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Wilson: Bills, Spiller Have Made Progress In Negotiations

I believe I'm as weary as you are of discussing the C.J. Spiller holdout, but when there's news to discuss, we discuss the news. Perhaps fortunately for the Buffalo Bills and their first-round pick, there is more news to report here.

Allen Wilson of The Buffalo News appeared on ESPNews Monday, as reported by KFFL, and said that the Bills and Spiller's agent, Gary Wichard, had "moved forward in negotiations," but that the two sides still aren't particularly close to reaching a deal. Wilson believes a deal could be completed by later this week, or by early next week.

The parameters for a Spiller deal are already set. Spiller is one of just three first-round picks that have not yet reported to camp, joining Detroit's Ndamukong Suh (No. 2 overall) and Seattle's Russell Okung (No. 6 overall). He is the lowest-drafted rookie that remains unsigned, excluding the unfortunately injured Sergio Kindle of Baltimore.

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lets hope we don’t come last in this one as well hey.

"AND THEY KNOW that I come stronger every time so to me all of that CRAP they talk of my BILLS WILL NOT BREAK ME , I HAVE THE HEART OF THE BUUFALO the strength of the OF THE MOUNTAIN , THE FURY OF THE THUNDER AND MY WILL IS UNBREAKABLE , I will not surrender to KNOW ONE" Abayarde, the man who puts the rUmBlE in rumblings.

by ausbillsfan on Aug 3, 2010 7:53 AM EDT reply actions  

indeed, mate

and i mean that without the tiniest hint of sarcasm, as in no disrespect. Mad respect for anyone that keeps up with the bills, and isn’t even in 100 mile radius. (at least, i assume… i recall a discussion a while ago that you were Australian, yeah? Living there currently? Do you even get to see the games?)

"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet

by Ren Diggity on Aug 3, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Performance Incentives

are probably the problem. If Spiller was drafted by a team that clearly needed a running back and was being pencilled in as the starter, then the performance incentives would be easier to agree to. In this case the Bills have TWO starting caliber backs on the team and it’s still not clear how he’ll be used. If I’m his agent, I don’t want my client being penalized because of that. They’ll get it done.

by MrFurious1 on Aug 3, 2010 7:59 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I bet you’re on to something here. It’s likely he’s concerned that he may not have as many opportunities as he would if jumping into, say, a situation like Tennessee offered Johnson.

"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 3, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I heard the issue is the amount of guaranteed money that Spiller’s agent wants. Supposedly he wants over-slot guaranteed money and the Bills clearly haven’t given in. His slot leaves a lot of room for negotiation.

by Jeff Winters on Aug 3, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

doesn't wanna be Chris Johnson in two years

battling for what he deserves? Man… I was personally hoping it was all statistically based incentives that they were ironing out, so that his guarantees could be escalated based on performance. Just saying “gimme, gimme” could hurt my opinion… of his agent. haha. Pay the kid. It’s likely the last year of this, and you know you’re gonna, and you know it’s cuz you want the kid on the field, so he can fill the seats. Thus, it pays for itself. Suck it up, and look forward to the future, and a rookie cap.

"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet

by Ren Diggity on Aug 3, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

chris johnson was drafted late in the first round and turned in a record breaking season that allows him to ask for more money – spiller is already going to make way more than that, no matter what.

by quantumuprising on Aug 3, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any chance...

Bills FO is drawing a line in the sand. This group seems pretty old school and I wonder if they play hardball. Part of me likes that, part of me a little scared they waste a great pick.

Things should be made as simple as possible... and no simpler.

by garcia76 on Aug 3, 2010 8:06 AM EDT reply actions  

No Chance

The parameters are set. They can’t afford to not get this done in year one of the rebuild. I say it’s done by Sunday at the latest.

by MrFurious1 on Aug 3, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’d think so, right? I still think it’s a crock that the parameters need to be set.

I fail to see how a LB, DT, WR, QB, OL, or DB can or should affect Spiller, given that they don’t play the same position. It’s too hard to match their skill sets. It’s like Bradford, who you could argue is the CEO on the field, being used as a ceiling for the salary of Suh…much further down on the “employee responsibility” chain. Maybe i’m insane to try and make this comparison.

To me, Spiller should be rated against other RBs drafted in the first round this year, and last year’s RB selection at or ahead of his slot.

"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 3, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think I agree for the draft

It’s a fact that it happens in free agency, but in the draft there’s no precedent for “positional” pay except for QB (and I think that’s bunk). You get picked where you get picked and that’s how you get paid.

I’m amazed at how low the money is for a 3rd rounder compared to a first. I can see why some teams trade down.

by MrFurious1 on Aug 3, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

no precedent for "positional" pay except for QB (and I think that’s bunk)

There… that’s better. : )


I’m amazed at how low the money is for a 3rd rounder compared to a first. I can see why some teams trade down.

The dropoff occurs in the first round really, it is only the top 15 (thru maybe 20) that make RIDICULOUS bank for having never even stepped on an NFL practice field. By the second and third, these guys are making relative pennies, and late picks are practically paying us to be here (not really of course, because personally i think they would, if it meant they have a chance to play)

"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet

by Ren Diggity on Aug 3, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed and rec'd

I also am not so sure the given parameters are all that helpful here.

If you look at the remaining unsigned 1st rounders, Suh, Okung, and Spiller, they’re all the #1 picks in their respective positions, and they’re all considered immediate game-changers. These guys’ agents are negotiating for premiums (above and beyond the parameters) to demonstrate the ‘standoutness’ of the players from the rest of the field.

It’s a testament to the fact that we drafted a game-changer and not just a great player. I’m hopeful he signs soon, but I’d not be surprised to see the holdout linger into the preseason.

by adamsam on Aug 3, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

ugh... i wanted to agree with you so bad

except that i can’t see the amount being so egregiously different that it takes until preseason. I do agree that these guys are game changers, but that most of the 1st rounders should be this… that’s why the teams valued them the most ie. selected them first.

"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet

by Ren Diggity on Aug 3, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

laughing...

because I actually want to disagree with myself :)

I’d be so happy if Spiller was in camp now.

Yeah, I hear ya, I just think we’re dealing with this notion of, “I was the top game-changer at my position chosen – everyone else was someone teams had to settle for.”

by adamsam on Aug 3, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

I think Spiller is that good at his position to warrant more $$$.

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by buffalobacker on Aug 4, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

today

Today’s practice is practice #8 and day 6.

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by VanScottM on Aug 3, 2010 8:47 AM EDT reply actions  

First preseason game

If Spiller plays in this, you can color me happy.

by eze on Aug 3, 2010 8:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Holdouts suck!!!

Anytime there is a holdout there is such a high percentage of disappointment after the player signs(especially rookies). They just never seem to transition into the flow of what is going on. The longer the hold-out the worst the scenario. I have no physical proof of this theory I’ve just seen it happen time after time…

Maybin held-out for last year until August 21st were he missed 20+ days of practice and 3 pre-season games—-he still is trying to transition in! He never caught up with the rest of the team…

Jimmy McGinty: You know what the difference is between a winner and a loser?

Shane Falco: The score.

by Goose22 on Aug 3, 2010 8:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Michael Crabtree was excellent after his holdout last year. All that matters is the talent of the player. Spiller will be fine.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 3, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

There is no doubt that Spiller is a talent, at the RB position he has a better chance of catching up. Crabtree did come in and light it up but he was an exception. The Bills Maybin, and Bengals Andre Smith certainly could have used a full training camp…

Jimmy McGinty: You know what the difference is between a winner and a loser?

Shane Falco: The score.

by Goose22 on Aug 3, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

So Maybin

will have two years of OTA’s, one season, and a full training camp. He’s either good or he’s not. Show it to us little man.

by MrFurious1 on Aug 3, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crabtree was a bit of an exception

and many people seem to have just overlooked that i think. He slipped, even though he was the more productive, and he doesn’t have the “Calvin Johnson” hype around how tough he had it to transition and step up and be the guy and blah blah blizzzzah….. he just came in and produced primarily because of his talent. No doubt CJ Spiller can do this, but you could question whether he will… and whether this hurts the speed he learns the offense in real time. Just because your talented, doesn’t mean that you won’t need or benefit from the reps. Especially, as I like to point out, when it helps the guys around you understand your instincts and reads, and what they are going to have to do in order to help him find success. (beyond just blocking, as that is kinda obvious. An example might be that Eric Wood, can have a chance to learn early that he only needs to chip a DTand then move directly to an MLB or OLB because CJ will be SO UNBELIEVABLY QUICK to the outside, that the interior lineman no longer have relevance haha )

"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet

by Ren Diggity on Aug 3, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ren...

very good points!

Jimmy McGinty: You know what the difference is between a winner and a loser?

Shane Falco: The score.

by Goose22 on Aug 3, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would you also say

by this logic, Maybin has a lack of talent?

Bring on the 2010 NFL season! Go Bills!

by Undee on Aug 3, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait

Only he, Suh, and Okung remain to be signed? Has Bradford signed? I thought the paragraph I read concerning him and 50 million was just conjecture.

"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Song recommendation of the week: Kings of Leon - Manhattan

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 3, 2010 8:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Grr. “Only he” ?? Fail.

"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Song recommendation of the week: Kings of Leon - Manhattan

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 3, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

He could bomb in year 1 and never have to work another day in his life—if he hires a financial advisor.

"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Song recommendation of the week: Kings of Leon - Manhattan

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 3, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Unreal huh? 50 mil garunteed… Amazing…

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by bflo on Aug 3, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s also unreal how the Rams are 6-42 in the last 3 seasons.

"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Song recommendation of the week: Kings of Leon - Manhattan

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 3, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

ouch

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Aug 3, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Imagine how boisterously fans must have celebrated 6 times in 3 years!

"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 3, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t need to hire a financial adviser. I think I could pace myself on $50M.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 3, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

very, very easily

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Aug 3, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope he gets signed around 10:37 today!! I think that was my pick for the spiller signing t-shirt contest

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Aug 3, 2010 9:00 AM EDT reply actions  

I’ve got a full week to wait. Honestly, I can see it dragging out that long.

"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Song recommendation of the week: Kings of Leon - Manhattan

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 3, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought he would have been signed shortly after Mathews was… I hope they get him in here this week so he can play vs Wash on the 13th.

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by bflo on Aug 3, 2010 9:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Well maybe

its a good thing he has shown up at least he is not injuried….jk about that I would love to see this guy in by the beginning of next week. Buffalo needs to just give him the money end of story, stop messing around and get this deal done. We need him he can play all over the field I just wish he could play OT haha not really….BUT GET THE DEAL DONE

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by BillsStampede34 on Aug 3, 2010 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

stop drafting around the top ten....

and this BS stops happening.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 3, 2010 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

WGRZ asked Nix today about Spiller. His response: “Nothing yet.”

by Brian Galliford on Aug 3, 2010 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Suh just signed

WTF Buddy?

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Aug 3, 2010 8:16 PM EDT reply actions  

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