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Bills' Gailey Chews Out Hecklers As Camp Closes

The Buffalo Bills have officially concluded training camp, but Chan Gailey couldn't get off the field without getting a parting jab in on a rowdy group of fans.

WGRZ reports that Gailey left the practice field Tuesday morning to have a few words with a group of fans that chose to spend the final practice heckling starting quarterback Trent Edwards. Gailey prohibited his players from signing autographs for the group, and told the hecklers precisely why his players wouldn't be signing for them.

Said Gailey, according to BuffaloBills.com: "If you dog one of us, you dog all of us... I just explained to them why the players wouldn’t be over there to sign some autographs for them," he said. "They said some things during practice that were derogatory to a couple of our players. And if you say something derogatory to one of us you say it to all of us, so I told them not to sign for that group."

Edwards was appreciative of Gailey's decision, but also made it clear that the criticism doesn't bother him.

"I’m a fan of the L.A. Dodgers and they’re not playing very good baseball right now," Edwards said. "I could probably go off on a couple of their players. I probably wouldn’t to their face, and if I did I would expect Joe Torre to come after me and say something to me. So that’s nice that I have a head coach that’ll do that, but they’re more than welcome to say whatever they want."

The Bills are on their way back to Orchard Park, where they'll continue preparations for Cincinnati and the regular season.

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Great, stand up for your players, but make them responsible when the don’t play well.

Also, Gailey, Edwards et al. need to EARN our respect. Right now the tank is very low… Go win some games and fill up the “respect tank”!

I got nothing.

by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 24, 2010 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

sure – but they’re also people and this is just a game. depending on what was said – it might have been uncalled for (and probably was)

I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....

by J2 on Aug 24, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

need to EARN our respect.

There are a lot of people I don’t respect Jason, I still don’t choose to outwardly disrespect them.

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"

by poz on Aug 24, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

In fairness, this is one of the only ways we can show our displeasure for players not performing. We pay their salary, we are their “bosses” to some respect.

I don’t condone the behavior, but I guess I can understand it… My guess is these were teenagers just being stupid, and Chan did the right thing.

I got nothing.

by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 24, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

The worst argument ever...
We pay their salary, we are their "bosses" to some respect.

I know we pay the for tickets and watch the games. But we are not their bosses in any way…we dont pay their salaries in any meaningful way. We individually pay a fraction of the fraction of the cost. If you want to say “we” as in all Buffalo Bills football fans, than maybe you have a point; but then all of us would need to say the same thing, otherwise, its still a fraction of a fraction. They hecklers did not represent “all” Bills fans and therefore, they dont collectlively pay anything. The NFL and Ralph Wilson are the “bosses” and the purse-string holders, not us. Just a pet-pieve of mine. It’s like when the a-hole getting pulled over tells the officer “I pay your salary!” No, no you dont.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

We will disagree than

Simply put, if it wasn’t for Bills fans, than the players would not exist. Yes, we don’t manage the purse-strings, but the reality is we are ultimately responsible for their lifestyle.

I got nothing.

by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 24, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I eat Lay’s potato chips too. Does that mean I can tell their HR director for the Northeastern US who he should hire because I pay a fraction of his salary? I don’t agree with your logic at all.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Aug 24, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a poor analogy. We don’t get to tell Ralph who to hire and fire – we can bemoan he’s bad choices, but Jason isn’t advocating we bust down Ralph’s door to have him fire someone.

What is a good analogy, is if you eat Lay’s potato chips, and they started adding garbage to the ingredients, then yes, you do have the right as a consumer and a customer to voice your displeasure with Lay’s (and you should too).

Formerly of thatguy34 fame.

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by Jon Harrington on Aug 24, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yours is certainly a better analogy, but I feel that the point remains the same. We’re not their bosses in any respect. We’re consumers. If we don’t like what they do, we register our displeasure with our voices and/or wallets, but it’s a different relationship than the players being our employees. I maintain that yelling at Trent Edwards not to suck is a lot like yelling at a middle manager that he’s doing his job wrong. Maybe it’s therapeutic, but it’s certainly not fruitful.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Aug 24, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta agree with Jason....

If nobody cared enough to watch these guys play a game of football, then they would not get paid to do so.

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by StroudFanClub on Aug 24, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes they would...

Jacksonville players are still getting paid

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zing!

Where else would you rather be?

by bflo on Aug 24, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

: )

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just dont think you know where the money really comes from...

its not from us, its the advertising from the games that the NFL shares. That is what pays the players, not the tickets, jerseys, or concessions. That stuff pays for the stadium maintenance and other “non-football” related expenses, simply because its not that much money at all compared to the revenue sharing scheme.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again, if we didn’t watch the game, advertisers wouldn’t pay to get our attention.

It all comes down to the fans… If we don’t exist neither does the NFL.

I got nothing.

by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 24, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, it comes down to the fans, but not BILLS fans. The revenue is distributed acrosse the leauge. Bills fans could completely boycott watching the bills and watching the nfl, but the Bills’ players would still get paid just as they do now. Obviously that scenario would have other consequences but the fact remains.

Enjoying my annual three months of optimism.

by Trashplate on Aug 24, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I work as a political advisor (equivalent to the Democrats in Australia).

Best response I saw was a politiction who was confronted by a nut job who threw out the “my taxes pay your salary, I am your boss” line. In response the politician, out loud and off the top of her head, divded her salary by the number of constituants in her Electorate. To the crazy constituant she said “here is your money back” and gave him 25 cents.

Pure gold.

by muzza34 on Aug 25, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

We all know who pays politicians – - – Big Corporations… They just call it “fundraising”.

I got nothing.

by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 25, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

And lobbyists…who are largely paid by corporations and unions…so, it’s all circular.
/politics

[waiting for Brian to remove these]

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by Jon Harrington on Aug 25, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why bother him while he is trying to prepare for a game?

How is that productive? Would you boo a band during sound check? These practices are open to the fans for free. Nobody paid to get in so to bring up salary in this case makes zero sense. If we go to a game we CHOSE to pay our money. If he doesn’t perform boo him there, but not at practice when he’s trying to prepare to play the game. Obviously these people must have been particularly foul for Gailey to address them. People have gotten way out of hand with what they feel they are entitled to. It’s crazy. Then if one of these players jumped in the bleachers and beat their behind they would be upset and want to sue. Treat people the way you want to be treated. Simple as that. Who’s walking into your job harassing you while you attempt to do it?

by phaze1 on Aug 24, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

.

Who’s walking into your job harassing you while you attempt to do it?

Who’s harassing you at home while your preparing to go to work?!

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by Montel on Aug 24, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

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by buffalobacker on Aug 24, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who’s walking into your job harassing you while you attempt to do it?

My boss. But that’s kind of not related. :-)

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by WhyBillsWhy on Aug 24, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny, and sadly true.

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by Montel on Aug 24, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha...

very funny

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd for this line...
Would you boo a band during sound check?

Boooooo!!! You didn’t even finish the song! You suck!

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

it is one thing to be responsible for bad play

it is another to be heckled at an open practice.

I have never said things to the players at a game or practice and look down at those who do. Sure i get mad and yell at the TV but only because i love the team and i don’t attack players.

If you love a team, why attack these guys, feeling hate from your supposed loyal fans cannot help you want to win.

Glad Gailey did something about it, they need to be a tight unit and want to win for each other.

To whoever the group was, i am ashamed of you.

"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-

by billsoferie on Aug 24, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not ashamed of the hecklers. I think heckling is stupid, but it’s their right to express their opinions however they want. I’m also glad Gailey responded the way he did.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 24, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i kinda am

when that stuff goes on at games it ruins things

but you are right i don’t know anything about the situation or what they said so ill say i am dissapointed.

"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-

by billsoferie on Aug 24, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose it is their right, but still doesn’t do any good, what a waste of carbon. Love what Gailey did, so different than DJ, for better or worse, time will tell.

Why do they put the Gideon Bibles only in the bedrooms, where it's usually too late, and not in the barroom downstairs? ~Christopher Morley, Contribution to a Contribution

by garcia76 on Aug 24, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well put, I agree with what Chan did… And I love the quote from PFT.

I disagree with some of you guys though, giving the players a hard time is somewhat warranted. You are ultimately paying their multi-million dollar salaries (not at an open practice, I realize) and if a player repeadetly has brain farts or the similar on the field, I think they deserve to hear it. Jeering/Booing is acceptable, heckling is not (unless you are Brian Cox of course). If a player can’t handle it, get out of the proverbial kitchen and give back your paycheck… It comes with the territory to a certain extent.

Again, what Chan did was commendable, although not really overly noteworthy. Now go put some “W’s” on the board!

I got nothing.

by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 24, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't really care that much

about the players’ feelings… but when some jerk won’t shut up at a game he can almost ruin it for you. Those are the jokers I meet afterward in the parking lot. Hecklers are attention-whoring morons that weren’t coddled enough as children or something.

"I don't agree with a damn thing you say, but I would die for your right to say it."

"If I had to do it all over again, I'd do it all over again."

by ForeignArrow on Aug 24, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is how I feel...
Those are the jokers I meet afterward in the parking lot. Hecklers are attention-whoring morons that weren’t coddled enough as children or something.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree… Again to me their is a line between Hecklers and people who boo/jeer… Heckling is unnecessary and uncomfortable to fans around those said hecklers. Especially when the heckling isn’t about performance and much more personal.

I got nothing.

by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 24, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

dont go personal…performance gets in their head more anyway.

I was at the Niner-Giants playoff game with my buddy who has season tix. We were 4 rows from the south endzone railing and Jeremy Shockey kept getting open in the back of the endzone but couldn’t make the catch, I think he dropped like three TDs in that game all right in front of us. Every time he dropped the pass, my buddy and I yelled in unison to Shockey “You suck!”, after the third drop, we yelled it again and he turned and stared at us and then flipped us off before returning to the sidelines (the Giants kicked a FG). The whole crowd gave high-fives to us starting laughing at him because he let us get under his skin.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

should have said

the whole crowd in our little section…

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeremy Shockey

That’s the one NFL’er I’d heckle in a second. Good story.

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by Undee on Aug 24, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brian Cox

I might heckle him.

I got nothing.

by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 24, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Romanowski

If we are going back in the day.

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by Undee on Aug 24, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s a terrible human being…who apparently cares about everyone’s health these days.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 24, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's his name!

I was reading the comments and was thinking who was the guy who gave the fans the finger and said he hated Buffalo. I can see heckling opposing players but never understood why folks do it to their home team’s players.

by blknites on Aug 24, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wellllll....

Just because someone has the “right” to do something doesn’t make it OK for them to do it. It seems strange to me that if these hecklers were to do what they did to, say, a grocery store clerk, they could be arrested… but as long as it’s sports it’s OK to subject other people (namely children) to indecency(?). And yes, Brian… I believe it is shameful. Why do you think everyone and their mother hates Philly fans? Because as a collective whole they are the most obnoxious and disgusting sports fans on the planet (with Yankee fans and Limey hooligans a close 2nd). I want my Buffalo Bills and their fans to have a reputation as far as possible from that kind of tomfoolery.

"I don't agree with a damn thing you say, but I would die for your right to say it."

"If I had to do it all over again, I'd do it all over again."

by ForeignArrow on Aug 24, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. Hyperbole alert.
with Yankee fans and Limey hooligans a close 2nd

Have you ever BEEN to Yankee Stadium? The old or the new? Pure hyperbole. With the exception of the bleacher creatures (rumors of which are wayyyy overblown,) Yankee games are very pleasant.

CJ, don't SPILLith thy Kool Aid.

by kgun201 on Aug 24, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Haha

No, I haven’t… but unfortunately you are still responsible for millions of displaced New Yorkers around the country (there’s probably more NYers in FL than Floridians) who are obnoxious and arrogant as hell. Sooo… no, it’s not an exaggeration. Ask anyone other than another Yankee fan how they fell about Yankee fans…

Anyways… we’re getting off-topic

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by ForeignArrow on Aug 24, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

not off topic

i have been to Yankee games and Bills games frequently… and Bills fans are BY FARRRRR… by orders of magnitude… more obnoxious (read drunk)!

CJ, don't SPILLith thy Kool Aid.

by kgun201 on Aug 24, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

That can be said of any football game vs. any baseball game. It’s the nature of the two seasons.

by Dr. Brackish Okun on Aug 24, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Off-topic

because the point is hecklers suck. Besides, what fan would ever concede that they are obnoxious?

"I don't agree with a damn thing you say, but I would die for your right to say it."

"If I had to do it all over again, I'd do it all over again."

by ForeignArrow on Aug 24, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

same goes for Sox fans man

i find them worse

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by billsoferie on Aug 24, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

An aside, but kind of related. A friend of mine used to work at a ballet academy, run kind of like a boarding school, and was in charge of the non-school activities they do so that the girls don’t crack under the pressure and go nuts. She decides to takes the girls on a field trip to the old Yankee Stadium for a day game. They’re trying to get the girls into it and try to start The Wave. This Yankee fan behind them yells “Sit down or go back to Shea!” I think that sums it up nicely, actually.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Aug 24, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am ashamed a bit...

As you all know by now, I am not a Fitz fan, but I would never yell across a practice field while the man is trying to do his job for the team I love (I even was happy for him and the team when he threw the TD). Its disrespectful to the team as a whole to heckle while they are working. So I echo Gaileys feelings and I am proud of the HC. The hecklers do not speak for me.

This would’ve been different if it was at a game. They can say whateva they want at a game.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

because you payed to go?

or because it is a part of it?

"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-

by billsoferie on Aug 24, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because the fans paid for the ticket and also because in a game the fans are more free to express themselves if they are disappointed. In practice, the players are trying to get better, so why try to interfere with that progress? In the games, its about execution, if the players fail to execute, then IMO, fans have more reason to be upset.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree....

and BIG UPS to Gailey. I’m liking this guy more and more.

by blknites on Aug 24, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too!

"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People… " – Luther6

by Montel on Aug 24, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

it is another to be heckled at an open practice.
I think heckling at practice is over the line.

by Montel on Aug 24, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

totally agree

my buddies continue to rag on me because this same thing happened all the way back at the open spring practice at the ralph. i couldnt believe some of the things coming out of peoples mouth at that, and i kinda felt sorry for trent because he received the brunt of it. now im looked at as trents #1 fan simply because i stood up for the guy and felt like it was a little unreasonable to be so critical so early in the offseason. thank you chan gailey, one more reason to billieve.

STOP THE INSANITY!!!

by BuffJD on Aug 24, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I like Chan more and more as the days go by, he reminds me of Lou Saban. I swear any day now I expect him to take the field wearing those old school football spikes with the white leather strap around the opening of the shoe.

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by Montel on Aug 24, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

.

Sure i get mad and yell at the TV but only because i love the team and i don’t attack players.

I’m like you, I prefer to attack inantimate objects that contain likeness of them. If I were to yell at them in person, they might glare at me- then I’d be forced to curl up in the fetal position and scream just like my daughter taught me when as a toddler she kicked me in the tenderloin!

"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People… " – Luther6

by Montel on Aug 24, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why are you so angry? I have been a fan of the same team as you for as long as I have been alive and aware (close to 30 years).

I don’t understand the constant attitude toward everything Bills. It’s a new regime. Give them some time…………. just sayin

by blitzboy54 on Aug 24, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am tired of losing (it really is that simple). I think we had an opportunity to address issues that have plagued us for years, the new regime chose not to. If they can’t show results and the didnt’ address these blatant holes in our team, than what?

So when a story comes out that Chan did blah blah blah, or Nix did blah blah blah, than it doesn’t mean much to me. You play to WIN the games. As NIX said “Show me the baby”.

Enough soap box, you asked, no hijacking this post anymore.

I got nothing.

by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 24, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe we wait until they actually lose a few meaningful games before we proclaim our lack of faith and that they don’t know what they’re doing?

by Dr. Brackish Okun on Aug 24, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fight the bait… urgghhhh…

Fine, am I allowed to be disappointed than or will you still wave the “rebuilding” flag in front of me… Again, I could buy into rebuilding if we actually were (QB/LT). But sans those parts, I have a hard time buying in.

OK thats it, won’t respond again.

I got nothing.

by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 24, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m proud of you, Jason! Fight that bait! :)

by Brian Galliford on Aug 24, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

But I caved.

I got nothing.

by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 24, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh you do spelunking in the offseason?

abayarde- "I SAY this get ready cause the BUFFALO BILLS ARE COMING TO TOWN and I dont mean like Santa clause. WE will not Surrender this is were you all FALL The WHAGON BLASTER IS TAKING OFF AND YOU PUNKS are in our way, This wagon has no BREAKS so get ready for the ride of the life time"

by WABillsfan on Aug 25, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

There's a pill for that

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by Montel on Aug 24, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

As NIX said "Show me the baby".

What I don’t understand is, if this is your attitude, why do you even bother posting at all before the season actually starts? What can you possibly contribute to the discussion?

The season hasn’t started yet. There won’t be a baby until at least 6 or 7 weeks into the season. So what the heck are you even posting here for? I seriously don’t understand.

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by thefourwinds on Aug 24, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

so

its like telling someone their baby is ugly before its born? hahah

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"

by poz on Aug 24, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because I really don’t think Nix has made the moves to “show me the baby”, therefore I will stand behind this rally cry when in week 3 he tries to convince me the Bills are rebuilding.

I got nothing.

by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 24, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

then wait till then. it seems like you’re just setting yourself up not to be disappointed.

by Dr. Brackish Okun on Aug 24, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you have no logical basis for saying that – if your rationale is, “Show me the baby,” which is what you constantly say, then, at this point, you have nothing else to add. But now you’re saying,

Because I really don’t think Nix has made the moves to "show me the baby"

Obviously, other people disagree. But you (and a couple others like you) constantly accuse them of “drinking the kool-aid” just because they disagree with you. You can’t have it both ways.

If you want to use, “Show me the baby” as your excuse, then shut up until there’s a baby there. Otherwise, start engaging in some meaningful discussion. You just make yourself look foolish.

2010 Bills' truth in advertising: "Look out Cleveland, this year we score 6!" - bluecollarbuffalo

by thefourwinds on Aug 25, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I will sum it up with this

Just because you don’t see the merits in my opinion, it does not make it worthless. Furthermore, just because my opinion might not be in line with the majority of people on the boards this does not diminish its value or make me look “foolish”.

I don’t beleive your views are “foolish” or lack “meaning”, they are just different and to attack my views as such demonstrates a lack of maturity.

Remember – Opinions are like belly buttons, we all have one.

I got nothing.

by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 25, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I never said your opinion was foolish. I said the way you back it up is two-faced.

Here’s what you said at the very first comment of this post:

Gailey, Edwards et al. need to EARN our respect. Right now the tank is very low… Go win some games and fill up the "respect tank"!

Then below that, you said (again),

As NIX said “Show me the baby”.

Well, the only opportunity they have to do that right now is win preseason games. They just went out and handily won their last preseason game. There is no other opportunity at this present moment to do what you want them to do. So, if this is truly your reasoning (nothing they do will amount to anything until they win, win, win), then there is nothing else they can do, and you really have nothing else to add at this present moment, because your only logical response could be, “They haven’t won anything yet.”

However, when I pressed you on that, here’s what you said:

Because I really don’t think Nix has made the moves to "show me the baby",

So, now we get down to it: what other baby is there to show? What moves have they not made that ever could have “shown you the baby”? Nothing they could have done could have produced more than one additional preseason win, because they haven’t played any more games at this point.

So really, what is comes down to is you DO disagree with the moves they’ve made, but rather than keeping the discussion on those moves that they can actually be judged on in the present, you hide behind, “Show me the baby.”

That’s what I’m pressing you on. You can have (and express) whatever opinion you want here. But if you (and a couple others) are just going to whine “Show me the baby” all the time, when the season hasn’t even started yet, well, you’re not being honest, and in that vein, you don’t contribute anything to the discussion unless you start actually addressing the moves they have actually made.

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by thefourwinds on Aug 25, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Remember – Opinions are like belly buttons, we all have one.

I beg to differ:
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 25, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

BB54- I had lunch with a Giants fan today, and he was very impressed by the loyalty of Buffalo Bills fans.

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by Montel on Aug 24, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trent could stop sucking so much on the field but of course they should yell just as much at Ralph and the lack of O-line as Trent

"The one commonality in both places (Oakland and Buffalo) is an aging owner who keeps interfering too much. Ralph Wilson continually butts his nose in the football operation and tells the team who to draft"

by BillsfanfromDenmark on Aug 24, 2010 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

he just came off of a good pre season game and is in my opinion is in a fresh start

Trent has struggled at times and is not completely to blame in my opinion.

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by billsoferie on Aug 24, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re giving him no credit for this preseason. He and they deserve the heckling based on their history? That’s wrong, in my opinion.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 24, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do not have a problem with what Chan did, but as long as the fans were not being vulgar they have a right to express their opinion. Lets not make these people out to be hoodlums until we find out what kind of language they were using.

by billsfan69 on Aug 24, 2010 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

it was you wasnt it!!??! haha

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"

by poz on Aug 24, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

i doubt Chan would do something like this,

if they were calling him a dork and a stink face

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by billsoferie on Aug 24, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Expressing your opinion is a right, still don’t see the sense of doing it to call out the skill set of an athlete.

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by garcia76 on Aug 24, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s also an open practice. You’re basically a guest of the team. They’re practicing. I don’t know, I feel like if Edwards threw 3 ints in a game and looked horrible, I would feel that heckling was more justified. At training camp, I think it’s just stupid. I like that Gailey stood up.

by OMGSTUFF on Aug 24, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve seen these kids a bunch this camp, and they’re pretty self-righteous, arrogant jerks. Too old to behave that way, too young to slap on the wrist with disorderly conduct. Quite honestly, it’s a family atmosphere, and SJF security should escort them out.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 24, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s something about suffering through 4 super bowl losses that really makes you able handle some disappointment. It’s something fans of other teams and even younger Bills fans don’t quite get.

by Dr. Brackish Okun on Aug 24, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m glad you grasp the team unity angle of the thing, because most fans will focus on team/fan relations. The latter is not what this was about.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 24, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

In fairness, it is a little about both, maybe less towards the latter.

I got nothing.

by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 24, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

well said.

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"

by poz on Aug 24, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amen

my feelings exactly…

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by Michael_Necci on Aug 24, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not the best way to end camp.

Let’s hope we have a good showing Saturday night. Last seasons headlines regarding the fans were warranted but classless, nonetheless. My vote is for no billboards or vandalism in 2010.

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by VanScottM on Aug 24, 2010 1:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Why even make it an issue?

This kind of thing happens at every professional sports practice and game. Making it a two way thing is bad for the organization. These guys are getting paid millions of dollars to deal with this stuff, they don’t need “daddy Chan” to protect them.

by ra001m on Aug 24, 2010 1:08 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

if you feel your coach has your back

especially whens an in your face guy like Chan apparently is, you’ll play harder for him.

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"

by poz on Aug 24, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

not really

“daddy chan” is not protecting, he is building up Trent’s confidence, that he and the team got his back.

by the buffahoe on Aug 24, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

“got his back” against a couple of fans teasing him at a practice? Cmon, its not like they were going to fight each other. If Trent needs support and confidence builders for that, how is he going to react when he throws a pick and a MLB slams his face in the turf?

by ra001m on Aug 24, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

how is he going to react when he throws a pick and a MLB slams his face in the turf?

Throw a 70 yard TD to Lee?

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by billsoferie on Aug 24, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

This is about the coach being even in his disposition. He doesn’t criticize his players in public and he wants the fans to know he frowns upon it. This incident has put the media on notice how the coach feels about criticizing the players. Critique the team, no personal attacks.

by Montel on Aug 24, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well put.

"Ability without character will lose. The Bills are going to be a team of high character. That stamp I will push very hard. I hope we can convey that to our fans and project something very special to the rest of the nation." - Marv Levy

by BuffaloBlueBlood on Aug 25, 2010 12:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Good on Gailey

He’s absolutely right. He’s trying to build a new culture focused on winning, but winning the right way. This is an ideal ppl in Buffalo should be used to. Work hard, and get respect. If he sees Trent putting in 100%, then he’s completely justified in standing up for his QB.

Seperately, if you feel enough anger to heckle and berate players, why would you want autographs from anyone on the team? Pretty shameless if you ask me.

by shrubz on Aug 24, 2010 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm for it.

It sends two clear messages to the team:
-Our coach believes in us and has our back.
-All for one, one for all. We succeed or fail together.

Way to go, Chan.

by dinendal7 on Aug 24, 2010 1:21 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Interesting… It had to be some pretty serious stuff that they were saying…

I like it. It shows they are all in this together. Chan chewed out Stevie yesterday, and some fans today. Its like “I can pick on my family, but you cant” type of additude. I like it.

Where else would you rather be?

by bflo on Aug 24, 2010 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Its like "I can pick on my family, but you cant" type of additude. I like it.

Everyone had that friend in high school that the guys constantly teased but if anyone outside of the group tried it he was the fastest one to have everyone at this back. Chan is building a group mentality and that is crucial for winning in sports.

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"

by poz on Aug 24, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahaha. Yes we did. And thats exactly what I was thinking about. I like it from Chan.

Where else would you rather be?

by bflo on Aug 24, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

These individuals are young teen boys, at least the ones I saw today. They’re not interested in seeing the team perform. They whine for a guy to come over, then hate on him, then beg as he leaves the field. If I was Gailey, i’d have taken their helmet or football and booted across the field.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 24, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or Bruce Smith his football by popping it and yelling “INTIMIDATION!!!!”

Now THAT would have been amazing.

Where else would you rather be?

by bflo on Aug 24, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boom. Respected.

Awesomeness. Good to have a coach willing to step up for his players outside of the scripted interview setting.

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by Kurupt on Aug 24, 2010 1:22 PM EDT reply actions   3 recs

Good for Chan

Attitude trickles down from the coach ( I posted that y’day) In the past when players were out partying the offensive line players would make sure nobody messed with their Q-back. Right or wrong this is a step toward team unity.

by danop55 on Aug 24, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love the spidey reference, how about in the replacements when the Oline pulls out their guns and gets Falco’s truck flipped back over.

Well we tried the no offense huddle, why not give the no huddle offense a go?!!

by mavadjdj on Aug 24, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is a difference between no respect, and disrespect

If you dont respect him it doesnt mean you have to be disrespectful to him. He has always shown himself to be classy, and is trying to prove himself on the field

Just because you may not like the guy, is not an excuse to heckle. He will, in all likely hood, be leading this team into the Ralph this year. He The team needs our support.

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by Superduff on Aug 24, 2010 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Plus it makes us look shady to Free Agents. Vandelizing players lawns and heckling them at every misstep is no way to show that Buffalo loves its football

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by Superduff on Aug 24, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

McKelvin’s fumble was absolutely horrible. He would have to single handidly beat the Pats twice to make up for it.

And fans want to make noise, since there is nothing to cheer for they resort to heckling the awful players holding this team back, like Edwards.

by buffaloranger on Aug 24, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

TE is holding the team back? You think we are that good? Man, are you going to be dissappointed. And to say that McKelvins fumble justified his property being vandalized is just wrong.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree'd

It makes us look bad to the nation. it was all over espn. when someone, football pro or not, thinks of buffalo i dont want them to think we are a bunch of rabid bafoons. I want them to think we are great fans who support our guys through thick and thin. Boo the other team, not yours.

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by Superduff on Aug 25, 2010 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Chan is earning himself a nickname.

"Football's gotta be dangerous. It's gotta be labor and pains." -Deacon Jones

by Undee on Aug 24, 2010 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Chewie?

Where else would you rather be?

by bflo on Aug 24, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

i like it

If anyone has seen “My Left Foot” with Daniel-Day Lewis, the father in that reminds me greatly of Chan.

"Football's gotta be dangerous. It's gotta be labor and pains." -Deacon Jones

by Undee on Aug 24, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ill have to keep an eye out.

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by bflo on Aug 24, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

When I read:

If anyone has seen "My Left Foot"

I seriously thought the line was going somewhere else…

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Stewie's rendition on Family Guy

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by Kurupt on Aug 24, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

“A shut mouth catches no flies”

by kai11 on Aug 24, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

A closed mouth gathers no feet.

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by BuffaloBlueBlood on Aug 25, 2010 12:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

chan solo eh eh...

Watch your mouth kid, or you’re gonna find yourself floating home.

Those punk kids are just bantha fodder now.

by Buffalove83 on Aug 24, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

These "fans"

Are the same ones that think going to the game is just an excuse to get hammered. The spoil it for the rest of us. Good for Chan for not putting up with the idiots.

Trample the weak, hurdle the dead!

by fansince83 on Aug 24, 2010 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Id bet they had a few up there at SJF before they started going at Trent too

Where else would you rather be?

by bflo on Aug 24, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Practice was at 9:30 AM! Even I don’t drink that early.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 24, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha thats right. I was thinking it was a night practice…

Practice was at 9:30 AM! Even I don’t drink that early.

Even Sept 12th? :-)

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by bflo on Aug 24, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

These kids are more the type for french fries and burgers at 10 am.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 24, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. I was just thinking, OK so these people actually pay money for tickets to go to practice just so they can yell at the players?
This is America and people do have a right to express themselves, but I hope they felt like heels after Chan chewed them a new one.

by billskk69 on Aug 24, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

The tickets are free, and no tickets are required at all for a morning practice like this one. You do have to use the shuttle bus to get to the campus and there is a $1 round-trip charge for that (though it is free for kids and for seniors), but the money goes solely to pay for the bus service — not for the practice itself.

I think it is fair enough for fans to express their upset if the team plays poorly during a regular season game when they have been charged a sizable sum for admission, but at a practice where you are attending in effect as a guest of the team it is totally wrong and Chan Gailey was right to react as he did.

by Macktruck on Aug 24, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, I got ya. I’m not from the area. But I kept seeing posts about the tickets to the practices so I guess I assumed they cost a fee. What’s the point of having tickets if they are free? I don’t get it. Why not just make them open to the public except for the closed practices?
I’m with you on that. If someone pays good money for a ticket, a little razzing is OK if a player makes a bonehead move. Within reason of course, like keeping the expletives to a minimum. What happened to McKelvin last year was WAY over the line.

by billskk69 on Aug 24, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

They require tickets to make sure there aren’t more people at the night practices than can fit into the stadium (which holds about 1,500 — it’s a small college). The day practices are held on two practice fields behind the stadium so there is no problem with seating — everyone has to stand or sit on a grassy hill (there is one bleacher section, but it’s a pretty undesirable place to be if you want to see the team). Also, fewer people show up during the day so there is no concern about the area becoming overfilled. It’s a pretty sensible system.

by Macktruck on Aug 24, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was there today...

At first I didn’t know why there weren’t more players signing at camp’s end. I did hear the kids yelling at Edwards. These are the same guys who just sit on that railing every practice, only wanting autographs—not there to see how the team is doing. Gailey basically went over to him and informed them they ruined it for everyone. I can’t say I blame him one bit for doing it. Why come to practice if you’re there just to create bad vibes?

Some who I did see sign: Edwards, Moorman, David Nelson, Maybin, Cary Harris, Rashaad Duncan, Torrell Troup, Dwan Edwards, Steve Johnson, McKelvin… George Wilson threw cleats out to the crowd. It’s a pretty disgusting display at the railing most days. There’s a ton of small kids just dying for that interaction, yet who just get pushed out of the way by the greasy, smelly, selfish guys who likely only want to sell on ebay.

Lots of people bag on Maybin, but the guy is out there signing most days. I can’t say the same for Spiller. It should be mandatory that all 1st-rounders sign their rookie season.

So my quest for a Lee Evans autograph continues. What’s the secret to getting his autograph? Seriously, it’s harder than it should be.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 24, 2010 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Do you remember what kind of things those kids were saying?

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by Undee on Aug 24, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t recall. I was in the seats, around the 40. I went down to the railing as they blew the whistle (yes, I like autographs for my office =)). I didn’t really have much luck. I think one of the guys was this guy/kid who felt he was promised George Wilson’s cleats. I seem to recall he was a bit over the top. I don’t know what they were saying other than the typical “You Suck!” stuff. The sad part was all the group homes that took residents out today who had to squeeze in at the handicap section because the staff wasn’t moving people from the area. Groups of kids and group home gatherings should get 1st opportunity at an autograph. Those are the people who would appreciate it most.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 24, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the info

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. It helps me paint an image of camp in my mind.

"Football's gotta be dangerous. It's gotta be labor and pains." -Deacon Jones

by Undee on Aug 24, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Afghan, just wanted to dispute a few generalizations about autograph seeking

that I see coming through in your posts:

1.) “There’s a ton of small kids just dying for that interaction, yet who just get pushed out of the way by the greasy, smelly, selfish guys who likely only want to sell on ebay.”

- I hear this all the time…almost like kids are the only fans that should get autographs, and every adult getting autographs are getting them to resell. I gotta say I hate when I hear this.

First of all, I enjoy collecting autographs…I find it an enjoyable hobby…a way to interact with the guys I watch play football. I also love the challenge of it…trying to get the perfect autograph (tougher than you think). I would NEVER resell anything I get autographed. To my wife’s dismay, I have a great collection in my barroom that I would never part with.

Secondly, I gotta say, it does make my day as well getting a good autograph….sorry if that makes me seem like a nerd or loser….but it makes me feel like a kid again. Brings me back to a time when I used to go to sporting events with my dad.

And lastly, kids aren’t always the ones getting “pushed out of the way”…in fact, sometimes it can be quite the opposite…a few weeks ago, a buddy of mine and I decided to drive up to Cortland to go to Jets training camp. In the days beforehand, I ordered Jets mini helmets off the internet, scoured google images for good pics, went to Target to get them blown up into 8×10′s, the whole deal. We got up at 5am, drove 3 hours from Buffalo to Cortland, got a good spot at the fence, stood there for the entire 3 hour practice….and then, as Mark Sanchez came near our spot at the fence, the people behind us went nuts and started pushing their way to get close to the fence…in fact, as I stood there with my Sanchez 8×10, two kids about 8-10 years old pushed their way through the crowd and tried to go under my legs to get closer!! I couldn’t believe that these 2 kids were trying to get by me! So I did what I thought was appropriate…I stood my ground. I didn’t let the first kid through my legs, and I didn’t let the second kid around me. If they wanted an autograph, they could just stick their hand out with their item like everyone else and see if Sanchez would sign it.

Looking back, it probably seemed like I was boxing these kids out and being a jerk….but in reality, I did everything the right way, and as a result, had a great spot….I wasn’t just going to be pushed aside for a couple of kids that squirmed their way around and under people and pushed and shoved. No way man. Am I wrong in that? I don’t think so. Under less crowded circumstances, I usually wait for alot of the kids around me to get their autos before I get mine….and sometimes even help them get their item to the athlete or even give them extra pictures I have to get signed. Just wanted to dispute the common misconception of the “big bad adult stealing the poor little kids autographs”.

FYI, for those interested, I did really well at Jets training camp too…got David Harris and Bart Scott to sign my mini helmet…..and got Mark Sanchez to sign my 8×10, which was awesome…he even personalized it. Seems like a great guy. Until we play the Jets, of course!

2.) “Groups of kids and group home gatherings should get 1st opportunity at an autograph. Those are the people who would appreciate it most.”

- I think I addressed this a bit in my earlier paragraph, but just wanted to reiterate the fact that I love the hobby of collecting autographs…love the challenge, love the interaction, love getting a keepsake for my barroom (I call them “man decorations”!) that I will have for the rest of my life that will also remind me of meeting a certain player or being in a certain town or stadium, etc. It really makes me happy to come back home with a few good autos. If that makes me nerdy, so be it. (People sure as heck seem to enjoy looking at my collection when they see it, that’s for sure). So to generalize like kids or old people are the ones who most enjoy it….well, I just don’t see the point in making such a claim. Everyone enjoys it…regardless of age. In fact, I see kids all the time who would be just as happy if the mascot signed their item! I certainly won’t push any kid out of the way for that opportunity!

Just wanted to address some of the common misconceptions…..

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by StroudFanClub on Aug 24, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

almost like kids are the only fans that should get autographs, and every adult getting autographs are getting them to resell. I gotta say I hate when I hear this.

i’m sure this is goign to go over well: but shouldn’t the kids be last? I mean, us adults are presumably going to die faster than the kids will, so we have less of a chance to get autographs, so ultimately – the adults should be first over kids ;)

I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....

by J2 on Aug 24, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

love it…for being totally non-PC

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

You beat me to it, J2.

by Macktruck on Aug 24, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha. Well put!

Where else would you rather be?

by bflo on Aug 24, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd!

J2 that was the best comment ever.

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"

by poz on Aug 24, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

yikes...

well i guess your bar room will look great. different strokes…

by In8DON on Aug 24, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you know I enjoy the autographs. I also won’t ever force my hand in front of a kid that’s been waiting, and doing so patiently.

It doesn’t make you or anyone else bad by wanting them (again, I like them). It’s when people are obviously there just for the signature and shoes, shirts, etc. There was a group of girls yelling at anyone who’d listen for them to lift up their shirt to show their abs and give them said shirt…and a hug. Seriously, it was like a boy who just found a stack of nudie magazines. (Insert Billy Madison quote here.)

Oh and i’m slightly disturbed you went to that length to get a Sanchez autograph. Just because it’s the Jets. I know why you want it. But i’ll rib ‘ya for it just a little bit.


I usually wait for alot of the kids around me to get their autos before I get mine….and sometimes even help them get their item to the athlete or even give them extra pictures I have to get signed.

This is the way I handle it most times. Had I caught a cleat, i’d have given it to this kid who was in tears because Poz wasn’t coming over to sign for him. He was really quiet, just really let down. You just hate to see kids that way when they’re not being bratty about the situation.
So to generalize like kids or old people are the ones who most enjoy it

Hardly generalizing on my part. Today I witness a man as part of a group home, say maybe 50. He’s hardly independent but to anyone who’d listen, he told them “I love my Bills. That’s who we want to win. I want them to do so good.” How many other people were thinking that today? I doubt many. Most were, it’s the last day, give me your stinky practice duds. Nice incomplete pass Brohm. Nice interception Edwards.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 24, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

For sure I know your one to get an autograph or two and we share many of the same opinions actually...

In fact, it drives me nuts when a player is nice enough to come over to the fence to sign autographs for people and some are basically harassing them for a glove, shoe, jersey….since when did this start being acceptable behavior? Be happy with the damn autograph! So we share that opinion as well as how terrible some of the manners are of some autograph seekers….they will do/say anything for a player’s attention…good or bad. It really is embarrassing to be associated with such autograph seekers, and thus, we get the bad rep. So I for sure get some of these complatints…I just wanted to show the other side too.

RE: Sanchez…hey, if the Bills had a Franchise QB that was on ESPN ever 10 seconds I’d be trying even harder to get that auto! haha

By the way…great story about the older gentleman…I would have loved to see that and talk to that guy for a few minutes about our Buffalo Bills. Such a great bond…rooting for the same team with such passion.

And PS, Lee Evans is waaay tough to get…I finally lucked out this summer with him. Last year, during the full team auto session before practice one day, my buddy and I both waited in his line….but he didn’t show up for the first 15 minutes of the 25 minute session!!! He finally arrived, started signing, and sure as sh*t, we are about 2-3 people away when the horn sounds for practice…and Lee drops his sharpie and takes off!!! Couldn’t believe it. I guess you’ll just have to wait him out though…this year I was at 2 different practices where he signed for fans. And when he does sign, he seems pretty nice about it.

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by StroudFanClub on Aug 24, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

The older gentleman was of limited capacity. He was alert, and engaging, certainly. He didn’t care if anyone signed his hat. He was just happy to have been taken out to see 30 minutes of practice. It struck a cord with me, I have to say.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 24, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, as a proud mama bear (Buffalo?) I have to say, if a grown man pushed my 4 year old out of the way to get an autograph, I’d feel inclined to show him what tackling is supposed to look like. That said, if my kid pushed someone who was waiting patiently out of the way to get his, I’d be equally unhappy. Common decency seems prudent on both fronts. And I would expect my children to behave way better than the ones you describe.

 And with all due respect, I doubt you’d sleep with your autograph clutched in your hands for a week like my son likely would. It’s the little things like that that breed the next generation of hardcore Bills fans.

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by bflogrl on Aug 24, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

And with all due respect, I doubt you’d sleep with your autograph clutched in your hands for a week like my son likely would. It’s the little things like that that breed the next generation of hardcore Bills fans.

There it is. What I was looking for, but couldn’t fish out of my head. Once again, well done bflogrl. Your thoughts are well-timed and well-intended.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 24, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aw, gee, thanks!

"...and dance by the light of the moon!"

by bflogrl on Aug 25, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta say, seeing kids faces light up when they come back to their parents all excited

after getting an autograph….well, that moment always makes me smile. In fact, I always print out more pictures than I need because I love finding the poor kid who only has like a sheet of scrap paper for the player to sign and instead giving the kid a nice 8×10 of the picture….always such a great reaction.

I’m not disputing that getting an autograph is the greatest thing that can happen to many kids….only trying to say that not all adults getting autographs are only out to sell it on ebay. Lots of adults love the hobby and get almost as excited as well…

Enjoyed your post, Bflogrl. Glad your raising your son right…as a Bills fan!

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by StroudFanClub on Aug 25, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

You ordered WHAT off the internet?!?!?!

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by BuffaloBlueBlood on Aug 25, 2010 12:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I saw that too…

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 25, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought I took that part out...guess not..... : )

"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde

by StroudFanClub on Aug 25, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

How much could these guys signatures fetch on eBay? Especially without a COA. Seriously. Spiller would be the only one of any value. Mostly to his college fans.

by buffaloranger on Aug 24, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s true. But it doesn’t stop most turd-burglars from trying, especially via CL.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 24, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

God I love the term "turd-burglers"....

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by StroudFanClub on Aug 24, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

So my quest for a Lee Evans autograph continues. What’s the secret to getting his autograph? Seriously, it’s harder than it should be.

Get in the VIP tent. That’s how I got my #83 autograph.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 24, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for rubbing it in, Matt. So then you’ll be so kind as to share the privilege next time, right? Soon i’ll be able to play the kid card…until he or she is at least old enough to know what they have and want.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 24, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I got it thanks to a friend of a friend. If I get a ticket you’ll be on the list.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 24, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keep in mind we have no idea what was said. To warrant that type of reaction from a coach that appears pretty thick skinned i can only imagine it being pretty derogatory. I’m excited about Chan, he really seems like a stand up guy on all levels. I have nothing but praise for how he has addressed issues with media and fans. One can only hope such a “stand up” character translates to production on the field but we all know this isn’t always the case. I can only hope he can bring a culture of winning along side the new found culture of class he is instilling in the Bills organization.

by jayvsthevolcano on Aug 24, 2010 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh and at Sunday's night practice

some rather young kids were yelling “screw you” to a bunch of guys who wouldn’t sign. Apples and trees, folk. Apples and trees.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 24, 2010 1:44 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

That’s what I thought it was at first. It was guys yelling at players who weren’t signing. Is that what happened?

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 24, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

typical bad apple out the bunch

I was at st jogn fishers earlier this month I would ask poz and mitchell what they thought of the new defense and how there getting used to it I would shout at trent we billeave in you even tho I’m not sure I do that’s part of being a fan to have hope and glimmer when things look pretty rusty why would fans go and bash there own team and distract there own team these fans should’ve been beaten we got a bad rap for what happend with leodis I don’t want our fan base judged on a couple morons who don’t even really like the team

by allbillssince85 on Aug 24, 2010 2:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Now that is some unreal sentence structure.

And for their first pick in the 2011 draft the Buffalo Bills select ...........

by Enigma3 on Aug 24, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

That guy that bagged on Brian yesterday would have a fiiiiiiiiiiield day with that comment lol

Where else would you rather be?

by bflo on Aug 24, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone bagged on Brian for grammatical reasons?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 24, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was (blatantly) more vocabulary reasons. ; ) But Brian’s faithful were there in force.

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by Undee on Aug 24, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://mobile.buffalorumblings.com/2010/8/23/1637233/bills-training-camp-biggest

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by BuffaloBlueBlood on Aug 25, 2010 12:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It's because of "fans" like this

that none of us can get a beer in the fourth quarter. :( It starts with some heckling, next thing you know, somebody’s throwing something. Good for Gailey.

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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Aug 24, 2010 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

The Golden Rule of Heckling Pro Athletes....

Unless you can do better….shut your f’in hole! Being critical of poor play is one thing but heckling is a whole other thing. It also makes no sense to heckle at a practice, seems kind of srupid to me.

Giggity

by Jax Bills Fan on Aug 24, 2010 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I think I spent more time booing Jauron’s play calling last year then the players mistakes, talk about gutless. Although McKelvin’s fumble versus the Pats almost cost me a new TV.
Heckling preseason practice? Just shut up and drink some more beer!

Well we tried the no offense huddle, why not give the no huddle offense a go?!!

by mavadjdj on Aug 24, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

One caveat to your Golden Rule:

Rule #1: Unless you can do better….shut your f’in hole!
Caveat to Rule #1: If you do say something, it better be funny.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

True true… nothing beats a funny one liner yelled from a drunk sitting 5 rows behind you. Theres a guy in section 131 (for any season ticket holders in my section) that is 95% of the time annoying and yells dumb stuff… but once or twice a game he’ll yell something that cracks the whole section up… He also popped a blow up santa quite a few years back if that triggers anyones memory.

Where else would you rather be?

by bflo on Aug 24, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only if that golden rule applies to Aaron Maybin shutting his f’in hole until he makes his first NFL play will I agree…too late.

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by Port Royal on Aug 24, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

and now I seem stupid for misspelling stupid…argggh

Giggity

by Jax Bills Fan on Aug 24, 2010 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

hahaha

i don’t know why but that seriously made me bust out laughing….

and i agree, it does seem stupid to me too.

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by Schwing9 on Aug 24, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

And just why are Bills fans so angry at games? Could it be because we were one of only 3 times not to make the playoffs in the last 10 years? Ifyou are a fan of good football it is usually imposible to sit through a Bills game without getting angry at the incompetence laid out before you.

I liked Edwards response. I am glad he’s a dodgers fan. But I wish he was a Bills fan. And I wish he wasn’t a gutless loser that’s afraid to throw to his WRs (1 pass to Evans doesn’t change that)

by buffaloranger on Aug 24, 2010 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

No one’s saying “don’t be angry.” We’re just saying “don’t be a jackass.”

by Brian Galliford on Aug 24, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aaaand...your done.
But I wish he was a Bills fan. And I wish he wasn’t a gutless loser

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Get your facts straight!
Could it be because we were one of only 3 times not to make the playoffs in the last 10 years?

We are one of only 2 (lions)!

I got nothing.

by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 24, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder what the vegas line is on which team makes the playoffs first?

by Dr. Brackish Okun on Aug 24, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well the Lions have a QB and LT…

I got nothing.

by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 24, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Home of "Spiller the Thriller"

by buffalobacker on Aug 24, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

We don’t know that they have a QB yet.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 24, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least they have hope…

I got nothing.

by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 24, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

good point...

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who is their LT? I don’t remember.

by Dr. Brackish Okun on Aug 25, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

LT = Jeff Backus
QB = Matthew Stafford

I got nothing.

by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 25, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jeff Backus kind of stinks, though.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 25, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would disagree… I mean he is no Jason Peters, but he is at least an average LT and furhermore:

Backus has NEVER missed a game as a pro. Nearly 10 years!

It is kind of hard to throw stones when we are talking about guys like Bell and Meredith, isn’t it? Those are guys who “stink”.

I got nothing.

by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 25, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, durability is such an underrated quality in a pro player, for real. NFL coaches can build a team around an average player if a) they know that player’s limitations, and b) they know that player will be in the lineup every week.

So the durability thing is a good point, and Backus is, as you say, at least average.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 25, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

We are agreeing too much lately… starting to get scary!

I got nothing.

by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 25, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

And, clearly, this has nothing to do with the post, but I’ll take Matt Stafford and Jeff Backus over Tryian EdPatrohm and Demetrius Bell anyday.

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by Jon Harrington on Aug 25, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s true, but it’s not exactly a QB/LT combo that instills fear in the hearts of Defensive Coordinators.

by Dr. Brackish Okun on Aug 25, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m a bigger advocate of the “Rybrent Fitzbrohmwards” moniker.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Aug 25, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

nice name

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 25, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. When I joined this blog, I just decided that was the only reaction I had to the Bills when I would watch them or hear about them. Just a complete lack of comprehension as to their logic. I’m still befuddled, but I feel a little better about my befuddlement these days.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Aug 25, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

it doesn't help

that the team has to play more away games than any other. You can’t tell me Toronto treats them the same.

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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Aug 24, 2010 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Shouldn't "Eh"....

have an exclamation mark, instead of a question???

Canadianbillsfan? where are you Help us with our interpretation of the Canuck language please!!!

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by Cinga on Aug 24, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I beleive you are correct.

I got nothing.

by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 24, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People...

I really like Chan Gailey. The more I see him in action, the more I respect the man. If the Bills don’t find success with him at the helm, it won’t be for lack of “hard work and discipline.” But a coach with those things and class is really a tremendous bonus.

I also appreciate that he expects to win. After these last ten years, I don’t expect to win, I hope to win. This season, I’ll settle for competitive. But Gailey really seems to have an edge to him that Jauron never had.

I don’t mean to come across as overly optimistic about the immediate future — because I’m not — but I am excited about the Bills over the next several years.

by Luther6 on Aug 24, 2010 2:58 PM EDT reply actions   3 recs

Rec'd
Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…

by Montel on Aug 24, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

new potential sig for someone...
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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm all over it

Credit, where credits due of course… Props to Luther6 !!

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by Montel on Aug 24, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked my variant better.

Although when I first wrote it over ten years ago, it was about baseball.

“Any idiot can root for the Cowboys. It takes a real fan of the game of football to root for the Bills”

(The original substituted “Cowboys” with “Yankees” and “Bills” with “Expos”)

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by Calvert on Aug 24, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

make that a bumper sticker

FAN Tastic

“Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People”

my nomination for slogan of the year 2010

any seconds??

by simonpure on Aug 24, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still like the idea in my sig from last year.

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by thefourwinds on Aug 24, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Jauronless in 2010”

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 24, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Non story

This is a non story. He talked to a bunch of teenagers. is he thin skinned, or just being a father figure?

One thing I can tell you, Chan has coached at some places with weak fan bases (GT, Miami). If he coached at a real school (say Clemson, Bama, etc..), he would have heard far worse than he did at GT with his mediocre records. I hope (and expect) Bills fans to boo this team if they play poorly again. As a boy I remember we booed Ralph during halftime of a Cowboys/Bills game when the team was winless in 1984 or 85, and I’d like to think it finally woke him up and he paid Jimbo, hired Marv, and so on.

by BillinNC on Aug 24, 2010 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Again, you’re not grasping the difference between “boo” and “heckle.”

by Brian Galliford on Aug 24, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, the booing had nothing to do with the amazing drafts they had throughout the mid/late 1980’s, which was the actual reason they got better.

by Dr. Brackish Okun on Aug 24, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

right – no one remembers (yes, hyperbole) how crappy the 80’s teams were before we drafted Bruce and Jim etc…

I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....

by J2 on Aug 24, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember

‘84 and ’85, ugh, This team feels like ’86, minus a Kelly!! Chan is the man too!! I wouldn’t want to play poker against him, he seems like he’d fleece ya!! In a," you thought I was bad, Newsflash, I’ll hide how good I am" way!!

That was not a laterall!!!

by brendar of the bills people on Aug 24, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mid eighties were TOUGH. Real tough and it’s amazing I chose to stick with them at that point.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 24, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not amazing at all

It is something that comes from with in. It will never leave you and will only make you a better person in the future.

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by VanScottM on Aug 24, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

80s

We got better because of drafting, but also because Ralph signed Kelly, and because he was willing to let Polian and Levy run the team and spend some $$. of course, he ran Polian off eventually, and the rest is history.

by BillinNC on Aug 24, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

but my point was that booing doesn’t make a team any better.

by Dr. Brackish Okun on Aug 25, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

And if you see video, he didn’t “talk to them”. He gave them the business.
http://ht.ly/2ufWw

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 24, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s on thing to criticize a person when they are performing, but practice is their opportunity to work on improving. I think the players deserve a practice that is free of personal attacks. They all know and expect vulgar behavior and language at the games, but practice should be a safe haven for the players.

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by Montel on Aug 24, 2010 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Awesome by Gailey and just as awesome response by Edwards

Blame where you must, be candid where you can, And be each critic the Good-natured Man. - Oliver Goldsmith (Excellent advice)

Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!

by Dyl on Aug 24, 2010 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

In other news, Chan Gailey yelled at some kids cutting through his yard.

Formerly of thatguy34 fame.

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by Jon Harrington on Aug 24, 2010 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Let's face it.....

I used to have Bills season tickets and there are a lot of fans that attend Bills games who embarass me. Let’s just say that most pass out in the second quarter and remember their last shot of Jim Beam, rather than the game.

If Bills fans keep this up, they might have to holler pretty loudly to reach the teams new facilities and location in Los Angeles or San Antonio!

by BuffaloWhiner on Aug 24, 2010 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

.

Let’s just say that most pass out in the second quarter.

Lightweights! Have some respect for yourself and at least make it to the third quarter.

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by Montel on Aug 24, 2010 4:42 PM EDT reply actions  

By my personal estimation, the amount of attention this story has received from the “fanbase” and the amount of defending some of these fans have done of the hecklers tells me that there are a number of people who took offense to Gailey’s “Bite me” approach to dealing with hecklers. Its ironic that these people have such thin skin when they spend all their time hating on Trent/Maybin/Roscoe/etc. Its also amusing that people criticize TRENt for this, for some reason, when he went out of his way to say basically “yeah, I criticize my teams atheletes when they do poorly, so I expect to hear it too, and its ok”. Lots of pick and choose whining, lots of hypocrasy.

This is the Buffalo Bills, chumps. Ride or Die.

by Wien on Aug 24, 2010 5:38 PM EDT reply actions  

.

This is the Buffalo Bills, chumps. Ride or Die.

Some get on the wagons when they’re lining up for the drive, some wait until their circled. Either way your onboard until it’s over, why walk when you can ride?

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by Montel on Aug 24, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you’ve been paying attention long enough, you’d realize it’s not just “Chan’s bite me approach”…it’s an organizational problem with showing contempt for the fan base (a fan base than any other deserves no such scorn). from Donahoe ripping the fans on the radio and suppressing freedom of speech at the stadium, to a 4th year of Jauron fans be damned, a 4th year of Edwards fans be damned, to Nix expressing contempt for fans who follow the draft, to McGahee in Penthouse, to Gailey…this team loses and loses and wants no dissatisfaction in return. Even if you’re the biggest homer out there, you have to admit, public relations is hardly OBD’s strong suit.

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by Port Royal on Aug 24, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can

Understand peoples’ frustrations w/the Bills the last decade, but this is Chan and Nix first year here!! They’ve inherited a team that was directionless the last few years in the coaching department and teaching players how to win!! Do you think DJ would have called them out?? My guess is no, probably not!! He seemed to avoid confrontation like a hemophiliac avoids sharp objects!! Anyways, I’m excited about the season more and more each day!! But, again, I understand the frustration!! Lets go Buffalo!!!

That was not a laterall!!!

by brendar of the bills people on Aug 24, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are running a business, not trying to please fans. If you think that Willis McGahee is the right draft pick you take him regardless of what the fans think. Why is “fans be damned” a bad thing?

Even if you’re the biggest homer out there, you have to admit, public relations is hardly OBD’s strong suit.

Right. But the team didn’t kick out the hecklers. They let them heckle.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 24, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the business lesson

I’ll be sure to bring up MRW of the Bills’ blog’s thesis that pleasing customers is not in anyway relevant in running a business to my professor on Wednesday. Textbooks are overrated anyway.

I’m sorry, i just don’t understand your unconditionally love and accept them or leave them attitude with this franchise and I never will. Buffalo’s contempt for their fans goes far deeper than this one incident or singular disagreements over personnel between the fan base and the paid decision makers. At this point, my support for this team is based more on support for this beleaguered fan base than the players, coaches, or team logo. I take incidents like yesterday’s personally. While I agree that in the grand scheme of things it wasn’t a major issue, it’s a pattern of contemptuous behavior from this since Tom Donahoe was hired that leaves me sore. If Gailey thinks the best way to rally the troops is to pit the team against the fans, I’m betting it will backfire. Just one opinion.

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by Port Royal on Aug 25, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, I can totally see your point about a series of events that have left a bad taste in the mouth of fans, but I don’t get how this fits in. These “fans” were a bunch of chicken-&^%# hooligans. They weren’t even kicked out. They were just told the players aren’t going to sign autographs for you. Good for the coach for holding some standards.

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by thefourwinds on Aug 25, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll be sure to bring up MRW of the Bills’ blog’s thesis that pleasing customers is not in anyway relevant in running a business to my professor on Wednesday.

But you’d be ignoring the main point in that winning games is what matters. These minuscule decisions don’t. The Bills please customers by winning. If they think that’s giving Dick Jauron or Trent Edwards a fourth year, so be it. Long term pleasing the fans is not what you are talking about above when you said they were showing contempt for the fan base.

I’m sorry, i just don’t understand your unconditionally love and accept them or leave them attitude with this franchise and I never will.

Boy I certainly never said that nor alluded to it.

Buffalo’s contempt for their fans goes far deeper than this one incident or singular disagreements over personnel between the fan base and the paid decision makers.

Really? How? Because they jack up prices to get more money all the time? I mean you can complain about personnel moves but I don’t see how that shows contempt for the fan base.

While I agree that in the grand scheme of things it wasn’t a major issue, it’s a pattern of contemptuous behavior from this since Tom Donahoe was hired that leaves me sore.

And I choose not to hold against Gailey what a guy more than five year ago said or did. I wouldn’t want something my predecessor at work did to affect your view of me.


If Gailey thinks the best way to rally the troops is to pit the team against the fans, I’m betting it will backfire.

He was pitting the team against negativity. That works all the time. Coaches all over the place use “It’s us against the world.”

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 25, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gailey Incident

It was reported to be kids using foul language and several fans were pleased when Gailey stepped up and said something. Why is that disrespecting the fan base?

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by buffalobacker on Aug 25, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

You outed yourself...

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 25, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

it’s an organizational problem with showing contempt for the fan base

If you saw THIS as contempt to the fan BASE – as in ALL of us – then I don’t know how to help you.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 25, 2010 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

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by Jon Harrington on Aug 25, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brian, it’s a snowball effect with the behavior of OBD. Sorry to harp on this minor issue, but I disagreed with 95% of what was written in defense of Gailey in this thread. I’ll move on and thanks for the coverage.

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by Port Royal on Aug 25, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hecklers

What this is about is respect for people. Back in the day, if you wanted to smart mouth someone you had better pack the ass to back it up. No matter what age you were. Other wise you might face a confrontation. Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time. Good on ya, Chan.

by frcorny on Aug 24, 2010 6:05 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I can tell you're old school...

by this line:

you had better pack the ass to back it up.

I dont know what that even means, but I like it.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 24, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

i wish i could rec this about ten thousand times. Thank you for saying this.

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by poz on Aug 24, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the “hecklers” were disrupting practice and/or making things uncomfortable for the fans around them, security should have had them removed quietly. As it unfolded instead, I see images of Tom Donahoe having all the negative signs confiscated on Saturday night against Denver.

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by Port Royal on Aug 24, 2010 6:22 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

“Security” is mainly retirees and kids on summer break. They’re not real interested in true conflict. The ones at the crosswalk where players return to the dorms are the most strict.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 24, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

“True conflict” would have called for the police. I don’t get the sense that what occurred was on the brink of a riot. Trent Edwards’ feelings got hurt and the Big Bad, entitled Bills lashed out at their fans again…that’s how the story looks to me.

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by Port Royal on Aug 24, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

When is it ever justified that a person has to be subjected to others neg. rants an verbal attacks? I’d trust in Chan’s intelligence and assume he handled it appropriately, non- issue, football please…

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by buffalobacker on Aug 24, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please

Gailey made it an issue when he lashed out his team’s fans. That’s why a non-issue is on the front page of all the media outlets- because Gailey made it into one. Strike two, Chan; football from now on please.

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by Port Royal on Aug 24, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Respectfully, Port Royal, that’s not at all how I see it. (BTW, what was your ‘strike one,’ anyway?)

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by Undee on Aug 24, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

O.K.

With all due respect, you didn’t address my question. In response to your “Gailey made it a issue” I believe the press did that by publishing it. It sounds like some outa control kids were admonished by a adult, why so upset?

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by buffalobacker on Aug 24, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

You would rather they be kicked out than told off?

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 24, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

I don’t care they were told off….just doubt it taught them a lesson.

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by Joe P. on Aug 24, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

They were singled out...

if they are decent human beings, they will remember it. If not, nothing will change them anyway and at least they dont have an autograph.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 25, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

From the reports, it seemed like they shut their yaps pretty quick after he came over. Hopefully, they were chowing on some humble pie.

by Dr. Brackish Okun on Aug 25, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was reading this post while watching the news in Vegas and lo and behold they showed Chan chewing out the fans. It went nation wide guys and for me I thrive on any air time Buffalo gets. BTW I’ve been checking this site out almost daily for close to 10 years now and cant thank Brian and all you contributors enough!! Keep up the good work guys…GO BILLS

by DiehardBuffalo on Aug 24, 2010 9:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Question

How did it go over with you? Chan outa line or what?

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by buffalobacker on Aug 24, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s amazing that you’ve been checking it for ten years when it’s only 3 years old. :-) Thanks for reading, though.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 24, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW I’ve been checking this site out almost daily for close to 10 years now

LOL – no, no you haven’t. 10 years ago, I was 14.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 25, 2010 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now to be fair...

He is in Vegas… So he really might think its been 10 years :-p

Where else would you rather be?

by bflo on Aug 25, 2010 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hes a little confused...

they dont allow clocks in Vegas, so time is relevent. And if your a Bills fan, 4 years can seem like 10.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 25, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt.

Where else would you rather be?

by bflo on Aug 25, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d say we have somthing special in the Chanman. I havent seen that much passion from a coach since Marv. THIS HAPPENED IN PRACTICE FOR CRIPES SAKES! Passion, Offencesive minded coach…..who knows

by DiehardBuffalo on Aug 24, 2010 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

agreed

Finally a pulse!

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by buffalobacker on Aug 24, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it was so bad,

why not have the fans who crossed the line removed? To me, this just hurt those people who happened to be near them and I doubt it taught them a lesson.

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by Joe P. on Aug 24, 2010 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think this was about teaching the fans a lesson it was about showing the players that they are a team, not individual players. One for all and all for one sort of thing.

by clownfat on Aug 24, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

who the hell wants Edward's autograph anyway?

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by Patssuck456 on Aug 24, 2010 10:48 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

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by buffalobacker on Aug 25, 2010 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

They didn’t… but they also didn’t get anyone elses… That was the point.

I got nothing.

by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 25, 2010 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I might! after this year i might not. Everyone please dont forget about the skins qb that beet us in the superbowl. I want to say Mark Brunnel but not sure..anyways he was a world beeter that day and just a tad above average during the season. Wake up open your eyes anything can happen

by DiehardBuffalo on Aug 24, 2010 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

It was Mark Rypien. And actually, that whole season he was amazing. It was the rest of his career that stunk.

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by thefourwinds on Aug 25, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hostetler… there was a bad QB to beat us.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 25, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Grrr…

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by thefourwinds on Aug 25, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where’s the parents in all of this?

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by Undee on Aug 25, 2010 2:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Exactly!

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by buffalobacker on Aug 25, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you kidding me? Cromartie sends 2 of his kids over to every NFL team to heckle their QB at practice.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Aug 25, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

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