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Poll: Should Trent Edwards Remain Bills' No. 1?

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Buffalo Bills projected starting quarterback Trent Edwards now has his first pre-season experience in Chan Gailey's offense under his belt. During Friday night's 42-17 loss to the Washington Redskins, Edwards went from steady (5-of-6, 44 yards on the opening drive) to fairly awful (1-of-6, 14 yards, 1 INT) over four series, which included two three-and-outs. Buffalo's first-team offense scored three points, and Edwards ended the contest with a QB rating of 29.2.

The Bills' backups did not fare much better. Ryan Fitzpatrick completed 9-of-14 passes, but for only 61 yards, though he did add a touchdown. Rookie Levi Brown went 3-of-7 for 28 yards with an interception late in the game. Brian Brohm, currently No. 3 on the depth chart, did not play, but will see all of the second-team snaps in Thursday's pre-season matchup with Indianapolis.

The question this morning is simple: should Trent Edwards remain atop Buffalo's depth chart, or should the Bills try giving first-team reps to one of their depth options? I believe there are meritorious points to be made on either side of this debate, and while I know which way I'll be voting, I'll save the opinion for the comments section. You're invited to join me there.

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Should Trent Edwards remain No. 1 on Buffalo's QB depth chart?
Yes
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He has been the best QB in camp by far.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 16, 2010 8:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Which, you do realize, isn’t saying much of anything at all. =) I will have my eyes focused on his decision-making during practice tonight. The ice is about to become fairly thin where he’s choosing to skate.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 16, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think I’m gonna be there so if you get some time after practice, throw some mental notes down into a fanpost.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 16, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll do my best.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 16, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 16, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

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When watching Trent, especially going long, evaluate if it was a legit game speed play. I have noticed he tends to camp in the pocket where in a game he doesn’t have that luxury. He should of scrambled, should of been sacked etc… Most fans focus on the completion where he should of been on his back.

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by VanScottM on Aug 16, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

We know he throws a nice spiral, and has accuracy. I’ll try and watch his motion and decision-making in the pocket. Know that it is practice, and it’s very likely they go light coming off a game where many players were in for a long time. Also, the injury bug hasn’t found a new home yet.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 16, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

he had a quick release in the game for a completion early that I liked, and I saw soem good things… that pick was horrendous though, JP horrendous and that scares me a bit. I have to see more

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by killascript on Aug 16, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know it’s not what you’re getting at, but I can guarantee that you’ll see more of those horrendous picks out of Edwards.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 16, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same for anyone else currently wearing a Bills uniform.

Trent actually is the least likely in our stable to throw a horrible pick. At the very least we know he can complete screens / dumps to the RB. Fitzie certainly can’t even do that reliably.

by syrbillsfan on Aug 16, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man i really hate watching Fitz throw a ball. ITs just ugly. I would much rather have a mediocre edwards at the realm. Hopefully Brohm can offer some positive looks this week.

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by Superduff on Aug 16, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I struggle most with him because of what he represents: settling. With Edwards, there’s still a large part of his ability that remains unknown. With Fitzpatrick, you know you’re getting the guy who plays tough, and is less cautious because he’s coming off the bench to prove his mettle.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 16, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

TE

needs to be less cautious or he will never start in the NFL again. If he can just let it fly he may keep his job and improve dramatically.

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by silverstreak3k on Aug 16, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is unknown about Edwards?!?

It’s his 4th year in the league now, he’s started 30 games and been just as crappy throughout. We know he can’t stay healthy, won’t throw downfield, can’t put points on the board and simply can’t win games for his team. I don’t really know what else we need to know about the guy….

No matter who the Bills start, they’re settling. They tried for McNabb and perhaps Tebow and others, but are stuck starting this guy again. That’s setting to me.

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by Kurupt on Aug 16, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It says enough to say that he should remain the starter…

by dav630 on Aug 16, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

He has been the best QB in camp by far.

My old coach use to say "You can’t make chicken salad out of chicken s%$#!

Talent where is the talent. I’m posting something on Edwards in alittle while…But I pray to god that Brohm shows us something.

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by bills6116 on Aug 16, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I voted yes. With more than half of training camp gone and with the quick turnaround this week, there’s just no time to start splitting reps and trying to get another guy into the flow with the ones. Gailey made his bed when he unveiled his pecking order, and he’ll have to live with the good and the bad of that decision. No option but to keep on keepin’ on, in my opinion.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 16, 2010 8:46 AM EDT reply actions  

First, Nix made his bed by standing pat with what we had. Though we apparently tried to get McNabb, we didn’t get Campbell or go after any other vet available and we took a pass on the top-ranked QBs in the draft.

Then Gailey made his bed when he set the pecking order.

Now we’ve got what we’ve got. A dead dove in a paper bag. Edwards might as well start the season number 1. That’ll last until he goes down with another injury. Which won’t take long.

by Applsoss on Aug 16, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

applsoss I'm wit you...

we should have never been put in this situation it is painfully obvious that we should have brought in a qualified QB to compete for the starting job but know were stuck with voting for the lesser of three evils I voted yes just cause I think he stinks the least

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by Moe_frm_B_ on Aug 16, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

what’s the return policy on the dead dove?

by quantumuprising on Aug 16, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

"I've made a huge mistake."

Great Arrested Development reference.

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by Don Beebe on Aug 16, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

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by Kurupt on Aug 16, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

All of what you say is so painfully true. It hurts that we’re at this point after only 2 drive in the first preseason game. I don’t envy Edwards this season.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 16, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know you envy me. I somehow have been able to glaze over 2 of those drives. It’s peaceful where i’m at, this place.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 16, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I question what could go wrong. Edwards has gotten the majority (all?) of the reps with the ones in training camp. It clearly didn’t have a profound affect on his play on Saturday as evident by his typical Edwardian performance (capable at times, God-awful at others). The offense scored a grand total of 3 points in the first half. Is replacing Edwards with Brohm or Fitzpatrick going to turn the offense from God-awful to….(struggling to find a word that describes worse than God-awful)….atrocious? abominable? flagitious?

They know exactly what they have in Edwards. I couldn’t care less if he’s the one that smells the least in the training camp setting. Apparently, all of our QB’s are steaming piles of dog crap, but at least with the other QBs, there’s an air of unknown on the actual field of play. I see no downside in switching out Edwards at this point. The offense is garbage with him. Perhaps the offense will at least resemble a compost pile with one of the others.

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by Jon Harrington on Aug 16, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I question what could go wrong. Edwards has gotten the majority (all?) of the reps with the ones in training camp.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 16, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Somewhere, Jane Gallagher and Dick Jauron are nodding in agreement.

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by Port Royal on Aug 16, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely!

Great explanation as to where we are. Edwards is Edwards, no matter how much time he has in camp. We are going nowhere with him and deep inside everyone knows it but clings to a miniscule thread of hope. Whatever “flagitious” means I think that describes him.

by floridamike on Aug 16, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

means shameful

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by fansince60 on Aug 16, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

 . . . . . try: “God-less awful”

by knotlenny on Aug 16, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree

While I believe this week Trent remains the one, I also believe that were Brian Brohm to light up the Colts in week 2, he would have a strong case for the one spot.

Trent received the most reps in camp, but all of the quarterbacks had reps with all of the receivers throughout camp, I don’t feel that there would be too much of an adjustment were he to get the reps with the ones following this week.

Also, were Brohm to dominate the Colts this week, I would expect the first cut to be Fitzpatrick so he could latch on as a backup somewhere with a couple weeks before the season starts. He made his case this past week, if Brohms case is better and we know Trent is on this team along with Levi, there isn’t a reason to keep him any longer.

by Bill from LI on Aug 16, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why I disagree with Brian here

Brian’s logic would make excellent sense if this were a normal year when the Bills were hoping to compete for a playoff spot, but it should be obvious to everyone by now that this is going to be a rebuilding year. That means that the REAL start of the regular season for this team will come toward the end of October — about eight games into the schedule. That’s when we need to see the team pull together and begin to win games in order to make clear that Chan Gailey’s plan is a sound one and that there is going to be real hope for a decent season in 2011 (assuming there is a new CBA, of course). Since that is true, the first half of the regular season should be devoted to teaching and tinkering — moving people around and trying new plays to see what is going to work. So if it becomes apparent over the next several weeks that Trent is not the answer, there is no reason why Gailey can’t make a change. In effect he has plenty of time to do so since the “real” season opener is still over two months away.

If Trent begins to do well and there are signs that the offense is coming together, then by all means stick with Trent. But if there is no real improvement — or if one of the other QB’s starts to look really good — there is no reason why Gailey can’t swap horses if he wants to.

by Macktruck on Aug 16, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This is simple, even if gut wrenching

Has any other QB played better? No, so until we get a look at Brohm on Th there is not reason to change things.

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by Joe P. on Aug 16, 2010 8:52 AM EDT reply actions  

The more things stay the same, the delusional we become.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 16, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It is one "Preseason Game!"

First of all, the Bills didn’t play 3 of their starters on the line – Including Wood, Cornell Green, and I believe, Levtitre. I didn’t watch the train wreck, but read that 3 starters were not playing – Until the Bills build a solid line, that is used to playing with one another, and get’s comfortable with one another, and also avoids injuries, I doubt we will know who the QB should be!!!!!
Just like Russ Grimm said at the Hall of Fame induction, “Everybody knows it all starts up front!”
I repeat – It all starts up front, for those that actually know!!!!!!!!!

by BuffaloWhiner on Aug 16, 2010 8:57 AM EDT reply actions   3 recs

the oline actually wasn’t horrendous when trent was in, I was shocked. Still am.

Please do not take what I just said and say I’m happy with our line.

by sketchydave on Aug 16, 2010 9:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

However, that INT was VERY reminicent of the Losman throw against the Jets. Edwards had no business throwing where he did, in my opinion. Evans wasn’t going to get laid out in preseason, for one thing, but that throw was ill-advised from the start. The line can be blamed for the breakdown, but not the throw; not the decision.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 16, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I Couldnt agree any more!!!

Guys we are all flipping our lids at one preseason game where we lost our 2 starting RBS, if we didnt score any points and didnt get 1 first down i wouldnt be concerned. Its the Pre Season, The PRE Season, the Saints lost there first game should there fans be concerned, Dallas got beat up by Oakland should thier fans be concerned, its the Pre Season, where you evaluate the talent in the depths of your roster, you try to find diamonds in the rough and your scouting really gets put to the test, Should we be concerned about the overall efforts of some players maybe but to question a guy who has displayed in camp he is clearly more skilled then everybody else at his position and had a really really promising first drive with 3 non starting maybe even non NFL caliber offensive lineman is terrible, Trent is the # 1 and should be the #1 and should not have his abilities questioned after 1 measly pre season game.

Not to mention he is learning a whole new system to boot.

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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 16, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Were any of those good teams you mentioned losing 35-3 at any point? Buffalo didn’t just lose, they were completely dominated in every facet of the game. And it’s not about the preseason performance as much as it is about how we all should be worried regardless of how this team plays in the preseason because they’re not very good. It’s like if you got beat up sparring while warming up for a fight against Mike Tyson. It only cements what you already knew, that you are going to get your butt whipped.

A lot of QBs have mediocre starts to the preseason, but when we were already concerned about Edwards’ ability to go downfield or work the middle of the field and his only three completions for 10+ yards are a pair of short passes to RBs and a completion on 3rd and 15 that doesn’t go for a first down, then it’s a legit concern.

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by kaisertown on Aug 16, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nice analogy kaiser
It’s like if you got beat up sparring while warming up for a fight against Mike Tyson. It only cements what you already knew, that you are going to get your butt whipped.

Perfectly said.

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by Kurupt on Aug 16, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

You do realize the score doesn't matter in the preseason

But HOW you play does?

No team got as manhandled in the first half as the Bills did. I’m not concerned because I have no hope for this team this year, but for someone who does have some hope, they should be concerned about what they saw.

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by Kurupt on Aug 16, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly this. i'm so tired of the "but its preseason!" argument. final score does not matter, but how you perform does.

by quantumuprising on Aug 16, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's the exact reason

that I don’t really care who the QB is. I want 1 guy to take control of the offense so we can see if that player can lead this team. if he can’t then it should be his last year on the team. right now I think that player is Edwards. we need to see if he has “it”.

by gatornation on Aug 16, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Levitre played

it was Bell who was out, with Meredith at LT… that didn’t matter too much, everythig just seemed blah, but Trent, again, outside of the int, wasn’t too bad

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by killascript on Aug 16, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m all for a new qb -

This has nothing to do with the preseason game; i’ve thought it all along. Heck, i’d rather go with levi brown than trent edwards at this point.

by quantumuprising on Aug 16, 2010 9:02 AM EDT reply actions  

I’d rather go with Brown than Brohm or Fitzpatrick. If we’re talking unknowns, Brown is the only unknown.

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by thefourwinds on Aug 16, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

i still consider brohm to be a relative unknown, in terms of actually seeing the field in extended nfl playing time.

by quantumuprising on Aug 16, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think we should give Edwards one more game

but I am not agaisnt Fitz being a starter this year. Ya i know most of you will flip at that but lets face it idc how good you are during camp it matters when you are in a game. Fitz is far better in games than Edwards. I know some of Fitz’s throws were bad but he got us a TD and went 9/14 61 yards not bad. I would like to see Brohm but idk why Buffalo didn’t let him play last game. But lets face it Edwards can be a practice hero I have seen many of those in my life but when it comes Game Time does he perform?

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by BillsStampede34 on Aug 16, 2010 9:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Absolutely, No

He is the best QB in Camp. Gailey did name him the #1 pecker in camp and in camp he has performed that way. Possibly, the only hope he has this season for success is if our running game gets on track. Both QB’s lacked a productive running game last season. Last season there were to many opportunities for our running game to assist these guys and it failed miserably. We are not good enough at QB to move the chains through the air. We need to get better on the ground first.

Brian Brohm will remain the unknown until he gets more opportunities. This preseason may not be long enough for him to show what he has. He could very well need more time and still has the desire to want to be good, thus needing more than just a few preseason games and more than one camp in this offense.

Ryan Fitzpatrick is proving to be a very special case. He is inaccurate with many throws, but still provides a glimmer of hope for the other 10 guys on the field. The players sense this. The other players need this. Trent’s reputation is not as accepted in this locker room as we might like. The players want to win now and there has been two much history for them to be persuaded to believe he can turn the corner. ON the other hand Fitzpatrick despite his inaccuracies has a better chance and a better knowledge of the game and eventually this offense to make a bigger difference. This with an improved running game is our best opportunity to be successful. As well as allow Brohm and Brown to mature into any future role on this team.

Brown, Who knows, he needs conditioning, experience in camp, experience in preseason games and needs to learn the speeds of the game, and Gailey’s offensive strategies before any educated opinion can be formed.

I am so against another season with Trent behind center and I can feel the insecurity of the other members on this team. Four months is a long time and for the other players on this team it is a career with Trent Edwards at QB.

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by VanScottM on Aug 16, 2010 9:03 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m really confused here – I know you voted No, but I don’t see a clear-cut reason why you think he should be benched. Unless you tried to make that clear in your Fitzpatrick paragraph.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 16, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

My bad

I am still trying to formulate a legitimate argument for Fitzpatrick. He has the perfect opportunity to run away with this whole thing, yet he hasn’t. I look at Edwards as a very talented QB in Camp but very inconsistent in games. Fitzpatrick I view as very inconsistent in camp but more consistent in games. Yes mediocre would be the word. Still I see Fitzpatrick providing more opportunity for the other players to make plays than Trent. The players on the field want to make plays and it is my opinion they feel they have more opportunity to do this without Edwards at the helm.

Let’s not forget out of all the QB’s we have on the roster neither are considered our long term answer for the position. At least not this season. Brohm and Brown are still unproven, so my argument is more Edwards or Edwards Vs Fitzpatrick. Edwards had a good drive in the beginning of the game. He has had many good drives in games, then he just disappears like for ever from that point. You never know with Fitzpatrick, He will give you a three and out, but studies the defense and improvises in the next series and gives you a little more hope. Sometimes he will give you that big play. To me he just gives us a little more hope from series to series where in Edwards case, when he crawls back into that shell we may never see him again. Your probably more confused now than in the beginning. I see a better response from the team with Fitzpatrick in there than I do with Edwards and to many times his regressions last for a few games.

Maybe what I am saying or seeing that I see more chemistry with Fitzpatrick in there than I do with Trent.

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by VanScottM on Aug 16, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Still

A solid running game would help either QB tremendously. This gets the entire O-Line involved along with the RB’s. Although it was the second team of the colts, that O-Line was pumped to give Freddy his 1,000 yards. That gets everyone involved. Even the most mediocre players will give you extra if they feel a part of something. ie….Keith Ellison.

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by VanScottM on Aug 16, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fitzpatrick will not start unless there is an injury, or two. He looked very bad in that game, and I didn’t see any glimmer. 3 and outs all over the place is not a good thing, and frankly, out don’t see how one could advocate shaking up the depth chart based on anything we saw Friday. Give Brohm more time with the 2s in game, and like someone else said, then if he lights it up, give him soem number one time. For now, its Trent

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by killascript on Aug 16, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am still trying to formulate a legitimate argument for Fitzpatrick.

That will take some doing. He’s like Edwards, but worse. Maybe he beats out Edwards in head size?

I’m not saying Edwards is very good, but in terms of game experience, even performance, Edwards is a shade better than Fitzpatrick. Also Edwards has and can be very accurate. Fitzpatrick will never be. To me, there is nothing worse than short / medium passes hitting guys in the feet.

by syrbillsfan on Aug 16, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, as far as Fitzpatrick giving more hope from drive to drive, I’m not so sure about that either. He throws godawful stupid picks with the best of them.

by syrbillsfan on Aug 16, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

how about their win-loss records last year?

by quantumuprising on Aug 16, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

And yet his QB rating was still lower than Edwards. Not sure how you can be a better QB when you are obviously consistently worse. The only game Fitzpatrick had over 100 in QB rating was the last garbage game against the Colts second and third stringers. Heck, he only had one game over 90 apart from that! He is an awful QB. I’m not saying Edwards is awesome, but Fitzpatrick should never play unless the starting QB is actually injured, and if that is going to be for a prolonged period of time, you should find another starter.

Sure he got more wins, but you can’t be at all certain Edwards wouldn’t have gotten wins in those games either. In theory he would have played the position better, so one would think they would have done even better in those games.

What I am saying is, Fitzpatrick didn’t win those games, the team won those games. The team won all the games they won, regardless of who was at QB. All six of them. Woo!

by clownfat on Aug 16, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a little myopic if you ask me. Sure, Fitzpatrick won more games last year, but statistically not much seemed to be do to him, outside of the win against the colts backups. The Bills were horrible no matter who was quarterbacking. You need to look at career starts and their overall record, Trent “wins” hands down. I didn’t deal us this crappy hand, just gotta roll with what we’ve got. I still have trouble getting my mind around the vehement support for Fitzpatrick. He’s got a big head, can walk and hold a football at the same time, throws a good deep pass about 1% of the time, and the rest of the time he throws balls over, under, wide left and wide right from his intended target. Trent might check down to his RBs a lot, but we’ve got good RB’s and not much else, so if they can develop a say, 10th grade game plan, we’ll be more solid on offense. I really believe Peyton Manning and Tom Brady would have been awful playing on the 2009 Buffalo Bills. Not as awful as our craptastic bunch, but awful nonetheless.

Until we see opening day, I don’t think Gailey should change out Edwards, barring injury. We aren’t going to see anything resembling the new offense or defense until the Bills play a game that matters.

by syrbillsfan on Aug 16, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

What if he sucks again

At some point, given the state of the o-line, we need a QB that can make some plays on his own, rolling out, making some throws on the run. I voted yes to be fair and agree with the short turnaround point, but I need to see Trent make some plays with a collapsed pocket. Although Trent may be the best in practice that we have and it may be a step back backwards going with someone else if he sucks again and then again I need to see someone else with the ones. Moreover, this is a rebuilding year and I would like to find out what we have in Brohm and Brown.

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by garcia76 on Aug 16, 2010 9:08 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t look at this season as a rebuild. I look at it as the’re likely clawing their way down the endless hall to mediocrity’s door.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 16, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

you cant compare 1st team reps to 2nd

im sure Trent would have looked better playing when Fitz did

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by billsoferie on Aug 16, 2010 9:10 AM EDT reply actions  

trent cant scramble

he doesn’t move from the pocket and right now we dont have the line to protect him. Fitz at least moves and makes plays. Unless this team is going to do what they did first drive and do quick passes all season which i dont mind cause they worked, Trent is not the man for the job. He looks like Drew Bledsoe just standing there are the pocket collapses.

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by BillsStampede34 on Aug 16, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree

He has absolutely no pocket presence. He doesn’t step up in the pocket to avoid the rush, and is not hard to bring down once someone gets there. Throw in he locks onto his receivers and there it is, a dead dove in a bag.

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by garcia76 on Aug 16, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

If there were enough room to step in the pocket I would agree with your statement. And this goes for Fitz too. Both Edwards and Ftiz didn’t have many oportunities to step up, plant their feet and deliver.

This offense will be similar to what we saw in the first series, the problem will come when we’re forced to do something we are not good at yet, and that is pass protection. On that 3 and 13, we went with 4 wides. The tackles did their job but Cordaro Howard lost containent inside making it imposible for, in this case, Edwards to step up and see a longer pattern develop. He ends un throwing short to Lynch.
Same with Fitzs, his first series, he faces 3 and 8, altough the call was for a quick slant, he had one teammate ridden at he feet. If the plan would have been to wait for a longer route he would have been sacked by his own teammate.

The worst part is that when the IOL can sustain their blocks the tackles let their man slip and let them hit the QB from behind. There is no consistency whatsoever.

I see other teams hightlights, wheter is 1st string or 3rd string OLs they can form a pocket now and then, we don’t seem capable to this.

by Fixxxer on Aug 16, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very astute Fixxxer

My memory of the 3rd and long play is not as good as yours, but my point is that a functional quarterback needs to know when to step up in the pocket, slide left or right, roll or run like hell with it. I can definately cede that our o-line does not provide a consistent pocket to step in to, so….. do something else. Not sure if it can be coached, I think it is more of an attitude and instinct, but Trent doesn’t have even 1% Rothlisberger.

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by garcia76 on Aug 16, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree with you

Edwards thinks too much instead of playing with instincts. He lost his natural ability to play the position.. Now he panics and throws a pick 6 when things aren’t perfect.

That is why Fitz seems to be the better option even though he is not a talented player.

by Fixxxer on Aug 16, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

we’ve all seen Trent scramble in the past, so now you’re making no sense. I obviously can’t post film of it, but I have seen him run plenty

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by killascript on Aug 16, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sure he runs

but I am telling you that since he started in the league till now he will most likely take a hit and stand in the pocket as it collapses around him. Sure he can scramble here and there but Fitz does it better and can throw while on the run

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by BillsStampede34 on Aug 16, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Scrambling is not the same as having good pocket presence

I agree he has made some plays with his legs, I need to see him make some good throws after the pressure is on. Not saying it has never happened, but through these eyes, once the pressure is on the play is dead when he is in.

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by garcia76 on Aug 16, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

to both of you

that kind of thing does not make Fitz a better option regardless.

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by killascript on Aug 16, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

I want to try/coach someone who, as a fellow rumbler put it, “has less doo doo on their jersey” (should be paraphrased, use ’ ?), Brohm obviously 1st, then who knows. IF i’m going to watch what I did Friday, I need new blood.

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by garcia76 on Aug 16, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

trent cant scramble

He can when he is confident. The key to this whole puzzle – can Chan get Edwards to where he needs to be confidence wise by the end of the pre-season? only time will tell….

by syrbillsfan on Aug 16, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trent averaged 7.6 yards a rush last year. Fitz averaged 4.5 yards.
In terms of scrambling in the pocket, that just is not Trents game, he likes to stand in the pocket and with our O-line, that style is not the best, so I can see your point there.
Fitzpatrick does make plays, however not all of them are good plays. He throws signifigantly more interceptions than Edwards and his yards per completion (compared to Edwards his are .1 less) does nothing to make up for that. I would rather have a sack than a “run around and chuck the ball up and have it intercepted” thing.

by Xaviermw on Aug 16, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

You make a very good point. Fitzpatrick was an equal starter last season. On the other side of the field, look how poised Rex Grossman looked. He was playing against second-teamers. Rex F’ing Grossman!

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 16, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fitz

gives this bills team hope, Trent does give them hope for a drive here and there. Fitz has the ability to move from the pocket and our O-line just doesnt have the talent to keep out the pass rush. Fitz it has to be, Idk about Brohm how he is with a scramble but we need someone who moves and doesnt have lead feet. Remember the days with Bledsoe in the pocket just standing there, great passer but never moved.

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by BillsStampede34 on Aug 16, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 16, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

but

Fitz looked worse anyway, so its a little null and void to me

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by killascript on Aug 16, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

he has to be the starter

he is the lesser of 3 evils. until we get a solid o-line up front we will suffer. you could put peyton manning behind that line and he wouldn’t play well either. this line has needed to be addressed since drew bledsoe, the fact that we culd have drafted mike oher or another quality tackle but took aaron maybin instead?? and this year cj spiller and no LT. these draft picks leave me thinking matt millen is running the show in buffalo

by jaybird3232 on Aug 16, 2010 9:13 AM EDT reply actions  

I think you could put Payton Manning behind Playdoh and he’d be nearly as effective.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 16, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

as effective as he is with Indy or as effective as Trent?

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by fansince60 on Aug 16, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Indy. Peyton Manning is a very particular type of special. He knows his players strenghs, and he plays to them. This includes the o-line. He’s as much a coach on that team as he is a player. As an aside, Frank Reich has the most cake job in all of the NFL. Curtis Painter comes a close 2nd.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 16, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling they're going to keep all 4 guys.

It’s not unheard of, right? I seem to remember Travis Brown being a 4th-stringer for a couple seasons.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 16, 2010 9:15 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t. If they keep Brown on the active roster they’ll cut one of the other three.

I think more likely Brown will be on the practice squad. I can’t imagine another team picking him up for the active roster, and I can’t imagine Brown thinking he’d have a better opportunity on another team (so that he’d choose the Bills practice squad over another team’s PS).

by Pistol on Aug 16, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think there should be a change.

But regardless, I can’t imagine for a second that Gailey is going to change his mind based on that game, particularly since, by nearly every account, Edwards has been the best QB in camp. I don’t think the coach wants to be viewed by the team as a flip-flopper with his QBs after 4 series (particularly when he’s an offensive based coach).

by Pistol on Aug 16, 2010 9:17 AM EDT reply actions  

I voted yes

because, to paraphrase the old political rally cry (referring to CHIX and NOT anyone on this thread/blog), “It’s the OL, stupid”. Even if the 3 who didn’t play were in there, it would have been basically the same names as last year.
Isn’t that the definition of insanity? Doing the same things, the same way (with the same people) and expecting different results.
Applsoss used two good cliches above, “Nix stood pat” and Gailey “made his bed”. Now we as fans are “between a rock and a hard place”.
As long as our OL is what it is, we will NOT know if Trent can play or not. Is that HIS fault?

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by fansince60 on Aug 16, 2010 9:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Voted No

Not another year of Trent plz.. Lets see how Brohm does plz.. Not another year of Trent plz..

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First time I think I’ve ever seen “plz” used three times in what is technically one train of thought.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 16, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i think my head just exploded

by quantumuprising on Aug 16, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait everyone! (Just to lighten the mood)...

All of those people fumbling for the draft rewind button take note: In the above photo, Brian Orakpo is nearly in a Bills’ uniform.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 16, 2010 9:27 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m more upset with the rigged competition than I am with Edwards’ performance in the preseason opener, which looked like the same Trent Edwards that has failed the past three years. So Brohm doesn’t play last week and Fitzy sits this week? So this nonsense about everyone starting from scratch in 4 man competition was actually just a two man competition to backup Edwards? Like 07 when Edwards was given the job twice over a healthy veteran despite several lackluster performances, like 08 and 09 when Buffalo refused to bring in real competition for Edwards so as not to scare him, Edwards is being handed the job on a silver platter once again. I’m not going to make any negative predictions, but just don’t say Edwards was never given a fair chance due to external factors like coaches and personnel. This mid-round afterthought has had a charmed existence in this league that most 1st round franchise quarterbacks don’t receive. Somebody up there (possibly somebody very old) likes him.

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by Port Royal on Aug 16, 2010 9:30 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I’m not saying Edwards was never given a fair chance. But I think it’s clear that Brohm and Fitz just can’t cut it either. So why insist on losing with them just so the fan base finally acknowledges that both Fitz and Brohm also stink. Brown is the only unknown QB commodity on the roster.

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by thefourwinds on Aug 16, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t at all surprised to find out that someone wants Edwards to succeed. Which may mean that a guy like Brohm wasn’t really given a full chance to be the starter. Whomever it is, may very well want to squeeze every option out of Edwards before packing him away. They’ve been fairly trigger happy when it comes to removing starting QBs from their post.

I think Brohm has the ability, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he wasn’t given a fair shake of it this season. I don’t think it’s that he stinks. He’s as much asn unknown as Brown is to the Bills.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 16, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

REC'D

Well said

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by Kurupt on Aug 16, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you’re missing this -

The pecking order was equally split up in all offseason work prior to training camp. Sure, what Nix saw last year has some bearing on the outcome of the QB pecking order, but Gailey was the final decider. Based on what he saw in tape and prior to training camp, we got Trent #1, Fitz/Brohm 2-3, and then Brown last.

Also, of the bunch, Fitzpatrick did the worst in the pre-TC workouts, especially after the whole “pecking order” situation was announced.

My question is not what Trent has done to deserve the number 1 spot, it is this: What exactly has Fitzpatrick done here or elsewhere in the past to convince so many people that he would be ANY better than Trent?

To me, if the Bills are interested in a foundation for the future, at least from what I’ve seen is to stick with Trent and Brohm. If they think something is there, start Brohm, otherwise coach up Edwards as much as you can and see what happens.

by syrbillsfan on Aug 16, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

“but just don’t say Edwards was never given a fair chance due to external factors like coaches and personnel”

I’ll let you play in doubles Wimbledon match without any proof you can play well but you have to have a paraplegic partner. Don’t say I never gave you a fair chance though.

by clownfat on Aug 16, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

after 1 preseason game you can’t change the QB. the fact remains that Edwards is the most talented of the group. Fitz is a backup only, who knows what Brohm is and Brown needs to be brought along slowly.
we need to see what Edwards does with this opportunity to see if he is a QB that should stay here long term. While I’m not hopeful of that coming to fruition I think he needs to play.
I’m thinking this year is going to be a train wreck but a necessary one. OBD should have their pick of the QB’s coming out next year and can build around that individual. It looks to be a good year to be bad if you need a QB.

by gatornation on Aug 16, 2010 9:34 AM EDT reply actions  

the fact remains

I’m sorry, it is not factual that Trent Edwards is the most talented of the group. You can make that claim and that’s fine, but in my opinion, he’s the least talented QB I’ve watched extensively in 23 seasons following this team. In my opinion, Fitzpatrick is more talented and I have no clue about Brohm or Brown. Your evaluation is completely different than mine.

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by Port Royal on Aug 16, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed. i actually don’t think he’s the most talented in any individual area, nonetheless overall. inb4 obligatory “he’s the most talented in checking down!” comment.

by quantumuprising on Aug 16, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Fitzpatrick is so much more talented, why do half his passes look like garbage?

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 16, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

half is being generous.

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by fansince60 on Aug 16, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who said "so much"?

Edwards throws plenty of ducks as well. My evaluation is that Fitzy is often erratic, but he’ll make a play more often than Edwards will in the course of a game…he’s a little more talented based on his running ability and ability to connect on the deep ball more often. The gap isn’t huge, but it’s not factual that Edwards is the most talented of this group.

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by Port Royal on Aug 16, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it’s factual that Trent Edwards is the most talented passer of the group. You could argue “most talented” I suppose but Edwards throws are better than Brohm’s or Fitzpatrick’s.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 18, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

He still gets it in the endzone

The man is not afraid to go to any WR and lets them make the plays. Sure not all his passes are on target but are Trent’s on target, the one to Evans during the first game looked like he was a rookie QB again. Come on Fitz should be the starter at least he can move around and try to make a play. I would rather a pass be in the dirt than picked off.

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by BillsStampede34 on Aug 16, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Focus on the other half

that’s how I do it.

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by VanScottM on Aug 16, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

the other half belongs in the recycling bin

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by fansince60 on Aug 16, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

RECRECRECRECREC

OH, but his scrambling is AWESOME! Scrambling ability has really been a QB’s meal ticket in this league :)

by syrbillsfan on Aug 16, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

not going to get into historical evaluations

but there have been plenty of QB’s worse than Edwards in Bills history. Edwards has not had a fair shake in his time here. some of it was his doing but I think OBD needs to see what they have in Edwards to make a decision on the future of the position. If he plays decent he may be worth keeping and be the gatekeeper for the next QB that hopefully will be drafted next year. If not only one of these current QB’s will probably be on the roster next season.

by gatornation on Aug 16, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

excuse me?

Edwards has not had a fair shake in his time here.

he’s started 30 games for the bills over 3 years. how long do you wait before you consider it a fair shake??

by quantumuprising on Aug 16, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm taking

everything into account, meaning previous coaching staffs, offensive ability of that coaching staff, etc. Edwards was handcuffed and it showed. I believe that stunted his growth. This coaching staff is known to be a more progressive offensive staff so Edwards should get better. if he doesn’t then he’ll be out of a job.

by gatornation on Aug 16, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I voted yes.

If Edwards comes out and stinks it up yet again, then we have to all hope and pray that Brohm makes the most of his opportunity and has a Sage Rosenfels-esque performance (310 yds and 3 TDs). I don’t under any circumstances see that happening, but if the second team is moving down the field and scoring points, it might offer some glimmer of hope. Edwards might be technically the most talented of the group, but the question remains whether he has it between the ears. It seemed like the same ol’ Edwards with his trademark checkdowns and indecision in the pocket. The one thing I took away from Brohm’s start last year was that, in the face of very heavy pressure against the Falcons, he showed pretty solid awareness and pocket presence despite a very porous and beleagured OL. Whether that manifests itself this week still remains the big question, but I will be anxious to see one way or the other.

by live6453 on Aug 16, 2010 9:45 AM EDT reply actions  

"YES"

I not always into Woulds, coulda, or shoulda’s… but it was the FIRST pre-season game and we have an entirely new system. Three starting OL out and we looked a lot better than what we looked liked a year ago. I am not saying that it is a solid team and they are ready to play with the “Big Boys”, but you could see where they were all on the same page and until the 2nd stringers came in… (they made a lot of the mistakes from there on…).

Here is where I will go to the “Couldas” IF EDWARDS CONNECTS ON THE BOMB TO JOHNSON… NAYSAYERS WOULD BE CHEERING EDWARDS TODAY. He didn’t… who’s fault was it? (Edwards over throw, Johnson not accelerating, OL not giving enough time?) Who cares… But I like the fact that he was looking down field… threw a nice ball that unfortunately didn’t connect. It will not happen every series with Edwards, but I think they will take their shots this year and we’ll see some big hitters if our OL can give him a little time and build some confidence…

by dabillsr1 on Aug 16, 2010 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

We need a QB to display a bit of moxie, like Kelly used to do so well

Here’s a fairly recent example, though against 3rd-string competition:
http://www.sbnation.com/2010/8/15/1624634/broncos-bengals-preseason-tim-tebow-debut

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 16, 2010 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

First off

Tebow scored a TD but he didnt look great. If you watch him when he drops back he still brings the ball way back and the one time he was going to get hit you will see the ball come back and the defender was a split second away from making it a fumble. End of story Tebow has a long way to go. But your right he does bring a win mentality and everything goes when he is out there. Looked good but far from being ready to play in the NFL

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by BillsStampede34 on Aug 16, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know he didn’t look great. Well I don’t know that. I can only read that he didn’t appear tremendous. That play is awesome, and that’s all I want out of a QB who plays for this team. Jim Kelly had a very similar play in his NFL infancy, which forever changed the history of the Bills.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 16, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope you realize the can of worms you just opened. Voldemort! Voldemort! Voldemort!

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by Jon Harrington on Aug 16, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

why

because I watched tebow almost give up like 3 fumbles because he still doesnt bring the ball back correctly. Verus a first string thats a fumble or a sack everytime

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by BillsStampede34 on Aug 16, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you press the “up” link, you’ll find that my comment was a reply to Afghan.

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by Jon Harrington on Aug 16, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know. I’m not trying to open the can. But something as simple as that play could change a lot of peoples’ minds about Edwards. Remember that game out in KC? The one where he scrambled like Fran Tarkenton? That’s the Trent Edwards we know is hiding somewhere, the one who would take control of this team like no one else on the roster. So, who’s job is it to find that guy? Hopefully it’s Gailey, who saw this performance in person.

No, Tebow was not a good idea for this team. He requires a very particular type of team, with a very exact type of coach. This team needs someone who’s more able to do things traditionally, without a lot of smoke and mirrors. I do enjoy watching that guy play, though.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 16, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Edwards

I voted yes. Gailey is going with the most talented, experienced QB. I can’t gain much from the pre-season as last year our pre-season OFF was awful and then we carved up the Pats on a few drives on MNF in Week 1-go figure. I am just really going to be curious if Gailey can design schemes and ways to use the weapons we do have to move the chains. Edwards is not a drop back, carve you up QB. And in this league if you can’t hit seam routes and deep outs consistently, your offense can’t score points. I just hope we can find consistency….5 OL starters, 1 QB and consisent coaching. Let’s build a foundation in year 1 Gailey.

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by MARVelous on Aug 16, 2010 10:06 AM EDT reply actions  

who has more yards and points from 09 fitz or trent?

Trent under center in practice is awesome then in live games he can’t release quick enough and gets sacked.
Fitz has the confidence to throw a deep ball, and remembers he has legs that can help make him plays.
Like vanscott said above, fitz goes three and out then comes back and makes adjustments. Trent just goes downhill after he fails.
We need a qb under center who can release the ball quick, and “read the defense” (insert LTs nike commercial song here)
Unfortionately the best of the proven two is trent, in practice he makes good reads in games he loses his mind.

Such a hard debate.

Would it be nuts if brohm looks good to start him with the ones in the last preseason game?

by sketchydave on Aug 16, 2010 10:49 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

One big hit and He's done

That’s what I see from Edwards.It seemed that Gailey even left Trent in longer after the INT to see how He’d deal with it,and He got even worse from what I saw,so I voted no on the poll.After the big hit,all a defense has to do is show blitz and Trent goes into a shell behind center.I really hope that Brohm flashes something,anything at this point,but as much as I really don’t like Fitz he seems to have the better composure back there.Gailey has said that it’s a wide open competition,so we should hold Him to that and if Brohm does anything good in game 2,then let Him and Fitz go 1 and 2 for the 3rd game of the preseason..

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by 3nOutNoMore on Aug 16, 2010 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Only if we’ve ruled out the uber-wildcat in which Fred Jackson takes all the snaps with Lynch and Spiller both on the field.

by Hopefulcynic on Aug 16, 2010 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Did he really suck last Friday?

What if Stupar hadn’t committed that holding penalty on Marshawn’s run and if our two starting RB’s hadn’t gotten knocked out on the first series of downs? None of those things were Trent’s fault. Let’s suppose we had first and goal on the Redskins’ four and then managed to punch the ball in for a TD. And if the team continued to move the ball well on the next series thanks to Fred and Marshawn’s legs, perhaps ending up with a FG or another TD. All of that is perfectly plausible if those three events that were totally beyond Trent’s control had not happened. Would everyone still be calling for his replacement?

But there is an “on the other hand.” Trent did fail to show much ability or leadership once the going got tough. He failed to hit Stevie Jackson by a country mile on the deep ball (instead of adjusting for Jackson’s slower speed), he threw that wretched pick not far from his own endzone, and he messed up on the fourth-and-inches by wasting a timeout when a delay-of-game would have made more sense. All of that and more can be chalked up to “the old Trent.” Brian says we are simply stuck with him, but I completely disagree. This is a rebuilding year, which means you can make moves that you would not normally make if you have a reasonable shot at the playoffs (which we clearly don’t).

Add it all up and I would say we defiinitely need to give Trent more time. It IS a big decision, and so at a minimum Gailey ought to see how Trent does this coming Thursday and also how Brohm does. If Brohm looks really good out there under actual game conditions, then a switch should be considered on the grounds that Brohm might have a lot more upside than Trent. What if Brohm is only so-so or worse? Then it will depend on how well Trent performs from this point on. If the offense can’t get anywhere with him, then a change will have to be made to whoever looks the most promising. It’s not a great situation, to say the least, but the team will need to be flexible and smart to get the most out of this rebuilding year.

by Macktruck on Aug 16, 2010 11:31 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

A voice of reason.

Agreed and received. A very tough decision. My bias gets the best of me often. I couldn’t agree more though with that final paragraph. This is the basis for my vote until someone else can play as well in games as they do in practice.

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by VanScottM on Aug 16, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Trent led well

He made good checks to runs on the first drive. The deep ball to Johnson was a great look off of the Safety and got Johnson isolated, but just missed him. When Marshawn and Jackson went down, Spiller showed his inexperience in pass protection on one play in particular. Plus, Jamon had trouble with the speed rushers. Also, consider that Washington played Haynesworth with the 2s, so that behemoth was on the second team fresh against our winded lineman. Trent was hit as he threw often. He made good reads on the blitz and hit Roscoe for a good gainer early on. I think he responded well in different situations.

Like Brian said, we saw the dead bird in the bag. I don’t think that means we need to shake everything up – Fitz was erratic and had more checkdowns than Trent.

Did anyone else think the Skins blitzed a lot for the preseason opener?

by WV2Buffalo on Aug 16, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

They did

blitz a lot but its scary that it rattled buffalo that much we couldnt do anything about it. If teams find out that, its over from the kickoff. I know Fitz was erratic but he still scored a TD and drove us down the field. That guy is not afraid, may not look as good as trent in practice but trent looks horrible in games…..we will see about the next preseason game. Lets just pray Trent gets his stuff together because we all know its not open competition…I mean Brohm didnt even get a shot.

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by BillsStampede34 on Aug 16, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

More running game

I thought the running game looked reasonably well for the opener, but Chan had a lot of spread formations on early downs, too. I would like to see him pound the run more on Thursday – like he’s talked about all offseason – to take some of the pressure off the qbs and discourage blitzing in obvious passing situations. Trent had some nice bootleg actions off the run fake and threw well on the move (interception not withstanding). If we commit to the run, then the qbs may be able to convert some more third downs. I guess Gailey may have spread the offense out early to get a better evaluation of Trent, but I just don’t think that the spread on early downs will be what we run in the regular season — let’s get Trent prepared for what we will likely operate in.

by WV2Buffalo on Aug 16, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

and he messed up on the fourth-and-inches by wasting a timeout when a delay-of-game would have made more sense.

I highly doubt that was Trent’s decision.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 18, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

options?

Jeff Garcia is still unemployed, no?

by JJBUD on Aug 16, 2010 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

And oddly enough, not getting any younger.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 16, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you

Of course it’s far too late, but I wonder if if Chix ever called him?

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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Aug 16, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d hope not. Isn’t he about to turn 40? He’s at the wrong end of shaping a team into an annual contender.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 16, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is anybody?

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by Kurupt on Aug 16, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heh

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 16, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

False

He’s just a figment of F. Scott Fitzgerald’s imagination.

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by Kurupt on Aug 16, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great, now you ruined it for me!

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 16, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

bruce willis was dead the whole time.

by quantumuprising on Aug 16, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are actually dead in the alternate reality.

by Xaviermw on Aug 16, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

And it was all a dream

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by Kurupt on Aug 16, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

He threw 12 TD’s and 6 INT in 12 games in 08. Not awesome, but I would take one year of him over our guys, maybe they would learn something.

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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Aug 16, 2010 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Sure, why not?

No matter who is taking the snaps, we’re going to be quite bad offensively. It really doesn’t matter who is the QB placeholder.

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by Kurupt on Aug 16, 2010 11:57 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m starting to think they took Spiller just so opposing defenses would have to respect/feat someone on offense.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 16, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

There’s a lot to that.

by Macktruck on Aug 16, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Aug 16, 2010 11:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Whoa. This.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 16, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

QBs

so what if BB throws 3 touchdowns against 2nd and 3rd string players on thurs, does it mean anything.Trent is the best option for this team. Unless Levi is gonna be great or BB is waiting to shine. The only thing the FO could’ve done diffrent as far as the QB position goes would’ve been, Whitehurst or Mcnabb, past that fitz is what he is.He will never be an above average or even averge starting QB.If trent can show what he did before and then some this year, we can draft the best avaliable OT next year and hope he dosen’t bust. If we draft ponder or locker next year and we have the same terruble OL, either would be scared for life imo.

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by Frenobillsfan on Aug 16, 2010 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Clausen?

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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Aug 16, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Bills specified no pickle on their plate of roasted buffalo.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 16, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Early reports have Whitehurst struggling to surpass Losman. Remember him? He’s that one-trick pony who liked Lee Evans-a lot.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 16, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Losman is awesome!….uh, for the Raiders..trying to think of a good analogy…

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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Aug 16, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

a rubber crutch. It looks like the answer, but, don’t depend on it.

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by fansince60 on Aug 16, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice!

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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Aug 16, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Losman’s now with the Seahawks.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 16, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who will be terrible, yeah!

by syrbillsfan on Aug 16, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thigpen?

Remember that Miami currently has four QB’s on their roster — Henne, Pennington, Pat White, and Thigpen. Chances are they are going to cut one of them. It might be White, but he was a 2nd round draft choice a year ago. They could put White on the P.S., but that’s not a good move if they want to keep him. So they may cut Thigpen. If they do, or if they are willing to trade him for very little, I would not be surprised if the Bills perked up their ears.

by Macktruck on Aug 16, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they bring someone else in, then they’re likely going to have to cut 2 guys, and go with someone who hasn’t had any time with the players in camp.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 16, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thigpen is the only QB I can see them bringing in at this late hour — he does know Chan Gailey’s system cold. And yes, if they bring him in I assume Trent and one other guy would go.

by Macktruck on Aug 16, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

When Thiggy played for Chan

They played in a system called “Arrowspread.” It was KC’s wildcat. So even Buffalo’s offense would change around if Thiggy was brought in to steer it.

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by troy145 on Aug 17, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

This is a case of “the grass is greener”. As soon as we bench Trent for Fitz or Brohm, a little time will go by, and we’ll be screaming for Edwards again. He’s the best of the worst, so he should start and play.

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by Dyl on Aug 16, 2010 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Fitz

did just fine last year with the position he was in. I doubt Trent would have won some of those games.

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by BillsStampede34 on Aug 16, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fine is a relative word here.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 16, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don’t think anyone was screaming for trent last year. i know i wasn’t. fitz clearly gave us a better chance to win games last year, imo.

by quantumuprising on Aug 16, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup – 0.2% instead of 0.1%

I actually think Trent would have rocked even more against Indy’s backups, since they play the 4-3 defense and all. Trent just needs as much insight as he can from George Edwards as to where to find cracks in the 3-4.

by syrbillsfan on Aug 16, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

…the only people “screaming” for Edwards should be 10yr old girls

by kgun80 on Aug 16, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

I don’t think anybody will be screaming for Edwards.

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by Kurupt on Aug 16, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably just AT him. haha

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by bflo on Aug 16, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

As soon as we bench Trent for Fitz or Brohm, a little time will go by, and we’ll be screaming for Edwards again.

Highly unlikely. I’ll scream for Brohm, then Fitz, then Brown. Then, I’ll scream for an open audition at Ralph Wilson Stadium among the first 1,000 fans to show up. Then, I’ll scream for the winner of the Punt, Pass, and Kick competition in the 14-15 year-old boys division.

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by Jon Harrington on Aug 16, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hilarious and sadly, I’m with you!!

by kgun80 on Aug 16, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

trent and fitz did the same last year with our majority practice sqaud OL. Did u watch Whitehurst, he looked great.

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by Frenobillsfan on Aug 16, 2010 12:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Trent stinks

I’m extremely surprised that after watching this guy’s inability to perform when it counts, he still has so many defenders. Trent’s a great interviewee but not a great employee. He sends his best representative to practice, but when it’s time to perform, he fails miserably. This guy looks great in training camp because there is no chance of being hit. He plays real games the same way he practices. Drops back slow.. stands completely upright.. and if there’s any rush, he either makes a poor pass or is sacked! No elusiveness, no internal clock, this guy is a wreck and a liability in the pocket! He is weaker than weak… we might as well give Brohm a shot because Trent and Fitz have both had theirs and the Bills are no better for it!!

by kgun80 on Aug 16, 2010 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think anyone is advocating a long term extension for Edwards. we need to see if he gets it and right now we don’t know. he seemed like he was getting it 2 years ago and then he got hit and things changed. can he shake it, we don’t know unless he plays. the wildcard is Brohm but he hasn’t really wowed anyone from GB to here so I don’t know if he is the answer either.

by gatornation on Aug 16, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m extremely surprised that after watching this guy’s inability to perform when it counts

What exactly counts in a preseason game, let alone the very first preseason game? What Gailey brings to the table – excellent playcalling / game planning on offense is rendered useless during the preseason. Even the best teams suck during the preseason. Also, our top 2 RBs went down during the first series and there were penalties galore.

Just copy and paste your comment above if and when Trent honks the season opener.

by syrbillsfan on Aug 16, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

Good call. When it counts? Since when does preseason count. He had a really good drive and then three and outs. There isn’t anyone on the roster that’s better, so obviously TE should get the nod.

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by silverstreak3k on Aug 16, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently you guys believe that Friday night was Trent’s first NFL experience. For the record, every time you step on the field it counts, but clearly the regular season matters most. Trent’s 14-16 with 24 TD’s and 25 INT’s in his career. I’d say he’s had his chance and it’s been pretty pathetic to watch. Good God, how could you keep throwing that mophead back on the field?!

by kgun80 on Aug 16, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously? does it even matter who the QB is? I mean – seriously. Unless his name is Levi Brown I have almost no interest in debating any of these crappy QBs with a crappy o-line in front of them.

Let’s just get through this as fans the best we can and hope for player development across the board – that should be our focus right now. Winning is definately secondary this year

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Aug 16, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL @ “that mophead” – no matter what the guy does, new nicknames continue to spring up. Sad.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 16, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

He deserves this one.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 18, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

So you tink Fitzy is the better option?

Or perhaps Brohm? This poll question is about who should start. Are you telling me you think that Fitzy and Brohm give the Bills a better shot at a win?

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by silverstreak3k on Aug 16, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Edwards

The guy needs to go. What is his upside, even in a Chan Gailey offense. Fitz gives us a better chance to win games. Yes, Fitz is nothing more than a backup on a mediocre team, but he has guts and a certain moxy that Edwards doesn’t possess. Cut Edwards, start Fitz, and if he’s horrific, play Brohm. If we get to the last 3 or 4 games and both are atrocious, start Levi, take the losses, and cash in on a top 5 pick.

by rmensch on Aug 16, 2010 12:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I guess i’m just hopeing we don’t have to draft a QB, give hime 80 million, and have him bust or go play baseball or demand a trade ala Eli and Elway

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by Frenobillsfan on Aug 16, 2010 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

You can’t bench a guy for six passes. He was appointed to the first team because he has been the best thus far in the off season. It should take at least one more quarter like that to legitimately move Fitzpatrick up.

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by Trashplate on Aug 16, 2010 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Problem is...

…we’ve seen more than six passes from Edwards. The dude is not a starting QB in this league. and last year the Bills were a better squad with Fitz at the helm. I think the team is more confident in Fitz and I’ve read some things from opposing coaches and scouts that said the same exact thing. Edwards isn’t the next Jim Kelly or heck, even the next JP Losman. I’d rather have Losman. At least he took shots down the field and made Lee Evans somewhat valuable.

by rmensch on Aug 16, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont know if I can vote until aftr the next game. If you could throw up another vote after thursday that would be great. I want to see Brohm get a long shot (2 quartersish) with the 2nd team… and see how Trent fairs against Indy.

But daang he looked bad after that first drive.

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by bflo on Aug 16, 2010 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I was hoping there was a Tim Tebow option

but alas there was not. He did pretty well in his debut…..

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by silverstreak3k on Aug 16, 2010 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Denver might...

….get something out of Tebow, but our coaches wouldn’t have been smart enough to utilize him. I also want to see Timmy out there against a first or second team defense. Can’t get too excited about his work against 3rd stringers.

by rmensch on Aug 16, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

seeing how much better he was than brown and fitzy i think its a lil something to get excited about

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by silverstreak3k on Aug 16, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha...

…very true. A first rounder would have been too much for him though.

by rmensch on Aug 16, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh

I kind of disagree. Like I have said before, it would be essentially trading Tebow for Spiller. I like Spiller and think he’s a playmaker, but in the end, I am OK with that trade.

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by silverstreak3k on Aug 16, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too.....and I like Spiller...but I LOVE watching Tebow play

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by StroudFanClub on Aug 16, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hate to say it

if he goes vs a 1st or 2nd string he will fumble the ball at least twice if it was last night. Denver has not corrected his throwing style yet and when the ball comes back and is out there for a defender to hit its going to be a fumble. He was a split second fast than a defender last night or Tebow would have fumbled. Wish the guy luck but needs to work on that throwing style still

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by BillsStampede34 on Aug 16, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

He still needs work on that throwing motion

You could tell that he had lapses of concentration on his wind up some plays, but those plays you could count on your hand. To say they have not corrected it makes it sound like he did it every throw. His best throw was a deep long ball that was dropped. He is still a rook, and it will take time for him to adjust, but this kid is gonna be a star.

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by silverstreak3k on Aug 16, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didnt say he couldnt throw

I am saying if you have a corner blitzing from his blindside or an olb, when he brings that ball back its still low to his waist and wide up to hit out of his hand. The man can throw I am just saying he will fumble a lot if his motion is not corrected

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by BillsStampede34 on Aug 16, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am saying that it has been corrected

and was only a problem on a few plays. His motion has been corrected all off season and he has made tremendous strides. I never thought you said he couldn’t throw, I am just saying that he had some lapses of concentration which led to that long wind up, but that he has corrected that and usually throws in his new shorter motion that will alleviate the fumbles.

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by silverstreak3k on Aug 16, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trent is a horrible QB and wouldn’ty start on any other NFL-team…..HOWEVER, he’s just one of three horrible QB’s on our team and probably still the best of them.

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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Aug 16, 2010 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Trent has a lightning quick release.

Faster than an old timey gunslinger, supposedly.

And he’s tall. But that’s where it ends for #5. How could someone watch that game and not get the sense that Trent is thinking about injuries more than TD’s? What does Edwards’ face look like in between plays? Like a sad panda. Not exactly a confident leader that a QB should portray.

History says Trent will be injured in the first 3-4 games. I wouldn’t want to build an offense around those odds.

Bring on the 2010 NFL season! Go Bills!

by Undee on Aug 16, 2010 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

For all those who want Fitzpatrick to start...

                                                                                                                                                                                             ATT COMP PCT YDS AVG YDS/G LONG TD TD% INT INT% SACK RATE
227 127 55.9 1422 6.3 129.5 98 9 4.0 10 4.4 21 69.7
183 110 60.1 1169 6.4 128.8 46 6 3.3 7 3.8 23 73.8
Fitzpartrick is on top and Edwards is on the bottom.
“Fitz takes more chances.”
They both basically have the same yards per completion (equally completed balls down the field). Truthfully Fitz did seem to chuck the ball down the field alot more, but if they are being completed than that means nothing. We should also sometimes be wary of complete taking chances. More chances may result in more tds (better TD percentage for Fitz), but we also should remember how taking chances can lead to interceptions (basically the same difference in INT percentages with Fitz having more). I would honestly rather have a 3 yard checkdown than a basically a jump ball thrown up into the defensive secondary.
In rating numbers terms, when Trent is not confident he plays like a 3/10. When he is confident he plays like a 7-8/10. Fitz will always give you 5/10. I would rather take Edwards and hope to get his confidence up than go with Fitz.

by Xaviermw on Aug 16, 2010 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Statistics are from last year. The career numbers greatly favor Edwards.

by Xaviermw on Aug 16, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can we just put Levi Brown in there and let him become Peyton Manning or something? If TE is the best we have then this is going to be a long, long year… :(

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by NJBillsfan on Aug 16, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Like the idea

Fresh start completely give Levi a chance and just run a two minute drill with him the whole game. I mean he looked amazing in training camp running it, and he ran it throughout college. Give it up for Levi…ok not likely but still a good thought

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by BillsStampede34 on Aug 16, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is going to be a long, long year… :(

Thank you…that is all.

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by fansince60 on Aug 16, 2010 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

At the end of last year, if you would have told me we'd be debating Trent vs Fitz vs Brohm again

as who should start this season…..well, there’s just no way I’d believe that. No way, no how.

And if at the end of last year you would have told me that we’d be going into the season only adding Cornell Brown to the O-line…..well, I would have called you a liar.

(Still shaking my head)

Wow. Can we just fast forward to next year already and select a 1st round QB so I could at least have some hope for the future?

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by StroudFanClub on Aug 16, 2010 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Cornell Brown to the O-line

Cornell Green

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Aug 16, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, him too. : )

"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde

by StroudFanClub on Aug 16, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or that come draft night, 3 of the top 4 QB prospects were ripe for the picking at #9, and then 2 in the 2nd round, and they’d be happy to keep on walking…not a chance.

I’m not chastising them for this course of action. I just would never have seen it coming.
Oh and like you, i’m a bit of a fanboy for Timmy T.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 16, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I voted yes...

I saw TE who didn’t look bad to me (the INT couldve gone for a 1st down completion if Lee blocked the CB off of the ball)…

We didn’t get to see Brohm at all…he is the only guy I woul turn to right now if we decide not to go with Trent. Maybe Brown, but he needs more time.

Fitz looked the horrible QB I know him to be…he ONLY looks comfortable throwing on the run. I hope there is no Fitz this next game.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 16, 2010 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, until Brohm beats him for the job. =)

Season to BILLieve!

by mroy1239 on Aug 16, 2010 6:07 PM EDT reply actions  

DEBATABLE

Its good that we can have this debate on who’s number 1,but we always seem not to factor in that nobody is a good QB if you don’t have a solid LT.Until we solve our LT position this debate will go on.All of our QB’s check down more than the norm and thats because or LT is and has been weak.Its hard trying to throw the deep ball if your laying on your back.If we get a superstar QB and no LT,we will still be in the same boat we’re in now.

by morpheus123456 on Aug 16, 2010 6:29 PM EDT reply actions  

LT Fault

Sorry but LT play really doesn’t excuse poor QB. Theres no debate, we need a new QB.

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by buffalobacker on Aug 16, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trent Edwards lost my confidence midseason last year when he talked about how the team ‘should be able to win at least half of its remaining games’. What? Is that how you lead a team? Hop on my back guys, I’ll lead us to .500. Even if that’s what you realistically think, you don’t say it.
Conversely, Ryan Fitzpatrick won me over with comments like, ‘If it’s a 50/50 chance of a completion, I’m throwing it ‘cause I trust my guy’. That’s fun. Also, Fitz has something that Trent is sorely lacking: escapability.

by JapanJohn on Aug 17, 2010 3:16 AM EDT reply actions  

wow....edwards bash session

i liked the first drive…o line did not give him any time to throw, sorry.

we will not know for sure until mid way through the season if chan
can do trent on this offense.

after that, if it is falling apart, option 2 is brohm, option 3 is levi…

really not that complicated…

i think trent just needs some decent support on the oline.

by simonpure on Aug 17, 2010 7:34 PM EDT reply actions  

enough with edwards

the guy only won one game last year…i’m not going to lie and say that fitz is way better than edwards because he isn’t, but he does give the bills a better shot of winning on game day as shown by winning 5 of our 6 games last year.(counting the jets game edwards got hurt)

by nickjangles on Aug 18, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

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