Bills NT Troup May Be In For Quiet Rookie Season
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 1:00 PM EDT
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PrintIn the midst of a planned switch to the 3-4 defense, the Buffalo Bills - desperate to fortify one of the league's worst run defenses - surprised some folks by selecting Central Florida nose tackle Torell Troup in the second round of the 2010 NFL Draft. Many expected Troup, a 6'3", 315-pound bowling ball that excels at the unheralded dirty work, to take a large bite out of Kyle Williams' snaps as the zero-technique player (nose tackle) in the new defensive alignment.
If two preseason games have told us anything, however, it's that Troup might not see significant playing time as a rookie - despite the fact that Bills scouts liked him because of his durability throughout the course of a game.
First and foremost, unless coordinator George Edwards is keeping secrets, Buffalo might actually play more often with four down linemen than they do with three this year. Buffalo's first-team defense has played 44 snaps through two preseason games, and just 15 of those 44 snaps came out of its base 3-4 look. In nickel and dime packages, the Bills have used four down linemen on all but one sub-package snap. WAS data | IND data
Troup has not been featured in sub-packages, and with Williams hogging reps early, Troup has played just two downs with the first-team defense this preseason.
Again, it's just the preseason, so Edwards might have something up his sleeve. Troup, to his credit, has looked very good in camp, routinely manhandling Buffalo's overwhelmed reserve interior linemen. Athletically and mentally, he is an ideal fit for the job the Bills drafted him to do. Williams, meanwhile, is not; he's at his best shooting gaps, whereas Troup's best assets are his low center of gravity and powerful hands. Troup controls blockers; Williams scoots by them.
But Troup still hasn't seen enough action early in games, though as Buffalo's starters play more, he'll obviously get more time simply to spell Williams. If he doesn't get playing time, however, it will be a function of opportunity.
When the Bills have transitioned to four down linemen, Williams typically plays inside with Marcus Stroud (last year's starting DT tandem), with the team's 3-4 outside linebackers moonlighting with Dwan Edwards at defensive end. Edwards and Spencer Johnson have gotten four-man looks inside ahead of Troup, who has been relegated to second-team work all throughout camp. Add in the versatility of linemen like Alex Carrington and John McCargo, and Troup is a small part of a very muddled picture when it comes to four-linemen looks.
Troup has a clearly defined role on this team, and he's meeting expectations at it: he's the nose tackle. The real question is not whether Troup can play, but how often he'll be asked to. As of right now, it appears as if the second-rounder may do a lot more watching than playing in 2010.
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has played just two downs with the first-team offense
defense?
If the scheme dictates that he’s not on the field then that’s fine – but if he’s not out there because of performance in practice then I would have an issue. Having seen him in person and on the video’s I don’t feel the latter is the case.
He’s going to be an asset for us for years and i’m excited to have him on the team – as of now.
I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....
Alright
Let him ease into his role, thats cool. Hopefully he’ll be a strong def. addition.
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He’ll get his chance… it may not be early in the season… but he’ll get his chance.
I just hope the Troup pick doesnt turn into a “We should have drafted Cody”
see: Maybin over Orakpo/Oher, Whitner or Ngata
…but I just realized Balt took all three players we wish we took over the other… kind of odd. But Newsome is a pretty darn good GM.
As far now… Im willing to let this coaching staff ease Troup into out NT.
Where else would you rather be?
Brian Orakpo is not a Baltimore Raven. But it’s close.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Let’s see:
Whitner → Ngata
Maybin → Oher
uggh
I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....
by J2 on Aug 27, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel much the same way looking back at it like that. but, then I think… why stop there?
If I had the benefit of hindsight I would own the bills right now…
CJ, don't SPILLith thy Kool Aid.
Agreed....
what could the Bills have done with Marino???
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Picks defined past 5 years
Imagine our team with them. Credit Marv and Dick J. Loved DBs and light lineman.
Credit Marv and Dick J
I will give them credit – just not the credit they are looking for
I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....
by J2 on Aug 27, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Cody vs Troup
Geez ,can’t wait for that arguement:)
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by buffalobacker on Aug 27, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this one will work out o.k.
I’m not sure that Cody will be awful – but I think Troup will translate for us
I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....
by J2 on Aug 27, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we’ll be happy with Troup as well… I just dont know how Cody will translate to the NFL. Sure hes big… but I like Troup, I really do. I think that we’ll see him start to come around during the middle of the season… get his feet wet and then let him loose.
I was pleased with him in the 2nd round.
Where else would you rather be?
You know it only a matter of time before the impatient ones start it up.
Where else would you rather be?
That’s what I’m afraid of! I was worried this post was going to degenerate into all about Maybin and Whitner muffed picks. I like what I’ve seen/heard about Troup, and he came in to camp in shape and ready to go, I thought I heard “The Mount” Cody had to sit out some of camp for failing a physical.
Ease him in and hopefully we have another Williams locked up for a long time, good start to having an effective 3-4 for the future.
Well we tried the no offense huddle, why not give the no huddle offense a go?!!
here’s me starting it up, in a mild way.
we all heard about cody failing the test and we were happy we took troup… but i ready cody has been a standout in TC after that… i am anxious to find out what happens 2-3 years down the line.
by statcruncher on Aug 27, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I gotta say...I was pretty perplexed that the Bills drafted Troup with Cody still on the board
But, the news of Cody being a slob at training camp made me feel better. Good, I hope, for the Bills sake, that Cody doesn’t turn out to be the player I think he can be. (Dominant)
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by StroudFanClub on Aug 27, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
have you watched Cody play this preseason?
sure he is hard to move, but he is soooooooo slow. he looks like he is moving underwater. After watching both in admittedly limited action I am happy we took Troup.
Not a really good argument to make rught now.
Cody has all the talent in the world around him. Troup does not. Run plugging NT’s are graded in rush yards allowed. Either of the two playing in Baltimore would have an advantage in any comparison.
Plus, run plugging, two-dwon NT’s are hard to grade anyway, since they can do their job very well and rack up no stats.
Starting the official Buffalo "Draft Owen Marecic in 2011" campaign.
For an update...
on Cody, and Gaither for that matter….
http://carrollcountytimes.com/sports/ravens/article_836d953e-b0ae-11df-aeee-001cc4c03286.html
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Cody is hurt
he lost weight for the combine, but I am not convinced he is going to be a healthy habits type guy. I’d rather have a hard working, weight-under-control guy.
Wow
I highly doubt anyone will complain about Cody over Troup. Cody is a waste.
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by silverstreak3k on Aug 27, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
You dont think Bills fans will complain about Troup or Cody… Ive got to imagine some will in time.
Where else would you rather be?
True
But I am pretty sure “in time” Cody will show his fat lazy and ineffectiveness.
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by silverstreak3k on Aug 27, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
*SMACK*
Thats for bringing up another “we should have picked this guy over that guy” argument. We didn’t pick them. Time to get over it. ;-)
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 27, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
so dwan edwards functions as a pass rush DE in nickel and dime packages then?
by quantumuprising on Aug 27, 2010 1:24 PM EDT reply actions
He did against Indy, but I believe that was more a function of playing Indy and their 3-WR offense. Most of the time, I expect Edwards to play DE on 3rd and 4 or less, with Maybin/Kelsay/Ellis spelling him in 3rd and long situations.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I watched the Packers/Indy game last night
And Green Bay is a traditional 3-4 team, well they transitioned last year but you know what i mean and they played alot of Nickel sets aswell with 4DL so maybe it was just the Indy game because you have to respect the way they air out the football.
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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 27, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think its a good sign
that Kyle Williams is a better NT than we originally anticipated. And why wouldnt he be? The guy is a player and always delivers.
Couldn’t our use of the 4 down lineman be directly tied to the fact that teams use 3 wideout sets a lot more in todays nfl and we were running nickle packages?
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Couldn’t our use of the 4 down lineman be directly tied to the fact that teams use 3 wideout sets a lot more in todays nfl and we were running nickle packages?
Not precisely. Our use of nickel and dime packages is directly tied to multi-WR sets, but we don’t have to have four down linemen in our nickel and dime packages
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
but we don’t have to have four down linemen in our nickel and dime packages
But we do, right? Unless my eyes are playing tricks on me, I think I’ve seen us in four down lineman sets almost every time we’ve got nickle and dime corners out there.
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That was a major point in the article, yes. :)
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
ah yes hah
In nickel and dime packages, the Bills have used four down linemen on all but one sub-package snap.
Got it…….wow…
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The Good Ol 3-3-5
The 4Dl help against the run though, it comes down to strength of the football team we obviously place our strength in our Dl over our Lb’s, where a team like Dallas plays alot of the 3-3-5 because the have confidence in there Lb’s
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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 27, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the 3-3-5 a lot
And the 2-4-5.
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Not precisely. Our use of nickel and dime packages is directly tied to multi-WR sets, but we don’t have to have four down linemen in our nickel and dime packages
Everything has been pretty vanilla on Offense and Defense. I doubt that we have seen our “true” formations thus far. If they show their stuff at all it will be during the last preseason game.
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I like Kyle, I really do (his work ethic, his toughness, his mentality etc.), but this makes little sense. Troup is a far better run-stopper and a far better fit at NT, why the heck don’t we play him more?! Kyle is going to get big-time worn down if we don’t play them about 50-50, as his frame simply isn’t strong enough to handle a full-time job dealing with both a center and a guard at a time.
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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Aug 27, 2010 1:47 PM EDT reply actions
That’s the point – Kyle isn’t playing the zero-technique nearly as often as you’d expect him to. For all intents and purposes, he’s playing the position he played last year.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
But still, Troup has consistently proved that he’s already arguably the best run-stopper on the defense and has done very well in camp, how come we don’t play him in the preseason games?? I sure hope George Edwards has something else in mind when the season begins because you need your best players on the field and Troup to me already is a very solid player.
"The one commonality in both places (Oakland and Buffalo) is an aging owner who keeps interfering too much. Ralph Wilson continually butts his nose in the football operation and tells the team who to draft"
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Aug 27, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
First of all, Troup hasn’t “consistently proved” anything. He’s battling Sean Allen, Cordaro Howard and Jason Watkins.
Second – we do play him in the preseason games. Just not with the first unit. Troup’s gotten plenty of playing time against WAS and IND.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
With a lot of new players on D and players playing new positions, do you think its beneficial to play a lot of 4-3 they are familiar with or more difficult learning both the 4-3 and 3-4 at the same time?
Well we tried the no offense huddle, why not give the no huddle offense a go?!!
We’re not playing 4-3. That’s absolutely critical to understand – four down linemen does not equal “4-3,” because there’s no “3” part of that. When we have four down linemen, we have two or one linebacker on the field. It’s a sub-package, and that’s it.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok sorry. Thanks for correcting me, that’s why I come here, lol. There was just an awful lot of talk about running 4-3 so I got mixed up, along with some others apparantly.
Well we tried the no offense huddle, why not give the no huddle offense a go?!!
Not a big deal. The 4-3 uses slightly different techniques, but by and large, all of our linemen are still playing two-gap principles, whether there are three or four of them.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
in our case we either play a
4-1-6 or a 4-2-5
4-1-6 – In madden is called a dime package, 4 DB’s 2 safties, 1 LB and four DL
4-2-5- In Madden is called the nickel 3DB’s, 2 Safteies, 2LB’s 4DL
Because we play a 3-4, like Brian said we just transition, this does not mean we are still playing a 4-3. we need to change the fact that we do play such a large amount of dime and nickel though thats why our Run D get exposed because teams can run out of the 3 WR sets, with 1 TE and a single back and we are stuck with 5 or 6 DB’s on the field, your asking alot of DB’s to come up to the line and take on Lineman, I know our Corners and safties are the strong past of this team but if we dont start clogging up the line of scrimmage we are gunna get exposed with our suspect run D
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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 27, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
thats why our Run D get exposed
Huh? Your judging our run D on two preseason games? Last year our run D was exposed in Tampa 2. I dont think we have any idea what our run D will be like yet.
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No No,
Sorry you misunderstood or I wanst clear enough, we ran too much Dime and Nickle so our Rund D got exposed, and if we run the same amount of Dime and Nickel our rund d will get exposed
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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 27, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
ok
so your saying we shouldn’t be coming out in as much nickle and dime. I agree with that. I think our first two preseason games may not have told the whole picture though because we played McNabb and Peyton, two great QBs with less than intimidating running games. I think during the regular season we will come out in formations to match our opponents. Or I hope.
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ME TOO!
But we play against alot of good QB’s this year.
Favre, Brady, Rodgers, Cutler, Roethlisberger (as much as I hate to say that), Palmer, Flacco
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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 27, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
thats true
but outside of Cutler and Brady they all have great running games with talented backs – Peterson, Mendenhall, Grant, Benson, and Rice. Thats intimidating. Its going to be tough to defend those teams!
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
Not only are they called nickel and dime packages in Madden, but they’re also called nickel and dime packages in real life. :)
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Strat
I prefer Strat-o-matic references over Madden but I’ll give you a pass Brian :-) (same terminology though).
by FergusonQB12 on Aug 27, 2010 10:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hey man, I didn’t say Madden in the first place! :)
by Brian Galliford on Aug 28, 2010 7:17 AM EDT up reply actions
i think Kyles build
can hold up just fine. Hes a short 305 pounds. Thats pretty stout
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by silverstreak3k on Aug 27, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
With T-Rex arms!
He hates when his nose itches.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Please allow me to clarify what Brian is trying to say here...
What Brian is trying to point out is…We may not be getting very much benefit from the 41st player taken in the draft this year.
Couple that, with the fact that there are many, many other positions on this team hurting for talent (TE, OT, LB), and maybe a guy like Vlad Ducasse, Charles Brown, Rob Gronkowski, Sean Lee, Brandon Spikes, Carlos Dunlap, etc may have been better picks….
I know this is not really the point of the article….just trying to pass my views off as Brian’s! :)
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I disagree again. This team badly needed a NT (and a LT which we didn’t get until Wang was drafted in the fifth round) for the new 3-4 scheme and the coaching staff or Nix apparently liked Troup’s talents as a run-stopper enough to draft him early in the second round
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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Aug 27, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree with Nix here… he said if you need an NT, it makes sense picking one in 2nd round… there was no one to pick at #10 and chances are low to get one lower than 2nd round… NT in 2nd makes sense
by statcruncher on Aug 27, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree they badly needed a NT if they were planning on playing mostly 3-4
but if your planning on playing alot of 4-3, and already have Kyle Williams…..well, then it may have been a curious pick. Right? Is this team good enough to be selecting players that only play part time? Isn’t that kinda what is happening to alot of our high-drafted guys? Part-time players such as Maybin, McKelvin, Spiller, Troup….kinda weird, no?
Not trying to bash or be negative…just thinking out loud….nobody else finds this curious?
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by StroudFanClub on Aug 27, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
The Bills aren't playing 4-3
We’re not playing 4-3. That’s absolutely critical to understand – four down linemen does not equal "4-3," because there’s no "3" part of that.
When the Bills have been playing with 4 down lineman, it’s been in sub packages. We’re in a transition period people: it takes time to get all the right personnel together to play a 3-4 when you’ve been a Tampa 2 team.
by Buffalo Billiever on Aug 27, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Were are still playing a 3-4 we arent in the 3-4 though we are in Dime which is an entirley different defense alltogether
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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 27, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
I see! ;)
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by buffalobacker on Aug 27, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I think with the Bills running so much 4-3 it maybe like as Troup progresses so too will our 3-4. They are both in the initial stages of developement, but I’m liking what I’m seeing.
Well we tried the no offense huddle, why not give the no huddle offense a go?!!
Yes, but isn't preseason a perfect time to experiment with 3-4 packages involving Troup?
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Aug 27, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
No, the practice field is the best time to experiment. Games are for executing.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, agreed that practice is the best time, but
Preseason games are better than regular season game to experiment with new formations. That is my point.
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Aug 27, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
i disagree
whats the point? I’d much rather we use the preseason games to work on packages we are actually going to use in the regular season than to experiment.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
You disagree? You think regular season game are better than preseason games
to try out new packages and looks? Really?
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Aug 27, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
No, practices are the best spot to try out new looks, because all that matters is being able to execute them. Preseason games are about executing and evaluating talent.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I already conceeded practice was the best.
My only comparison now is regular season vs preseason. That is it. No other options in my comparison. Out of the two (2) options, it is my opinion that preseason is the better time to try new things on the field. Case closed. My opinion on this will not change. I’ve already agreed with your practice point.
(Holy cow, how is this conversation still happening? Didn’t think this was a crazy thing I said.)
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Aug 27, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re missing my point – NEITHER time is a good time to try new things.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
That's fine, I see that point.
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Aug 27, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really what I was trying to say at all.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on, who knows what your trying to say better than me? : )
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Aug 27, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Hence, the disclaimer at the bottom of my post.
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Aug 27, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that two factors rank into Troups lack of pre-season work so far.
1. Our transition to the 3-4 will more likely look like KC’s tranfer last year as opposed to GB’s transfer to it.
2. I do think that Edards is holding a few looks back. He would be an idiot to play all of his cards in the pre-season and we should see a lot more of the 3-4 during the regular season than we do in the pre-season.
Also I think that the nature of player rotation in the pre-season is cutting down on his snaps.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 27, 2010 2:20 PM EDT reply actions
I Agree
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Also I think that the nature of player rotation in the pre-season is cutting down on his snaps.
Williams is getting the majority of the reps in practice and preseason games because he is the projected starter. If this were an open competition I would expect them to rotate more frequently. We COULD surmise that Williams needs extra reps to prepare for the season and this is limiting Troup. OR, Troup has turned into a long range project.
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While I understand your statement...
I think the game against Indy skewed the stats…3 WRs the whole time meant we were in our 4-3 looks almost the entire game. I wonder what it will break down like after the preseason is over.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 27, 2010 2:20 PM EDT reply actions
NO we werent
we were in Dime, Bryan Scott and Paully P were playing LB, and we had 6 DB’s on the field, we were playing no sort of 4-3 at all. A 4-3 means there has to be 3LB’s on the field, if we were sticking to a 4-3 dime we would have 2 DL on the line with 3 LBs and 6 DB’s, if we were playing a 3-4 dime we would have 1 DL 4 LB’s and 6 DB’s, DIme means 6DB’s on the field, Nickel means 5 DB’s on the field 3-4 and 4-3 strickly are terms for LB’s and DL but not really DL. If this makes sense say OK
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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 27, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You have the basic ideas down, but again we were in 4-3 "looks" most of night...
Unless a team is running a hyrbid defense (like we are) a 3-4 defensive team plays nickel and dime on passing downs with the nickel based on the 3-3-5 formation and dime based on the 3-2-6 formation.
A 4-3 defensive team runs nickel with the 4-2-5 and dime with the 4-1-6, so like I said; we were running “4-3 looks” almost the entire night. The reason I said “4-3 looks” is because we were running nickel and dime out of the 4 DL men set, which is not typically how a standard 3-4 defense normally runs out of nickel and dime formations.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 27, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
First
I am not surprised. It seems the NT position is a pretty hard one to assimilate to the NFL level. (At least on this team amirite?) BJ Raji wasn’t a “stud” early on last year either. NT’s need time and especially coming from UCF, Troup will need his time.
Second, I think its great Kyle is doing so well that Troup can learn the basics and ease into his role, I still have no doubt he will be the anchor of this defense for years to come.
Third, wasn’t it just last year that people complained that we relied too much on the rookies to be starters and that a good team and coaching staff would have vets that would start while the rookies learned and eased into their role. Now that its actually working out that way everyone clamors for something different! Fickle fans haha.
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by silverstreak3k on Aug 27, 2010 2:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I don’t think Edwards is holding anything back, I just don’t think he’s platooning as much as he will in the regular season. With the known fact that Kyle Williams was only going to play a half, why shuttle in Troup? When the season starts you’ll see more of a rotation simply because Williams won’t be able to hold up over the course of the game (not something you have to worry about in preseason).
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 27, 2010 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Williams won’t be able to hold up over the course of the game
even if he were able to – it’s a better idea to rotate those guys so they are fresher at the end of games. that could really help us in the 4th quarter
I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....
by J2 on Aug 27, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Kyle Williams is arguably our best defensive player
I don’t think it’s surprising that Troup isn’t getting a lot of first team reps. How many teams do you know that yank their Pro-Bowlers, even alternates, to plug in a rookie? Chan Gailey wants to win. Kyle’s not the future of the Buffalo Bills defense, but for today you’ve got to play him.
by Buffalo Billiever on Aug 27, 2010 2:39 PM EDT reply actions
Kyle’s not the future of the Buffalo Bills defense, but for today you’ve got to play him.
why not? I dont care if he fits the scheme, use your best players. I hope Kyle is here for a long time.
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I'll second that one Poz...
Even as a 3-4 team, we can use 4 DLinemen, no rule against it. And with TRex, we have a really good pass-rushing DT, put the OLBs at DE and let’em get after it.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 27, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a fan of the guy as a player...
but I covet a big ol’ fat dude to plug the middle ala Ted Washington :-) I want that prototypical 3-4, and Kyle doesn’t fit that bill.
by Buffalo Billiever on Aug 27, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I've got a feeling
Troup will see the field a lot more often late in the season when the weather gets nasty and teams start running the ball more. I think they’ll put him in there more also as the Stroud/Williams/Johnson rotation rears it’s ineffective head. Why Edwards would think that combo will work, all of a sudden, I don’t know. But it’s the preseason and these coaches seem to be easing the rookies into the line-ups, with Spiller being the lone exception (and that’s probably only due to injury). I think if a player isn’t getting the job done Gailey will have the balls to yank him and let someone else try, at least let’s hope so.
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I know Torell Troup is the bigger unknown as an NFL player
But I’d wager that Williams is the bigger unknown at nose tackle, coming into this year. From what we’ve seen so far, Gailey’s giving preseason reps to players he needs more information on to evaluate at those positions. I know it sounds crazy, but Torell Troup (despite being a rookie) might be the more known presence in this case, at the nose position.
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Although it's quickly becoming "known" that Kyle can do it.
Gailey and Nix knew the guy was a mad dog. But they didn’t know if he could play nose.
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In 2 preseason games, I really dont think we have seen enough of the defense
to make many assumptions about it. The Washington was your typical ugly clusterhump 1st preseason game. Indy’s base offense demanded a Nickel from the Bills’ defense. That alone is enough to skew your stats.
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