore, etc, are all worth keeping an eye on….

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by Kurupt on Aug 11, 2010 12:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Couldnt agree more

But at the same time we rally need to add offensive lineman above all, I think Buddy did a great job addressing a huge weakness in the run d this offseason and I know there still alot more time in this new regime but to really make this a great starting point for the future I see them adding some reliable OL, as oppose to DL, I can honestly say I belive the DL is one of our main strengths this year

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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 11, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you're right about Stroud

He shows his old form occasionally, but not enough. Still glad he’s with us and hope he can get through the season.

by MrFurious1 on Aug 11, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure he is slowing down a bit… but I wonder how getting his body in this good of shape can help him out… but yes I agree, hes on the downward end.

THIS is our year.

by bflo on Aug 11, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its more his past injuries that are the issue

His ankles are creaky and part of the reason he no longer has the movement he had before. Hopefully, losing some weight and being in better shape will help him….

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by Kurupt on Aug 11, 2010 2:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes I agree with that. Hes been banged up the past few years. Hopefully getting himself into this good of shape will help with those nagging injuries.

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by bflo on Aug 11, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

here's hoping

that the coaches keep him fresh while also giving carrington his looks.

by dav630 on Aug 11, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

dallas for LBs

also… even their third stringers were making plays.

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by Ren Diggity on Aug 11, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

against other third stringers…

by dav630 on Aug 11, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know about Stroud

if he feels comfortable with the new position and he is part of a healthy rotation I can see his carreer lasting a little longer.
I feel Kyle and Marcus were good for the tampa2 but the DL rotation was not ideal for them to be productive. An inept offense and a poor DL rotation didn’t help him.

by Fixxxer on Aug 11, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

The added size is the biggest short term improvement

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 12, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stroud lost some weight this summer and has looked good in practice. Maybe those twenty pounds were wearing him down. We’ll see.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 12, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

well done Brian...rec'd

I will not be surprised if Troup and Carrington are starters by mid-season.

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by Joe P. on Aug 11, 2010 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

As long

as Stroud can play through the year I’ll take it!! Throw in a few sacks and he doesn’t get hurt or hurt the defense and I’ll be ok w/that!!

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by brendar of the bills people on Aug 11, 2010 12:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Great Breakdown

I liked the combinations and I think we have the talent to pull it off. Any situation where Troup and Williams on the field at the same time?

by floridamike on Aug 11, 2010 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Goalline

from what i’ve gathered, the goalline defense will have both of them out there.

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by Trashplate on Aug 11, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

It will have all thee + more

Troup, Harvey, Williams, Stroud, Edwards, Carrignton,( Mccargo, Johnson) whichever one makes it

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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 11, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

In my eyes (which tend to look past this year somewhat)...

I would keep the following:

DE: Stroud/Carrington
NT: Williams/Troup/Harvey
DE: Edwards/McCargo

I really like S. Johnson, but just as he has the versatility to play DE or DT (but not NT), McCargo has the size and strength to play all three positions (DE/NT/DT) if needed and he has a higher ceiling than Johnson. At the start of TC, I figured there was no way McCargo was going to make this team, but as time has passed the reports have come out telling of a few plays here and there that McCargo has made while I can’t recall a single good thing said of Johnson at this point. I doubt it happens this way (Johnson will most likely make the team and McCargo wont) but that is my opinion. I think McCargo offers more long term production and versatility in the 3-4 than Johnson does in a 3-4, whereas in the 4-3, Johnson could play both DE & DT and McCargo was relegated simpy to DT.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 11, 2010 4:40 PM EDT reply actions  

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