Updated Bills Final Roster Prediction
Back on the eve of the start of 2010 Bills training camp, I posted a pre-camp final roster prediction that, unsurprisingly, has taken several massive hits as the players hit (and in some cases left) the field. Here's a recap of the good and the bad from that prediction, along with an update as we prepare for the second half of the preseason.
Injured players that have hurt the prediction: Marcus Easley, Ed Wang, Michael Matthews, Derek Schouman, Danny Batten. Easley, Matthews and Batten are all on Injured Reserve. Schouman is out 3-6 weeks with a knee injury, while Wang is recovering from thumb surgery. Both are still possibilities for the final roster, but they've got an uphill climb if they don't get back on the field soon.
Straight up bad calls: I stand by my logic, but have a feeling that picking Ryan Fitzpatrick over Brian Brohm as the backup quarterback will backfire on me. I sang Jonathan Stupar's praises all spring, but wimped out and kept him off the roster. I take comfort in the fact that I'm not the only fan that completely misread Chris Ellis, who could be a starter in this defense; I didn't have him on the final roster. Keeping Lonnie Harvey and Cary Harris looks woefully misguided. Listing Aaron Maybin and Shawn Nelson as starters was jumping the gun a touch, as well.
A good call or two: I had Chad Jackson on the team over James Hardy, which is looking good. Listing Steve Johnson and Drayton Florence as starters has held up surprisingly well.
Updated predictions after the jump.
| # | Name | Pos. | College |
| 5 | Trent Edwards |
QB | Stanford |
| 4 | Brian Brohm |
QB | Louisville |
| 10 | Levi Brown |
QB | Troy |
| 22 | Fred Jackson |
RB | Coe College |
| 23 | Marshawn Lynch |
RB | California |
| 21 | C.J. Spiller |
RB | Clemson |
| 35 | Joique Bell |
RB | Wayne State |
| 38 | Corey McIntyre |
FB | West Virginia |
| 83 | Lee Evans |
WR | Wisconsin |
| 13 | Steve Johnson |
WR | Kentucky |
| 11 | Roscoe Parrish |
WR | Miami (FL) |
| 86 | David Nelson |
WR | Florida |
| 17 | Chad Jackson |
WR | Florida |
| 88 | Jonathan Stupar |
TE | Virginia |
| 82 | J.P. Foschi |
TE | Georgia Tech |
| 77 | Demetrius Bell |
OL | Northwestern State |
| 74 | Cornell Green |
OL | Central Florida |
| 69 | Jamon Meredith |
OL | South Carolina |
| 73 | Kirk Chambers |
OL | Stanford |
| 71 | Ed Wang |
OL | Virginia Tech |
| 70 | Eric Wood |
OL | Louisville |
| 67 | Andy Levitre |
OL | Oregon State |
| 63 | Geoff Hangartner |
OL | Texas A&M |
| 68 | Cordaro Howard |
OL | Georgia Tech |
| 99 | Marcus Stroud |
DL | Georgia |
| 98 | Dwan Edwards |
DL | Oregon State |
| 92 | Alex Carrington |
DL | Arkansas State |
| 91 | Spencer Johnson |
DL | Auburn |
| 95 | Kyle Williams |
DL | LSU |
| 96 | Torell Troup |
DL | Central Florida |
| 90 | Chris Kelsay |
LB | Nebraska |
| 93 | Chris Ellis |
LB | Virginia Tech |
| 54 | Andra Davis |
LB | Florida |
| 55 | Kawika Mitchell |
LB | South Florida |
| 51 | Paul Posluszny |
LB | Penn State |
| 56 | Keith Ellison |
LB | Oregon State |
| 45 | Arthur Moats |
LB | James Madison |
| 53 | Reggie Torbor |
LB | Auburn |
| 58 | Aaron Maybin |
LB | Penn State |
| 59 | Antonio Coleman |
LB | Auburn |
| 24 | Terrence McGee |
DB | Northwestern State |
| 29 | Drayton Florence |
DB | Tuskegee |
| 28 | Leodis McKelvin |
DB | Troy |
| 27 | Reggie Corner |
DB | Akron |
| 26 | Ashton Youboty |
DB | Ohio State |
| 25 | Ellis Lankster |
DB | West Virginia |
| 31 | Jairus Byrd |
DB | Oregon |
| 37 | George Wilson |
DB | Arkansas |
| 20 | Donte Whitner |
DB | Ohio State |
| 43 | Bryan Scott |
DB | Penn State |
| 9 | Rian Lindell |
K | Washington State |
| 8 | Brian Moorman | P | Pittsburg State |
| 65 | Garrison Sanborn | LS | Florida State |
If you'd rather see that in depth chart form... well, here you are.
| Pos. | # | Starter | # | Backup | # | Reserve |
| WR | 13 | Steve Johnson | 11 | Roscoe Parrish |
86 | David Nelson |
| LT | 77 | Demetrius Bell | 69 | Jamon Meredith | 71 | Ed Wang |
| LG | 67 | Andy Levitre | ||||
| C | 63 | Geoff Hangartner | ||||
| RG | 70 | Eric Wood | 68 | Cordaro Howard |
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| RT | 74 | Cornell Green | 73 | Kirk Chambers | ||
| TE | 88 | Jonathan Stupar |
82 | J.P. Foschi |
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| WR | 83 | Lee Evans | 17 | Chad Jackson |
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| QB | 5 | Trent Edwards | 4 | Brian Brohm |
10 | Levi Brown |
| RB | 22 | Fred Jackson | 23 | Marshawn Lynch |
21 | C.J. Spiller |
| FB | 38 | Corey McIntyre | 35 | Joique Bell | ||
| LE | 99 | Marcus Stroud | 92 | Alex Carrington | ||
| NT | 95 | Kyle Williams | 96 | Torell Troup | ||
| RE | 98 | Dwan Edwards | 91 | Spencer Johnson | ||
| LOLB | 90 | Chris Kelsay | 93 | Chris Ellis |
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| LILB | 51 | Paul Posluszny | 55 | Kawika Mitchell | ||
| RILB | 54 | Andra Davis | 56 | Keith Ellison |
45 | Arthur Moats |
| ROLB | 53 | Reggie Torbor |
58 | Aaron Maybin |
59 | Antonio Coleman |
| LCB | 24 | Terrence McGee | 27 | Reggie Corner | 26 | Ashton Youboty |
| SS | 20 | Donte Whitner | 43 | Bryan Scott | ||
| FS | 31 | Jairus Byrd | 37 | George Wilson | ||
| RCB | 29 | Drayton Florence | 28 | Leodis McKelvin | 25 | Ellis Lankster |
| K | 9 | Rian Lindell | ||||
| P | 8 | Brian Moorman | ||||
| LS | 65 | Garrison Sanborn |
Agreements? Disagreements? Predictions of your own? The comments section is all yours, folks.
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Fitz and Hardy get the axe
Hate to see someone lose their job, but there’s always Oakland..
"This is what happens Larry!, This is what happens! "-Walter Sobchak" "Did we give up when the germans bombed pearl harbor!!??"-John Belushi
by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Aug 27, 2010 9:06 AM EDT reply actions
Brohm
I’m warming up to the idea of keeping Brohm over Fitzpatrick. Fitz is who he is. The potential with Brohm may be greater, and with Brown developing, I like the trio. However, Fitz is a really good backup who when he does fill in, can win you one or two games. If I thought we could win 9-11 games, I think I’d keep Fitz bc when Trent goes down for 1 game or more Id take Fitz over Brohm. But being chances of us being a 9-11 win team aren’t high, keeping a guy like Brohm, letting him develop more, is something that I can now buy into.
It’s a shame Batten and Easley will never see the field. I can’t remember the last time a rookie was hurt all year and then came back and made much of an impact. It’s a real tough way to start your career. Especially 2 guys at positions of need.
I still can’t believe our opening day TE’s are Stupar and Foschi!
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by MARVelous on Aug 27, 2010 9:09 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I’m warming up to the idea of keeping Brohm over Fitzpatrick. Fitz is who he is.
Fitz remind’s me so much of Cade McNown, no wonder Jauron liked him, he throws groundballs.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I woud be glad to see Moats make the cut
A lot of people that don’t follow the Bills know about this guy. Like he was the biggest steal of the draft or something.
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Aug 27, 2010 9:11 AM EDT reply actions
Was it a coin flip between McCargo and Johnson? or McCargo’s inconsistency?
I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....
Similar talents, Johnson’s contract.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
But if you’re going to get the same out of them, wouldn’t you rather have the player that is cheaper?
There isn’t any cost to cut somebody, unless I’m missing something.
No, you take the guy that’s a) a good player, b) has a contract, and c) can reasonably be expected to fill the majority of that contract. That’s how Doug Whaley explained himself, so if they can get production out of what they’ve paid for, they will.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Another thing to wonder about McCargo
Why the sudden hunger on the field?
Why did he wait to his final year of his rookie contract to start pushing guys back with consistency?
What is his motivation?
What is his motivation?
A new contract, duh.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
And then what? Back to being complacent of being under contract?
That was my point. Do you give a new contract to a guy that doesn’t care?
i din’t state we shoukd give him a new contract, just thAT IT HIS MOTIVATION
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
Motivation is a tricky beast. Being pro athletes and competing for a position should be motivation enough. Throwin $$$ at players not so much. Threats usually work the best!:)
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by buffalobacker on Aug 27, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on guys...
Seriously, the dude is trying to keep his NFL dream alive. If he gets cut, he will struggle to even find a team to give him another chance. Do you really think that McCargo believes that if he plays well this year he’’ll be in line for some mega-deal? I think that notion is ridiculous. He is playing for his livlihood, which is a damn good motivator. I would keep McCargo over S. Johnson and R. Corner (who hasn’t shown me anything at all this year except that he is lost right now).
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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 27, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
Cordaro Howard I don’t think makes the team. Meredith is the swing tackle, Chambers is the swing guard, Wood backs up Center. The Bills won’t keep 9 O-lineman I would not believe, so if Wang is a lock due to the draft selection, Howard might be SOL.
Keith Ellison is not a fit at ILB in this scheme. Yes, he’s a better cover LB than anyone else, but Bryan Scott is the Nickel LB and he is a lock for the team.
The Bills will keep more than 2 TE’s though. They want to run the ball and the multiple TE sets are important. Two isn’t enough. If Donald Lee doesn’t make the team in Greenbay I could see a push for him.
The Bills could keep McCargo or Lonnie Harvey in this scenario. McCargo because I think he has outplayed Johnson and deserves the spot, and Harvey if they choose to hold 3-4 assets.
by Bill from LI on Aug 27, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Wang is also hurt. That’s why I have Howard on the roster.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Shawn Nelson is still on the team
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I hear the coverage linebacker argument for Ellison all the time, and I immediately think back to him getting burned by Ben Watson in the MNF opener last year. He may be better than most in coverage, but his experience lies solely in the Cover 2 and I’m sure the new zone assignments are different. Maybe he can pick them up, maybe not, but I’d just rather have Scott on the field in his stead in literally every convceivable scenario. I say he gets cut.
Enjoying my annual three months of optimism.
I didn’t keep Ellison as the nickel LB, though.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, you kept him for depth and i’m guessing ST – I was just replying to Bill from LI’s statement about his coverage abilities. But for the sake of splitting up my arguments, no, I do not agree with the notion that he’s a good coverage LB. And no, I don’t think he can succeed in our base defense and will subsequently be cut. Although thinking about our stuggles on special teams, i’m starting to think he could really help those units.
Enjoying my annual three months of optimism.
But… but… but… he was supposed to have help over the top.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 27, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Howard is better than Chambers…right now.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 27, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Cordaro makes the cut, Cordaro sucks, even though he may know the Chan way, he is not ready for NFL primetime.
I think McIntyre could be on the bubble too, so Joique Bell can be kept. I can’t see the Bills keeping 5 RBs, letting McIntyre go, they can use a combination of Marshawn and Blocking TE at FB when they need one for gameplans.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 9:14 AM EDT reply actions
They’ve got to keep at least 8 offensive linemen. Who stays ahead of him, considering Wang is still hurt?
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
You are probaly right.
Which is just a testament as to how little the Bills value a solid OL, Cordaro shouldn’t sniff being on a NFL roster to start the season, he has been pathetic in preseason against SCRUBS.
Jammal Brown was available, so was charles brown in the 2nd, we are going nowhere until the front office finally realizes we need to get some talent in the trenches, they started the effort last year with wood and levitre (too little to late for Jauron), I don’t believe in wang at this point (Has the physical traits, needs a whole lot more technique), a couple decent bookends and we can fix this thing, but this team is just not willing to invest in a quality OL. The 2009 jets are a lesson in how far you can go with quality players in the trenches, I think Trent is a better QB than sanchez at this point, but they had one heck of an OL last year and they will pay for letting Faneca go, go I wish we would have offered him a mil more than what he got. Not the best pass blocker, but a heckuva run blocker.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also, they’re not keeping 5 RBs, they’re keeping 4 and a FB – and that’s just until Nelson gets off Reserve/Suspended, in which they’d probably cut Joique.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
usually
you keep 3 rbs and a fb
i will be surprised if the keep 5 rbs’s rb and fb combined. 4 is the usual number
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand that, but to start the season, with Nelson suspended and a lack of quality at WR, I don’t see why they wouldn’t keep that fourth player if he’s the best player available. Who would you keep instead? 23 offensive players is a low number.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Does a suspended player count against the 53? Can you keep 53 plus the suspended player until he is off suspension?
He doesn’t count against the active roster until October 4.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I would probably keep McCargo, he is showing signs of life, perhaps the 3-4 is what makes him turn around. He sure sucked in the past, but has looked better this year. I think the 3-4 change will have the most growing pains, so that is the place to stock players who have been playing well in it. I know 23 is a low number for offense, chan is an offensive minded coach who can make decent results with spare parts (see pittsburgh resume), the real place they need to stockpile is on D.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
McCargo would have a tough time getting onto the field as a specialist, let alone defensively. I like the way he’s been playing just fine, but he’s still a longshot.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Big John certainly wont be in the rotation with the DE’s… and hes useless on special teams… I would have a hard time finding a spot for him outside of a goal line situation.
Where else would you rather be?
for me – he’s just more talented than some of the guys. He’s inconsistent – but he has great tools and if Edwards can be more motivational to him then his game might pick up
I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....
by J2 on Aug 27, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
he’s just more talented than some of the guys.
More talented than another DE on this team? Or more talented than the 53rd man on our roster?
Where else would you rather be?
53 man roster.
but he’s probably got more talent than Spencer Johnson. Carrington is an unknown at this point. but I meant 53 man roster
I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....
by J2 on Aug 27, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
i see him as depth
he’s been playing well, i think chan will do fine with the o, even with the substandard line since he seems to understand when to call a max protect play action pass which has been lacking for more than 10 years, it’s the d i’m worried about. They haven’t looked that sharp yet. I remember your why the bills could be a top 5 defense article, after the first game i thought you could write why the bills might be a bottom 5 defens.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
To add.
Something I have never said here but will now.
To me defense is about read and react, the best defense is having phyisical specimens, the only strategy on D is diguising blitzes and coverage.
On offense it is confuse and distract, strategy is much more important on offense, You can take substandard players and do well with a good strategy, see chan gailey, kordell stewart, tyler thigpen.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
You can take substandard players and do well with a good strategy
add in Jay Fiedler
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
To me defense is about read and react, the best defense is having phyisical specimens, the only strategy on D is diguising blitzes and coverage.
I agree to an extent, you kinda touched on the absolute bare minimum with this statement but Defense is about Playmaking ability, scheming, strength, speed, recovery, containment, discipline.
Its more difficult to be a good defense, as oppose to a good offense because the rules favour offense thats why the best offense will always beat the best defense.
You dont need specimens to be a solid defense you need smart players that play thier position and hold down there responsability, without that your defense will go out the door. i agree you have a couple freaks in the league that are amazing based specifically on pyshical attributes but the best defensive players are smart, carful, accurate in every decison they make.
With all this being said McCargo gets the nod over Johnson because hes has more of chance of playing ST.
"Big Gulps Eh, Well See ya later" - Lloyd Christmas
" You Gus ready To Let The Dogs Out" "What?" " you Know, Who Let the dogs out rough rough rogh rough" - Zack Galifinakis - The Hangover
by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 27, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
my point was
offense requires strategy,
defense requires read and react, which is physical skills.
i stand by what i say.
You need superior physical specimens on defense than you need on O to succeed.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
You need superior physical specimens on defense than you need on O to succeed.
You need just as many physical specimens on O as you do on D
Look at top noth LT’s those guys are the Biggest specimens of everyone, someone who is 6’4, 6’5 over 300 and can run the 40 in under 5, plus move around in a phone booth that takes superior talent and what about big recievers that can jump out of the gym, run fast and block specimens what about Running Backs so strong they can knock a 300 pounder over running full speed or cutback on a dime, or stop and go like they never stopped running, these are ridiculous athletes.
You see the odd one on defense like Julius Peppers, or a Dwight Freeney, or a Vince Wilfork and I say Wilfork because he is unusually fast for someone his size these guys are specimens but you dont need them to be an effective defense you can have Holti Ngata in the middle of a 3-4 and be just as good. Im a defensive guy think that great football is all about defense but you dont need specimens to be a good defense
"Big Gulps Eh, Well See ya later" - Lloyd Christmas
" You Gus ready To Let The Dogs Out" "What?" " you Know, Who Let the dogs out rough rough rogh rough" - Zack Galifinakis - The Hangover
by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 27, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
No you don't
You need just as many physical specimens on O as you do on D
You can kill a top notch pass rush with a well called play action pass.
You can kill a top notch run defense with some well called misdirection.
Timing is everything.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
You can kill a top notch pass rush with a well called play action pass.
Until it gets blown up
You can kill a top notch run defense with some well called misdirection.
No you cant thats why they are a top notch run D because they dont over react
Timing is everything.
I agree completly but timing is for every situation a timely blitz is key, a timely draw is awesome, a timely screen can go for 60 yds. its about play calling, and discipline
"Big Gulps Eh, Well See ya later" - Lloyd Christmas
" You Gus ready To Let The Dogs Out" "What?" " you Know, Who Let the dogs out rough rough rogh rough" - Zack Galifinakis - The Hangover
by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 27, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
You can kill a top notch pass rush with a well called play action pass.
You can kill a top notch run defense with some well called misdirection.
Timing is everything.
The 2000 Ravens D wants to talk to you.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
You see the odd one on defense like Julius Peppers, or a Dwight Freeney, or a Vince Wilfork and I say Wilfork because he is unusually fast for someone his size these guys are specimens but you dont need them to be an effective defense you can have Holti Ngata in the middle of a 3-4 and be just as good. Im a defensive guy think that great football is all about defense but you dont need specimens to be a good defense
I have watched Julius Peppers become a non factor sue to play action, if you kno when to call a play action pass, you can just kill the pass rush, i have seen it time and time again.
If you are playing a fast overpersuing defense, you can kill it with misdirection, I have seen it time and time again, Jauron’s bills D were the biggest suckers for misdirection, and never made adjustments, and finished near the bottom of the league in run D while he was here/
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Our Defense got burned on misdirections
Because we played a Tampa 2, where our corners are close to the Oline and if an O lineman gets his hands on a DB your defense is done your second level will get erased so we over pursued to eat up blockers to free up our DBs to make tackles and then you get caught becase you have no one on the weakside,
The 3-4 preaches discipline, preaches weakside contain, your De’s are asked to eat up blockers as oppose to getting into the backfield, the 3-4 is such a superior defense if it is played right its not even funny, your corners are asked to get by recievers as oppose to taking on FB’s and Olineman your MLB is freed up to essentially chase the ball you will see such a difference on how this team, plays defense its almost unexplainable
"Big Gulps Eh, Well See ya later" - Lloyd Christmas
" You Gus ready To Let The Dogs Out" "What?" " you Know, Who Let the dogs out rough rough rogh rough" - Zack Galifinakis - The Hangover
by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 27, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Misdirection
It had nothing to do with OL blocking CB’s, most of the problem was LBs over persueing from the misdirection after they got burnt on a couple power runs,
cover 2 flow to the ball leads to misdirection plays working, Anyone who knows anything about O knows that.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Corners and Ends are asked for weakside contain in a Tampa 2
Not LB’s, when you run a misdirection everyone leaks to one side except the tackle from the weak side hold his block for 2 secs then releases and gets downfield and takes on the second level
If your defense has ends that over pursue in a Tampa 2 (which Chris Kelsay is notorious for) your left with a corner protecting your weakside which in turn leads to an olineman taking on a corner at the second level anyone who knows how to run a misdirection knows that
"Big Gulps Eh, Well See ya later" - Lloyd Christmas
" You Gus ready To Let The Dogs Out" "What?" " you Know, Who Let the dogs out rough rough rogh rough" - Zack Galifinakis - The Hangover
by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 27, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
which Chris Kelsay is notorious for
yes he is, do you agree Kurupt?
I get outside contain, but the olb blew their containment too especially on the weakside last year., i saw some misdirection off tackle runs that were specifically the olb’s responsability once the end turned them inside and they whiffed because the bit on the inside fake hand off.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
With all this being said McCargo gets the nod over Johnson because hes has more of chance of playing ST
Steve Johnson is making this roster, i guarantee it.
McCargo gets the nod over McIntyre.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Marshawn-te can fill the bill.
Chris Cooley anyone?
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
The trend in the NFL
is using TE’s as fullbacks
just sayin
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
But we only have 2 TE’s on the roster. One wont be used as a FB. There is no wy we go into week 1 with (2) TE’s and (0) FBs… too valuable to ST’s. And McIntyre is going to be used a little more this year in Chans offense I think.
Where else would you rather be?
Mcintyre has been used so much in chans offense
If im Corey Mcintyre im going into this season absolutley jacked because my role has been changed by about 100X.
This guy saw the field maybe 10 plays a game last year this year he will be on the field about 65% to 75% of the plays
"Big Gulps Eh, Well See ya later" - Lloyd Christmas
" You Gus ready To Let The Dogs Out" "What?" " you Know, Who Let the dogs out rough rough rogh rough" - Zack Galifinakis - The Hangover
by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 27, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
And he really only saw the ball under Fewell. I think Gailey likes McIntyre… and will use him accourdingly… of course this was before Joique Bell started running well… he might see some of Coreys touches if Bell ends up on the 53 man squad.
Where else would you rather be?
I dont think Bell can play FB
Mcintyre isnt going to get runs, he will be used to hide and disguise plays with motion and misdirection, he will help block in the pass block and will be used quite abit in the block – release – catch – sort oif like a screen but he will be held back because our Oline is not superior and then leak well Spiller gets let loose running all over the field with different routes, I guarantee you wil;l see Spiller catch a wheel route for a TD this year
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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 27, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
he will help block in the pass block and will be used quite abit in the block – release – catch
good luck with that, he doesn’t block even average in my opinion.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
If you want to see a real FB who knew how to block
see Sam Gash,
dude was a piledriver.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
No disagreement here
I loved Sam Gash, and im not saying i love Corey, he will just be used way more in CHans systems thats all im saying, i would love to have Dan Krieder, Polaka, even the retired Neal, Tony richardson, Jim Kleinsasser alot of other players other then Corey but Corey is our FB and we have to take what we got and use it.
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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 27, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
but Corey is our FB and we have to take what we got and use it
We have Marshawn, dude is a battering ram, he is like a Sam gash upgrade, bigger stronger faster, he is sam gash with the ability to rip off a long one, he needs a little work blocking, but he drags defenders with him. With fred and spiller, he should be our spot FB.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
And
we should start using the pro set formation with Marshawn at FB and fred or spiller at RB
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I really think youve gone overboard
We have Marshawn, dude is a battering ram, he is like a Sam gash upgrade, bigger stronger faster, he is sam gash with the ability to rip off a long one
A Fb is not asked to run the ball they are asked to get through the hole and take on the first person they see that plays for the other team, unless the coach has asked specifically to take on a certain player.
Marshawn is not bigger, nor is he stronger then Sam Gash faster yes but speed is not the first thing you look for in a FB
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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 27, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Marshawn is not bigger, nor is he stronger then Sam Gash faster
He is more powerful than Gash,
while marshawn isn’t my favorite player, i never stop being amazed by his ability to move a pile, he is top notch AAA in that department, that is why I think he would be excellent in spot FB duty.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
This guy saw the field maybe 10 plays a game last year this year he will be on the field about 65% to 75% of the plays
You really think so?
He can’t block worth a damn.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank you...
but he is a lock…we didn’t bring in anyone who was a true FB to compete with him. That truly disappointed me.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 27, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Hardy?
If Hardy has a big game before the season starts he stays.
by Bill from LI on Aug 27, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Why do they have to keep the usual number?
Can’t they just keep the best players?
~K
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About Shawn Nelson
Can he stay in the PUP list and consume the 4-weeks suspension at the same time? Or the suspension would apply after he joins the active roster? (assuming he is put in the PUP list, of course)
People say the glass is half full. But they don't say of what.
He’s not on PUP, and can’t be placed there.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
He’d need to get on the field to produce. That’s incredibly unlikely.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh, I’d be ticked off if they cut J. Bell.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 28, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
i dont think mcintyre should be cut… he is 250 + pounds and still occassionally contributes in passing… if we cut him we wont have anyone as strong to take on linebackers… joique bell is only 225 lbs… he cant be a fb
i dont think cord was as bad as people make him to be… after all he is in the online which is opening up lanes for bell to be the preseason leader in yds/ carry… plus he is up to speed on gailey’s system
by statcruncher on Aug 27, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh come on
Mike Alstott was a pro bowl “fullback” for years wink
Some day the Bills won't suck anymore. Or they'll be in someone else's city.
Jeez if GB ends up cutting their FB Kuhn… I wouldnt mind us bringing him in in favor of McIntyre… that kid can play.
And is it weird I really like our WR’s? I may be in the minority… but I can see them (the 5 you have listed), if QB has time, all stepping up and being better than expected.
Overall… Brian I think you nailed it with this updated roster. Except maybe TE. You think we only go into the season with only two TE’s on the roster? I would think George sticks just for a body… but then who do you let go? Tough call.
Where else would you rather be?
WR's
I don’t like our WR group much. So much unproven commodities. If Nelson could get his head on straight he is the key to making our passing game click. Seam routes, red Zone target, 3rd down guy….we need Nelson badly unless Stevie Johnson can prove to do that. I just don’t see too many of these guys getting good enough separation in the ~1.8 secs our OL gives Trent
"Show me the baby: - Buddy Nix
I think they can start the season using multi-WR sets, or 1TE/1FB sets, with Spiller as a receiver to offset the lack of bodies at TE. They’d be fine for four weeks barring an injury to Stupar/Foschi.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
multi-WR
by that you mean 3-4 WR and 1 RB sets? It will be interesting to see how Chan spreads the field. I mean I think on paper I look at Evans, Parrish, Jackson, Lynch and Spiller and think that if we spread out those guys we have plenty of talent. What Johnson, Jackson, Nelson, TE’s give us is up in the air. I’m excited to see what Chan can do
"Show me the baby: - Buddy Nix
What about the other kid they signed
You dont think the will keep him around?
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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 27, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
And a quick question regarding the depth chart.
Do you think Byrd and Torbor are going to go week 1? I really hope they both do, obviously… but if neither can go… It will be Wilson in for Byrd… but who starts for Torbor. I doubt it would be Maybin. So Ellis would be my next guess… would they start Kelsey and Ellis on the outside? Or do you think Mitchell moves outside in an emergency start situation?
Where else would you rather be?
I don’t think either will, but I hope I’m wrong. Wilson would replace Byrd, Ellis would replace Torbor. Maybin will play regardless.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks.
Ellis has a real chance to make something for himself here. I would have never thought he would be in this position… lets hope he can make the best of it. And what a wonder a sack would do for Maybin week 1… God that would be great.
Where else would you rather be?
Henne is sackable
As long as hes coiming from the right side and not going against Long, Long will laugh in the face of Maybin time in time out, I think Long gave up 2 or 3 sacks last year thats it.
Thats amazing and if there was ever a player that deserved to go 1st overall he is definatly the one
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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 27, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
As much as I hate to agree… because he is a Phin… You are correct. That is a player that you can love to have on your team. Hes like our Eric Wood… just an LT.
Where else would you rather be?
too bad
Thats amazing and if there was ever a player that deserved to go 1st overall he is definatly the one
We aren’t commited to building an oline that is quality on the bookends like tuna, we have a start at the guars, but castoffs at tackle, and i’m not sold on hang, since he had trouble snapping the ball in shotgun around the ankles in the 2nd half of the season, Bryan Bulaga could have been our Will Woolford +
If we ever get a quality OL, I will jump for Joy! I just think the FO doesn’t care about having a good one.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Well our G’s are pretty solid. Hangman is good enough, for right now… yea our OT’s are our weak spot… And Id love to have dominate tackles there… but we gotta work with what we got. Next year, hopefully, we dont have to take a QB in the first and we can get a big, bad LT next year.
Where else would you rather be?
We should have got Bulaga this year
Or Oher last year, look at the colts, get the tackle first, then the QB. A tackle usually takes 2 years to develop, so you get him first, then the QB.
Like Buddy said, you can’t evaluate a qb when he is always on his back, but Trent is gonna be on on his back, because Buddy didn’t lift a finger to upgrade the line, unless you think cornell green and ed wang are our saviour bookends.
We will probably win enough games to blow the locker lottery on top of that due to chan actually having a clue about o unlike the last regime.
ARRRRGGGGHHHHHH!
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Spiller was/is too tempting to pass on. Regardless of the line situation. I take Spiller at #9 10 out of 10 times.
Where else would you rather be?
i’m still sticking with Bulaga
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
And I think
in 2 years from now when we look back in retrospect i will be right again
just like Oher over maybin
and Ngata over whitner.
I was ok with marshawyn.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
wait till you see him play
then i would form an opinion
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
Added to the fact
Spiller makes any Oline look better then they are, football is also about haing a strong mental aspect and if Spiller can get these guys thinking they are top notch I bet they play top Notch, Look every player in the NFL is capable of being a star thats why they play in the NFL i admit there are some guys that just cant be topped(Peyton,Dan Marino, Barry Sanders among others) but these guys on the Oline just need a bit of confidence behind them so they can get past the i suck stage.
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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 27, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Spiller makes any Oline look better then they are,
very tru in the run game, not so much in the pass game, and if he gets planted by a 275lb linebacker where he tears an acl, my desire to draft Bulaga will ring even more true as the safer pick.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Com' on man!
and if he gets planted by a 275lb linebacker where he tears an acl, my desire to draft Bulaga will ring even more true as the safer pick
Sounds like you’re hoping for Spiller to get hurt to say “I told you so”. Get over it, we drafted Spiller, not Bulaga. Besides, he’s not as good as you think he is. Have you seen him play this year?
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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 27, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
10 LBs?
I say Hardy makes it as a 6th receiver in the same spirit that Aaron Maybin shouldn’t be considered to be cut. This roster is too lousy for the team to give up on high draft picks (especially players who lost a year to injury). Even if he’s a healthy scratch on Sundays to start the season, I think he makes it.
Wang on the final roster? I guess. Green Bay took Meredith in the 5th round last year and weren’t able to reserve him on their practice squad for very long.
i say Hardy over Coleman, McCargo over Ellison, and Cary Harris over Lankster (Lankster on the practice squad)….good call on the two TEs for four weeks. i see it unfolding that way as well.
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There’s just no way the team only keeps 8 linebackers. 9 is the bare minimum; Gailey has been very open about keeping numbers there for special teams purposes.
I’m open to the idea of Hardy being on the team to start the season, but he’d be one of the first to go if they had to make any moves. I don’t think Gailey likes his talent all that much.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
didn't gailey
and Nix state they love tall, big WR’s at some point this off-season? I wonder what Gailey’s prototype WR is? Not saying Hardy is that, cuz he has always been weak physically. Jackson provides the toughness I think to make catches in traffic with guys draped over him that Hardy never will be able to do
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Nelson
Nelson is 6’5, give him a year or two to put some mass on him, thats your prototype big WR.
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by silverstreak3k on Aug 27, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
agree
atleast he understands how to run routs
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Easley has the prototype WR sice they are looking for
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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 27, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
him too.
I just forget about him cuz he cant play this year. I think we have two talented but raw “big” receivers on this roster. I just hope they progress.
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by silverstreak3k on Aug 27, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I really wished that Hardy could've stuck around.....
…… the kid has had BAD luck. He could’ve really been a winner for us. I hope he gets a chance somewhere else. He probably will. I’m sitting here watching Super Bowl winning Jabarie Greer play cornerback for the Saints.
Jackson has the same physical attributes, acts and LOOKS like a pro WR on the field. It would not surprise me if he eventually gets on the field a lot when we get into 4 WR sets or when we get near the red zone and they pull Roscoe out.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Aug 27, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
ok
Maybe they keep Coleman (or preferably sign someone from an outside organization) if Torbor is still sort of hurt come September….as far as special teams go, I like several of Buffalo’s DBs and WRs for kick coverage just as much as the reserve LBs.
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I don’t think Gailey likes his talent all that much.
Maybe he doesn’t like it, because it’s non-existent?
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by Jon Harrington on Aug 27, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s not non-existent. All of Buffalo’s big receivers have a degree of quick to their game; Hardy’s the opposite of quick.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Well being tall is not a talent. He’s comparatively slow, runs poor routes, is consistently injured and can’t get off press coverage. I’d like to judge him on his pass catching skills, but since he can’t get open, it’s really hard to tell.
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by Jon Harrington on Aug 27, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Well being tall is not a talent
awww an here I thought I had a talent…..haha
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by silverstreak3k on Aug 27, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
But reaching the top shelf in the cupboard is a talent…don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. : )
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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 27, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope. He was active for 10 games.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 27, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I Really don’t like the play of Coleman. I see him being benched for the run stuff ability of McCargo. And I’m a Bit Harvey supporter. I’m sorry but Lankster is NOT ready for prime time.
ya – I have a hunch that McCargo sticks around
I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....
by J2 on Aug 27, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m sorry but Lankster is NOT ready for prime time
Lankster isn’t bad in zone coverages, he’s actually pretty good and will get his share of picks.
But he is not ready for man coverage in primetime.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
TO add
he is a zone DB, a nice reserve for a cover 2.
Just don’t ask him to cover man on man, it is not his strength.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
He's better than R. Corner
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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 27, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Corner is a liability. I can’t stand it.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Aug 27, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
not sure on PS
but batten and Easley I’m guessing might be healthy by end of season and they could occupy some PS spots later on.
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They’re on IR. Their season is done.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
overall i like it. 6 cbs seems a bit much tho
thats my only objection to this. unless lanksters a stud on special teams? which i havent really seen. to be honest id much rather lose the 6th cb when nelson comes back than have to see bell go out the door and wind up being a monster somewhere else
Lankster’s a pretty good punt gunner.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
gotta remember SP players!
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by silverstreak3k on Aug 27, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
and of course by SP players I mean
ST players…..
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by silverstreak3k on Aug 27, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
my only hope
is that there will be some “fill in the blanks” in the OL depth as upcoming personnel moves happen around the league. It’s still a head scratcher (IMHO) that CHIX can look at the OL personnel and be comfortable. Outside Wood and Levitre, I don’t share CHIX’s confidence especially when so much of the offensive success (Spiller, QB et al) depends so heavily on the OL.
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It makes me sick that Kirk Chambers is going to be on our roster again and will probably
see playing time and a start or two before the season ends… Especially when we had Icognito on our roster and could have easily signed this guy at the end of last season. I know Chamber can “play” OT too, but can he? Seriously?
Also Ellison has not done anything in this offense to say we need to keep this guy around. I’d rather watch Donovan Woods over Ellison at ILB anyday!!!
The James Hardy and John McCargo question marks are the toughest in my opinion. McCargo is at least playing for his roster spot and doing a pretty good job of it. I guess it is between McCargo, Johnson and Carrington. You know they will keep Carrington… So that is a tough call there. Hardy, we have no idea what the coaches think of him or anticipate for him in the future. I think they might have found the “Hardy Replacement” in Steve Johnson and David Nelson, making him a “prior regime/can’t stay healthy” drafting mistake.
Also Ellison has not done anything in this
offenseto say we need to keep this guy around. I’d rather watch Donovan Woods over Ellison at ILB anyday!!!
Meant to say “Defense”
I like Woods and hes a Pittsburgh kid
Hes accustom to playing in a 3-4 but that doesnt mean hes a better ST player then Ellison, Ellison runs amazing for an LB, has great coverage skills and in a pinch can give Paully P a rest and give quality minutes, Im not sue I can say the same for Donovan Woods. I like Woods he has a nose for the ball and has played very well in preseason, but that being said we know what we get with Keith, and Id much rather have Keith.
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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 27, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
that another question i have
if naman was not native buffalo, would we be as high on him as we are now?
by statcruncher on Aug 27, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
sorry wrong location for this post… its a couple comments below
by statcruncher on Aug 27, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Hes the equivilent of Tim Kennedy with the Sabres. We let him walk and everyone was up in arms over it… if he as born anywhere but WNY it wouldnt have been a big deal.
With that said… I wouldnt mind Naaman on the PS.
Where else would you rather be?
Naaman is a quality young player
Im not from Buffalo and could care less about where Namaan played football, I first liked him because of his name im not gunna lie, but his football playing ability has shown me he is a good football player, coupled with the fact he put up huge numbers in college, and just has shown me a certain level of maturity that I havent seen from the other recievers
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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 27, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Woods has the best ST’er this preseason, hands down.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 27, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
roster
I’m also holding out hope that Buffalo finds a decent backup offensive lineman or two to fill out the reserve corps. As shaky as the starting five are as a unit, Meredith, Chambers and Howard appearing to be the front runners to be offensive linemen 6 through 8 is absolutely pathetic. Chambers to the streets and Howard to practice squad should be attainable through the waiver wire before the opener.
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I agree with you...
I like Hoawrd SOOOooo much more than Chambers, but he isn’t ready yet. If ANYONE is available that is better than Chambers, we need to get him.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 27, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
can anyone explain to me why no one is talking about donald jones? agreed he came from a smaller school but he was the team leader over there, he hand a great combine… gailey spoke about him after the draft….
he might have been just another workout warrior but he has been consistent as well… he contributed in both the games… he is 5 catches for 48 yds so far…
am i missing something?
Hes done well
But Nelson is a great blocker, great route runner and is in favour right now with the coaching staff, Jackson has shown flashes of brilliance and flashes of trash, so its a tossup at receiver, i would personally take Namman, hes run great routes showed he has the maturity to step in and return punts, find the first down marker and gets open, I want Namman over Jackson and Jones
in my humble opinion that is
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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 27, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
and is in favour right now with the coaching staff,
I can’t see how violating the league substance abuse policy would put him in favor with the coaches?
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 27, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Wrong Nelson
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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 27, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
But Nelson is a great blocker,
On a run heavy team, that will out you over the top fast.
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by silverstreak3k on Aug 27, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he makes the PS…he may get called up later in the year if there is an injury…
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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 27, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
In Defense of Fitz -- Or: In Condemnation of Trent
I’m no fan of the QB situation, period. Certainly, Fitz is not fit to be a starter in the NFL. And, like every other Bills fan, I hope that Chan can coach Trent into being a competitive NFL QB this season. However, the fact remains that Fitz has a higher winning percentage than Trent over the past two seasons, and he has a higher percentage of wins against teams with winning records. I don’t point out this fact to suggest that Fitz is the solution so much as I do to suggest that when the draft comes around next year, we’ll still need a QB and a LT (and a whole lot more).
FACT: Trent has only won one game in his career against a team that finished the season with a winning record: the 2007 Washington Redskins (9-7) in a 17-16 win.
I would love to think that his TD pass to Evans after getting throttled last week is a metaphor for his turning a corner in his career. But I’m not optimistic.
That said...
I can’t wait for the season to start. I’m hoping against experience — and one of these years I’ll be right. If the Bills go 1-15 this year but beat the Patriots, it will have been worth it.
Having watched the Buffalo Bills over the last few years, yes Trent’s play has been beyond questionable quite a few games. But how many games were lost not by any fault of Trent’s? How many winnable games were lost in the waning seconds of the fourth quarter? I think there were enough of them that if taken into account, you get a much better picture in the Trent vs Fitzie debate. Also, you might want to throw out that 3TD performance against Colts scrubs at the end of the year.
Trent can and has performed well against defensive systems he is familiar with (i.e. 4-3, zone stuff). Now the Bills play the 3-4, and have a coach who knows offense and how to teach QBs how to exploit defenses. I’m not saying Trent is going to be awesome, just that he has a good shot of working out to be “good enough” to keep us in the hunt over the next few years.
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Is it normal to carry 10 LB when you are running a 3-4,that seems pretty high and then you only carry 5 wr
by morpheus123456 on Aug 27, 2010 11:18 AM EDT reply actions
9-10 LB's usually
5 WR is something most teams do
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Question for the author
is this prediction based on personal opinion or is it based on what the author thinks Gailey will do?
Thanks.
Nelson & Coleman
Its is possible that Nelson and Coleman get cut and then placed on the practice squad…assuming the team believes no one else will pick them up. I know to us as Bills fans they have a lot of value but I am not sure if another team would pick them up and put them on the 53 man roster without seeing them day to day.
10 LB’s seems to be a lot even with the Torbor injury. It will be interesting if the Bills try to get fancy and cut Coleman to keep McCargo or possibly Hardy…or even cut Coleman and try to sign another O-lineman or TE from other teams cuts.
Far more possible with Coleman. But they need numbers at linebacker, and Coleman has more pass rush ability than most of the LBs on the roster. Don’t see him getting cut.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope not...
I like Coleman, he just needs more time.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 27, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope he doesn’t get cut…that wasn’t very clear.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 27, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed,
OLB is a position of trial and error on this football team, we will see alot of combos during the regualr season, and dont be surprised if see different guys other then the guys who are slotted to be OLB’s
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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 27, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
How exactly is Lynch ahead of Spiller on the depth chart?!
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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Aug 27, 2010 1:54 PM EDT reply actions
I think
when it comes to the RB position, they are all technically starters, for different reasons. So don’t worry about where they areon the chart, they will all play as much as they are needed, without the concern over who is the “starter”
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
To us winning is a tradition. We are victors and need not explain. You may hate us, but your girlfriends love us. - BC
One more than Shaq. - Kobe answering how it felt to win Championship number 5
by silverstreak3k on Aug 27, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
at this time
he is a better RB in this league and has experience.
They will all be used in different ways, i don’t think the RB order will mean much
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
Because the position is “RB.” It’s hard to define Spiller’s role in a little box on a website, but I think everyone here knows Spiller will be on the field more than Lynch.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
This is not why our wives married us....
with the ability to rip off a long one
I think we will keep the 4 RB’s and Bell will shock people.
2010 - "Chan"ge is finally here......
by coolness1 on Aug 27, 2010 2:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This is not why our wives married us….
Speak for yourself, I am pretty sure thats the reason my GF said yes to my proposal……right? RIGHT?!
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
To us winning is a tradition. We are victors and need not explain. You may hate us, but your girlfriends love us. - BC
One more than Shaq. - Kobe answering how it felt to win Championship number 5
by silverstreak3k on Aug 27, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
In Defense of Fitz
Fitz has a better record than Trent because he doesn’t play scared. He trys to make plays.
Brian, I like all of your selections, but Howard could start the year on the practice squad if they want to keep Fitz, McCargo or Hardy.
By the way, they will need 4 Qbs before this year is over. Edwards won’t last through September.
Who is the suprise cut? There is always at least one.
My money is on Ellison
as in Calloway, Fitz, Hardy and McCargo aren’t really surprises…
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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 27, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Buddy Nix said that yesterday.
You can't have CHANGE without CHAN.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 27, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Spencer Johnson
I will take my chance with MC Cargo and not Spencer Johnson

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