Bills Training Camp: Biggest Unresolved Roster Questions
The Buffalo Bills are two practices away from wrapping up training camp at St. John Fisher College, and they're also two pre-season games away from finalizing their 53-man roster in anticipation of the start of the regular season. Strong performances by some players, weak performances by others, and injuries have begun to shape Buffalo's depth chart, but with the biggest decisions still nearly two weeks away, there are three big questions that remain unresolved.
Backup Quarterback. It is blatantly obvious at this point that Trent Edwards, barring injury, will start the season atop the QB depth chart. General consensus holds that rookie Levi Brown will likely serve as the No. 3 QB. If that's the case, then Buffalo will need to choose between Ryan Fitzpatrick and Brian Brohm as Edwards' primary backup. They've been on fairly equal footing in camp and during pre-season action, so these next two weeks will be absolutely critical to the final decision.
Tight End Depth. Injuries, as well as the Shawn Nelson suspension, have ravaged this unit to the point that Jonathan Stupar will be the undisputed opening-day starter. Assuming that Michael Matthews' injury isn't serious, he's likely to make the team as a backup, but most pro teams keep three tight ends. Will Derek Schouman, out 3-6 weeks with a knee injury, get the benefit of patience from the coaching staff? Or will a soon-to-be-signed depth player usurp Schouman's roster spot? Time will tell, but Chan Gailey blatantly said that Schouman has fallen well behind his teammates.
Offensive Line Depth. Given the brittle nature of Buffalo's five projected starting linemen, prudently choosing depth is of critical importance. Jamon Meredith is a virtual lock to make the team as a swing tackle. From there, the question becomes whether the Bills keep eight linemen or nine; the latter would absolutely take a roster spot away from a better football player. Cordaro Howard, Kirk Chambers, Sean Allen, Andre Ramsey, Kyle Calloway and others wait on tenterhooks for an answer.
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Just as a gut feeling when I watched Chan in response to Shouman… it doesnt look like hes going to be making the roster. Seemed to have an “enough is enough” attitude towards him… maybe Im in the minority here… but thats how I saw it. Wouldnt mind them going after LJ Smith if hes healthy.
I wish we could get away with only 8 O-lineman… but with our injuries I bet we keep 9.
The WR battle is going to come right down to the wire… I hope D Nelson puts up some good practices and games over the next 2 weeks. I really want him to make it.
Same with RB… Bell or Simpson? I would take Bell, but is Chan going to carry 4 RB’s?
Brohm over Fitz.
Where else would you rather be?
WR2? I know there’s been a discussion of jackson vs. johnson, i believe, but i’m not sure that has been concretely resolved?
And OLB? ….i think Torbor is injured, and there was talk that Ellis was ahead of Maybin? is there any word on that? Or am i all screwed up?
by quantumuprising on Aug 23, 2010 8:57 AM EDT reply actions
You could make an argument for WR in general, though I’d disagree – I think they’ll keep five guys, and I think those five guys are pretty clear-cut at this point.
WR2, however, is settled – Steve’s the guy. No question about it.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Evans, Johnson, Parrish, Jackson, Nelson or Hardy?
Im not sure if its so set in stone, to be honest i think they might keep 6, especially because Nelson is an all around football guy he could see some serious special teams, I think Naaman will make this team this kid has been doing alot for the Bills in pre season, hes returning punt, playing in the slot running alot of motion its gunna be real interesting, I dont ever think in my life ive been so intrigued by a 5th reciever battle.
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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 23, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Still trying to figure the way this works
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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 23, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
You only need to put what you’re trying to quote between blockquote tags – then enter down below the last blockquote tag and type your reply. :)
by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
preview is your friend!
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by silverstreak3k on Aug 23, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont ever think in my life ive been so intrigued by a 5th reciever battle
Ah the life of a Bills fan… Only us. We got competitions at every position… love it.
And the quotes are a little tricky. Its easier to have everything typed out, or copy and pasted… then go back, highlight with your mouse what you want in quote blocks and then click the quote button. Takes some getting used to… I struggled with it for a while :-)
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Can you help a fella with an avatar
I saved some pics in a folder, browsed the folder, selected a pick and got a “your download failed because the file must be an image” response. Not sure what I’m doing wrong. Warning, I had to ask what TWSS meant.
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What file extension are you trying to use? I find .bmp files don’t work so well here.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
they were .bmp, i'll try something else and thanks
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by buffalobacker on Aug 23, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
well
in all actuality, the 5th WR spot wont be far off talent wise from the 3 and 4th. so basically its exciting to see 2-3 guys that all have the same amount of talent, and most of it raw and untapped. so its actually not a bad thing to be excited by the number 5 wr spot.
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by silverstreak3k on Aug 23, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Since it is looking like we will have 3 TE’s on the final roster, it seems to me that 6 WR’s becomes a stronger possibility, with Roosevelt #6 as a result of his value on ST’s. Donald Jones would then go to the PS.
On the battle for who is the #2 WR, I increasingly suspect that Stevie Johnson and Chad Jackson will essentially share the position, with David Nelson getting some plays at #2 as well. Gailey has been making it a point to have his WR’s capable of playing all over the field — in the slot and down the seam. I think the reason for that is to make them interchangeable, which in turn helps him disguise plays. However, Johnson will likely be the main #2 guy, lining up opposite Lee Evans perhaps 2/3 of the time? But there will also be times when Johnson will be in the slot and Jackson or Nelson will go down the sidelines.
General consensus holds that rookie Levi Brown will likely serve as the No. 3 QB
Really? I would think the Bills would be able to cut Brown and then sign him to the practice squad.
With the state of the OL the Bills will probably need 3 QBs this year and I doubt you want to put Brown out there at this point.
What team would be picking Brown up if he was cut? If that team liked him you’d think they would have drafted him before the 7th round.
And if no team picks him up for their active roster you’d only have to worry about him signing on another team’s practice squad. While that might be a risk, if you’re Brown isn’t Buffalo the place where you have the best opportunity? It looks like a place with mediocre, at best, QBs and an offensive coach who drafted you, and you already have been learning the system.
I think you’re probably right, but QBs have been claimed before. Derek Anderson was a sixth rounder claimed off waivers and Thigpen was claimed after being a 7th round pick. Thigpen only threw for 32 yards during the preseason and he was still claimed by the Chiefs. Anderson was actually waived during the season as he survived the initial roster cuts and was waived in mid-September in an attempt to sneak him down to the PS.
That said, I agree that Buffalo can probably stash Brown on the PS this year, but the Bills would be taking a risk. I’d guess that the Bills have invested enough in Brown that they wouldn’t want to take that risk.
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Mark Gaughn of the Buff News believes Levi Brown could clear waivers and that the Bills will put him on the PS. Having both Fitz and Brohm on the roster could be important, since playing QB for the Bills this year may prove just as hazardous as it was last year and we could easily have two QB’s out with injuries. In effect, the question boils down to which risk Gailey wants to take — losing Brown to another team or being forced to use him as the starting QB.
the Brown on the PS thinking
What type of future in the NFL does the guy who comes in last in the competition of Edwards, Fitzpatrick, and Brohm have and why would he be worth keeping around? I suspect that if Buffalo sees any future for Brown, they’ll protect him on the 53 man roster and simply drop the worst option of their weak 3 man competition…the drum roll recently sounds like Fitzy might be the odd man out.
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I'm thinking Fitz gets cut...
…more for economic reasons. Brohm has more upside and will come cheaper.
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What happened to Wang??
I know he is injured, does that mean he doesn’t make the team, do they put him on IR. After he got hurt he pretty much disappeared, unless I missed something.
I would think for the marketing alone the Bills would want to hang onto him.
They’re gonna have a real tough time finding a spot for him on the roster. I did, admittedly, forget about him, because it’s been so long since he practiced.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Can’t they put him on IR if they wanted to “keep him in the can”? I don’t know what the IR rules are. Does the injury have to be of a certain caliber?
If he’s on IR, he can’t practice or anything. I think they’d rather he could practice when he gets healthy.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Reserve QB's
Did anyone see the sf / min game last night? We should sign Nate Davis immediately, and cut 2 of our 3 reserves.
Why the hell would SF get rid of Nate Davis? They just drafted him last year.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
judging by tweets, etc this morning, apparently singletary and co. are very unhappy with him. something to do with work ethic, despite how good he looked in last night’s game.
by quantumuprising on Aug 23, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I saw that too. So then… why, but from that angle?
by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
i’m not saying i think its going to happen. Just saying that singletary is a no-nonsense guy, so the miniscule possibility exists that they could cut him.
by quantumuprising on Aug 23, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, and I’m asking “If a guy like Singletary doesn’t like him, why would we?”
by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
oh gotcha – its a valid question. some coaches look at those things as challenges, and think that they have the skill set to make the guy work harder, a la mike shanahan and trevor pryce.
i would doubt for a second that that would happen, especially since singletary’s proven method is already bench player, show players your butt, inspire players to win.
by quantumuprising on Aug 23, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Singletary
Call me “old school” but I like Singletary’s coaching style, he’s direct!
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by buffalobacker on Aug 23, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Dammit, Brian.
I’m sick of your logic and your constant demands to defend comments with facts.
I choose to dream.
by sri on Aug 23, 2010 9:41 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Do you think the Bills would trade for another TE or will they just wait for one to come available at the next round of cuts?
My Lions may have an extra [Dan Gronkowski] who may be available and useful. He was on our practice squad last year and got some late season starts after Pettigrew was injured. He would probably be available for a sixth rounder.
Give Mayhew a call.
Roster concerns...
I believe Schouman’s days are numbered, he just can’t stay healthy! I wonder if Royal or Gaines are floating around out there???
O-line—I’m sure Buddy has his eye on a few players that will be cut by other teams, there is no way the Bills go into the season with the current projected reserves. Calloway will end up on the PS and I’m not sure if Allen or Ramsey are NFL caliber.
I see the Bills keeping Brown over Fitz. Gailey’s strength is working with QB’s and Edwards, Brohm and Brown are young enough that Chan can instill is philosophy. Fitz is the odd man out and will catch on with another team looking for a vet back-up.
Can’t see how Bell gets cut, with Spiller and him on the team it brings back memories of the Thurman and Kenny Davis tandem…
"When life throws you a curve ball, that doesn’t mean you have to swing."
I wonder if Royal or Gaines are floating around out there??
If they are, I hope they continue to float. I want nothing to do with Robert Royal… ever again.
Where else would you rather be?
by bflo on Aug 23, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yea
A sand bag has better hands!!!!!
"When life throws you a curve ball, that doesn’t mean you have to swing."
Ha-ha
Ha-ha!!
That was not a laterall!!!
by brendar of the bills people on Aug 23, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
pretty sure royal is 1-2 ish in the rotation for the browns.
by quantumuprising on Aug 23, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
HA
Hopefully they’re both floating. On a raft, over the Falls and directly into the CFL. Elusive? From what? The endzone? He did a good job avoiding that.
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by MagillaGorilla1928 on Aug 23, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Schouman’s days are numbered, he just can’t stay healthy
His injury is a good example of why bad teams have more injuries. He got rolled up because someone else didn’t block as effectively as they should have.
He was really making a good block sealed him man off created the hole the kid just has terrible luck, they might move Ferguson to TE if things get real sticky
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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 23, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
"The Kid has Terrible Luck"
He sure has bad luck, he has been injured in 2 of last 3 years going into this year, now it is 3 out of 4….
"When life throws you a curve ball, that doesn’t mean you have to swing."
I wonder if Royal or Gaines are floating around out there???
While we’re at it, let’s trade for Braylon Edwards!
Is it hockey season yet?
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Gaines is out there now. Royal is still on the Browns but could be a roster cut.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 23, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
How's Chad Jackson working out for you guys?
I haven’t watched the Bills in pre-season yet.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 23, 2010 11:35 AM EDT reply actions
Hes not playing too bad… but thats also in comparison to players who havent really “made it” yet. But overall hes been pretty solid. I think for sure he’ll make the team. Had a beauty of a catch on a fade last game… for about 35-40 yards? He’ll get quite a bit of playing time this year with only Evans as being established in this league.
Pleased with him so far.
Where else would you rather be?
That's good.
He had talent with us, but never really seemed to pick up the offense. I wish him well.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 23, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah it seemed as he just didnt “fit in” in NE… hopefully one mans trash is another mans treasure. But yeah he seems to be more comfortable in this offense. And it could be something like him coming in as a highly drafted rook he didnt know what to expect, Im sure it was quite humbling being almost out of the league… had time to reflect and dedicate himself again.
Where else would you rather be?
Blatantly.
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GLOBAL INTERNET GOVERNMENT
what
Is it hockey season yet?
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I actually said it twice in the article. Not 66 times.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I counted 15, multiplied by 4, and then added 6. :)
by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
must have different resolutions – my rows are composed a little differently!!
by quantumuprising on Aug 23, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
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never saw that before. much more efficient. ty ty ty ty.
by quantumuprising on Aug 23, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m being fairly obtuse with my satire here. Brian uses the word “folks” in nearly every article, and it is maddening to me. It’s an empty rhetorical device that serves no purpose. As I (not so) cleverly noted earlier, he also repeats himself far too often in terms of vocabulary. How many times have I seen the phrase “known commodity” in the last three weeks? Ugh.
I’m simply airing my writer’s grievances. The coverage, information, and speculation are enjoyable and thought-provoking, but the delivery is lacking. That’s all. Thanks for listening, folks.
GLOBAL INTERNET GOVERNMENT
Calling this “satire” is an insult to real satire. This is just you nitpicking at someone’s writing style for no particular reason because you don’t like the word “folks”. Would you prefer he write “ladies and gentlemen” or “Rumblings community” every time he’s addressing his readers? Folks is a might bit easier to type.
Is it hockey season yet?
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by UZ on Aug 23, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m simply airing my writer’s grievances.blockquote>
Probably could have been done via email… not on the site…
The coverage, information, and speculation are enjoyable and thought-provoking, but the delivery is lacking. That’s all. Thanks for listening, folks.And there you try to cover yourself and then to end it like you did… not the smartest.
Well said above UZ.
Where else would you rather be?
Wow, that's like some UBER blockquote fail! ahaha
Is it hockey season yet?
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by UZ on Aug 23, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont think
i could do that on purpose!
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by silverstreak3k on Aug 23, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
If you’d like to edit all of my articles to make sure my grammatical prowess meets your standards, be my guest. It’s an unpaid gig.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope I was blatant enough about that, folk.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Also:
How many times have I seen the phrase "known commodity" in the last three weeks? Ugh.
Three weeks ago today, it was August 3. I have used the phrase “known commodity” once in that time frame. And that’s out of 60 front-page posts.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
In the case you care about delivery, i wish you had paid more attention to your own. The phrase in question is “I’m simply airing my writer’s grievances.” Oh dear, hanging subject. You are not entirely specific. Are they the grievances of your writer? In that case, why don’t you write your own material? Or do you orally dictate and have someone else enter your comments? If so, they should be your typer’s grievances. Further, why would you let him have a say?
If you are in fact considering yourself an exceptional writer, and therefore have subscribed to the mores and standards of said “writer’s group,” you should know better than to disseminate it in such a way. Something like “I’m simply airing my ’writer’s grievances’” would’ve been appropriate.
Additionally, if you consider yourself to be grammatically proficient enough to be of such a level as to attribute “writer’s grievances” as a construct of your own making, you should perhaps be better versed in constructing and expressing proper satire – satire that at least every tenth person can understand.
now quit being a giant whiny turd and let everyone talk bills football.
by quantumuprising on Aug 23, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Smashy, so you couldn’t send him an email?
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by thefourwinds on Aug 23, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
really?
Why?
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by buffalobacker on Aug 23, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Folks,
I think it’s a personal catch phrase that gives Brian some identity.
"Football's gotta be dangerous. It's gotta be labor and pains." -Deacon Jones
I say “folks” all the time. All. The. Time.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 23, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
No Problem
I was just wondering were Smashy was going. He sounded truly troubled with your choice of words.
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by buffalobacker on Aug 23, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe you should change it up with famous homophones. Marshall Faulks, Guy Fawkes, Fokes-a-Cola, etc
by quantumuprising on Aug 23, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I see what you did there….
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 23, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought he was released last season just before the playoffs
We just signed him on rumblers.
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Me think he write good.
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by BuffaloBlueBlood on Aug 23, 2010 6:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Official ledge-talker-offer of the Buffalo Bills.
by WhyBillsWhy on Aug 23, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
What are the odds
that we keep 4 running backs and 5 wide recievers. All our backs can catch and a couple run good routes.
absolutely
A strong possibility. Spiller may end up our slot receiver. We need to keep our best players. Right now our 4th back is better then our 6th receiver. Heck, imagine a defensive coordinator’s consternation seeing Evans, Spiller, Jacson, Lynch, and Bell entering the game. What are you looking at? Chan will, mark my words, use CJ, Fred, and Marshawn together at times. Add Stupar or Mcintyre to that group and you have a lot of run/pass options depending on how the d matches up with personnel.
by WhatGoesAround on Aug 23, 2010 4:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A liitle off topic
But i have yet to see a preseason game and was curious about Troupes performance,good bad ugly?

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