Jackson Out 4-6 Weeks, Lynch Out 3-4 Weeks
Citing league sources, Mark Gaughan of The Buffalo News reports that Buffalo Bills running back Fred Jackson will miss 4-6 weeks with a broken bone in his left hand, while Marshawn Lynch will miss 3-4 weeks with a sprained ankle.
Buffalo's regular season opener is exactly four weeks from today, when the team will take on the Miami Dolphins on September 12 at Ralph Wilson Stadium. Jackson's timetable makes it highly questionable that the veteran will be available for the Bills when the regular season begins. Lynch's timetable is a bit more manageable, but ankle injuries can be tricky to heal up correctly.
For now, it looks like rookie C.J. Spiller will be Buffalo's starting tailback for the immediate future. As we discussed this morning, he, Joique Bell and Chad Simpson have excellent opportunities to prove themselves worthy of Buffalo's final roster at this point. The team may also be forced to move backup fullback Rodney Ferguson back to tailback to have enough bodies to get through practices.
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I am keeping a close eye on Bell. He looked fairly decent against the Redskins. I also have no problem with beastmode starting week one. On the few carries he had, he looked just like he did in 2008. Beastmode is back!
Is this your homework, Larry?
by Schooled You on Aug 15, 2010 1:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
They'll be ready for the opener
barring any setbacks.
If Lynch doesn’t have a high ankle sprain, I think he’ll be good to go by then. High ankle sprains are the tricky ones.
I still think that Jackson will play the opener with a cast, assuming that’s a possibility.
Spiller better get ready quickly. Time to rise to the occasion, rook!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I don’t feel extremely comfortable with a RB who has a cast on his hand. Hopefully that doesn’t lead to fumbles returned for a TD
Is this your homework, Larry?
by Schooled You on Aug 15, 2010 1:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
HE HAS TWO HANDS!!
The hand he injured was not the hand he was carrying the ball in. He can adjust. And it’s not like he’d be carrying the ball 25 times with a cast on, either….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Right, but depending on which side he runs to. A lot of carriers switch hands to prevent the ball from being stripped.
Is this your homework, Larry?
by Schooled You on Aug 15, 2010 1:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And it’s not like he’d be carrying the ball 25 times with a cast on
he won’t be the starter? or he will be limited because he is injured? i don’t know that i understand where this idea comes from. if he is the starter, he should get the bulk of the carries. If he cannot handle the bulk of the carries, because he has a cast, then he shouldn’t start. I am not going to start this argument all over again… but it just seems blatently logical that if your starter can’t be a starter, he shouldn’t be starting.
Disagree? doesn’t surprise me. Oh well, i suppose it does, because if ML was the starter, and he is injured, you would likely be calling for FJ, or Spiller, or someone else to have his carries. Maybe i am simply making an assumption based on comments you have made in the past; maybe you would go ahead and give BeastMode the nod. I doubt that very much though, and i think this just illustrates that your man crush on FJ, for being a “shining spot” (guy didn’t score as a RB, and that is the RBs main role; i don’t care about 1000 return yards over the season that we didn’t win games or go to playoffs) on our otherwise abysmal team.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
The RB's.....
he won’t be the starter? or he will be limited because he is injured? i don’t know that i understand where this idea comes from. if he is the starter, he should get the bulk of the carries. If he cannot handle the bulk of the carries, because he has a cast, then he shouldn’t start. I am not going to start this argument all over again… but it just seems blatently logical that if your starter can’t be a starter, he shouldn’t be starting.
That’s great and all, but I never really said any of that. You did the same thing in the other post, adding things to what I said. All I said there is that I believe if he’s healthy enough to play, even with a cast, he will. Just like any RB would. If he’s limited, obviously he’s not going to get the bulk of the carries. I haven’t said anything about him starting, getting all the work, being able to all the things he could do if at 100%, etc. I said I think he can PLAY with a cast on. Holy balls, Batman!
Disagree? doesn’t surprise me.
??? How can I disagree when I didn’t even respond to anything you said?
Oh well, i suppose it does, because if ML was the starter, and he is injured, you would likely be calling for FJ, or Spiller, or someone else to have his carries. Maybe i am simply making an assumption based on comments you have made in the past; maybe you would go ahead and give BeastMode the nod.
Again, I said I think Jackson can play with a cast on. I’d still expect Spiller to get the 10-12 carries a game that I’ve been saying all offseason. If Lynch’s ankle is healthy, he’ll still get a few carries too. A hand injury when he can still tote the rock in his other hand is a lot different than an ankle injury where a runner may struggle to cut, change direction and run. If Lynch was the projected starter, who was going to get 12-15 carries a game, and he hurt his hand, I’d expect him to suit up with the cast on if he could too. If Jackson had a sprained ankle, I’d expect him to sit out until it’s 100%. I don’t get why you are so upset about my opinion of Jackson playing with a cast…..
I doubt that very much though, and i think this just illustrates that your man crush on FJ, for being a "shining spot" (guy didn’t score as a RB, and that is the RBs main role; i don’t care about 1000 return yards over the season that we didn’t win games or go to playoffs) on our otherwise abysmal team.
Oh, now I understand. I supposedly have some “man crush” on Jackson and you think what he’s done is something to overlook since he couldn’t score. Seriously man, I respect what the guy did last year and believe he’s our most consistent runner. In this very thread, I said that I don’t think he’s a game breaker, big play guy, doesn’t have the same skills/abilities that a Spiller has and has some redundant skills. If that’s a man crush, so be it. I just think that if one of our better players is healthy enough to play and contribute, even in a cast, he will do it. If Lee Evans had a dislocated finger, but was still able to catch pretty well and play, I’d imagine he’d play. If Poz had a stress fracture in his leg, but was able to gut it out and play, then I’d believe he’d play too. I haven’t said anything about FJ playing the entire game, take 25 handoffs, return kicks or whatever. All I’ve ever said about this subject is that I think he’ll play. That’s all. It’s a simple opinion and there really isn’t much more to it. You don’t have to try to read anything else from that because that’s all I really mean here!!!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
………crickets…….. crickets………..
"Adversity is an opportunity for heroism." Marv Levy.
by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Aug 15, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Robb Riddick....
played with a cast for a few weeks, and was still great out of the backfield, catching the ball….
The draft dawns a new year for Buffalo Bills fans, so let optimism reign supreme!!! After all, we are now, UNDEFEATED!!!!
I’m not saying it can’t be done, it just makes me un-easy.
Is this your homework, Larry?
by Schooled You on Aug 15, 2010 2:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A Robb Riddick reference?
Oh, no you didn’t! (I was wagging my finger as I typed that)
by bluecollarbuffalo on Aug 15, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't this like the third time Lynch has hurt his ankle?
Seems to me they need to tape that bad boy up better or something….
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by silverstreak3k on Aug 15, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would Spiller have to get ready quickly and rise to the occasion if you feel Lynch and Jackson will be ready for the opener?
Uhhh
Because he needs to start preparing as the starter for Thursday. He’s no longer going to be eased into the lineup. He’s being thrown in.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
he is the first round pick
most of these guys are “thrown in” and have to be ready to perform.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
CJ:
Welcome to the NFL
And as long as we have Marshawn and Spiller we are good, and as well, I am glad the other rookie from the small school (Bell or Simpson is it?) is not another slow Omon, these two have potential, even though one isn’t a rooke but a couple year vet
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by killascript on Aug 15, 2010 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Bell and Simpson are making the Spiller pick look like it was one of the most boneheaded picks in Bills history
and that’s saying a lot. We now have four-five starting caliber running backs, and practically nothing else on either side of the ball. I know it’s quite a statement, but everything about Spiller screams TRADE right now. He is completely redundant and very replaceable. The guy’s value might never be higher. We’re not getting anything for Jackson, or Lynch with his off the field problems, and we’re getting hard runs and production out of both of them anyways. We could keep Bell and Simpson for a fraction of the cost.
I know it’ll never happen (despite the fact that it happens in the NBA all the time), but the Bills should seriously consider trading the guy. The NFL is really high on the guy right now, and we might never have this kind of chance to get value for a RB (an easy position to find talent). It just makes all the sense in the world.
Blame where you must, be candid where you can, And be each critic the Good-natured Man. - Oliver Goldsmith (Excellent advice)
Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
A bit hasty...
I have two thoughts here before we start throwing the baby out with the bathwater:
1. Let’s see what Spiller looks like with another week of practice under his belt at the #1 RB spot.
2. Let’s see what Bell and Simpson look like against starting caliber defensive players.
After those things, we can get a better picture of our current state at RB. And then, in one week’s time, we’ll take those two points and apply them again to the next game and then the next.
That ledge you’re standing on doesn’t look all that comfortable. Why don’t you step back from it for a little while.
by Caymon on Aug 15, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're on.
No hurry, we’re going under this year anyways. I’m perfectly willing to let the whole season (if need be) bear this truth out.
Blame where you must, be candid where you can, And be each critic the Good-natured Man. - Oliver Goldsmith (Excellent advice)
Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
To be clear
I don’t blame you for feeling frustrated. The past ten(ish) years have been mind-numbing and the kick-off preseason game this year certainly didn’t inspire much hope. But it’s just the first game. Maybe Joique does turn out to be special (I’m rooting for him as I think he has great instincts), but as an alumni of the Univ. of South Carolina and a follower of their program, I’ve seen what Spiller can do as well. Granted, that’s college, but I want to give him every opportunity in the pros.
I’m not taking a shot at ya, though. I just want you to know that. Patience will bear out who goes and who stays and I’m still confident that our current coaching staff will pay attention and sort it all out accordingly.
Go Bills!
I’m more than willing to be patient here. I knew the post would sorta sound like I’d been drinking with a bunch of raving lunatics. Truth is, I’m very in control of my senses, and pained by the missed opportunity the pick represents.
For each run that Fred and Marshawn make this year, and after each good play Joique Bell and Chad Simpson make, and after each terrible sack our offensive tackles give up, that is something that could have been and can still be markedly improved. Instead we are going to use CJ Spiller, a great running back at a position where we have two, maybe three other good-to-great backs.
Blame where you must, be candid where you can, And be each critic the Good-natured Man. - Oliver Goldsmith (Excellent advice)
Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
by Dyl on Aug 15, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Back up rbs tend to look good in pre season
I remember Darrick Holmes and Jonathan Linton, there were a couple of pre-seasons that they absolutely lit it up but that did not carry over to the regular season.
Playing agains 2s and 3s can be very different than going up against starters. The speed and decision making can turn a 4 yd run agains 2s and 3s into a no-gainer.
This is fair. This is fair.
Very good point. I think it’s safe to say though that you saw something out of Bell there. There’s a Very good chance that he can be, at the bare minimum, functional for the Bills. But it is fair to reserve judgment.
As for Simpson, he’s been in that position before. I have a feeling that a lot of Bills fans are for some reason looking at Chad Simpson as the next A-Train Thomas. I’m pretty sure Simpson’s better than that.
Blame where you must, be candid where you can, And be each critic the Good-natured Man. - Oliver Goldsmith (Excellent advice)
Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
Yep
I’ve been watching quite a few pre-season games, and your right. The RB look like all -pro’s. Gotta remember its pre-season.
Home of "Spiller the Thriller"
by buffalobacker on Aug 15, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Were we only drafting for this year? I don’t think we were. I think they took Spiller because they thought he would be productive for years to come, more so than anyone else left on the table at the time. Unless he turns out to be a total bust for his entire contract I have no issue with this pick, even if he doesn’t do much for us right out of the gate. If we pick up better players next year than we would have gotten this year at the positions we still have problems at, all the better.
I’m not ready to write off D. Bell after half a season though, so I see value in giving a very young player another year to see what he is capable of, so I think that drafting an LT at that spot would have been a bad move.
I don’t understand is how drafting a LT to compete with Bell is a bad move while taking Spiller at RB is a good move for down the line. It seems like they are either both one thing, or both the other.
It’s true that we weren’t only drafting for this year, but that still means that eventually somebody good at RB has to go. I hope that it works itself out. If Fred comes down with a career ending injury or Marshawn gets suspended for the year Gailey will look like a genius, but those are two terrible things for the Bills.
The thing I have with Demetrius Bell is that his main weapons against pass rushers seem to be false starts and holding. He’s a real Jekyll and Hyde, and Jekyll and Hyde being our best option at LT doesn’t bode well. He’s not a rookie anymore. First he learned as a developmental prospect on the bench for a while. Now’s he’s had chances to learn on the field. If he doesn’t lose his penalties or poor pass protection, he shouldn’t finish the year at the spot.
Blame where you must, be candid where you can, And be each critic the Good-natured Man. - Oliver Goldsmith (Excellent advice)
Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
My main point is… you take the best player left on that table at that space in the draft. You don’t use your #9 pick to fill holes unless the hole you are filling has a player available worthy of that pick. Was that the case at tackle this year? I don’t think so. At QB? Again, no.
Also, keep in mind, Marshawn was apparently asking for a trade. It seems somewhat likely that they don’t think he will be sticking around for a second contract, or even next year.
Sure. You want to take the best player available. But that’s got to be flexible to a point. If the Bills were drafting right now and the best player was a RB, that just can’t happen. You have to pay attention to your team as a whole and draft the best player available that can also help you. If there is a big gap between your ranking of Spiller and your ranking of a tackle, then okay, take Spiller. But was there?
I think there were some good tackles and quarterbacks there at 9. We may disagree there.
Blame where you must, be candid where you can, And be each critic the Good-natured Man. - Oliver Goldsmith (Excellent advice)
Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
Gotta rec for this....
throwing the baby out with the bathwater:
The draft dawns a new year for Buffalo Bills fans, so let optimism reign supreme!!! After all, we are now, UNDEFEATED!!!!
what?
Let the first round pick ride the pine, so he can practice the week first, and let the undrafted kids get the start? If not only for the media scrutiny, that is maybe the craziest thought i would have expected to see voiced here. What kind of faith can you have in your pick, in the player, or in your team, if you are gonna tell people that #1 draft status means nothing; the UNDRAFTED Rookies will get the start over the guy you wanted more than any other available player at #9!???!!!!
What?!!!??
Sorry, i disagree emphatically.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
Are you replying to me?
I don’t see where I make any of these arguments in what I wrote.
I said…
I have two thoughts here before we start throwing the baby out with the bathwater:
1. Let’s see what Spiller looks like with another week of practice under his belt at the #1 RB spot.
2. Let’s see what Bell and Simpson look like against starting caliber defensive players.After those things, we can get a better picture of our current state at RB. And then, in one week’s time, we’ll take those two points and apply them again to the next game and then the next.
That ledge you’re standing on doesn’t look all that comfortable. Why don’t you step back from it for a little while.
So, to make it more clear, we have injuries to two players who were going to see snaps against the first team defenses in the remaining preseason games (those being Lynch and Jackson). Those players will be out for the remainder of the preseason, in their place it is likely that we’ll see Bell and Simpson spelling Spiller. So, we will see them in the game against higher caliber players than they saw the previous night.
I’m saying that we should be patient in our assessment and see how they perform when asked to go against these higher players. And from that information, they will be judged and will make or not make the roster. Before the season starts.
You disagree?
Not Serious I Hope!
You are right that the NFL is really high on Spiller right now. Usually that tells us something.
What is Spiller going to provide that we don't already have in spades?
We could get a player at a need position for him. We could have something much better at another position for practically no loss. I’m not saying he’s not a great player that couldn’t make some great plays for us. But each play is a play away from Fred and Marshawn, two runners who can make just as many plays.
The value is undeniable, but on our team it’s stacked where it can’t be exploited.
Blame where you must, be candid where you can, And be each critic the Good-natured Man. - Oliver Goldsmith (Excellent advice)
Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
the ability to score more than 2 TDs from the RB position in an entire season
and the ability to break TDs from over 50 yards (20 of his college 50 were for over 50 yards) at any time, which ML and FJ have not proven to be able to do. In fact, each has only single digit runs for more than 20 years, i believe.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
by Ren Diggity on Aug 15, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll believe it when I see it
TO was brought in to score touchdowns, and he got what, 5? Spiller’s not likely going to be any different. The Bills offense is a vacuum because it isn’t fundamentally sound.
Blame where you must, be candid where you can, And be each critic the Good-natured Man. - Oliver Goldsmith (Excellent advice)
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Game Changing Plays
Home of "Spiller the Thriller"
by buffalobacker on Aug 15, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Spiller is not redundant at all
Bell and to a lesser extent, Simpson, are.
What other RB on the team runs a 4.3? What other RB has the gamebreaking ability and potential that Spiller possesses? How about the elite return ability he showed in college? Sorry, but none of that is redundant. Simpson has some speed and return ability, and he’s even a bit bigger, but he doesn’t possess the same type of athleticism and speed that Spiller has.
If you want to argue that the Bills have numerous capable RB’s, then we can all agree on that. If you want to say that the #9 pick could have been used for a player to help elsewhere, I agree too. But to say Spiller and his talents are redundant is just flat out wrong. For a team with NO playmakers, he is something sufficiently different.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
His talents aren't redundant
His talent is. With the stable the Bills currently employ, he’s extra talent that has to sit on the bench. I think you overestimate what someone with a little bit of speed can do. I’m maybe underestimating it. He does have some gamebreaking ability, but Fred Jackson and Marshawn Lynch are playmakers. They were the best pass catching tandem of RBs in the NFL statistically. They are each capable of 1,000 yard seasons on the ground. They fall forward and run harder than just about anybody not named Marion Barber. They (at least Jackson) pass block much better than Spiller. And Spiller, he’s fast as hell, and so he’s little bit more of a home run threat from anywhere on the field. He’s also a couple years younger than That’s really all he brings that we don’t have.
No one’s denying that ability, but with the current state of the roster, I don’t see how he can’t be seen as a commodity by the Bills. Unless J Bell/C Simpson completely fall on their face, I’m just going to have to make that stand.
Blame where you must, be candid where you can, And be each critic the Good-natured Man. - Oliver Goldsmith (Excellent advice)
Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
I totally disagree with much of that!
His talents aren’t redundant
His talent is.
Huh?
With the stable the Bills currently employ, he’s extra talent that has to sit on the bench.
Why does he have to sit on the bench? Can’t he stand on the sidelines?!?! But why exactly does he have to not play? He wasn’t drafted to be a spectator. Just because the Bills might have some other capable RB’s doesn’t mean Spiller won’t be out there a lot to do the types of things this offense hasn’t had in a long time, which include big plays out of the backfield, the ability to create mismatches in the passing game and offer the type of skill set that nobody on the roster possesses.
I think you overestimate what someone with a little bit of speed can do. I’m maybe underestimating it.
I don’t think so, either way. A RB with speed and big play ability is not easy to come by, and can really make up for a lot of other ills on an offense. Just look at Jamaal Charles last year. What I might be doing is overestimating Spiller’s speed, not the impact speed can have for an offense. I think you overestimate Jackson, Lynch and Bell’s abilities. They are all the same type of backs, bigger guys with inside running ability. That’s a redundant skill to me.
Fred Jackson and Marshawn Lynch are playmakers
No they aren’t. They can gain the extra few yards and be consistent performers. They can catch 8 passes in a game. But they aren’t gamebreakers or guys that will give an offense big plays.
Spiller’s going to do a lot more than just take handoffs, which I’m getting the feeling your basing your opinion around.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Someday I'm going to figure out how to use those quotes
What I mean is that I think his having talent is redundant. though you bring up a good point about our other backs being more similar to each other than to Spiller. The real reason why I’d trade Spiller instead of any of the other guys is that we can actually get something of real value for him, while only reducing the effectiveness of our RB corps from overflowingly jackdunkulous to merely fantastic. Trust me when I say I’d rather trade Marshawn.
He doesn’t have to sit/stand on the sidelines, but someone of the three has to, and most likely two of them are going to be on the sidelines for a lot longer than they deserve to be simply because there are three of them. Add that to the fact that Bell/Simpson won’t likely make the team, much less ever see the light of day. Bell can be placed on the practice squad, but even if he somehow clears waivers to do so, that’s a shame.
About being a gamebreaker, I would say that it doesn’t matter what style your running back is as long as he/they are effective. All this talk about gamebreaking speed and ability these days. Fred Jackson is not a gamebreaker per se, but he had the fourth highest yards total in NFL history last year. And he did it behind our patchwork offensive line. How many gamebreakers would you want over a guy who did that for you? I understand the point about gamebreakers being what you need when your line can’t break your runners out for you that well. But whether it’s speed, power, versatility, etc. shouldn’t matter as much as is being claimed. It’s just style.
Lastly, yeah Spiller is going to return kicks, catch, and run, maybe even some Wildcat. That’s going to help the Bills. He’s going to be a very good player. I don’t disagree with any of this. I’m just trying to say that with Jackson, Lynch, and Bell we don’t lose a whole lot. We’ll just have to disagree there, but every time I see #22, 23, or 35 pop a good run, coupled with everytime I see our offensive tackles give up a bad sack and our defense falter in run support, I’ll say it again. He can get us something to help fix that now.
Jackson and Lynch both catch and run very well, and Jackson can return kicks more than capably. Meanwhile we pick up an offensive tackle or a linebacker or something that we badly need by trading Spiller. The gain from the trade as to how it benefits the team outweighs the loss of the player.
Blame where you must, be candid where you can, And be each critic the Good-natured Man. - Oliver Goldsmith (Excellent advice)
Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
I love Fred Jackson
I’m not trying to take anything away from what he’s done, and what he will do. It’s just that Spiller gives the Bills something Jackson doesn’t (and Lynch too).
Of course Jackson is effective. Nobody is debating that. He put up very good numbers last year, but that doesn’t mean he’s a gamebreak or big play threat. He’s a consistent, effective performer.
He can get us something to help fix that now.
No he can’t. Where are we going to find a starting LT or pass rusher that would be worth Spiller? I’d love to know who you’re thinking about here….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
And I’d love to tell you I had anyone in mind. In a straight up trade, we probably can’t get equal value at those positions, simply because LT and pass rusher are some of the most coveted positions out there, while RBs are a dime a dozen. It would be hard to find a matchup there. And I know this trade is not going to happen. But I’m confident with 31 other teams out there, that through a well-done process, the right deal could be found and offered. We could potentially get a fantastic player to anchor our line for a long time. We’d just have to pitch in a pick or something.
Blame where you must, be candid where you can, And be each critic the Good-natured Man. - Oliver Goldsmith (Excellent advice)
Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
Well it's just not going to happen
So it’s kind of pointless to really consider anyways!!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I'm really sorry I brought this up
You can’t say anything halfway controversial here without having to explain it through fifty side streets. I knew that already, I should have known it would have dominated more discussion than I thought it would. I didn’t mean to lead the way in a grab-your-gun hijacking bonanzacruise.
Blame where you must, be candid where you can, And be each critic the Good-natured Man. - Oliver Goldsmith (Excellent advice)
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Isn't this a topic about the RB's?!?!
I don’t see how you hijacked anything. Sorry if you were upset about me getting a little into the responses….No harm intended.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Nah, didn't mean to convey that
I just typed that in a reply to you because you were the one who had the most substantive discussion.
I’m usually a lurker-type on Rumblings, but it’s been a little while, so I thought I’d slip in that original comment to see what people thought about the concept of actually trading Spiller, and get like 5, maybe 10 side comments off of it. Now I remember how it gets. Haha.
I don’t think it was hijacked, at least not message-wise. Maybe volume of content wise. Honestly, I wanted to use the phrase grab-your-gun hijacking bonanzacruise. It just sounded fun.
Blame where you must, be candid where you can, And be each critic the Good-natured Man. - Oliver Goldsmith (Excellent advice)
Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
That is fun to say!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I love Fred Jackson
and there it is. so, i suppose this will forever be the reason that I should not attempt to employ logic when discussing the guy with you.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
Ugh
So I’m not employing any logic when saying if the guy is healthy enough to carry the ball and help the team, he will? Just because he might have to wear a cast doesn’t mean he can’t play and help the team. RB’s have done it before and will do it again. I fail to see how that’s an illogical opinion.
And yikes, get over it dude. I have an opinion about the guy, just like you do. I think Jackson is one of the few consistently quality performers we have on the team, yet you believe that to be a reason I can’t see your opinion? And I’m not even sure how believing Jackson will play with a cast on is such a harbinger of upset feelings. I’d feel the same way about any important RB potentially wearing a cast for a game or two.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Someday I’m going to figure out how to use those quotes
all you do is click the little Blue quotes on the tool bar, and then copy your quote. You need to end your tag…. so instead of < blockquote > it will read with no spaces. (in order for you to “see” the tag, i need to type it so that the browser doesn’t recognize it. )
if this is confusing… picture this
the quote here
only there is not any space at all between the “e” in blockquote, and the >
and there you have it.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
lol
the browser still recognized the tag with the spaces in it….
so… i am not sure how to demonstrate further than what i put originally. if you don’t know much about HTML, then just wikipedia HTML tags, and you will get the basics.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
And yeah
I know the trade’s never going to happen, and regardless the Bills have a bright future with Spiller. I’d really like to see the guy actually turn into the next NFL superstar with us.
Blame where you must, be candid where you can, And be each critic the Good-natured Man. - Oliver Goldsmith (Excellent advice)
Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
Spiller sells tickets
and jerseys. The only Simpson jerseys bing sold are throw back jerseys.
Yeah
I’m sure the OJ Simpson throwback is a BIG SELLER!!!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Does anyone want to trade Lynch now?
16 games is a long season. I wouldn’t be surprised if we have 4 different starters at runningback before the season ends.
BTW, I watched Miami last nite
and I am not scared. Not saying that they can’t beat us, just that if we start Lynch and Spiller, I would not feel that we are at a disadvantage.
Haha
We’ll still be starting Trent Edwards, backup caliber OT’s and no pass rushers. I think that’s a sizable disadvantage!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
One BIG thing going for him......
Generally speaking, RB is the easiest position to transition to from college to the NFL. Add that Spiller has only had limited practice time, he’ll learn w/ more reps. He’s already supposed to have the playbook down well now, so we’ll soon see.
I too wanted to see just that but they aren’t going to show much in PS anyway, so, yes, we’ll probably have to wait before we see 21, 22, & 23 on the field together.
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for CBF below
Season Ticket Holder Sec: 312, Row: 11
"There's NO place like home when it's the Big Tree Inn"
Well that just SUCKS.
I really wanted to see what our 3 back set would look like. Guess that I wont get that chance until like week 2 or 3 now.
CJ better be ready to be our feature back just in case we need him to be for long stretches this year.
On the bright side maybe this will open a roster spot for Bell. This kid has been impressing me. Yes he’s a project that should be on our PS but I’m not sure that we should take that chance any more. Plus it never hurts to have that extra back, as we can see right now.
Starcraft II: the ultimate sleep depraver.
by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 15, 2010 2:19 PM EDT reply actions
only the Bills
can manage to lose the leagues all purpose yards leader and a pro bowler, both at the only position of strength on the team, in the first pre-season game before halftime. Our injury problem is fast becoming our most recognizable feature nationally.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Aug 15, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I might be out in left field here, but could our actual playing field have anything to do with it? Back when field turf was being used, teams that used it saw a higher percentage of injuries than teams who played on grass. Maybe we’re seeing a similar problem here where the age and hardness of our field can help contribute to injuries.
I’ll call this the “wee need a new stadium” injury argument.
Starcraft II: the ultimate sleep depraver.
by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 15, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
they played in washington......
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
To us winning is a tradition. We are victors and need not explain. You may hate us, but your girlfriends love us. - BC
One more than Shaq. - Kobe answering how it felt to win Championship number 5
by silverstreak3k on Aug 15, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
time for me to shut up now
Starcraft II: the ultimate sleep depraver.
by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 15, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
dont worry im sure everyone would love a new stadium with a grass field.
unfortunately there isnt any water front to put one b/c of the grain mills which are considered “historical landmarks”.
or money
a lot of teams have had worse injury problems this year
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
im referring to the last 5 years when I say our most recognizable feature. We are by far the leagues most injured team over the last three years – by far.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
No we aren't
Go tell that to a Houston Texans fan.
Go ask any team that’s been bit by the injury bug.
And we aren’t exactly losing superstar talent here. We’ve lost a few good players to injury (Poz, Butler, Wood, Mitchell) and some young guys who needed the development time (McKelvin, Bell, Hardy), but it’s not like we lost Tom Brady or Ronnie Brown or Michael Turner or Owen Daniels. A lot of the players that were lost to injury were of the Marcus Buggs, Kiwaukee Thomas, Kirk Chambers variety….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Go ask any team that’s been bit by the injury bug.
We have not been bitten by the injury bug, its devoured us.
In 2009 the Bills led the league for the most players on IR, breaking 20 I believe. Kawika Mitchell, Keith Ellison, Nic Harris, Marcus Buggs, Jairus Byrd, Leodis McKelvin, Terrence McGee, Eric Wood, Brad Butler, Demetrius Bell, Seth McKinney, and Derek Schouman were all major impact guys on IR at some point – and dont laugh at the back up names, they became big losses when the guys starting over them were all on IR or hurt as well. This list doesnt count non IR injuries to Trent Edwards, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Donte Whitner, Jamon Meredith and Poz that were significant. We started a fourth string MLB at one point and a fourth string LT.
In 2007 we were again demolished by injuries in a ridiculous fashion with 17 players ending u on I.R which was also bad enough for most in the NFL if I’m not mistaken. Yet again, our starting QB was knocked out.
In 2008, our supposed to be rookie No.2 WR savior gets hurt, our starting QB again gets knocked out with a concussion that would never leave him the same again.
During this three year period key guys like Terrence McGee, Aaron Schobel, Marshawn Lynch, Trent Edwards, JP Losman, Leodis McKelvin, Paul Posluszny, Kawika Mitchell, and Brad Butler have all been hurt for extensive periods. Whether we lost superstars or not doesn’t reduce any of their impact. We’ve lost more starters over the last three years than any team I can think of and then lost their backups. They may not be superstars but they are or were crucial to the Bills success and these absences have been a major contributor to why we have failed.
I may be getting some of my names and injury numbers wrong here but I’m also forgetting a lot of names as my memory isn’t exactly running on full blast on Sundays. Either way, we are a special case of “hurt”.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Aug 15, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have to agree
This is a team sport, and if all your depth is depleted, whatever good players you have left won’t be enough to win consistently. For now, things are “OK” on the injury front. For other teams it has been worse thus far.
It is Brohm’s Bills jersey that is the least stained with doo-doo... GO BILLS
by killascript on Aug 16, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Not only before the half series!
but it was the 1st series!
Season Ticket Holder Sec: 312, Row: 11
"There's NO place like home when it's the Big Tree Inn"
your right
thats even worse! Its ridiculous isnt it?
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
it's crazy to me how bad the bills official website is
it is so slow with info and has nothing about the injuries yet, other than that they happened.
The only thing it is good for is video
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
Yeah, the exclusive videos are about the only redeeming part of it. But there’s something to be said for objective outside analysis like Rumblings offers. The Bills can’t officially give that kind of objective analysis, it would be PR suicide and undermine the confidentiality of the brass’ thoughts. Not that you were claiming that, that’s just something BB.com can’t really ever do well.
Blame where you must, be candid where you can, And be each critic the Good-natured Man. - Oliver Goldsmith (Excellent advice)
Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
The silver lining could be building equity with Bell.
Everyone knows Freddy and Lynch are starting quality RB’s. These minor injuries won’t change that, but giving Bell a chance to shine could make him valuable enough to be part of a trade. The guy has a unique combination of a low center of gravity and track star quality mechanics. He could be a great all purpose back, while he might not shine in one particular area. Personally, I like his game enough to keep him in some capacity, but time will prove me right or wrong, and there are not enough roster spaces to justify keeping him on the active roster.
Chad Simpson is quick and athletic, but he’s just not powerful enough to make this roster. (Unless he’s the only one who can field a punt without fumbling.)
The surprise of the game (for me) was #44 Rodney Ferguson. He’s not a big FB by any means, but he was using his body to his advantage by putting himself in the right spot with quick feet, and getting low to effectively screen bigger defenders. That’s a promising sign.
Bring on the 2010 NFL season! Go Bills!
With both Lynch and Fred injured right up to the beggining of the season,
Bell will make the team. If he playes well in pre season i say he stayes.
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
I'd rather they miss 4 weeks plus now.....
then in sept/oct
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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 15, 2010 4:50 PM EDT reply actions
Lynch is injury prone
This is like the 4th straight year that Lynch is going to miss time because of a leg injury. You gotta think his running style that is predicated on contact is something that will shorten his career. Dude has to learn how to avoid hits on and off the field (Smoking weed)
I hope Lynch or Jackson are back by week 1, because I don’t think Spiller is the type of back that can be counted on to carry the ball 20-25 times a game. He needs a complimentary back to work off of.
Hey, the can always pick up Willis McGahee if he gets cut..NOT!
Joe
"Don't forget to tip your waitress"
Buddy Nix is a genius!
He knew going into the draft that Jackson and Lynch would go down in the first pre-season game – This doesn’t bode well since this team was snake bitten last season with injuries!!!!!
What is with all of the injuries the past 2-3 years!~

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