Bills QB Edwards Enjoying His Best Pro Preseason
As I exited Ralph Wilson Stadium Saturday night after the Buffalo Bills' 35-20 preseason victory over the Cincinnati Bengals, I turned to my father and said the following: "It's hard to believe that the same Trent Edwards we saw tonight was so unbelievably awful last preseason."
Edwards was a complete disaster in 2009, yet after surviving a regime change and re-emerging as the top QB on the depth chart, he has quietly put together a very steady preseason, and arguably the best of his professional career. Through parts of three games, Edwards has completed 24 of 37 passes for 304 yards, with two touchdowns, one interception and a quarterback rating of 97.1. He has led the Bills' first-team offense to 38 points in that time frame; if you recall, Buffalo's first unit didn't score a single touchdown in 2009.
It's hard to believe that barely two weeks ago, we were arguing over whether or not Edwards deserved to be benched. In the time since, Edwards has put together some very solid performances, and been consistent enough spark a little optimism. Don't worry - it is very, very cautious, against-our-better-judgment optimism. But it's optimism nonetheless.
For historical reference, here's how Edwards has performed in his first four professional preseasons.
| Year | Comp. | Att. | % | Yds | YPA | TD | INT | QBR |
| 2007 | 46 | 61 | 75.4 | 432 | 7.08 | 1 | 0 | 99.9 |
| 2008 | 10 | 16 | 62.5 | 122 | 7.63 | 2 | 0 | 125.5 |
| 2009 | 26 | 38 | 68.4 | 189 | 4.97 | 0 | 3 | 46.9 |
| 2010 | 24 | 37 | 64.9 | 304 | 8.22 | 2 | 1 | 97.1 |
The statistic most indicative of Edwards' efficiency is in yards per passing attempt, where his 8.22 figure dwarfs any he's yet put up. Any passing offense that is churning out eight yards for every throw is doing a lot of things right, and Edwards has spearheaded that effort by extending some plays, making tons of excellent decisions, and executing Chan Gailey's game plans very well. That's all he'll be asked to do, and he's certainly capable of doing it. He's proving that capability this preseason.
In 2007, Edwards was a rookie playing against second- and third-team defenses, so his nice stat line should be taken with a grain of salt. So, too, should his 2008 stat line, as Edwards appeared in just two games that preseason before succumbing to injury and missing the final two games. Hence his very low total of 16 attempted passes. As previously mentioned, 2009 was an unmitigated disaster, and as bad as he was last year, he's been equally efficient this year. I'd argue that his health, his attitude, his decision-making and his execution have made this his best preseason to date.
What's more, Edwards - overshadowed by the rest of the AFC East's young quarterbacks, like his team (and with very good reason) - has been out-playing everyone in the division not named Tom Brady. What follows is a faulty comparison, as the games still don't count, but it's certainly not meaningless; Edwards has been efficient more consistently than have Chad Henne and Mark Sanchez.
| Player | Comp. | Att. | % | Yds | YPA | TD | INT | QBR |
| Tom Brady | 33 | 42 | 78.6 | 425 | 10.12 | 4 | 0 | 140.6 |
| Trent Edwards | 24 | 37 | 64.9 | 304 | 8.22 | 2 | 1 | 97.1 |
| Chad Henne | 26 | 47 | 55.3 | 293 | 6.23 | 2 | 1 | 79.5 |
| Mark Sanchez | 31 | 58 | 53.4 | 270 | 4.66 | 2 | 2 | 63.1 |
I know, I know. The games don't count. Defenses, and blitz packages in particular, are vanilla. The odds are still long against Edwards. I realize all of that; hence this line above the fold:
Don't worry - it is very, very cautious, against-our-better-judgment optimism.
Just don't tell me what Edwards has done this preseason is meaningless, because it isn't. We learned that lesson the hard way in 2009, when his shoddy play eventually carried over to the regular season. Preseason play matters. Thus far, Edwards is having a "career preseason," if you will. Let's hope that carryover effect continues into the regular season once again; this time, I doubt we'd mind so much.
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Trent will be OK
It is encouraging to see Trent putting together a consisitent showing. I have held faith all along, that given an NFL level offensive coach and some decent protection, Trent can win alot of games. He is smart, he can be accurate and he has leadership potentiial if his confidence can stay intact. He probably still has to learn to pick himself up after a bad play and move on – hopefully he can do this because there will be bad plays with such a young team. There are positive signs as you point out, Brian. I am encouraged!
I'll eat my words
I admit, I really felt the “open” competition wasn’t very “open” for the QB spot. But it is clear that Edwards deserves the starting nod.
I am still concerned at having a #1 QB whom is as injury-proned as Edwads.
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 29, 2010 7:21 AM EDT reply actions
admirable Jason
You’ve always been willing to call yourself out when you’ve been wrong and I respect that. So let me (I can’t believe I’m about to say this to our resident pessimist) tell you why its not yet time to get encouraged. I’ve never doubted trent as a player – but he’s never been a healthy for a full year and I still see him taking shots I wish he wouldn’t. No talent can overcome injury
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Aug 29, 2010 12:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ha ha
Just realized I missed your second paragraph. I should have known you couldn’t have been that optimistic!
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Aug 29, 2010 12:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think that is why...
I claim to be a realist… I used to really like Edwards… Than he started to scare me as a number 1 because of durability.
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 29, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I was gonna add for all you Trent Haters in fanposts.
But his will suffice.
I said it all along, the problem wasn’t Trent, it was Jauron and the Oline.
Now you can see just how little Jauron knew about offensive strategy. Seriously, I think the Lancaster HS coach could run circles around Jauron when it comes to understanding offense. It was really that BAD!
Gailey despite the OL problems has done a nice job of hiding them through strategy. Crossing patterns, screens, play action calls in the appropriate spot to keep defenses off balance. You really can’t understand how important is, unless you have played footbal and been fooled by them on D. Then you can really understand, just how much offensive strategy can effect a D.
Captain Checkdow, that stupid “Hey there
Trent Edwards” song, I hope this just shuts up the haters (And I was even thinking of you Jason from Ohio). The idioots on Talk radio are not even qualified to talk football (cough wgr 550) Schopp even admitted when he was a kid on air he tried to be the refferee when pickup football games happened.
I said it before, and I will say it again, Trent can be a very good quarterback, especially in a west coast system style. That TD to Roscoe is an example, trent reloaded to hit him in stride on a crossing pattern. Nice Job.
Hopefully Gailey knows more about defense, than Jauron knew about offense (Which was zilch). Even if he is doesnt, it’s much more entertaing to watch a team with a good offense and a bad defense, then it is to watch a team with a bad offense and a good defense.
Nice job so far on the O Chan!
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 29, 2010 7:34 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
rec'd
well said. I truly would like to see what Edwards could do with a talented and solid (cohesive) OL. I think (and have said repeatedly) that he is a talented QB and will continue to say so regardless of this season, because, our OL is still a “2” on a scale of 1 to 5 – those 2 being Wood and Levitre. There are going to be many rough patches. Any injury on the OL will repeat ’09’s debacle.
If I could “make it happen”, I’d trade Lynch for a solid LT which would allow Spiller to play more, add talent to the OL, and those two results would further allow more of Edwards’ talent to surface. A win-win-win (and more wins!) situation.
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
RT
Actually so far, and from reading the game thread from last night that RT (with Green) seems to be a larger issue than LT. I wonder if Meredith would be better on the right side than Green?
Cornell Green to C.J. Spiller-
"You’re all clear, kid! Now let’s win this thing and go home!"
by TexasBillsFanatic on Aug 29, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
I made the same comment on the web rumblings post this morning. I’m way more worried about Green on the right than I am about Bell on the left. Green looked real bad most of the night last night.
"Ability without character will lose. The Bills are going to be a team of high character. That stamp I will push very hard. I hope we can convey that to our fans and project something very special to the rest of the nation." - Marv Levy
by BuffaloBlueBlood on Aug 29, 2010 4:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ya – I was expecting him to look a lot better. He really needs to pick up his game…
I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....
by J2 on Aug 30, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Only because Green has been absolutely horrible…
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 29, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec'd. I really think that the lack of offensive coaching experience that last year's staff had
is completely overlooked. Alex Van Pelt was our O.C., having never done it before, and having about a week or two to prepare for it. Dick Jauron’s only experience running an offense was his head coaching experience in Chicago. We all know Dick is a defensive guy. I can just imagine how advanced other team’s offenses were compared to ours last year. You can’t tell me that didn’t impact Trent and the entire offense negatively. I think that point is really understated.
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Aug 29, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Buffalo Kid, please add me to your "Backing Trent Edwards" cause
He really was turned into a scapgoat last year. It was kinda sickening, actually. WGR, Jerry Sullivan, and even a good number of fans had almost a hatred of the guy! Where did this hate come from? Yes, we were all frustrated with the team. But to single out one guy like that, make nicknames and write songs about him….I just never got it. So what if he “checked down” often? I can’t even imagine how much more we could have lost by last year if Edwards tried forcing throws that weren’t there. I think WGR just hated him because of his “Dick Jauron type” style of not saying much in his answers to the media….but guess what? That is what Jauron wanted probably! And Jauron was his boss.
I don’t know for sure that Trent Edwards is going to be a good NFL QB in this league. I feel he had/has potential, is smart, and works hard. That combination of traits can take you far. I just hope having an entire portion of the fanbase turn on him (and even heckle him in practice!) can’t do much for his confidence. But maybe Chan can help him regain his love for the game. I just think he has been unfairly blamed for an entire offenses shortcomings. And thus, I am rooting for him to succeed.
Lastly, let me prove my point about just how much our coaching staff was lacking offensive coaching experience going into week 1 of last year:
Dick Jauron (HC): 10 years D-backs coach; 5 years Defensive Coorinator; 7 years Head Coach; this year D-backs coach for Philly
Alex Van Pelt (O.C. and QB coach): 2 years Offensive Quality control coach; 1 year QB coach; 1 year QB coach AND Offensive Coordinator; this year, back to QB coach of Tampa
Eric Studesville (RB coach and running game coordinator): 3 years Offensive Quality control coach; 5 years RB coach; 1 year RB coach AND Running Game Coordinator; this year RB coach for Denver
Just look at that experience! Not 1 of the 3 main guys had prior offensive coordinator experience. Each of the 3 guys took a “step down” in title this year on other teams. Your gonna tell me that the 2009 Buffalo Bills offense had a chance?
Take a look at what kind of experience say, Houston Texans coaching staff going into week 1 of this year for example:
Gary Kubiak (HC): 1 year QB coach; 11 years Offensive Coordinator; 4 years HC
Rick Dennison (O.C.): 5 years o-line coach; 3 years Offensive Coordinator
Greg Knapp (QB coach): 3 offensive quality coach; 3 years QB coach; 9 years Offensive Coordinator
When the Houston Texans meet to gameplan the offense this year, these 3 coaches bring a combined 23 years of Offensive Coordinator experience between them!!! 23 years!!! You CAN NOT tell me that doesn’t give them an edge…to have that much experience in game planning and knowing what works and what doesn’t.
Trent, and the entire Bills offense, didn’t have a chance last year. And that doesn’t even take into account how much less talented our offensive line was than everyone else.
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Aug 29, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
rec’d – nice thoughts
I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....
by J2 on Aug 29, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Bk
Again, its not about trent and whether he’s capable talent wise. I have always believed him to be a good QB. Its his multiple concussions and inability to stay healthy that are holding him back. He took another huge hit he didn’t have to for the second preseason game in a row. Do you think he can make it when the bullets are live behind this oline? I hope so – but trent has stomped on me for having faith in him in the past. I simply will not do so again until he proves he can go 16 or the oline proves they won’t let opponents get free hits on him
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Aug 29, 2010 12:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
until he proves he can go 16
Why the pessimism? 16? I’m holdin’ out for 19!!!! LOL!!!
The draft dawns a new year for Buffalo Bills fans, so let optimism reign supreme!!! After all, we are now, UNDEFEATED!!!!
depends on what state you live in.....wait.....nevermind :-)
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
Did you ever think
Again, its not about trent and whether he’s capable talent wise. I have always believed him to be a good QB. Its his multiple concussions and inability to stay healthy that are holding him back.
That those happened because skeletor wasn’t smart enough to adjust to blitzes by having some extra blockers to chip?
Look at the 70 yard pass last week, they had 3 rb in to max protect to give trent the time to throw the bomb to lee.
If they are getting pressure you need xtra blockers and hope you can get a man on man sonmewhere where trent’s accuarcy will come through.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 30, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Trent
I’d give credit were credits due and thats Chan and Spiller. Trent is still Trent, he’s just running Chan’s offense. And Spiller is making it easier on Trent as well. The only difference over last year is Spiller and Chan. What happens to Trent when he gets hurt thats what Id be worried about. Who’s our 2nd string QB??
Home of "Spiller the Thriller"
by buffalobacker on Aug 29, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, if I'm reading this game correctly
the fact that Edwards completed passes downfield made things easier for Spiller as the game progressed.
More reason to trust CHIX
I hope doubters are beginning to realize that CHIX know what they are doing and that they are resolutely setting about their plan. Season 1- complete up-close evaluation of players at key positions, such as QB, LT etc. Potential of existing players needed to be considered in light of having a head coach who knew offense and was capable of getting the best out of his players. I think CHIX saw the potential in Edwards, Bell and some others and wanted a year to work with these guys before trashing all of them in favor of more established vets or high draft picks. If Trent continues to his preseason success, and truly becomes a franchise quality QB, then we have saved money and/or a #1 pick for a position player of greater need. Let’s keep him healthy for the season and see what he really has to offer.
Saved money?
So you think if Edwards does well this year he won’t want a nice big fat new contract?
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
If he does well.
He deserves a fat contract, for all the crap he put up with. Captain checkdown, the song. I was really starting to get annoyed last year, he was the scapegoat and it was led by wgr 550, when it was obivious just how bad the offensive coaching was. On that TD to Roscoe, If it was last year, he would have thrown it between the numbers and roscoe would have got pummeled, this year he reloaded and hit him in stride where roscoe could break free.
I knew it was the previous regime’s fault for using him improperly, the kept using an offense that was designed for JP’s skillset, not trent’s and I really am not kidding, I have seen HS coaches that could have done a better job than what we had on O for plsycalling during the Jauron regime, if they had the freedom to do what they wanted.
It is really refreshing to have someone calling the plays that is NFL caliber. I used to just get so angry at the playcalling on O all the way back to Gilbride. For once I don’t think that will not be the source of my frustration..
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 29, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he was the scapegoat and it was led by wgr 550
And I can’t forget Jerry Sullivan, though he would be on 550 to, but he would put it in the Buffalo News so it was an echo chamber from a bunch of people that never actually played football.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 29, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am glad Edwards is giving fans a reason to get excited
and the coaching under Jauron was a big part of this team’s horrible performances. Just be careful how much you thump your chest right now. The Bills have not won anything yet. Coaches are only beginning to game plan for opponents. But BG is right, the preseason does matter and the progress being made is encouraging.
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
I know it is pre season, but how often did we ever see trent hit a guy in stride on a crossing pattern under Jauron? I can’t think of one, It was always at the numbers. So yeah I may be jumping the gun, but I think this coaching staff is ready to have a decent O.
It’s the D where i am worried. We may find out 2 or 3 years from now Chan knows about as much as D as Jauron did about O, that is currently my biggest worry. Edwards comes from Parcells tree so that reassures me a bit they are just being a bit vanilla, but time will tell.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 29, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Did worry about the defensive coaching
As with the offensive coaches, the defensive coaches also seem to have the ability to adjust on the fly. And remember that the overhaul of the defensive scheme is a much bigger undertaking than tweeking the offense. The defense might not be as good this season as we would like, but I suspect it is more due to the personnel, which will take time to replace.
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
I think CHIX saw the potential in Edwards, Bell and some others and wanted a year to work with these guys before trashing all of them in favor of more established vets or high draft picks
I think you are right, but I am still not sold on Bell, he has the talent. But as someone who has played alot of football in the trenches when I was younger as a DE and OT, I can tell you playing on the OL is a different beast. I think Bell might just be too nice a guy for LT. Bullies make nice OL, people who like to hit people and knock em down, you really need a killer instinct, where you can really unload your frustrations on the guy you are blocking without getting out of control. I really liked the Wood pick, I would have loved Bulaga, or Faneca. I hope Bell can do it, but I think he may be just a bit too soft for the NFL, time will tell.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 29, 2010 7:47 AM EDT reply actions
Coach Gailey was quoted as saying:
“They were playing the run very hard to start with,” Gailey said. “After we saw that, we figured we had to throw it a bunch to soften them up a little bit, and I thought we were able to do that.”-Bflo News
In 2009 we had a decent running game, but our offense’s playbook was weak. Now, teams know Spiller is a scoring threat whenever he’s on the field and the defense has to account for him on every play. Play action is freezing defenses, opening up passing routes and making our O-line look good.
"If you dog one of us, you dog all of us" - Chan Gailey
"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6
In game adjustments....
who’d a thunk???
Kudo’s Chan!!!
The draft dawns a new year for Buffalo Bills fans, so let optimism reign supreme!!! After all, we are now, UNDEFEATED!!!!
Yes....this is the most encouraging thing about the preseason.
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
Good job Edwards
Your doing good at proving me wrong about you. cSo far ;-)
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Yes we Chan
It is amazing what an accomplished Play caller can do for an offense.
Let the offseason begin
That light we see might not be a train
I think it’s amazing what a unified voice in a young QB’s ear can do. For so long Trent has had different coordinators, different head coaches and different QB coaches, this all means different evaluations and expectations from each. It’s impossible to keep all those straight in your mind…especially with every member of an opposing defense bearing down on you through your swiss cheese Oline. Now he has one voice in his ear and that voice knows how to gameplan for his players. The results are really starting to show. Keep it up Trent, Chan and GO BILLS!
by detricblackstone on Aug 29, 2010 9:06 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd. These things are very important.
Take a look at the successful offenses and QBs in this league….do any of them change schemes, coaches, etc seemingly every other year? Nope.
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Aug 29, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I`m not sure what Trent is going but remember Bills Nation this team was POORLY COACH by Dick and is staff , know that we have a Head Coach and is staff that know what they doing we can judge Trent and the other players. I say for years another coach his take his team and beat Dick J Bills and switch team and still beat Dick J . The man didn`t know what he was doing
It is easy to dog on DJ now... Remember he was the brain child of one Marv Levy.
Good for Nix to realize that the NFL is a much more of an offensive league now. Sure defenses win championships and we need a draft or two to continue to work on our defense. But just to have an offense is something that DJ could never find and bring in coordinators that could call plays.
I love the fact that Gailey can make some adjustments to soften up when a team in over-loading on one player or one part of the game.
I have to wait now until Monday night to see this game on NFL Network. Stupid that they changed the game played time from last night at 1 am (CST) to Monday at 7 pm?? WTH!!!
It was always easy to dog Jauron
He may be a great high character guy but my assessment is.
Top notch DB coach
Adequate DC
Lousy head coach because he knows zilch about offense, if you know zilch about offense, how can you hire coaches that do?
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 29, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
It the truth Jauron is a poor head coach he not a leader firing is OC before the season start , don`t have a good QB coach —A good Head Coach assemble a good staff
by nycitybillsfan on Aug 29, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
You know what you’re doing right now? Hijacking a thread about Trent Edwards.
Dick Jauron is part of this team’s past, people. Let’s look forward, shall we?
by Brian Galliford on Aug 29, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Marv;s Brain Child
Yes, he is Marv’s friend who needed a job, but Marv never told him to fire his OC ten days before the season and put a QB coach in charge who never did a gameplan before. Marv never told him to trade his starting LT, and then release his replacement days before the season began so he could start a guy who’s never started before.
I think if Marv was still GM at the time those things were occurring he would have said to DJ, “Where else would you rather be right now? The unemployment line? Because that’s where you’re heading.”
A Head Coach....
is only as good as the people around him, ie, his staff…. Levy was known as a special teams guru, but one of the things that made him a great HC, were his O and D co-ordinators… Remember them???
The draft dawns a new year for Buffalo Bills fans, so let optimism reign supreme!!! After all, we are now, UNDEFEATED!!!!
Jim Kelly
was pretty much the OC, he called the plays.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 30, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
this team was POORLY COACH by Dick and is staff
Not the DB’s they were well coached (it seems we could be called CB U), and the DL was starting to make some progress,
everywhere else, not so much.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 29, 2010 9:26 AM EDT reply actions
We are all cautious...
Here’s a very important observation – I know it’s the preseason, but about five minutes into the second quarter Trent Edwards had already completed a pass to EVERY starting player with receiver eligibility. He completed passes to L. Evans, Parrish, S. Johnson, Stupar, David Nelson on a nice throw, hit Spiller in the second quarter, and even hit Corey McIntyre on a beautiful screen play for 16 yards. Best yet – and maybe most impressive to me – Edwards took a calculated gamble on a 3rd and 7 early in the second and just missed L. Evans streaking down the left sideline on a long bomb under pressure (he actually had a step on the cb). Edwards missed, sure, but it put a seed of doubt in the Bengals’ heads – remember to pay attention to L. Evans. – The next play from Edwards after that missed bomb was a 28-yard pass to Roscoe Parrish to open the next drive.
Now, if we read all the reports about how Jauron never made adjustments and how Gailey has been all over S. Johnson for making every route look the same for predictability’s sake, maybe… just maybe… Edwards can do this.
Also
I also believe it was on that play that trent glanced over to the bench and was smiling…the kid was having fun out there!
And, only confidence...
in himself, and his coaches, will allow a QB to enjoy his job…
The draft dawns a new year for Buffalo Bills fans, so let optimism reign supreme!!! After all, we are now, UNDEFEATED!!!!
True....and I hope he can maintain that confidence when things go South
It may be Always Sunny in Philly, but it is going to rain in Blo at some point in this season.
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
Yep and agreed
Hes still got a long way to go…but I believe the part that needed the most work (mental & organizational preparation) is headed in the right direction
Great Job Trent!!!
And to the whole first team offense including Jarmon Meredith. Converting 3rd downs, moving the chains, scoring touchdowns on the ground and in the air. Pretty scary stuff here. Still bottom line, great job Trent.
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a moving target
Trent can lead his receivers. I think this myth has been busted.
"Football's gotta be dangerous. It's gotta be labor and pains." -Deacon Jones
Yep,
I still think Jauron made them coach him to hit his receivers in the numbers on short passes, because he always did until now.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 29, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t Edwards bascially pull a TO last season and state that he was and could only go with the plays that were called?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 29, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Brian...
you could have stopped the story right here
Bills QB Edwards Enjoying
He actually is playing like he likes football again. Idk… over the past 2 seasons it just seemed like he wasnt having any fun… wasnt “playing for the love of the game.” IMO. But he seems to be enjoying football again. Thank god… Im believing in you now Trent… just keep going..
Where else would you rather be?
over the past 2 seasons it just seemed like he wasnt having any fun
An understatement. How much fun can you have running away from and being pummeled by 300lb. linemen and being part of an inept “Pop Warner” offense?
I don’t think he ever stopped “liking” football. He’s just not a masochist, so he doesn’t “like” pain.
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
Trent is finally starting to look ike the QB that we all thought he could be after his rookie season.
And while I know that this is only the pre-season, I haven’t been this encouraged by his play since he was a rookie.
Keep up the good work Trent, and please, please, PLEASE, don’t turn into captain cheackdown again.
Starcraft II: the ultimate sleep depraver.
by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 29, 2010 12:00 PM EDT reply actions
if we could have ditched Jauron 2 years ago like we should have.
We would have never knowed the term of captain checkdown.
Let’s place the blame where it belongs.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 29, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kind of makes you wonder about Loseman too.
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
Well, we’ll see how well he does with the opportunity he has now in Seattle.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 29, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Kind of makes you wonder about Loseman too.
No, he just plain sucked. Losman will be luck to be QB3 on the hawks.
Losman is someone who has a nice arm (But not very accurate), but a double digit IQ.
He can overthrow any receiver by 5 yards, he has done it time and time again.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Aug 30, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Losman will most likely start for the hawks.
Starcraft II: the ultimate sleep depraver.
by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 30, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
edwards/ preseason
Preseason play DEFINITELY matters. The way Jauron went about the preseason was deplorable; he flat out refused to use the preseason to get the team (and the quarterbacks in particular) in a rhythm heading into the season. I can’t wait to see the replay on the NFL Network tomorrow night and I hope Edwards played as well as his stats suggest he did…also, CJ Spiller has almost single handedly given me the gift of anticipation for the 2010 Bills season. Gailey and Nix have at least given me a reason to get pumped up for Sundays in the Fall again. Since mid-2008, the NFL was totally ruined for me for the first time in my life and game days were actually a chore in all honesty because the team had no plan other than trying to survive jauron’s absurd contract extension as long as possible…bring on the(wildly overrated) Fish. can’t wait to kick off.
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Trent
We’re seeing productivity from him because Chan is simply a much better coach than Jauron. Trent has been the product of bad coaching and poor protection throughout his entire career. He finally has a system and scheme that fits him.
Each tiny crumb of good news is immediately followed with a swift kick to the nuts.
it really pains me to see
So many jumping right back on the trent bandwagon after a preseason. Jake delhomme has looked nasty over in Cleveland too guys. No doubt trent has looked magnificent, taking a good shot deep to Evans, finding Roscoe for big gains almost every time he goes to him, looking like a new man and leader and seeming to be working on a connection with lee.
But everyone needs to settle down. Chan gailey is going to make our guys look good, he did it with Tyler thigpen. If some want to reannoint trent the franchise again before week 1 I’d just say fool me once….fool me twice?
Ya’ll are seemingly forgetting, in the midst of your relentless trashing of jauron, that Edwards has looked this good before – in the regular season – under dick jauron! I believe in trent but I won’t place faith in him again until he proves he can lead this team for 16 real games. I caution against this preseason rejoicing. Its reactions like this which breed songs mocking trent and create nicknames like captain checkdown – you’ll just create more trent hate if you try and hype him in the preseason.
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by poz on Aug 29, 2010 12:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Do you really think you can stop fans from being fans? Asking for people to not get excited about our Bills QB – who at the moment is lighting up the scoreboard during this preseason – is just not going to happen.
I appreciate the fact that you’re concerned that over reaction at this stage can lead to over reaction in the negative if the team falters early. But that’s sports. It is what it is. Gotta take the good with the bad. At present, Trent looks great. The offense may be explosive this year (can’t believe I just wrote that!:). And yes, perhaps Trent may get hurt behind a young offensive line. But injuries happen. To Brett Favre, Tom Brady and famously in these parts, to Jim Kelly (perhaps every year he played?). Therefore I just don’t agree that you should not get excited about Trent just because he hasn’t finished a full season yet. But then again, what’s great about sports (and this country) is that we all have the right to our own opinion. And that includes the right to root for your team in what ever way you wish.
by DJ O on Aug 29, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great Speech!!!!
DJ O for POTUS!!!!
Oops… wrong blog… Nevermind…
The draft dawns a new year for Buffalo Bills fans, so let optimism reign supreme!!! After all, we are now, UNDEFEATED!!!!
I can appreciate your sentiment dj and I’d truly get it if this were the regular season and the bills had just toppled peyton manning and Carson Palmer after going four full quarters of no holds barred action. But they didn’t. And I’m not just concerned over injury history, though it looms large, but the fact that trent has looked like this in past for a spurt only to crumble.
I woule never presume to tell anyone how to root for the bills but it is entirely concerning how quickly the tone on Edwards has changed from “should he be cut” to “do we have our franchise guy” based on two preseason games. Don’t get me wrong, I’m excited about what I see and I want trent to succeed. But don’t you agree that such rapidly shifting expectations should be tempered?
And side note, when has Favre ever been hurt and missed a game? Trent hasn’t started a full season since high school if I’m not mistaken.
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by poz on Aug 29, 2010 2:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
trent has looked like this in past for a spurt only to crumble.
Both physically and mentally. I can’t shake the feeling that one or both will happen again.
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
Favre is the extreme example of durability.
To a degree, I agree with you poz. Rapid shifting expectations should be tempered, if only to be more sensible when the bullets are for real and things don’t go as smooth as they are during this preseason. But thats just me. I am tempered, as are you, because we know that overreaction at this time may lead to a much more bitter, very dark emotion if things don’t go so well later on.
However, I can’t help but think this is a fan forum. Of all the places we should go to to express ourselves, no matter how optimistic, it should be here. At the office, with your buddies, I do temper my opinions. So I agree with you there. But at this site, I come to dream. To dream of a future where the Ralph is rockin, TD’s come in fast and furious, and where “the kick”…doesn’t sail wide right!!!
Let’s Go Billlllllllllllllllllssssss!!
I'm still off the bandwagon
I mean, I’m on the Bills bandwagon, just not the Edwards bandwagon.
We all knew the offense HAD to be better this year:
(1) HUGE upgrade at coaching. Not saying Gailey is an offensive guru, but going from having your OC canned just before the start of the season, a disastrous experiment with the no huddle, and then Van Pelt thrown into the job, anything was going to be a huge upgrade.
(2) We couldn’t possibly have as many injuries to the OL as last season (touching wood).
(3) Our inexperienced OL have a year together under their belts.
(4) We spent our first round pick on a playmaker.
I don’t hate Trent. I think he can succeed in the right system (and maybe this is it). But he’s one concussion away from his career being over, still can’t throw a convincing deep ball, isn’t that mobile, and has yet to prove anything against a quality defense.
I’m glad he’s doing well in the preseason because he desperately needed a shot of confidence. But is this guy one of the top 10 QBs in the league? Top 20? Because that’s what we need if we want to go all the way.
Every player is one concussion away from their career being over. What’s your point?
Trent bounced back from his first and only concussion 2 years ago. It’s not as if the guy is Pat LaFontaine. If a guy has persistent migraine headaches, then you can say he’s ‘one concussion away I guess. But nothing I’ve heard indicates that this is the case with Trent (unlike Percy Harvin).
And I don’t agree that he is not mobile. He is mobile. He is just not elusive if that is where you are going. But there are only a handful of QB’s that actually are dangerous as a runner (V. Young and M. Vick possible the only two now in the league).
Finally, no QB is in the Top10 until he proves it. So we shall see. If your question is, can Trent be a Top10 QB, I believe he can. He does not lack any skill required to be a Top10 QB. The only requirement left is for him to throw for over 25 TD’s, have a passer rating above 90 and play in more than 13 games. And that to me, would make him Top10.
by DJ O on Aug 29, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
“Every player is one concussion away from their career being over. What’s your point?”
This is very misleading. Concussions can have serious cumulative effects. Edwards had a bad one two years ago, and had another one against the Jets last year which forced him to miss time. It doesn’t matter who you are. Trent Greene was a tough guy, but everyone’s head has a limit. The league has talked a lot about getting serious about concussions for a reason. You may “bounce back” for the next game but then be drooling into a bib and unable to remember your name by the time you’re forty. I think if Edwards takes another one he’s going to be in that place where a responsible physician would be telling him to hang it up.
Where I “am going” with the “not mobile” comment: He is not elusive, and doesn’t throw well or make great decisions when forced to move.
I think Trent is a smart QB and capable of playing well in the right system. I don’t think he’s got the talent to be a top 10 QB. That’s just one guy’s opinion. I’m not saying this because I hate him, I just haven’t seen signs of his being an elite QB in his play. He’s looked good in a couple of preseason games and I’m hoping he’ll develop under Gailey, but I’m not drinking any kool-aid yet.
by Applsoss on Aug 29, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well said...rec'd
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
You opinion is understood. I disagree with both. Many QB’s have been concussed and keep playing. Kelly’s had over 6 in his career.
Not many QB’s are elusive. Brady, is not fast. Manning, runs like a Giraffe. You don’t need to be elusive in order to win the Superbowl. Trent moves fine in the pocket. He has pocket awareness and quick feet. Understanding defenses, where to delivery the ball and when are much more important factors in playing the position well and leading your team to victory. IMO, Trent has or can further develop these traits in order to be a Top10 QB.
Look at it this way
If he performs well this year, everyone wins. If he stinks it up, the Bills will falter to the bottom of the standings and we’ll very likely take a top college QB in the draft. Win-win.
Blame where you must, be candid where you can, And be each critic the Good-natured Man. - Oliver Goldsmith (Excellent advice)
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But is this guy one of the top 10 QBs in the league? Top 20? Because that’s what we need if we want to go all the way.
Let me turn the question around. As long as we’re ranking…Where would you rank our OL? (as a whole). Is it top 10, top 20? Because that’s where IT needs to be, if we want to go even “part of the way”.
IMO, it’s in the bottom 1/4 and no offense(as a unit) is going anywhere with that and, for that matter, no offense is going to make much progress at getting better.
Aaron Rodgers is a good example. When GB’s OL stunk (and was lumped in with the Bills’), he struggled mightily. Now, all of a sudden, he a “genius” and a “top gun”. Ironically GB made great strides improving it’s OL personnel. Coincidence? I think not.
And now? GB is be mentioned as a team that “can go all the way”!
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
Definitely the OL needs to improve. The comparison with Rodgers doesn’t really work for me because he played great (at least in my opinion) last year behind a lousy line while Trent was terrible behind a lousy line. I think Rodgers is a better QB.
You may be right about the comparison. Aaron played all 16 games in ‘08 and ’09. Trent did not (could not). But, as long as we keep wallowing in OL mediocrity, we’ll truly never know what we have (IMO). I would like to know one way or another.
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
Very valid point Sir!
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Aug 29, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Rogers / Edwards
I don`t think anyone is crazy to compare Edwards with Rogers i`m not sure Edwards is going to be a good QB but he had very bad teaching in the pass. Let see what he do with proper coaching
YEAAAA!
TE BABY! I’m sorry, but I always liked TE (my TT love aside) and thought he could be a better than average QB. I think his coaching before now was terrible and thats what was a big reason for his “failing.” I love that he is doing better, and I hope that all this confidence will lead to a great season. Nothing would make me happier than TE pulling it together and being the franchise for the next ten years!
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by silverstreak3k on Aug 29, 2010 10:16 PM EDT reply actions
It would certainly tick off all the people that said he was terrible and done in Buffalo.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 29, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions

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