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I was reading an article this morning claiming that James Hardy reported to minicamp out of shape and has not stepped it up yet and that he's in danger of not making the final roster.  This got me to thinking about the players on the cusp, that they are in a unique position to basically choose to get cut so that they can play elsewhere.


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Let's take Hardy's case in particular, he's a tall receiver with speed that has good hands.  He plays on a team that is the laughing stock of the league, a team that is poised to become a power running team, a team with an established #1 guy, a team with a 3-headed noodle arm QB competition.  I ask you, where is the motivation to make this roster?  He can simply play poorly, get cut and then get picked up by a team where he can actually have some success.  He's a former 2nd round pick who had a lot of success in college so he'd get another chance and the odds of it being with a better team with a better QB are quite high - so I ask again, what is his motivation to make the roster?

I certainly am not implying that Hardy is deliberately trying to get cut but I would like to raise the possibility that it could happen.  Our team has sunk so low that anything is in the realm of possibility.  I sure am anxious to be proud of this team again.  I think guys like Wood & Kyle Williams are like gold because they are lunch pail type guys that embrace the challenge and opportunity of rebuilding this team, we need to continue to draft players with this type of attitude and work ethic.

Now I will leave you with a poll, remember that I am not talking about bad players.  I am referring to players who have played themselves onto the cusp and essentially can decide their future.  Guys who would surely get picked up elsewhere.  To me this situation just adds to the importance of having a very experienced coach and GM because they need to be able to read through the tea leaves and address these situations.  How can a team get better if they let the potential talent just walk away?  Buddy sure has his work cut out for him!

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So do you think my conspiracy theory is possible? Do you think cusp players (like Hardy) actually would prefer getting cut than being depth on a bad team?
Absolutely
39 votes
No way
178 votes

217 votes | Poll has closed

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This is pretty far-fetched for a guy like Hardy, who hasn’t proven jack crap at this level. A veteran that’s actually accomplished something? I might listen to that.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 3, 2010 7:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Are you saying that it’s impossible for him to get cut?
Or that he wouldn’t land somewhere else?

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 3, 2010 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m saying that exactly zero players with an ounce of sanity that have proven what Hardy has proven – i.e. nothing – would actively try to get cut from an NFL team.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 3, 2010 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

so you don’t think another team would pick him up?

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 3, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but he wouldn’t come in with the status of a 2nd round pick with a fairly solid shot at the roster. he’d come in as even more a fringe player and for someone that has proven exactly nothing that isn’t a risk he’s likely to take.

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by ausbillsfan on Aug 3, 2010 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know, but that has nothing to do with the point I’m trying to make here.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 3, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

agree

That’s like working hard to get the promotion, and then after a year or two you quit, before you have another job. No reason for anyone to necessarily be desperate to have you, you need a job, and they don’t necessarily need you. Had you stayed where you were, worked and got noticed, you might have a chance at that dream promotion with the better employer, without being thrust into limbo for no reason. I doubt you would just walk outta you’re job just because you weren’t the most important person there, if there was a chance you were gonna be the “second in command” (or in this case second WR)
because of this, he has as good of a shot as most of these guys at not only being on the roster, but seing gameplay, and particularly in the red zone. This is not the world’s least appealing option for him.

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by Ren Diggity on Aug 3, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec’d

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Aug 3, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. If you are a cusp player for the Bills, what are you to most other teams in the league.

by bluecollarbuffalo on Aug 4, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

no way

why would he tarnish his image in the eyes of the other teams. my guess is since he has had sports hernia surgery in the offseason that he had issues with conditioning as the layoff from surgeries such as those is 6 weeks.

by gatornation on Aug 3, 2010 7:51 AM EDT reply actions  

this is the NFL.. you never know whats going to happen when you leave one team.

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by ausbillsfan on Aug 3, 2010 7:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Statistically, Yes, probability slim as in Very.

Just my opinion. It would make more sense if he had one year of NFL experience as a quality wide out. Hardy has had none. Most are in it for the money and glory in hopes of getting more money. Hardy was a second round pick but was also like the fifth WR taken that year. Guessing on the fifth. I would be more concerned with his desire to be a good WR. Reputations travel with players from team to team. I seriously doubt his work ethic supports this claim where his injury history does support it. Thus meaning minimum based contract in the near future for any team. Similar to Chad Jackson.

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by VanScottM on Aug 3, 2010 8:42 AM EDT reply actions  

That’s not really the point that I was trying to make. At this point in his contract even if he cracks the line-up on this team – he won’t have any mind blowing numbers because we are (a) in full rebuilding mode (b) By all indications we are becoming a run-first type of offense © we don’t have a QB that can throw the ball downfield

So based on the fact that his numbers won’t be mind blowing anyways, if he hooks up with another team at the league minimum for 1-2 years but with a team that actually can pass the ball downfield, he can actually break out and 3-5 years from now will be much richer for it. Is it a chance to take? Sure but if he’s confident in his abilities then maybe it makes sense to take a step back to reposition himself in a better situation? Its sort of like when Anthony Hargrove departed our team, I’m not sure how motivated he was to remain a Buffalo Bill. He obviously was not BFF with Jauron and so he gets cut. Do you think for one second that getting cut was a bad thing for him? Was he worth keeping? Was getting cut good for his career?

I’m just saying that an argument could be made in the case of Hardy when you consider where he is in his current contract and consider the total lack of talent at QB to help him make a push before he’s up for his next contract. I’m not sure that he has that much to loose by getting cut because I am certain that some team will pick him up, 6’5" 220lbs that runs a 4.47… think about it for a few seconds… Sure his first year was non eventful but did he have a good OC? did he have a good QB? then he got injured and the FO really gave him time to heal properly – so from an injury standpoint he’s not that big of a risk for other teams.

My guess is that if he would get cut and be willing to accept a 2y min deal somewhere, he’d have multiple offers to choose from and he could go to a team where he’d have a chance to play for a real QB on a team that actually can be efficient in the passing game. Possible destinations that could take a flier on a big target like Hardy: NYG, Falcons, Steelers, Chiefs to name a few.

Hey listen, maybe I’m wrong but I just can’t see him not landing somewhere.
a team that can’t really pass the ball, he’s not going to have a breakout season

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 3, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

we don’t have a QB that can throw the ball downfield

I have to disagree with this. It’s not that they can’t, it’s that they didn’t with much frequency. I know Edwards can do it. We’ve seen it happen with throws to Parrish for one. One of Fitzpatrick’s more enjoyable attributes is his willingness to air it out at any cost. And then Brohm, in his lone start…he goes and throws a hail mary early on in the game.

So they can most certainly air it out. We have to learn if they were told not to do it, or had no confidence in their teammates to do so on a regular basis.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 3, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

useless argument

We’ve been discussing for the past 8months how bad our QB & Oline situation is so I’m certainly not going to waste any more time on this subject.

Just look at how bad Lee’s numbers have been. Last year we had arguably two #1 receivers, which both combined for only 99 catches, 1441y and a miserable 12 TDs. Clearly the offensive system does not favor receivers (whether it’s the QB, the line, the coaches or the system or all of the above)

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 3, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

“If you’re gunna spew, spew into this…”

Wes Welker
14 games: 123 receptions for 1348 yards with 4 TDs

Evans and Owens
16 games (32 if you want to get technical): 99 receptions for 1441 yards with 12 TDs.

Yup. Gross.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 3, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love power running football (Parcell’s type football) and I get the feeling that that is what we will be this year, which gives me some hope. If we can use the strength of our line (the middle) and run the ball effectively, then maybe, just maybe we’ll be able to do some effective play-action passing down field. With guys like Johnson and Easley, both big physical receivers who run block very well, we should be able to establish a strong running game.

That is what I am expecting out of the 2010 Buffalo Bills.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 3, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

NO HuWAY

If Hardy get’s cut from the Bills (who have no proven #2 receiver or QB) that’s basically saying you can’t play anywhere. If you can’t make a wide open roster where you’re competing vs several rookies for the 4th or 5th spot at WR, I think your reputation would be more or less irreparable. Gailey recently said his first impression of the guy was that he was “average” as well.

There’s no way someone as unproven as Hardy would try to get cut for a contract elsewhere. Other coaches would not sign someone who cannot beat players for a backup spot who were taken 5 rounds after him (Stevie J.) or a slew of rookies all taken in later rounds than himself or undrafted (Easley, Roosevelt et al.)

Circle them wagons!

by B3@$TMoD3 on Aug 3, 2010 9:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Getting cut by the Bills

is not exactly an endorsement.

by cmeid on Aug 3, 2010 9:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Unless you play OL, it seems.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 3, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think other teams would realize that we’ve been a team without anyone at the helm, no offensive direction and no QB. Surely that would weigh into the decision. Do you honestly think that Hardy would not get a chance somewhere else? 6’5" 220lbs that ran a 4.47? I think he would. And it really doesn’t matter which team gives him that chance, chances are the QB and offensive situation would be better.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 3, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

If it took Owens month and months to find a team, I think Hardy would struggle to catch on to a roster not decimated by injuries.

If he has quit in him, he’d be lucky to land on any practice squad.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 3, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s your opinion.

TO is a proven locker room Cancer that is 36 years old and most important point, he expected (a) a decent size coin and (b) coming in as the #1 or #2 receiver. He’s burnt so many bridges it’s even surprizing that he found a job at all, mind you it is the Bengals after all.

Hardy got drafted by a very bad team, he did poorly in his rookie season (sure) but then got injured. Good receivers look bad when they don’t have a decent Q throwing them the ball, proof in question: Evans & Owens
There’s no way a guy like Hardy would not land somewhere if he was willing to take a 2y contract for the minimum.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 3, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing for me is this: Owens has proven what he can contribute on the football field. He managed 855 yards and (I think) 5 TDs on a team with no identity, and no direction—at 35/36. Can Hardy offer any of that on an open market?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 3, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

probably not

David Nelson was taking first team reps in what I would assume would be Hardys’ spot!! I think they might move on w/o Hardy.

That was not a laterall!!!

by brendar of the bills people on Aug 3, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hardy had no chance after Jauron signed Owens. He was so affraid of TO there was no way that he would have sat him out, heck he didn’t even make him practice on Fridays.

The only reason TO got 55 throws was because they were affraid of him imploding. The QBs were being instructed to try and get TO the ball. It kills me how people disregard the fact that T.O. drops almost half the intended passes his way. That is huge when you consider a team that has a poor oline and doesn’t get to pass the ball that often. Had there been another receiver taking those same reps (like a stevie Johnson) maybe he would have hauled in over 1000yards and more TDs. TO is a shadow of his former self, the fact that he can makes so much noise is the only reason why he gets the ball as often as he does.

The reason Hardy would get a chance is not because of what he’s done but because of his un-explored potential

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 3, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hardy had no chance after Jauron signed Owens. He was so affraid of TO there was no way that he would have sat him out, heck he didn’t even make him practice on Fridays.

The only reason TO got 55 throws was because they were affraid of him imploding. The QBs were being instructed to try and get TO the ball.

Please know i’m not trying to argue with you, at least in any heated sense of the word.

I don’t think Hardy should have had a chance after Owens was signed. He’s Owens, and his worst day was better than nearly any day of James Hardy’s illustrious Bills career. He’s done squat, save for that one TD vs Jacksonville (garbage against NE doesn’t count).

But to return to the quote of yours I pulled…

We don’t know for sure what happened with Owens’ game in Buffalo. It’s unfair to say that anyone was instructed— ney forced— to pander to Owens’ high maintenence play. I seem to recall during most games where they ignored throwing him the ball until well into the end of the 3rd quarter.

Hardy has so much to prove before anyone can trust his ability. He’s known for being and oft-injured, rarely used 2nd-round draft pick. Even before Owens, people were all about Steve Johnson, not James Hardy. No one was in a huge hurry to get him back from injury because he gave no one a reason to believe in his game at the NFL level.

I hope he makes the team. Hell, I hope he becomes a stud, finally replacing the type of production we saw in Eric Moulds, and allowing Evans to become his own form of Peerless Price. I’m just not going to bet on it yet.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 3, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I meant to say was that none of our young receivers had a chance in hell once TO came into town. I fully agree that Stevie showed way more than Hardy ever has and even he never got a chance last year. Actually if you remember, I have always been a firm believer in Scuba Steve’s ability. I was lobbying unsuccessfully last year for Reed to give up some reps to Stevie and I also suggested that Owens could also sit out a few plays – most Rumblers thought i was crazy! My main point was that the season was pretty much over and we should have been playing our young guys to get a good look at them, we knew that reed and Owens would be gone (the writing was pretty much on the wall)

I think teams would be interested in Hardy’s potential certainly not what he’s proven, which is absolutely nothing. I think he still has potential because he’s been in such an anemic offensive system that I’m not sure you can only blame him for his lack of development.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 3, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I won’t be surprised if Hardy’s role becomes similar to Jackson’s role in Buffalo: roster Spoiler.

I agree with you about last season, though with so many rumblers, I struggle to remember your viewpoint. Perry was coaching for his next job and I bet experimentation was the last thing on his mind. But yes, it would have been more than great if Hardy and Johnson got game experience during the dirge of last season.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 3, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

*Chad Jackson

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 3, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

Circle them wagons!

by B3@$TMoD3 on Aug 3, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the player is only on the cusp of making the Bills roster, how is he going to get anything even resembling playing time on a good team?

Hardy is an intriguing example though. I agree with everybody else that it’s a little too conspiracy theory that a young player would want to get cut to land in a better situation, but it does make you think. Even though Hardy can’t realistically put up great numbers here, I’d have to think that 10-20 catches and a TD or two in a rotation at WR is more than he can put up on any other team, especially if he’s joining that team after the season starts. He’s only in Buffalo for two more years and I think he’s far more likely to put himself in position to land a contract where he wants if he sticks it out here than trying to find a team mid season that will give him any playing time over that same time period.

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by kaisertown on Aug 3, 2010 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

but that is my point

with only 2 more years, he won’t prove anything here, in a situation where we won’t be passing the ball much.

Get cut, accept the minimum for a 2y contract with a team that actually has a decent passing offense, like a NYG, Steelers, Falcons – all teams that could use a tall, big, speed receiver. The Giants are a particularly interesting team because they never really replaced Plaxico and have never really recovered. They had Hixon but waived him due to injury. Actually, if Nix is considering releasing Hardy, he should look into a potential trade with the Giants. Sending Hardy and our #2 pick next year for William Beatty (OT) or Hardy and our #3 pick next year for Diehl – either way it would probably be a win-win for both teams.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 3, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Hardy brings it, then there should be less of a reason the coaches want to run the ball all the time. If Hardy gets it and Evans gets free, the ball will move quicker and they become multi-dimensional.

At this point, Hardy just needs to get on the gameday field and make plays. The problem is he’s way behind Steve Johnson.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 3, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

You forget my friend that our main problem in the passing game is not the #2 receiver and I’d even say that it’s not entirely because of our noodle arm captain checkdown either, it’s the inconsistency at the line. Until we can protect the QB on a consistent basis, it’s hard to blame any other position. The poor pass protection is causing a lot of the checkdowns and affects the playcalling. I sincerely hope that the GAiley system is focussed on inside power running because I think that it is the strongest part of our line and we now have a monster backfield. Success in this area should open up some play-action passing.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 3, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you’d bet your NFL career on the fact that you think someone, has to be lining up for a receiver that had a slew of questions surrounding him on draft day… Has done nothing in the pro’s and is still recovering from an injury…?

I wouldn’t. I’d happily sit and take my rookie contract and attempt to get on the field in the hopes that someone would grab me when my contract was up or trade for me. A much more likely option than praying for someone to grab you once you’ve been cut.

by aquias on Aug 3, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we can all agree that most of what’s in front of the RBs are the Bills’ biggest problems.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 3, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh yes and that’s a very BIG yes indeed!

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 3, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would Hardy see the field for those teams? The Giants have Smith, Nicks and Manningham and Hardy would be competing with Ramses Barden and Derek Hagan for a backup job. How does that make him more likely to get paid down the road?

He doesn’t need gaudy stats to end up in a good position. He needs to show the rest of the league what he can do on the field. When real scouts watch tape, they don’t care whether or not he catches the ball, they’re watching him run routes and try to get seperation from end zone and overhead camera angles. His best chance to impress another team is probably in Buffalo.

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by kaisertown on Aug 3, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

How does that make him more likely to get paid down the road?

It’s about time that someone asks!! I simply think that he’d get a ton more chances with an effective offense like the Giants, their Oline is great, their running game is great and they have a great QB. The Giants love having a big target at the WR spot. Would he beat out the top 3? I doubt it. Could he establish himself over the other 3, I certainly think so, especially that he would be the biggest target they’d have, they could find ways of working him in. He needs to be in a good passing offense to get the chances and I believe that he could carve out a spot with the Giants. All he needs is to show the 31 other teams that he can play the game, then he can shop his services in 2y. Whereas, do you honestly think that he can show anything by the end of 2011 if he stays in Buffalo? Certainly not this year and the odds of us getting a rookie QB next year are quite high. And furthermore, Easley was drafted by Chix and is not only a big tall specimen but he’s faster and more physical. Not sure that Hardy has much future in Buffalo.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 3, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it is more likely that the Bills ended up missing when they drafted him then you’re conspiracy. Last nights practice notes showed even when the Bills go to 4 wide Hardy isn’t apart of the first offense. I think he might have the physical skills to play, and he shows that on occasion, but I don’t think he has the mental make up to be consistent enough.

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by Ghetts on Aug 3, 2010 12:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Last nights practice notes showed even when the Bills go to 4 wide Hardy isn’t apart of the first offense.

In my opinion, this is very alarming.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 3, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

speed

keysh, good post. Out of the box, but still interesting. I don’t give Hardy enough credit to think he could execute such a plan, but I also don’t think he would make much noise on a passing team. The reason is something I disagree with that I saw you mention 4 times now. Speed.

He may have run a 4.47 at one point, but I don’t think that # translates to game speed for James. He has looked slow on every play I’ve seen him play for Buffalo. He has yet to find a way to separate fro the defender. Untill he proves otherwise, he’s very limited in what he offers to a roster

I think he’s an asset, though, with the constantly talked about (and rarely seen) red zone advantage he could have. I do see him picked up by another team if he’s cut by Buffalo. I’d like the Bills to retain him for those situations, but it might be a tough roster spot to spend on a running team.

Bring on the 2010 NFL season! Go Bills!

by Undee on Aug 3, 2010 1:01 PM EDT reply actions  

you might have a point regarding game speed vs combine speed.

I personally think that Nix would look to trade him before releasing him. Maybe package Hardy & Florence + a 2011 4th rounder in exchange for Gaither. They definitely need a CB, their tallest receiver is 6’1" and other than Heap at 6’5" they don’t have very tall redzone targets. Clayton & Stallworth are both short and average. Mason is an old man that is 1y away from retirement.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 3, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Undee, great point. I still think these guys’ combine speed should be measured in full NFL gear. That’s when they’re going to be running full speed.

Also, Hardy’s speed is the last attribute I come to when thinking of him.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 3, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hardy hasnt ever been any good...........

he has no power over anyone.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 3, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Yup. I won’t be surprised if his nickname becomes James Hardly. I don’t need to eat my words if he explodes on the field. I want this to happen.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 3, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, the Hardy argument is ridiculous. If you wanted to make it for Youboty or another DB I might buy it but.

Hardy had an early round contract so he’s paid ok.
He has produced nothing as of yet.
There is probably NO other team (ok maybe the rams) with more opportunity for a WR to grab playing time than the bills right now.

I bet it happens, but Hardy is a terrible example

by Nick Holt on Aug 3, 2010 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Didn't read all the comments

Didn’t read all the comments so i apologize if this was already stated. Personally I don’t think that Hardy has the intelligence level to conjuror up the plan to deliberately get cut. Everything that I’ve been told, is that he is the most moronic member of the bills organization,

by weebey on Aug 3, 2010 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

you’re probably right because when interviewed he sounds pretty dumb.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 3, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not impossible, but improbable.

by billskk69 on Aug 3, 2010 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

GARY ANDERSON....

I’ve heard this story a million times, don’t know if it’s true…gary anderson the long-time, many time pro-bowl kicker for the steelers used to be a Bill, i guess. the story goes that he was tampered with; that is the stealers told him to miss and then they would sign him to their winning organization., anyone else hear of this?

GO BILLS!

by podunkowego on Aug 3, 2010 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Hardy

Hardy has proven nothing, but he’s prone to injury. He has nothing to gain to try to be cut.

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by buffalobacker on Aug 4, 2010 2:07 AM EDT reply actions  

The Hardy example may be fa fetched, but anyone who believes that this doesn't happen every year in the NFL is just naive.

Some players do this all the time. They don’t like where they’re drafted, don’t get used properly and then find a way to get off the team. Star players do it all the time in the form of a hold out, why the heck wouldn’t cusp players do it to simply get cut and seek employment elsewhere?

Sure it’s a risky proposition, there is no guarantee that they would get signed to another team, but it does happen.

Dear God,
If we give you the Jonas Brothers, can you please give us back Jimi Hendrix?
Amen

by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 4, 2010 5:55 AM EDT reply actions  

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