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Offense Efficient, Defense Lacking As Bills Topple Bengals

The Buffalo Bills, behind an efficient offensive performance spearheaded by C.J. Spiller, Trent Edwards and Roscoe Parrish, overcome sloppy efforts from their defense and special teams in beating the Cincinnati Bengals 35-20 at Ralph Wilson Stadium.

Spiller, who after three carries had amassed 16 negative yards, still managed to finish the game with 52 rushing yards on 12 carries, including two touchdowns (one yard and 20 yards). He added two catches for 33 yards as Buffalo's offense put up 21 points in the first half.

Edwards was highly efficient, completing 13 of 17 passes for 153 yards with one touchdown. Most impressively, he showed outstanding pocket awareness, deftly avoiding the rush and negative plays on several occasions. Parrish was his favorite target, hauling in four passes for 56 yards with a 12-yard touchdown to open the scoring for the Bills.

The offensive effort overshadowed a weak defensive effort; Carson Palmer completed 9 of 11 passes for 95 yards with two touchdowns, and Cedric Benson ripped off 50 rushing yards on eight carries as the Bengals put up 14 points early. Additionally, Bengals return man Adam Jones 38 yards per kick return, while Quan Crosby averaged 30. As encouraging as Buffalo's offense was, the defense (despite recording three sacks - two from Aaron Maybin - and two turnovers) and special teams were equally discouraging.

This game will re-air locally on Sunday night, for those who missed it. We'll have more comprehensive coverage throughout Sunday, but one likelihood is prevalent at the moment: no matter how good or bad the Bills are in 2010, they look like they'll at least be entertaining.

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I missed most of the second half, I passed out after Reggie Corner made a good play.

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by UZ on Aug 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Come on

No need to pass out. Any stiff could have turned that gift into 6!

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by Kurupt on Aug 28, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

For Reggie, not dropping it constitutes a good play.

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by UZ on Aug 28, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose that's true

~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 28, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

They interviewed Terrence McGee on the sidelines in the fourth quarter, and he (jokingly) expressed shock and surprise that Corner caught the ball, and disclosed that the DBs call Corner the “PBU DB” because he can’t catch.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 28, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

OMG......

that is hilarous…….

PBU is a great nickname for Corner.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 28, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Philadelphia Biblical University?

uh, ….OK

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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Aug 28, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why am I not getting it?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 29, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pass break-up. Sorry; I thought PBU was fairly common terminology. My bad.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 29, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

at least more so than the infamous

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 30, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Louisiana reference

As in “Passed By U”?

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by Montel on Aug 28, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought only Byrd could do that :-)

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by Joe P. on Aug 28, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Give credit where it's due

We need to stop downgrading everything. He was in position. He caught the ball. He ran it in. A difficult play? No. A good play? Yes. No reason to judge anymore than that. He could have dropped it.

by phaze1 on Aug 29, 2010 4:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Give credit where it’s due
Reggie Corner

ಠ_ಠ

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by UZ on Aug 29, 2010 5:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I did

I told him not to pass out!

~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 29, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Troup was impressive.

by telka on Aug 28, 2010 10:37 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah?

anything note worthy or just good play

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by billsoferie on Aug 28, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

He wasn’t blown off the ball and held up well when he was doubled. He’s stronger than I thought.

by telka on Aug 29, 2010 12:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i wonder if Williams will be

trade bait next year

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by billsoferie on Aug 29, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

no way

Even though he’s out of position he’s still a very stout defender especially against the run, you need more than 1 nosetackle because they get gassed.

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by pasaluki on Aug 29, 2010 5:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

well i think the reason why they got Troup

is because he is a guy that can play more plays, unlike Cody.

We will see, it not like i want him to go, but if he is comanding decent value and is unneeded..

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by billsoferie on Aug 29, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Troup looked like a giant, blue, buffalo ball.....

Hard to block and kept pushing the line forward.
I was impressed with the young man.

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Aug 29, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw a few good plays by him – definately noticable on a few plays.

I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....

by J2 on Aug 30, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

NFL Network can't decide when to show the game

It was originally going to be on at 2 am MST on Saturday then 6 am MST Sunday and now shows up on the channel preview thingy on DirecTV at 6 pm MST Monday. At this rate they’ll show it some time after the Dolphins game….

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Aug 28, 2010 10:38 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

nfl network lied!

I set my alarm, got up to watch the game, and saw that. What a weak move. Booooo NFL Network. Boooooooo!

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by Undee on Aug 29, 2010 2:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I’m starting to think this transition to the 34 is going to be MUCH more difficult than I had previously thought.

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by BuffaloBlueBlood on Aug 28, 2010 10:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I’ve been there since the change was announced. It’s a MAJOR shift in philosophy for most of these guys. The bulk of talent they have is best suited for a 4-3 cover-2, it’s going to take a good chunk of time to make these guys stout. This is still Jauron’s team in many ways, and it will be a painful reminder to us at points during the season.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 29, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Looking for a big season from Whitner, since he has talked about how he loves this 3-4.

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by thefourwinds on Aug 29, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the change will help Whitner.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 29, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

The change appears to have already helped Whitner.

by Buffalonian on Aug 29, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

He has certainly had a lot to talk about.

by Macktruck on Aug 29, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

The LB corp.

is where we will need to improve and draft.

Poz will be fine, we will have to look into finding him a ILB partner for him and we will need to find OLB’s

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by billsoferie on Aug 29, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

There is not a single person on this team who is a "must have" for the future....

with the exception of probably Byrd.

Poz might be a close second……

other than that I wouldnt mind if everyone else was replaced.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 29, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seems it would be silly to replace Wood and Levitre. Not sure Byrd is that much better than those two.

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by thefourwinds on Aug 29, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was just talking about defense in response to the comment above me.....

I didnt mention offense because he wasnt talking about it.

I agree with you on Wood and Levitre though.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 29, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, the defense. I get what you mean.

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by thefourwinds on Aug 29, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really...

I dont get statements like that norcali

Williams? Troupe? Stroud? McGee? McKelvin? Carrington? You’re saying you want them all replaced? If you’re saying that they could all be replaced, its true, but that doesn’t mean the replacements will be any better. We have some solid players, lets fill in the holes before we go replacing solid defenders.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 30, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Byrd, Mckelvin, Troup, D. Edwards and Poz

are all guys that are important in the transition of this Defense.

Not that they are guaranteed to be good, but we cannot overall the entire defense and continue to build a offense.

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by billsoferie on Aug 29, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Some of those guys are replaceable easily............

havent seen enough of Troup to say whether or not he should stay…..Im thinking in terms of leadership and playmaking abilities…….I dont have faith in Troup just yet, but he’s got time.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 29, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

i would dissagre that

they are easily replaceable, but i underdstand what you are saying.

but if the guys i mentioned can step up, it will be benificial to this team, creating a young base for the 3-4.

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by billsoferie on Aug 29, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Of course....

the more guys that step up, the less guys the team needs….Im all for that.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 29, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

we should assume that all the recent draftees should stay, at least until they’ve shown they can’t cut it in the nfl – Batten, Carrington, Troup, Moats and even Antonio Coleman. Obviously these guys are perfect potential fits for the 3-4 or they wouldn’t have been drafted or pursued in the case of Coleman. I also think McGee and Wilson should stay here for the foreseeable future.

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by Trashplate on Aug 29, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do like George Wilson......

he would always be welcome on my team…..

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 29, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

True

But that doesn’t mean they can’t play it well. Remember they are not showing much. They are playing very basic coverages. It will get more complicated for opposing offenses come Sep. 12th.

by phaze1 on Aug 29, 2010 4:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

The defense might be even worse than we all imagined....

Especially the pass D. I expect a middle of the road pass unit, but from the looks of it, these guys can’t play man coverage. McGee, Florence and McKelvin all had struggles again today. Since there’s no pass rush to help them out, these guys are going to get exposed all year. Give them a pass rush and they could at least be more aggressive. Right now, it’s ugly. The run D is still as bad as ever too. Sigh.

On the flip side, maybe the offense will be a bit better than expected. Edwards looked very good today, confident and making all the right throws. He was throwing more 8-12 yard passes today, which is EXACTLY what he needs to do. I don’t mind the <5 yard passes if he’s consistently throwing the intermediate passes. He hasn’t done that in the past though, so I don’t expect it to happen when the bullets are real.

Special Teams have been even worse than the defense. Wow, it’s tough watching a unit allow 30+ yards on every kick return. That absolutely has to change, fast. I’m wondering if we’re seeing a lot of players on the kick coverage units that we won’t see on it come week 1??

McCargo looked pretty darn good today, didn’t he?

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by Kurupt on Aug 28, 2010 10:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Perhaps we are gonna have a season like 2002?

Good Offense…..lousy defense…….lots of points scored by both teams.

I could live with that for a year or two………I’d rather watch exciting offense any day over a stauch D.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 28, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know, I love watching Baltimore or Pittsburgs D inflict pain and suffering.

Well we tried the no offense huddle, why not give the no huddle offense a go?!!

by mavadjdj on Aug 29, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Worried about Special Teams

I think defense will tighten up.

ST is a horror show right now.

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by FergusVI on Aug 28, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

McKelvin looked OK. He got tripped up on the 85 TD, but otherwise looked solid. Florence lacks recovery speed, which is why he gets flagged all the time. McGee can’t press to save his life, but is rarely out of position. The pass D problems have to do with our incredibly mediocre LB play.

And yes re: McCargo. They’re going to have a real hard time letting him go.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 28, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

How did McCargo play in relation to Spencer Johnson?

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by Ron From NM on Aug 28, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I barely noticed when Spencer Johnson was on the field. But then again, preseason football brings attractive females to the Ralph.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 28, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well it would help if you had some facial hair though.....

most of em dont want to go after a 12 year old :-)

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 28, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shaven or unshaven, I look fantastic.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 28, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha...

thats funny

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 30, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leo got tripped up

because Ocho toasted him. He got burnt by the move.

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by Kurupt on Aug 29, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the stadium replay sucked. I watched it on NFL.com when I got home, and yeah, that was all toasty on McKelvin.

Still, that’s just one play. He looked really good otherwise.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 29, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed he did

He can look great on the fly route or on simpler curls or outs, but if a WR puts a double move or does something totally unexpected, Leo is toast. It’s encouraging that he seems to be stronger in covering at least some patterns. That’s a start and he’s showing signs of at least being competent this season.

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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 29, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you take away Byrd’s INTS last year, the defense didn’t look so great. Nobody threw for tons of yards on them because there was no need to test it.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 29, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

You don't have to tell me that

This secondary is not a top 10 unit. I don’t see that being possible at all.

~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 29, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank Goodness for CJ Spiller......

he alone is gonna make this team worth rooting for.

I cannot say enough how great a pickup that was……

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 28, 2010 10:41 PM EDT reply actions  

The real deal

All or none kind of back at the onset…could change. But I like the ALL…

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by FergusVI on Aug 28, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question

What do you mean by ‘all or none"? Some plays go for a few, some go for none and some go all the way. Overall CJ is a productive RB, not sure what everybody means by all or nothing. Are we expecting him to get 10 yards a carry every carry? CJ is dynamic, and has/will strengthen our offense just by being on field. My goodness, even AD isn’t lighting it up every carry!

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by buffalobacker on Aug 28, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

They mean either he gets stuffed for minimal yardage or he breaks a big one.....

it happens with young explosive backs……..part of it is CJ sometimes tries to make something out of nothing……

Instead of just taking what the defense gives him….he will learn as he matures.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 28, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank-You

It could be his style, gotta watch game so I can see!! Sounds like he’s doing just fine though!

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by buffalobacker on Aug 28, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too bad the blood soured between April and the organization, at least that’s how I see it. I think he wanted the HC job, they didn’t want to hand it over. The team needs him.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 29, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

If those were the only options, I’m glad he’s not the HC.

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by UZ on Aug 29, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

So....

where are all the TE haters?

I love it. When he has a bad game they are out in force, but when he plays well….silence.

by mikeo76 on Aug 28, 2010 10:52 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I didn't get to watch much of the game

and I am not sure I qualify as a hater. But, nothing would make me happier than Buffalo finally finding an answer at QB. I am not quite ready to anoint Edwards as that answer yet. Let’s not get to excited about Edwards until he shows some consistency and wins some games that matter.

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by Joe P. on Aug 28, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Trent has been so Jekell/Hyde in his career......

its hard to know what to think any more.

I was/am one of the biggest Trent homers walking the earth and even I am not sure whether its okay to reinvest faith in the guy.

Glad he’s playing well though.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 28, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Credit Chan

Trent’s same guy, different offense…

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by buffalobacker on Aug 28, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

That seemed to me to be all smoke and mirrors. They played some weak opponents and strong ones with key players hurt. I wanted it to be real, but said lets wait till we face some good healthy teams. That’s when the season went down faster than JP Losman.

Well we tried the no offense huddle, why not give the no huddle offense a go?!!

by mavadjdj on Aug 29, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not gonna put my tail between my legs

after one decent game in a preseason contest against the Bengals.

Talk to me after we play the Patriots or Jets in the regular season and we’ll see where he’s at.

I want him to succeed as much as anybody, but I’m not buying back in after three quarters of pretty-good-not-great QB play.

by nickfeely8 on Aug 29, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

great performance tonight

Edwards showed outstanding awareness, pocket presence, accuracy, and leadership tonight. He absolutely played like a starting NFL QB tonight as he did against Indy. He was close to hitting Evans on a homerun ball just like he did Johnson before too. Of course Carson Palmer looked like a brain surgeon out there slicing and dicing the Bills defense.

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by pasaluki on Aug 29, 2010 5:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

who would have thought

the problem would be special teams and pass defense lol

such is the nfl, coaching changes everything….

by simonpure on Aug 28, 2010 11:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Well

Chan’s forte is offense, Dick’s was defense. We parted ways with ST coach. New defensive coach and old ST coach. Figures they’d be weaker, heres hoping they improve.

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by buffalobacker on Aug 28, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

coaching changes everything

I’m curious where all the people are that said up and down that coaching doesn’t really make a difference.

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by thefourwinds on Aug 28, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think what he's saying is that statement was like a Duh statement

Something no one would disagree with. One of my profs called it an “every baby should eat” argument.

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by Dyl on Aug 29, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s past my bedtime. But yeah, that makes sense. Gracias. :)

by Brian Galliford on Aug 29, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not really – see below.

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by thefourwinds on Aug 29, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

There was a constant discussion last year between people on the one hand saying our biggest problem was we lacked star players, and that the coaching was not the biggest problem. There was another group (myself, Der Jaeger, and some others) who disagreed, repeatedly saying that the bigger problem was not having any coaches who could turn good players into great players and so-so players into good players. I’m wanting to know where all the people are who said we just needed more stars.

I also am thankful I’ve supported all along the move to draft Spiller, and that I’m not all suprised Trent Edwards is succeeding with better coaching.

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by thefourwinds on Aug 29, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

MEEEE!!!!!!

Im saying we needed more stars…………..

We still need some, but Spiller was a great start.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 29, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am also saying that...

Bellichek wasn’t a genius unti Brady showed up. Payton wasn’t a genius without Brees. Jim Caldwell and Brad Childress both took their teams deep in the playoffs.

Coaches make a difference, but you don’t win in the NFL without stars.

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by JPH on Aug 29, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Having the right QB is a whole different discussion.

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by thefourwinds on Aug 29, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

Maybe, just maybe, Chan can “wish upon a star” ala Pinocchio. Chan could be Geppetto and Trent could be Pinocchio. Not sure about the cricket though.

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by buffalobacker on Aug 29, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roscoe has the same build as

Gemini Cricket

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 30, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

as far as the Trent comment.....

what about when he started off the 2008 season so well?

Are you saying coaching didnt have a hand in that?

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 29, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

What defense were the Bengals playing (didn’t see the game)? Wasn’t Trent’s problem that year that he couldn’t beat a 3-4? Coaching did matter. I also still stand by my statement that last year the no-huddle was not the worst decision, because it succeeded early on (too many injuries killed it). But coaching was what lost the New England game in other aspects (not coaching up McKelvin and not adjusting on defense).

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by thefourwinds on Aug 29, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

coaching lost the NE game?

I doubt that…….a ST gaffe cost the team that game……….as far as the coaching gameplan, the Bills played and prepared the best they could for that…….execution was the problem.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 29, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Coaching was responsible for not grabbing McKelvin’s facemask before that kickoff and saying:
1. You don’t bring any ball out of the endzone.
2. If you have to return it, you get down before you get hit.

Yes, coaching (ST and by responsibility) lost that game. The gaffe was negligent on the part of the coaches.

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by thefourwinds on Aug 29, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Holding on to the football is something pounded into all ball carriers from PeeWee on....

Mckelvin should already know that……….That is something that SHOULDNT need to be said.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 29, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

And how do you know McKelvin wasn't told those things?

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by Kurupt on Aug 29, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

We've needed both

There isn’t one single thing that was the problem, unless you want to say “everything” counts as one thing.

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by Kurupt on Aug 29, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

ha yeah....

everything was definitely the problem.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 29, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd for that...

i think that sums it up about as well as possible.

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by Schwing9 on Aug 29, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Never said one single thing.

There was an ongoing debate all last season about which was the bigger issue.

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by thefourwinds on Aug 29, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s pretty obvious the NFL is a coaches’ league. Right on down to the QB (other than Peyton), it all comes down to coaching.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 29, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

it comes down to have talented players too............

Im sorry but no coach in the world would have been able to win the “talent” the Bills had the last 5 years.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 29, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes – let’s not undersell the fact that Spiller’s presence is having a HUGE effect on Buffalo’s ability to effectively get the ball to other people.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 29, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes – let’s not undersell the fact that Spiller’s presence is having a HUGE effect on Buffalo’s ability to effectively get the ball to other people.

So who was ragging on NIx in the draft? ;-)

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by thefourwinds on Aug 29, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Spiller pick I approved 100%......

the rest of the picks?

Not so much……Brown and Calloway were the only other picks that I personally approved of……..and that was just based on value.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 29, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

How did Troup look tonight (again, didn’t see the game)?

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by thefourwinds on Aug 29, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didnt get to "watch" the game either.....

I followed it online…….I dont remember much from him, although I showed up late too.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 29, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brown and Calloway were the only other picks that I personally approved of…….

Lemme guess, and you approved this message? ;-)

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by Montel on Aug 29, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

he rest of the picks?

really? you don’t like the Troup, Carrington or Easley picks?

I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....

by J2 on Aug 29, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did not.

not in the rounds they were selected.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 29, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Me! :)

But I made it very plain then, and obviously stand by that opinion, that I was ragging on Nix for his strategy, not the players he picked.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 29, 2010 3:51 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You know

I think that’s what most did this year. Unlike in past years where it was the actual player selected that many disliked (Maybin, Hardy, Whitner, McCargo), it seems the position and the strategy of fixing our woes is what was most criticized.

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by Kurupt on Aug 29, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t know, Troup got knocked around a bit since Mount Cody seemed to be the lovebug among NT’s here.

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by UZ on Aug 29, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

I couldn’t agree more.

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by Dyl on Aug 29, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its nice to know that we appear to have a coach who can somewhat mask our players weaknesses and capitalize on the strengths….hopefully

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by BuffaloMook on Aug 29, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sure on the offensive side........

but what about defense?

The defense played well above their talent level the last few years…..but the offense struggled.

It would be nice if both units were in-sync at the same time.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 29, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

This coach is going to need some time to get players in here who fit this new system. These are 4-3 Cover 2 guys mostly still.

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by thefourwinds on Aug 29, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly....my point before stands........

more talent is needed all over the team………its not ALWAYS about the coaching…..especially in the case of the Bills……they need better football players period.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 29, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’re right. More talent is needed. I still think the coaching was the larger problem that had to be solved first.

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by thefourwinds on Aug 29, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

We look to have a good foundation at the very least. The front office and Coach look solid. Are we there yet, no. But there is enough signs that we are progressing back to a competitive franchise. If Edwards actually pans out this year, a couple young guys step up, we can focus on O-line and Linebackers in next years draft. We could suddenly be a team no one wants to play.

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by BuffaloMook on Aug 29, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

True

baby steps…lol

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by BuffaloMook on Aug 29, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn't make sense to me.

How can a team play “above its talent” for years? To me, that indicates that their talent is higher than you are giving them credit for and we are holding them accountable for.

by stetzwebs on Aug 29, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

By that I mean its not like we had a ton of Pro Bowl Defensive players on our team...

yet week in/week out the defense kept the team in a lot of games until the end….and finally caved because the offense gave them NO support.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 29, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that’s just in baseball :)

Well we tried the no offense huddle, why not give the no huddle offense a go?!!

by mavadjdj on Aug 29, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there any chance

The D is playing without most of their looks due to the pre season?

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by billsoferie on Aug 28, 2010 11:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Hopefully lol

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by BuffaloBlueBlood on Aug 28, 2010 11:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

yeah

hopin the same.

that nickle set has been getting flogged on the ground and in the air.

by dav630 on Aug 29, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

A few quick thoughts from the tv -

The passing offense looks good. I think most of it is a function of gailey. He’s moving edwards around a lot to give him time. One thing to watch- he stared down his receivers a ton tonight. Gaileys calls were great. The screen to mcintyre was brilliant.

Rush offense was terrible. On the first few drives there were about 8 bengals in the backfield before he even got the ball.

The defensive line did not have a good night. There was no pressure on palmer the greater at all, and there was no stopping the run.

Ill echo brian. We still may not have a good season, but I think there will be some exciting moments. 3rd and 7 doesn’t necessarily mean moorman time anymore.

by quantumuprising on Aug 28, 2010 11:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I'm not able to catch the games from St Louis...

What the hell happened to our special teams in the last year or so? I thought we only drafted stud special teamers. Yet our units have gotten progressively worse in the return and coverage games. Our kicking game can only do so much. Special teams is supposed to be our bread and butter. It really aggravates me.
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by live6453 on Aug 28, 2010 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I think the kicker return game suffered a major blow losing the wedge.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 29, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

True, but every team's return game should have suffered

As it stands, our Coverage teams look worse, when they should be better without the wedge.

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by Dyl on Aug 29, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

special teams

is savings its tacklers for the regular season.

brilliant out of the box strategy

by simonpure on Aug 28, 2010 11:21 PM EDT reply actions  

We need instant highlights

on this site!

I need to see C.J in action

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by billsoferie on Aug 28, 2010 11:29 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah,

but i like it here better

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by billsoferie on Aug 28, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

copyright restrictions and all that yadda yadda yadda

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by Kurupt on Aug 29, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why does BB.com get to use them? because they’re an official team site?

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by thefourwinds on Aug 29, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

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by Kurupt on Aug 29, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Timely plays

Though the bills defense was bad tonight, they still have a knack for making timely plays on defense. The fourth down stops and the Corner TD late. Last year we usually didn’t make plays as often late in the games against good teams, as our offense could not sustain drives, and the defense tired out. If the offense can just be competent and the defense continues to make a few plays a game, this team will be competitive in most games regardless of our final record.

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by BuffaloMook on Aug 28, 2010 11:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm chalking this defensive performance up to the fact that they played Cincinnati

Cincy is one of the best offenses the NFL has to offer. Their O line can block, Benson is truly frightening, Palmer one of the most underrated QBs, and Owens and Ocho are going to make a lot of DBs look silly.

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by Dyl on Aug 28, 2010 11:34 PM EDT reply actions  

What I mean is

The Bills, defensively, are still a team trying to figure out what they want to do. While that might work against the Bills’ offense in practice, that’s not going to fly against a potent offense like the Bengals that knows Exactly what it’s going to do to you.

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by Dyl on Aug 28, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

The DB’s seemed a step slow and were trailing their man badly most of the first half. I’m hoping they will begin recognizing things a half second faster and start to play more instinctively.

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by BuffaloMook on Aug 28, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a mediocre offense at best

They were 24th in total yards last year, 22nd in points, 26th in passing, and 9th in rushing. So yeah, they can run it pretty effectively, and the additions of Gresham, Shipley and TO will certainly improve that poor passing game, but overall it’s not a special offense. The Bills getting steamrolled by their O isn’t a good sign.

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by Kurupt on Aug 29, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

“Not special” is not the same as “mediocre at best.” They’ve got a good offense. Carson Palmer is also playing much better than you’re giving him credit for, as well.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 29, 2010 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does he bring that good play into the regular season though?

I still maintain that he’s one of the most overrated players in the NFL. He has a ton of weapons this year, so the pressure’s on….

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by Kurupt on Aug 29, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

And 3:52 AM Brian?

What gives?

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by Kurupt on Aug 29, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think something funky was going on with SBN, because I was most definitely NOT awake at 3:52.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 29, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

interesting

I’m not sure I’ve ever seen anyone call Palmer overrated, let alone one of the most overrated players in the NFL.

I’m definitely not saying you’re wrong, I just don’t think I’ve heard that sentiment before.

May I ask why you think that?

by nickfeely8 on Aug 29, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

If i may

he was dreadful at the end of last season and looked completely lost in that playoff game. I’ve heard a ton of talk about him being washed up, but even more people seem to think he’s going to be 2006 carson palmer all over again..

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by JPH on Aug 29, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe I just don’t follow the Bengals closely enough to know how he has been playing. I know against the Jets in the playoffs he was poor, but I guess that’s as much as I thought about it.

by nickfeely8 on Aug 29, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Palmer

-Not a big game player
-Has a $120M contract that he just doesn’t come close to living up to
-Had a couple of real good years, but since then he’s been middle of the pack, at best.

Not totally his fault, but when you make that kind of money, you should be better than the Jason Campbell, Kyle Orton and David Garrard’s of the league, by a considerable margin.

For some reason, I’ve also cut numerous Bengals games the past 3 or so years. He has never looked like a stud QB or one of the top 10 in the league.

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by Kurupt on Aug 29, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

He hasn't been the same since his knee injury

but he is getting back to his previous version of himself

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 30, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on Kurupt

Cincy’s got a good offense with explosive potential and they’ve been showing it this preseason.They could be very good if they get the chemistry right.

by phaze1 on Aug 29, 2010 4:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

They could be pretty explosive, I suppose

We’ll see, but I don’t see how that’s “one of the best offenses the NFL has to offer”.

Jermaine Gresham is the player that’s going to be huge for them. If he has a great rookie year, their offense could be quite good. That also means Palmer has to be very good, which I don’t believe will happen.

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by Kurupt on Aug 29, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know if you can chalk up bad play to anything

Bills defense needs to improve, Special Teams coverage is dreadfully bad. I don’t know what Bruce Dehaven is doing but if it doesn’t improve then he will need to be fired sooner than later. There are new players but no excuse for the dropoff of being one of the best coverage teams to the worst. Maybe a specialist needs to be brought in as much as I don’t want to lose the roster spot

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by pasaluki on Aug 29, 2010 5:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

that said

Last year the Bengals were #7 against the run and the Bills battered em’ pretty bad in someways.

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by pasaluki on Aug 29, 2010 5:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

David Nelsons TD catch

was nice, love that he is stepping up where Hardy has not.

Lose a 6-5 WR, gain a 6-5 WR

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by billsoferie on Aug 28, 2010 11:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree. So we drafted one in the second round and picked one up undrafted.

One of them is making plays and one of them isn’t. Works for me.

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by Dyl on Aug 29, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybin

I was at the game tonight and I watched Maybin whenever he was on the field and I felt like he disappeared at times and looked like the fat kid in high school who was late to the tackle on every play. One of the only good plays I noticed is when he hurried a intentional grounding out of Jordan Palmer. Although I despised him every time he over celebrated on every play in which there was a tackle, it was pretty annoying actually. But that’s just my opinion. Overall, I think the Bills played pretty well, the defense was terrible against the run again but what’s new. I think the first string D played pretty well as a whole and the first team offense definitely impressed me. I expected much less from them

by billsfan26 on Aug 29, 2010 12:16 AM EDT reply actions  

RE: Maybin

I was at the game too, and saw Maybin take himself out of running plays and lose contain on the edge because he cant take on a blocker. He picks a side, and the back goes the other way. He may develop into a pass rusher, but I don’t believe he will ever be an effective run defender.

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by BuffaloMook on Aug 29, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

"ever"

I’d hesitate to say Maybin will “ever” be or not be anything when he’s 22 and hasn’t even begun his second year in professional football.

by nickfeely8 on Aug 29, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is the problem with drafting him in the first place...

he was more of a luxury pick……….not a luxury the Bills had at the time either. 1st round picks shouldnt be a project for a team like the Bills…….they need immediate IMPACT type of players…….(such as Spiller)…..it frankly was a waste. And here we are with this “specialist” who is having trouble adjusting to anything other than 3rd String NFL fringe type players.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 29, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

But

do the Bills really need immediate impact players? I’m as much of a fan as the next guy, but they’re a rebuilding team, and they needed to realize that. Three years of mediocre Jauron and 7-9 means that they were okay, just not good enough, so personally I’m glad they decided to scrap it and go into full rebuilding mode.

Sure, the Maybin pick was made with Jauron still at the helm, but with our switch to the 3-4 I think it may work out in the long run.

I mean, if Maybin had 15 sacks this year, would the Bills be a playoff team? Hell no.

I say we give it a little time.

by nickfeely8 on Aug 29, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hell yes they need immediate impact players.....

especially for coaches sake……you dont get 5 years anymore to turn teams around….Coaches cant afford to play the “waiting” game with their picks, especially 1st rounders picked in the top 12.

Sure players need time to develop…..but they dont get forever….you either have it, or you dont…….

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 29, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

forever?

Maybin has played one season in the NFL in which he didn’t even see the field that much.

Now, the celebrating and holding out and attitude stuff, I can’t support, but I’m willing to let him learn and grow a bit before saying he doesn’t “have it.”

This is the first year of the Bills in full rebuilding mode and I completely suport that and the Gailey/Nix regime. Maybin could be a part of this rebuilding, and I’m certainly ready to say that he also might not. Let’s give him a chance to make it happen before we write him off after a so-so preseason.

by nickfeely8 on Aug 29, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is purely my opinion here....

but I didnt think he was that good coming out of college, and obviously he wasnt good enough to see the field last year either, by the same coaches that drafted him….

He’s looked overmatched by everyone except 3rd String guys….pretty much validating my already biased opinion of him.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 29, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

Obviously everyone’s going to have their own opinions on individual players, and there’s nothing wrong with not thinking he’s good enough from what you’ve seen on the field, because he honestly hasn’t shown me much either to this point.

I just have a problem with people (not necessarily you) writing off the next ten years of his career (if he plays ten more years). I have no issue with him having ground to make up in the court of your opinion, I just have an issue with people who have already counted him completely out.

by nickfeely8 on Aug 29, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have a hard time looking ten years downt the road.....

because the only season that matters is the one going on right now.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 29, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

While I see what you're getting it,

you and I are clearly just on different wavelengths, then.

by nickfeely8 on Aug 29, 2010 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

getting at*

There really should be an option on SB nation to edit your own comments.

by nickfeely8 on Aug 29, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

We are.....

because in Ten years we could possibly have gone through 2-3 more coaching changes…….also in ten years we could have only played 8 seasons because of a possible long term lock out.

To say what is going to happen ten years from now is kinda crazy IMO.

The only time that matters is the present.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 29, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

But

I’m not saying whats “going to happen” ten years from now. Even I admitted that Maybin’s career might not be that long if he sucks.

All I’m saying is that we have to keep the future in mind when we look at this team, particularly because they are rebuilding, as is the case with a lot of NFL teams (Lions, Rams, etc.).

by nickfeely8 on Aug 29, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even though Maybin is young, he doesn’t look physical at all, except when turning the corner, against other young players, while pass rushing in preseason. I’m not giving up on Maybin, but I do see some serious limitations in his ability to consistently stack up with starting NFL lineman. Ouside of him hitting the juice, I don’t seeing this changing any time soon

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by BuffaloMook on Aug 29, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

He can’t shed blocks at all. And barely makes it to the Quarterback most of the time. He can’t diagnose a run play at all and really has trouble against mediocre lineman, I’m not sure how much longer he’ll be in the league

by billsfan26 on Aug 29, 2010 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Impact talent?

There is some impact talent on the roster from the Jauron era, but if it results in having impact players remains to be seen. I think the new regime gives these holdover players this year to prove there worth, before they start looking for replacements.

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by BuffaloMook on Aug 29, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

obviously they cant turnover the entire roster in one year......that is impossible.

They could have drafted better IMO…..but we’ll see how that turns out……even though a couple of their guys wont see the field at all this year, and more could even be cut before we get to the regular season.

It almost appears as if they did better getting talent out of the UDFA’s then the draft picks. (Minus Spiller of course)

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 29, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

This off-season was step one. While I would like to see more production from this years draft class, if we can at least hit on the top end picks producing year one, and lower round picks working into the starting lineup in year two or three, this team will possibly make the playoffs sooner rather than later. Any UDFA production is a nice bonus.

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by BuffaloMook on Aug 29, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep the those first 2-3 picks are the ones who should make the most impact on your team

hopefully…..

Anyone counting on 4th rounders on to make huge impacts on your team is asking for a lot……..

Im not saying that the 4th round guys and later CANT produce….its just less likely, but a good scouting department can always find a few diamonds in the rough.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 29, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That’s exactly how the consistently good teams stay that way. Colts, Patriots, Steelers, etc…..They usually get solid role players, and the occasional star player in the later rounds. Those guys are groomed and ready to fill holes left from FA departures, which they then receive compensatory picks for.

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by BuffaloMook on Aug 29, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.....they get good players for great value....

they dont reach for projects, and when they do..its a reach that they can afford to take………although I havent seen the Colts/Pats/Steelers reach for talent in a long long time…….

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 29, 2010 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Troup is rock solid with room to grow

Is everyone forgetting the second round pick up of Troup?? The guy has a work ethic to be desired by every true football fan and in my opinion has an incredibly high ceiling that that ethic will drive him towards. He is a 3-4 nose tackle and showed last night that he can do what a nose tackle is supposed to do, eat up lineman to free other tacklers. What we need are linebackers to get into the space he creates.

by detricblackstone on Aug 29, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

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by buffalobacker on Aug 29, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

At best...

Maybin becomes as reliable a run defender as Schobel was, which is nothing to exactly be excited about…lol

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by BuffaloMook on Aug 29, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

not so bad

i was able to watch the game on nfl.com with the preseason package and I thought he wasn’t all that bad. he still looked overpowered against the first team o-line, but you could see him trying some different moves against the backups. his second sack was actually a pretty nice dip move (albeit against a rookie tackle). i think the celebrating is as obnoxious as hell, but tonight he showed a good motor and at least showed some glimmers of longer-term promise.

by Squirmin' Thurman on Aug 29, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really can’t understand the celebrating thing. I couldn’t understand it when everyone was on George Wilson about it, and I can’t understand it now that it’s more widespread with Maybin. Kid’s trying to have fun. Who gives a crap?!

by Brian Galliford on Aug 29, 2010 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fun? In a game? BLASPHEMY

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by UZ on Aug 29, 2010 4:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Personally that kind of over-zealous celebration of acheivement should be reserved for people who do something worthwhile....

atleast to me, it looks like Maybin is more set on drawing attention to himself……

There’s a fine line between celebrating and “showing off” and I think Maybin crosses that line often.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 29, 2010 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Celebrating to pump your team up and get the crowd into the game is always fun to watch, but the celebration looked more like a “look at me, look at me!!” situation which is akin to the idiot receivers doing the elaborate first down slash every time they get one. Act like you’ve done it before…although I guess in Maybin’s case he hasn’t ;-) I am all for letting this kid develop, DE/OLB is the second hardest adjustment position from college to pro behind only QB so time is needed, but while your struggling to learn don’t draw attention to yourself, pump up the team around you, get back to the line and make another play.

by detricblackstone on Aug 29, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

norcali – I am in total agreement with you about Maybin. !!!!

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by thefourwinds on Aug 29, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The celebrating wouldn't bother me so much

If Maybin was the one that made the play,but this guy does a rendition of the “Abayarde Stomp” when somebody else makes a tackle,and even if it’s for a substantial gain..I just don’t like the guy,so it bothers me.If Troup did it,I’d probably get a bigger laugh out of it..

by 3nOutNoMore on Aug 29, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I totally disagree...

the guy is energetic and emotional, he doesn’t get flagged for it and I’m sure his teammates like to see some excitement.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 30, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

What you said BG

People just want to hate on the guy. He’s a kid playing an emotional game having a good time. Just what he should be doing. Different strokes for different folks. Folks need to stop digging for reasons.

by phaze1 on Aug 29, 2010 4:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really wouldn’t say I’m digging for reasons to hate the guy- I actually said he was making progress and I admired his hustle. But I do think there is a line between being psyched up after a big play and being psyched up after doing nothing. I am all for the former.The latter is just a bit… odd.

by Squirmin' Thurman on Aug 29, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Celebrate when you do something worthy of it.....something spectacular or extraordinary

I get the feeling Maybin celebrates everytime he pops a pimple.

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by Joe P. on Aug 29, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Maybin celebrates everytime he pops a pimple."

LOL!!!!! I wonder if he practices at home…

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by Goose22 on Aug 29, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do that too

It’s a good feeling getting the zit taken care of.

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by Kurupt on Aug 29, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best thread of the day…

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by thefourwinds on Aug 29, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

For some of us who remember the game before the celebration era, it’s just part of an irksome trend in sports.

But I guess the saying goes “act like you’ve done it before.” I guess that explains why Maybin celebrates the smallest things…he’s never done anything else.

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by Undee on Aug 29, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Maybin's biggest problem is celebrating after a sack...

then I hope he has about 10-15 problems a year for the rest of his career.

by dinendal7 on Aug 30, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

how did Demetrius Bell look?

I heard Trent looked good avoiding pressure and prolonging plays, but I’d like to get some feedback on how Bell played in general. I haven’t heard as many people complaining about him the last two weeks, but haven’t heard much praise either. Just wondering.

And how did the o-line look as a whole tonight?

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by Schwing9 on Aug 29, 2010 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

there were still some breakdowns, but for the first time in a while, I noticed that a pocket was forming that Trent could step up into. On the same note, kudos to Trent for trusting his line. There was at least 4-5 times when it looked like he was going to take a hit, but he stepped up a few paces and his o-line did a great job sealing him off so he could deliver the throw.

by Squirmin' Thurman on Aug 29, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

thanks.

that’s good to hear. no false start penalties for number 77 this week?

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by Schwing9 on Aug 29, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

On some of the running plays the O-line looked pathetic.
Just plain poopy.

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Aug 29, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Defense

I`m very worry about the defense on this team i hear every one say that the secondary is strong part of the defense i don`t see it. Mcgee is playing average, and he is the best back the bills have. I think they should be concern.

by nycitybillsfan on Aug 29, 2010 9:29 PM EDT reply actions  

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