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Poll: Which Bills QB Should Be No. 2 Saturday?

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In their pre-season opener against the Washington Redskins, veteran Ryan Fitzpatrick served as the Buffalo Bills' backup quarterback. He completed 9 of 14 passes for 61 yards with a touchdown pass. Two of his 14 throws gained more than 10 yards, not including the five-yard scoring toss to David Nelson.

Brian Brohm did not play at all in that first game, but the roles were reversed last week against the Indianapolis Colts. With Fitzpatrick watching from the sidelines, Brohm saw extended action as the backup, completing 14 of 21 passes for 125 yards, with no scores. He was sacked once and took a delay of game penalty. Three of his 21 throws gained more than 10 yards.

Clearly, Trent Edwards will continue to run with the first team this Saturday against the Cincinnati Bengals. Your question this morning: which player should follow him through the rotation? You know what to do with the poll, and we'll add one more question for discussion in the comments section: should both of these players get playing time, with Levi Brown taking the night off?

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Which Bills QB should be No. 2 Saturday against Cincinnati?
Ryan Fitzpatrick
158 votes
Brian Brohm
1726 votes

1884 votes | Poll has closed

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I think Levi Brown should definitely keep getting playing time.

Unless they already know that they really really want to keep him and don’t want to put any more game tape out there.

by quantumuprising on Aug 24, 2010 8:05 AM EDT reply actions  

who cares about putting game tape out there?

If you expect a player to see the field during the season then you get him reps in the preseason to get him ready. They probably don’t expect LEvi to see the field, so he isn’t getting alot of time.

It is Brohm’s Bills jersey that is the least stained with doo-doo... GO BILLS

by killascript on Aug 24, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

lots of people care about game tape. If you want to keep the guy to the PS, having him be as little known as possible is essential. If you’re already thinking he’s going to be a PS guy, and then he goes out and plays well in preseason games, there exists a much higher chance another team is going to grab him off waivers.

by quantumuprising on Aug 24, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

got ya

if he is to be on the PS anyway… makes alot of sense…. sorry bout that

It is Brohm’s Bills jersey that is the least stained with doo-doo... GO BILLS

by killascript on Aug 24, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way . . .

. . . he makes it through waivers in order to see PS whether he plays this week or not. He’s #3 period with Brohm or Fitz gonzo.

by FergusonQB12 on Aug 24, 2010 7:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

???'s

Clearly precision is an important attribute for any QB but is this quality have added importance in Gailey’s offense? I am extrapolating this from the article about Steve Johnson catching an earful for sloppy routes. Fitz’s strong, sometimes wild arm worries me. Did either go up against 1st team defenses?

by TedWashington'sRobotDance on Aug 24, 2010 8:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Fitz’s strong,

not so much

It is Brohm’s Bills jersey that is the least stained with doo-doo... GO BILLS

by killascript on Aug 24, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, it’s pretty strong. He just doesn’t always spin it correctly.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 24, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess

He puts all he has into it, thats for sure, but to me, it looks weak and loses whatever velocity it starts with prett quickly. Whether its mechanics or not, I would say his arm is mediocre at best (I mean all these QBs have a “strong” arm… they’re NFL Qbs)

It is Brohm’s Bills jersey that is the least stained with doo-doo... GO BILLS

by killascript on Aug 24, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you...

his arm has looked very weak every time I see him, but I guess its because the ball never gets to his intended receiver bouncing at the receivers feet.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

TV

Will the game be on tv this week?

by TedWashington'sRobotDance on Aug 24, 2010 8:27 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

NFL Network @ 11 pm western Sat. So I guess 2 am Sunday Eastern

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by Undee on Aug 24, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Woohoo

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

TO vs. The Bills doesn’t warrant prime time exposure? Surprising. And before you ask yes, I am kidding.

by TedWashington'sRobotDance on Aug 24, 2010 2:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

im in the cincinnati market, i should get the game on time

by quantumuprising on Aug 25, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not surprising

The enigmatic Brian Brohm is winning this poll. Seeing their stats side-by-side really makes it a wash, almost identical given BB had more attempts. But Fitzpatrick threw a TD… I don’t know if that matters or not. I voted for Brohm because he’s still, kind of, the devil I don’t know.

by JjR in TO on Aug 24, 2010 8:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Might get heat for this

I wish trent would sit against cincinatti
Start brohm against the ones
Fitz then gets his rotation as planned with twos
If its an open competition which it hasn’t been, then brohm should have a fair shot that way if he fails maybe people like me could accept the trent edwards illusion.

by sketchydave on Aug 24, 2010 8:31 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

What does that mean, ‘not an open competition’? Is there an open competition at CB? Because Reggie Corner hasn’t had a chance to work with the starters yet. McCargo wants to know why he hasn’t played with the 1s either.

If you’re good the talent will show through, even if you’re playing with backups.

by Pistol on Aug 24, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

an open competition hasn’t specifically been declared at those positions like it was at qb, as far as i know.

by quantumuprising on Aug 24, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Amazing, isn't it?

As if Ftiz and Brohm were tied to a pole in mini camps…… Big bad Gailey didn’t let them compete.

shall I remind you that all three QBs were given the same oportunities in mini camp to showcase their talents and first understanding of the offense.
Gailey saw Edwards as the better prospect for his offense as he saw Stevie Johnson a better fit for his 2nd WR spot.

by Fixxxer on Aug 24, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the Trent Edwards illusion. When I went to camp he threw some deep balls, was clearly the most accurate, but game time when everyone on the team wears the same color jersey, he fails.

by sketchydave on Aug 24, 2010 10:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Except for last thurday

If Edwards is going to be the opening day starter, he needs to play against Cincy, otherwise you’re handicapping him for the season. Fitz clearly isn’t a starter on this team or in the league, and Brohm doesn’t have enough of a handle to be the starter yet. Edwards needs to get as much playing time as possible, not sit for a game.

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by fansince83 on Aug 24, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thats the point though

Brohm hasn’t shown he doesn’t have a handle to be a starter yet. 14/21 for 125 is a pretty damn good start. I think they know Fitz isn’t a starter, but Brohm could be. Let Brohm and Edwards get all the reps. Fitz is a waste at this point

by Bill from LI on Aug 24, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brohm went 14/21 for 125 yards, but how many points did that get him? 3 points.

Don’t see how Fitzpatrick is a waste, since he hasn’t shown he’s worse than Brohm.

by Henry_Gale on Aug 24, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you wanna bring that card out

how many drives under trent the last 3 years have we seen where they end up in field goals, turnovers, and 3 and outs? that tires our defense out. refer to new orleans game last year we were in it.

also, whats the old stat? trent until this year never had a touchdown in preseason? honestly someone correct me on it

by sketchydave on Aug 24, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

In his first three preseasons in the NFL, Edwards has posted a 91 career passer rating, 69% completion%, and scored 3 TDs to 3 INTs. He only struggled in his third preseason, not his first two. And remember he’s doing this with the 1s in 2008 and 2009.

As for Brohm, here’s a kid who has never ever gotten into the end zone ever, ever, and so far he’s had 10 games to do it in. At least with Fitz, he can find the end zone.

by Henry_Gale on Aug 25, 2010 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldnt mind Brohm seeing some time with the #1s. But I doubt Gailey is going to do that… So I say play Trent as long as the Bengals #1 D is out there… then after that give it to Brohm. Levi can play the 4th quarter if needed.

Where else would you rather be?

by bflo on Aug 24, 2010 8:36 AM EDT reply actions  

My thoughts

Trent then Brohm then Fitz, with Levi sitting out. Levi is not in the QB2 competition and thus does not need to play this game IMO. Levi only needs to play if Gailey is undecided of whether he wants to stash him on the practice squad or not.

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by Sluss88 on Aug 24, 2010 8:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Brohm

I love this site. One of the things I particularly like is the pragmatism and rationality that is shown by Brian (Galliford not Brohm!) certainly and many of the other posters on here.

I try to take that pragmatism and rationality into my own fandom (mainly as a coping mechanism for the expectation curshes that we alwasy seem to suffer!)

However, I love Brohm. For no real reason…. yet. I just have a complete gut feeling on this. His potential to be “the one” even though he has only been mediocre in the practice setting and average/solid but unspectacular in the preseason (for us, terrible for GB)

So much so that I would be giddy about seeing him as the starter, even though I know and understand all the reasons that make Trent the most viable starter this season. Someone help me explain this??!

I suppose the rational side of me is saying this makes the most sense: Trent starts, Brohm back-up, Levi 3rd because if Trent shows he’s the man, great. If not, he cuts next offseason (or during the season), we draft a high QB and have an open competition in camp between that QB and Brohm and maybe Levi.

So Brohm. Did I say that already?

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by SamUK on Aug 24, 2010 8:38 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Brohm

We are on a mighty one-game win streak, so give both Trent and Brian a chance to keep it rolling.

by RBbills on Aug 24, 2010 8:45 AM EDT reply actions  

We have seen the best of Fitz...

…last year in real game situations. He doesn’t bring much. We have yet to see the untapped potential of Briam Brohm (if there is any to see), so he needs all the chances to show what he has. Fitz should just go. Brohm as#2. Let Levi be the 3 and call it a day.

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by JTM1023 on Aug 24, 2010 8:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Keeping the order the same.

Preseason is not over, The pecking order as yet has not changed and there are two preseason games remaining. Gailey is evaluating the QB’s on the roster, why should he change his guidelines midstream on the evaluation process. My guess is that Fitzpatrick gets the nod after Trent followed by Brown.

One thing crawling around in the back of my mind is that the Colts have been miserable this preseason. They will be fine come September 12 but they have played two very poor games in the preseason and it would be wrong to start handing out jobs based on performances against them. The guys should be awarded the opportunity to improve upon their last outing. Trent needs this opportunity to improve upon his last outing especially with the #1 O-Line.

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by VanScottM on Aug 24, 2010 8:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Deep breaths, Brian. In through the nose, out through the mouth…

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by thefourwinds on Aug 24, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think

the point of the poll escaped you.

by Mindbender14 on Aug 24, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think maybe the last 6 months have escaped him.

by quantumuprising on Aug 24, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I said that too…. in April.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 25, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have absolutely no use for Fitz.

No offense I’m sure he’s a great guy. The only arguement for Fitz is he has more experience and could lead the team more effectively if/when Trent goes down. Although that may be correct (debatable), I don’t care. I am writing this season off, I would love to be surprised, but if they are 4-12, so be it. With the other position question marks (the largest being the LB corp to me right now), I don’t see the back-up making them much worse, therefore I want to see what we have in Brohm.

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by garcia76 on Aug 24, 2010 9:02 AM EDT reply actions  

I voted Fitzpatrick. I think he’s the better football player. That simple.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 24, 2010 9:02 AM EDT reply actions  

I voted Fitz too, but more to continue the pattern, with Brohm getting the bulk of the work in game 4. And you’re more likely to not play Edwards much at all in game 4 so Brohm could get even more work in then.

If you think Brohm needs more work, and more work against the starting defense, I have no issue with him playing earlier this week. Presumably Fitzpatrick is the veteran who doesn’t need as much time on the field at this point. But if you’re deciding on who the backup is, and it’s an even heat, I’d stay with the usage so far.

by Pistol on Aug 24, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would be interested in that point if had more confidence in the team as a whole and I wasn’t looking more down the road. I want to see what Brohm has as a potential starter and deal with a back-up later if they are ever good and a back-up quarterback is of greater importance. Same reason Brown is a lock in so many eyes to make the roster, Brown is certainly not better than any of our other 3.

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by garcia76 on Aug 24, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would have voted Fitz too

Had it not been for the fact that i want to vomit with every pass he throws

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by Superduff on Aug 24, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL...exactly

I dont really understand people who say the guy is any good at all….

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

He doesn't lose games.

He puts his teammates in position to win games and occasionally, contributes.

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by VanScottM on Aug 24, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’m not sure this matters that much anymore. talk around here is always about potential – i think brohm probably has a lot more of that. Also, it doesn’t matter what qb we have this year, we aren’t going to be good. I’d rather take a chance on developing a guy than having a guy we know about win 4 games.

by quantumuprising on Aug 24, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brian,

Fitz is probably better, but we haven’t seen any real improvement beyond what his skill set has already shown us. Let’s face it, Fitz has probably hit the ceiling of how good a football player he is going to be. Brohm on the other hand is still unknown. I’d like to give the kid most of the opportunities to develop. I think being the number two this week should go to Brohm.

by Buffalonian on Aug 24, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m fine with Brohm playing too, but I didn’t ask “who needs to play more.”

by Brian Galliford on Aug 24, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

No you didn’t. I wasn’t real clear, but what I meant was to have him play with the two’s to be in there with a higher level of talent.

by Buffalonian on Aug 24, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha - I voted Brohm
I think he’s the better football player. That simple.

Well, we disagree.

To me, they looked very similar with Brohm looking slightly more comfortable in the pocket.

My rationale (not that anyone cares): Brohm and Fitz have been neck and neck, Fitz is a heady vet with no room for improvement, Brohm is playing his equal with much more potential improvement. My line-up for the game would be TE, BB, and then RF. With the 4th game coming up, my line-up would be TE for one drive, RF (in the 1st qtr), BB (in the 2nd qtr), and LB getting the entire 2nd half.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Brohm is the better passer and voted for him.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 25, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I went with Brohm

We know what we have with Fitz and I think Brohm still has much to prove in order to take the #2 spot from a veteran. Hell, I would probably rest Trent this game, Give Brohm the ones and let Fitz finish the game. Next week, Trent a full half at least with the ones and whoever Gailey thinks has solidified the #2 spot.

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by Jax Bills Fan on Aug 24, 2010 9:31 AM EDT reply actions  

I voted Brohm

But on the desire that Gailey sees in him with potential enough to be viable starter down the line.
But I will understand if he keeps Fitzpatrick as his back-up, a guy that plays ugly but that has won in this league.

The wilcard here is Levi Brown. If they see him clearing waivers I can see the three headed monster making the team.

by Fixxxer on Aug 24, 2010 9:36 AM EDT reply actions  

My take

Statistical Match-up:

Brian Brohm – 82.4 passer rating, 6 yards per pass, 67% completion%, 0 Tds/0 INTs, and helped the team put up 3 points against the Colts.

Ryan Fitzpatrick – 97.6 passer rating, 4.4 yards per pass, 64% completion%, 1 Td/0 INT, and helped the team score 14 points.

Fitzpatrick did a better job with the 2nd and 3rd team than Brohm. Sorry to disagree with 90% of you, but I just don’t see it.

If I were the Bills, I would start Edwards, and allow Fitz to finish the rest of the game. Then for the final game, allow Brohm to start, and for Brown to finish.

by Henry_Gale on Aug 24, 2010 9:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Brohm

fitzpatrick threw a TD. so he has better passer rating. But you have to see what the statistics is telling you.

Fitz averaged 4.4 yds/ pass at 67% accuracy. So all his passes were dump offs. So that tells, most of the yards were gained by the running backs on the drive, namely, bell and simpson. fitz just had the finishing touch with the TD

Brohm on the other hand had 6 yds/ pass with about the same accuracy. He helped his team a lot more to drive down the field.

I think brohm should better poise and control than fitz even though he didnt have a TD.

go brohm!

by statcruncher on Aug 24, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Billichek's philosophy

Also, I read this interview last year at ESPN.

Dont mean to say we should follow Billichek with blind faith but this made perfect sense to me.
His philosophy for backup qb was – either the qb should be a veteran starting qb like kerry collins, jeff garcia or an unproven qb with potential like cassel.

only those 2 kinds of qb can provide continuity in the franchises’ success. No point having fitz as back up when he is proven back up for life.

if we pick brohm and he fails majorly, what do we lose. we get a good pick next year anyway

by statcruncher on Aug 24, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

i hate to bring this up again……………………but yards per pass isn’t very reflective of the yards actually attempted per individual pass unless the qb’s accuracy is up over 90%.

by quantumuprising on Aug 24, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

but even when you consider yards / completed pass

fitz 9 completed for 61 yds = 6.8 yds/ completed pass
brohm 14 completed for 125 yds = 8.9 yds/ completed pass

that shows fitz was dumping off. i accept brohm’s number is not great but just that fitz is not clearly better.

by statcruncher on Aug 24, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

wasn’t disagreeing with your point in the slightest – just a cautionary tale of using the yards per attempt stat for judging how often a person dumps off or not.

by quantumuprising on Aug 24, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fitzpatrick scored a TD is the reason why his passer rating was higher, but you know, the ability to score TDs instead of field goals is a big thing in the NFL. It is the difference between 7 points and 3 points. I would rather go with the guy who get more points.

In Fitz TD drive, he went 4/4 for 37 passing yards. Then in the second TD drive, where Bell went into the endzone, Fitz went 1/1.

by Henry_Gale on Aug 24, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

How did Fitz “Help the team score 14 points” when he himself didn’t score 7 of them? Handing it off isn’t exactly hard work. Plus without that easy as hell TD (what was it, a 3 yard TD that he basically just could have underhand tossed into the end zone?) his stats are much worse than Brohms there.

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by UZ on Aug 24, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is how I see it too

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fitzpatrick was on the field, the team scored 14 points. That’s a fact. Sure the running game was a major factor, but so what? At the end of the day, Fitz worked better with the 2nd and 3rd unit. He was 5/5 in his two TD drives. Other than Brohm’s opening possession, he really didn’t do anything. In fact, when Woods recovered a fumble on Indy’s 36 yard line, he could only manage 2 yards.

Now if you read on, you will see that I want Fitz to clean up for Edwards in the 3rd game, but Brohm to start against the Lions.

by Henry_Gale on Aug 24, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brohm

At this point of where the Bills are as an organization, it’s all about finding the players with highest ceilings who are have a chance at becoming something in the future (think throwing crap against the wall and seeing what sticks). I don’t think there’s any dispute that Brohm has a higher ceiling, and whether he ever realizes it or not is a non-point. The fact that he has potential makes him more valuable than Fitz. Worst case scenario, Brohm starts in the future, does worse than Fitz would, and nets us a high draft pick to find his replacement.

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by NJBillsfan on Aug 24, 2010 9:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Sage advice - Cut Fitz, trade for...

Rosenfels.

But in reality, I suspect we’ll cut Fitz anyhow, and by year end Levi Brown will be running the “pistol” as we march to 3-13. Hope not, of course…

by BillinNC on Aug 24, 2010 9:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Brohm has a higher ceiling? What you talking about Willis?

This point seems to be brought up over and over again, but I fail to see how it is correct:

Brohm – 25 years old, 3 years in the NFL.
Fitz – 28 years old, 6 years in the NFL.

There’s only a 3 year gap between the two. So far, we have seen something from Fitzpatrick. He, unlike Brohm, can complete down the field passes and can score TDs. So what makes people think Brohm has a higher ceiling? Do players hitting the age of 28 all of a sudden are incapable of getting better? I think not.

by Henry_Gale on Aug 24, 2010 9:54 AM EDT reply actions  

High Ceiling vs Unknown

I can only speak for myself, but I sometimes say higher ceiling but may really mean his value is unknown. For me I want to find out about my unknowns this year, hoping we find that they had a higher ceiling. Not being a scout I find it difficult evaluating a players’ ceiling but I definately know when I have no clue about said player, if that makes any sense.

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by garcia76 on Aug 24, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Was Brohm drafted in 2010?

The kid has been in the league for more than 2 seasons, and yet, we haven’t seen him outplay Trent Edwards or Ryan Fitzpatrick (a guy many of you, claim has reached his peak).

by Henry_Gale on Aug 24, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

So far, we have seen something from Fitzpatrick.

Yeah, that he is a crappy QB.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

The phrase “we know what we have in Fitz” is the #1 dogmatic cliche on BR since the draft. It’s pretty tiresome.

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by Undee on Aug 24, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

The "sky is blue" is also tiresome...

but its still fact.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get that you have a thing against Fitz, NorCal, but the color of the sky is no more a fact than what potential Fitz has. What color is the sky at night, or when it’s raining?

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by Undee on Aug 24, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

technically the sky isn’t blue, but i won’t go there =)

by quantumuprising on Aug 25, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can see the point about keeping Fitz #2 until Brohm earns it away from him.

-sigh – I rescind my vote. There is still plenty of game time for both to make an impact one way or the other.

by RBbills on Aug 24, 2010 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

does it matter?

both seem to be performing as they always have. There has been no sudden “spring” of talent from either. It’s “what you see is what you get” with both (and it ain’t earth shattering in either case).
If one or the other had “stepped up” it would be different. What better scenario could there have been to do that? The fact that neither has, speaks volumes as to their talent level. They CAN’T be any different or perform any better. They can’t “reach down” for that extra effort. When they reach, there’s nothing there to grab!
What’s the old adage? “Don’t bring a knife to a gun fight”? Fitz and Brohm are like bringing rocks to that gun fight. (and many of you will add that TE would be a knife- and maybe a dull one at that!)

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by fansince60 on Aug 24, 2010 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Brian Brohm's fandom befuddles me

The reason he’s not running with the 1s is simple: Trent has established himself as the best QB option on our roster to this point, but he’s not polished enough in the new scheme to sit out game time reps with the ones during preseason the the purpose of experimenting with Brohm or Fitz. If either of the other 2 were truly able to decidedly and unequivocally outperform Trent, then they would get time with the 1s.

I don’t hate Brohm or anything, I hope he gets time with the 2s and I hope he continues to improve… I simply do not understand the weird cult of personality surrounding him, now. I mean, its not like he’s in a Dennis Dixon scenario, where he’s played numerous games and has proven to show great promise and is unfairly being sat behind a shmuck like Byron Leftwich. Brohm is just…. Brohm. He’s kind of there, and I’m just waiting for him to look like something other than an okay backup.

by Wien on Aug 24, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

thats why this whole post was about 2nd qb and not about the starter….

ill respond nonetheless: brohm has such fandom because he’s the unknown. Weve seen trent play terribly in multiple NFL games. Weve seen fitz play terribly in multiple NFL games. We have yet to see Brohm play in multiple NFL games, thus we have yet to see him play poorly in multiple NFL games. By default, that makes him attractive to a lot of people for this year.

by quantumuprising on Aug 24, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

the odds of Brohm looking terrible in multiple NFL games is very high as well. Because of lack of experience if nothing else

I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....

by J2 on Aug 24, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Odds? Yes. Fact? No. We have factual evidence for the other two. Not for brohm.

by quantumuprising on Aug 24, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

no – but how many young inexperienced QBs have terrible games when allowed to play? some where around the 100% mark

I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....

by J2 on Aug 24, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you would rather go with a bad QB (Fitz) than with a potentially not-bad QB (Brohm)?

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

no – i’d rather go with Brohm

i’m just pointing out that Brohm, if given the chance, has a high probability of looking like crap just like Edwards and Fitzy has in the past. It takes time to get acclimated to the NFL and not everyone is the same.

I coudl easily see a scenario in which Brohm was the starter for 10 games and bombed in 3 or 4 of them and then the masses saying we need to go in a different direction.

I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....

by J2 on Aug 24, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, but you’re missing the point. a high probability is not a certainty. What is a certainty is the fact that edwards and fitz aren’t that great. While there’s a high probability of this with brohm as well, we don’t yet know that for sure. which is what makes him the most attractive option for more reps.

by quantumuprising on Aug 25, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

i’m not missing the point – we’re talking about 2 different things :)

I agree 100% with what you’re saying (although i want to see trent more in an actual offense) but I also agree with what i’m saying

I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....

by J2 on Aug 25, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

A few people in the comments have expressed that they wanted to see Brohm run with the 1s, and some press folk asked Gailey about that during one of the updates, too. I was responding to that.

by Wien on Aug 24, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, I’ve seen Brohm play terribly in multiple preseason games. Kids not a rook, he had a shot in GB too, folks.

by Wien on Aug 24, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats why i said nfl games, not preseason games. IIRC, trent was the starter in preseason last year, and didn’t score a touchdown, but you’re still voting confidence in him.

No matter what way you cut it, brohm is still the only legitimate unknown on the roster, and that’s why people are drawn to him.

And yes, he pretty much is a rook. Not by the book, but 1 game in the nfl doesn’t make you a vet.

by quantumuprising on Aug 24, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus a new offense to learn...

Has Fitz outplayed Brohm? Not really. Has Brohm outplayed Fitz? Its close. Does Fitz have a future with the Bills beyond this season? No. Does Brohm have a future with the Bills beyond this season? Maybe. Is Fitz’s contract acceptable as a #2? Maybe. Is Fitz’s contract acceptable as a #3? No. Is Brohm’s contract acceptable as a #2 or a #3? Yes. I see no reason to keep Fitz. Not one.

I wish someone would explain to me why they believe he is better for this team than Brohm, either now or in the future.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

With Fitz

Its the experience of a Journeyman. Its like what Chicago has been looking for to back up Cutler, and what they got in Todd Collins. Look back to the interviews with TO about Fitz. In fact, it was reported in Cinci papers that it was FITZ’S recommendation to the bengals of TO that sold TO to them. They pulled the trigger on the TO deal because of Fitz’s thumbs up. He’s a solid, respectable QB in the league, even if he is clearly not the second coming of Drew Brees, and he’s at the very least proven he has the experience and capability to win a few games.

by Wien on Aug 24, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

When did I say

I ever had a vote of confidence in Trent? See, this is part of the problem here. This whole “Team Jacob/Team Edward (ironic)” dichotomy. Just because I said that Brohm has only played terribly in prior pre-season efforts doesn’t mean I’m all “Team Edwards”. Its not a Man vs Man thing for me, I’m just looking at who has made the most with their time in the league to this point, and it has been Trent. He played well in his preseason debut, he threw for some TDs, and he usurped JP for it. He had the same opportunities that Brohm had in an effort to outplay Matt Flynn. One did well, one didn’t. Brohm has had an uphill battle since… doesn’t mean he sucks, just means he has to work a little harder to make it. And if he truly has what it takes, then him working a little harder to make it will only make him that much better a QB.

I don’t buy into the “unknown” because we’ve seen him in gametime. If preseason doesn’t count, then why do so many people s**t on Trent for last year preseason debacle? Why was their a firestorm of hate for Trent after the Washington debacle a couple weeks ago? Why was a simple TD pass he threw to Lee so suddenly hottly contested by his own “fans” if preseason doesn’t matter? The answer is, it DOES matter. Its how you evaluate players, find your stars, fill out your depth chart, and burn off the riff raff. These past few preseason games in the NFL have been looking more and more like playoff games (anyone else see the chargers and the cowboys? or the seahawks and greenbay Anyone knew who Victor Cruz was before the Jets/Giants game?). Don’t fool yourself, preseason matters. And with the way teams have been playing so far, it’s legit gametime (ask Ochocinco after he got the crap knocked out of him last week. Better yet, go read his twitter post about it that he was fined for).

by Wien on Aug 24, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trent has established himself as the best QB option on our roster to this point,

some people would disagree with that; that’s why i interpreted it as you voting confidence in him. i’d say because fitz won more games last year, he’s established himself as the best option for the upcoming season. its all opinion.

by quantumuprising on Aug 25, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Basically, your facts and logic will not stand up to the denial of many Bills fans.

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by Undee on Aug 24, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

call me crazy

and I know its the “all important third preseason game” but I say let Levi Brown run with the 2’s.

I’d wager at this point that the coaching staff already has a general idea of who they like better, there has been a lot of camp time, OTAs, and the two preaseason games.

So why not let Levi get a shot to run with the twos and make a case for himself to be the backup? Its really not that unrealistic to expect that he might impress – I mean when one really thinks about it. Brian Brohm was beaten out for a primary backup job when he was a highly touted 2nd rounder by 7th rounder Matt Flynn in the past. Many on here see certain that Brohm is the better option that Fitzpatrick because his ceiling and his skills so if Brohm has lost his job to a 7th rounder before then why couldn’t a 7th rounder again be a better option than he AND Fitz?

And then of course, there is the fact that Levi Brown was considered a better prospect by many more media outlets and scouts than Matt Flynn was. He was a projected 3rd to 5th rounder depending on who was analyzing him – I know its not always smart to go on media scouts opinions but they do matter because a lot of these guys are former NFL and college scouts. Didnt Chan himself say they had a 3rd or 4th round grade on Levi?

We’ll still get a good idea of who’s better between Fitz and Brohm if they go against the third stringers in a head to head in the case Levi flops. But it also offers the chance for Levi to rise above the blandness that has been Brohm and Fitz.

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by poz on Aug 24, 2010 12:15 PM EDT reply actions  

haha

I was waiting to see when that would come!

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by poz on Aug 24, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree Poz!

I say, why not? Why not let everyone get a shot at running with the two’s for some meaningful playing time. Then, you let the top two of the three duke it out in week 4 of pre-season for the 2nd and 3rd slots. Unless the team is looking to stash Levi on the proactice squad, I don’t see why they wouldn’t go that route.

by JRA_BBILLS on Aug 24, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you answered your own question.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Fitz plays or doesn’t play in the upcoming game, I still know what we get with him in a regular season game. Brohm, I don’t. If Brohm puts in another mediocre performance, well then Brohm can grab his bags.
Even if Fitz puts up a great game, would that change how anyone thinks of him? Would anyone say “wow, maybe he has a higher ceiling then we thought” – I know I wouldn’t

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by Ghetts on Aug 24, 2010 12:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Brohm needs more snaps against higher competition for a fair evaluation. Period.

by billskk69 on Aug 24, 2010 12:54 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

wtf?

why is this a discussion? Trent Edwards should be the 2nd string QB. It’s not a QB competition if Edwards is the only one that gets 1st team reps. Fitzpatrick has been pretty awful through camp and in preseason… so if Edwards starts the QB situation is all but settled.

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by ForeignArrow on Aug 24, 2010 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Gailey actually laid this whole open competition thing out several months ago. Here is an excerpt from a WGR story:

On if he anticipates having a starting quarterback named by the first day of training camp:
No, but by the time we get to training camp we’ll have somebody that is going to work with the first group, somebody that’s going to work with the second group going in just because if it happens that way then you’ve got a leg up. If you try to get everybody equal shots from the first day of camp then you’ll probably get nobody ready rather than getting three ready. So we’ll probably make some determination from this, decide for a lack of a better term a pecking order for camp and then go from there. But it still will be open when we go to camp

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by WhyBillsWhy on Aug 24, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whew!

Thank – you, I was getting lost there for a minute. Trent is starter, who cares how the rest stack up? It’s tweedle dee or tweedle dum, come on draft QB in round 1!

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by buffalobacker on Aug 24, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I voted for Brohm

Let Brian play and let’s see what he can do. Maybe we have a “potential starter” in Brohm. If we do then that will give us a chance to get O-line in the draft. Fitz is so-so if it were up to me my depth chart would like this

1 Edwards
2 Brohm

3 Brown doing play calling

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by buffalofan1 on Aug 24, 2010 7:34 PM EDT reply actions  

fitz

should be backup for this team.
trents the best guy so he starts
fitz is the second best so he is the backup
levi stays bc its not safe to throw him on the practice squad.

brohm gets squeezed out here. fitzpatricks a better qb right now and were already keeping levi as a project. keeping brohm as another project just doesnt make sense . fitz stays bc with an above average running game and a decent defense he can win more ball games than brohm this season

this is 2 nfl coaching staffs who have seen alot more of this guy than we have and didnt seem to like the view. why do so many of u think youre right and theyre wrong?

by boomsauce on Aug 24, 2010 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

well we know Edwards sucks

 and Fitz sucks so you should give Brohm as much times as possible to see where he’s at

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by Patssuck456 on Aug 24, 2010 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

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