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The Buffalo Bills have just finished their 3rd preseason game against the Cincinatti Bengals in what was mostly an up and down affair.  The offense looked good at times, the defense looked vulnerable and the special teams looked mostly below average.  I noticed a few things but wanted other opinions and observations from "the masses". 

I'm going to break these down into sections for the different units.

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Special Teams

It's amazing to me the difference between last years unit and this years unit so far.  To say i'm unimpressed would be an understatement.  Ultimately we don't know if they are trying guys out or different tactics, but DeHaven better stop the suck-fest that is our special teams or his unit is going to kill games for us.

The kickers look good, obviously, so i'm not particularly worried about them. 

But, what if our coverage units continue to be terrible?  Do we get to a point where DeHaven should just tell Moorman to kick it out of bounds every time? 

I can't imagine a scenario where kicking a kick off out of bounds is a good idea because of the ball placement at the 40, but if we are routinely giving up kick returns longer than that should we tell Lindell just to kick it out of bounds too? 

Obviously it's way to early to get desperate, but it's something to keep an eye on.  Our coverage units are cover your eyes awful.

Defense

Was it me or did Dwan Edwards have a bad game this past game?  I didn't focus on him too much, but when I did I was underwhelmed.

Did anyone pay specific attention to Troup?  I saw a few good penetrations out of him but was focusing on different things at different times...

Our run defense has been awful and our pass defense got shredded by Carson Palmer and Peyton Manning.  I know those 2 are considered as upper echelon QBs - but the lack of a pass rush is going to kill any chance this team has to succeed this season.

I don't want to be doom and gloom on the defense yet because I really didn't see many blitz packages - did anyone else see any blitzes from the starting defense?  If so, what positions were the blitzers coming from? 

I saw Andre Davis have a great stop in the backfield on a well executed blitz - but that was about it.

How many more holding penalties does Drayton have before Leodis is starting?

I think I like George Wilson a lot - probably more than Whitner.  Speaking of Whitner, he needs to stop lowering his head when tackling - he misses tackles and he's got to protect himself better.  Keep your head up man!

A Maybin note - this kid goes all out.  He's young and is going all out on every snap.  He needs time to grow into his body and the NFL in general - but he's got the work ethic that you want in a young player.  He may have been a "luxury pick"  that the Bills couldn't afford - but in a few years he could end up being a great player for us.

Offense

CJ Spiller is awesome.  He'll get accustomed to the NFL and the negative runs won't be as frequent, but how can you leave that guy off the field?  You can't - he's too good.

Was it me or did Trent look extremely accurate?  His throws were on the money all night.  He did over throw Lee (how?) but it was another deep shot.  Come to think of it - he threw a lot more intermediate routes than I expected and it was nice.

Speaking of accurate - did anyone else notice the out pattern to Roscoe that was on the sidelines?  On. The. Money. - Roscoe is 5'9 and that was a great, great throw.

Is anyone else excited to have Marshawn and Spiller in the backfield at the same time?  I am stoked - I love me some Fred Jackson - but that position just went from great to something better than great. 

Was that James Hardy's final call?  Or will the Lions game be?

I think Stupar is going to be solid, but unspectacular.  He's going to make some decent plays for us and thats needed.  He's one of those guys that's going to be in the right spot at the right time. 

Anyone else love the screen pass to McIntyre?  Great call.

Is Roscoe in for a bigger year than most of us think?  I know i've seen some bold predictions for him, but he could truly be special in this offense.  He's not going to be Welker, but could be an upgrade from Josh Reed - time will tell.

I'm not sure if Jamon Meredith can play RT, but i'm pretty sure that Cornell Green can't play RT either - so do we put Meredith over there even if he isn't suited for RT?

Coaching

DeHaven - so this is the guy whos unit is responsible for the biggest ST blunder in Bills history (yes, debatable) and we bring him back?  Ummm - he better pull his head out of the sand quick because color me unimpressed.

Edwards - better have a solution to the massive lanes our run defense is giving RBs.  Better have a solution for getting after the other teams QBs while you're at it. 

Gailey - is that what an offense looks like?  Amazing - it's like I saw crossing patterns, well executed screens and intermediate throws as well as long passing.  I'll have to rewatch because i'm not sure if what I saw actually existed.

Sad question of the day

Will it be Buffalo Bills irony if our offense puts up points on the board this year but our special teams and defense loses us games?

Just another great fan opinion shared on the pages of BuffaloRumblings.com.

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I read a similar comment on another post....

but i would be down for some offensive slugfests for a year or two, even if our record doesnt improve. i do love defensive smash mouth football…but in the fantasy football era it will at least give the bills some “life” in the media.

by NHBillzFan on Aug 30, 2010 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

You nailed it about Whitner. Guys gotta keep his head up. Every tackle he makes is a “hit stick.” Hes got to start just wrapping them up and stop this nonsense… yes he’ll have his chances to lay someone out… but it cant be every play. Just tackle them Donte.

The screen to McIntyre was beautiful. Loved it. Hope we see that during the regular season.

Roscoe… hopefully this is the year. I think it can be.

Good mind dump J2.

Where else would you rather be?

by bflo on Aug 30, 2010 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I haven't seen the Cinci game

YET, but will tonight. From what I’ve read, I didn’t hear anything mentioned as far as James Hardy goes, other than ONE catch. I think he’s seen his days in a Bills uniform! This regime isn’t loyal to any of the previous regime’s players AT ALL……. and from the sounds of things, he’s going to be beat out of a roster spot by a rookie.

It’s sad really. 2nd rounder. We wanted size @ the WR spot and got it w/ Hardy. Supposidly STUDIED under the wings of T.O. for an entire year! He just cannot stay on the field. We still don’t know what there is in him yet, and cuts are right around the corner. He better have a DAMN good game vs Detroit, but we all know the 1’s will be off the field in no time, just so we can see who WILL be on the roster.

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by Pocono Bob on Aug 30, 2010 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I didn’t hear anything mentioned as far as James Hardy goes, other than ONE catch

don’t forget the 2 dropped passes and illegal motion penalty :-)

I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....

by J2 on Aug 30, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im pretty sure if it wasnt for Dwan Edwards, Maybin wouldnt have gotten his first sack on the game....

so while he may not be getting the style points, he’s doing the job he was brought here to do.

I came late, didnt get to see much of Troup either, I heard some rumblings that he played rather well.

Im holding my breath with Roscoe because I swear every year we get told this is the year he’s gonna break out, then he all but disappears in the Reg Season

Im hoping Lynch can break out big in Freddy’s absence……..him and CJ in the backfield together sounds awfully nice.

Im totally with you on Donte………..and 100% with Wilson as well.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 30, 2010 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

on Dwan – It wasn’t just his issue – but i saw some over persuing from the DE’s that allowed cut-back lanes – then again – the LB should be cleaning that up.

on Roscoe – difference is we’ve actyually seen it this preseason!

I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....

by J2 on Aug 30, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im not sure what the job for the DE's are in Edwards' D.......but the majority of the time his position would be to ensure outside contain, so that nothing gets by him.......

and so a cut back should be what happens, and yes…..a LB, one of the ILB should be there to clean it up………

but again I have no way of knowing assignments on any one particular play.

Chan Gailey's #1 Fan!

by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 30, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

right – I saw Dwan get pushed past the cutback lane a couple times and wasn’t sure if that’s his responsibility to set the edge or the LB’s to clean that up.

regardless – i’m 100% sure they’ve already watched the game and discussed the run stopping issues.

i’d love for some coaches tape of games

I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....

by J2 on Aug 30, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybin got his first sack because of McCargo's penetration/pressure

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 30, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I rewatched the game last night and McCargo looked pretty good out there – I think he’s going to stick

I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....

by J2 on Aug 31, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

my 2 cents

As far as special teams go, I’m not real concerned. First off, we know there are players missing, and the talent will get better when the season begins. Also, is it possible that at least on returns and such, that DeHaven is holding back? Also, it seemed to me on many occasions that Moorman missed locations on punts this week (based on his own reactions after kicking the ball), and in other weeks seemed to out-kick his coverage, something he usually doesnt do. I’m not saying I am concerned, or that we should be concerned about Moorman, just that perhaps even the greatest punter in the league is also in his own preseason?
On defense, it didn’t look great. Edwards and Troup didn’t stand out to me, except on their two negative plays (the maybin/edwards sack, and the troup penetration that resulted in a huge loss). Maybe that is a good thing, though. These guys are supposed to make big plays in the defense, but the LBs are if the line guys are doing the job right, and there were few plays to be made by our inside backers in the run game. I’m hoping that the passing game will get better when the playbook opens up on defense come regular season time. Things have been very vanilla to me, and I’m hoping for some more complex blitz packages starting Sept. 12.
On offense, Trent, Spiller, Roscoe and Nelson have looked steady. The offense in general looked quite good. I didn’t even know you could get a first down facing a 2nd and 20 or a 3rd and long and that happened a few times this weekend. Wow. Chan Gailey knows how to call plays. I’m not gonna go bonkers here and say he’s a genius and that Trent is reborn, just that it is a relieving feeling to watch an offense actually execute, and keep the defense on its toes with play-calling. Stupar is money, as well as McIntyre. Nice to see the FB involved. Hardy I suppose gets one more chance against the Lions Thursday, but I’m not sure he can see enough of the football to even make a difference for himself at this point….
It would be weird to see this team blow games on D or special teams, especially special teams. However, I’m sick of having a team where the only thing we have going for us is top-notch special teams. Would be nice to be able to watch an offense and a defense play respectable or dare I say exciting football all season. I mean, I love a kick return for a score as much as the next guy, but even for the Bills that only happens a few times a year.

Fear the Grier!!!!

by willgarr15 on Aug 30, 2010 1:30 PM EDT reply actions  

just that it is a relieving feeling to watch an offense actually execute

coupled that with


 I didn’t even know you could get a first down facing a 2nd and 20 or a 3rd and long and that happened a few times this weekend.

and I couldn’t agree more. Obviously it’s preseason so we must remain cautiously optimistic – but after seeing the offense last preseason and then how the season played out – you have to be a little excited to see how we’re going to do

I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....

by J2 on Aug 30, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea I mean I’m tempering my expectations for the season, but it has been very long since I have seen these things out of a Bills offense, preseason or regular season.

Fear the Grier!!!!

by willgarr15 on Aug 30, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

ST: if the coverage units keep playing as they are, is almost say onside kick everytime lol. But I’m not real worried yet, we were probably just seeing what bubble players could do and not putting our best ST players out.

D: Dwan Edwards looked decent, he did have a sack and a few more tackles. Troup stuffed up the middle effectively on a few plays I noticed, but got no help from the LBs on a nice Benson (I think) run.

Drayton Florence.. ugly. His recovery speed sucks. 4 holdings and an interference in 2 games?! C’mon man! Put Leo in, it’s been twice in two weeks he’s knocked down a deepball coming from the no huddle.

O: Cornell Green looks horrible, and on the flipside, Jamon Meredith looked pretty decent when he came in for Bell on Sat. I definitely might prefer moving him over.

The out pattern to Roscoe was the best it has been yet. Trent has thrown that same pass to Roscoe in each of the three games thus far. The first was the pick-6 at Washington, he dangerously snuck it in to him against Indy, but this last one was a great throw, right where it needed to be.
I think Hardy sees extended playing time vs Detroit, but would have to do A LOT to be in the conversation.

Nice post. I’d rec, but the button is nonexistent via mobile.

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by BuffaloBlueBlood on Aug 30, 2010 2:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Drayton Florence.. ugly. His recovery speed sucks. 4 holdings and an interference in 2 games?!

ya – he keeps doing that he’s going to be riding pine unless we’re in nickel or dime.

on Green/Meredith – usually the RT is more of a road grading run blocker so i’m not sure Meredith fits that mold, that being said, if Green plays like he did against the Bengals we’re going to have to do something….

I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....

by J2 on Aug 30, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention

Leodis looking great running stride for stride down the field with TO and TO having to break up the pass from Leodis, who got both hands on it. Drayton is having a tough start.

Trample the weak, hurdle the dead!

by fansince83 on Aug 30, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mckelvin will start sooner rather than later

"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-

by billsoferie on Aug 30, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you remember....

Eric Woods said Meredith was “the strongest player on the team”, so I would say he fits that RT mold, whereas a LT needs size plus speed and reach.

IMHO Green is a placeholder for Meredith.

by mikeo76 on Aug 30, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who's going to play over Florence as the 3rd CB?

Leo is already getting a lot of snaps as the #2 CB. Florence is going to play and play a lot. We don’t exactly have a whole lot after him, unless Youboty really steps up, which he hasn’t really done yet.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 30, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just meant that if he keeps up the holding that Leodis would start and then Florence would be the 3 CB. They both will still be playing a bunch – just Leodis would be starting.

since the league has more 3 WR sets I guess you can expect all 3 on the field at the same time a lot regardless.

I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....

by J2 on Aug 31, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Roscoe's out

The commentators mentioned it, but did you guys notice that Trent threw that ball from the opposite hash mark and fit it in on the money. That kid’s confidence has got to be as high as it was after the 5-1 start 2 years ago.

Trample the weak, hurdle the dead!

by fansince83 on Aug 30, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

in addition....

he was throwing to a 5’ 9" receiver over some pretty big dudes….. that’s double tough.

I didn’t even know you could get a first down facing a 2nd and 20 or a 3rd and long and that happened a few times this weekend.

Somebody found a playbook not crafted by DJ’s various crew members!

Nice Post BTW

Giggity

by Jax Bills Fan on Aug 30, 2010 4:15 PM EDT reply actions  

DJs...

playbook was pretty small; run, run, pass, punt!

by mikeo76 on Aug 30, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree, Dehaven stinks

You didn’t say it, but I will. I can’t believe they recycled him.

I disagree that Moorman has looked good. Lindell’s been solid, but Moorman has been a little shaky thus far. Like last year, the average is there, but he just seems to be shanking more and more punts. Maybe he was too good to start with?

Edwards – better have a solution to the massive lanes our run defense is giving RBs. Better have a solution for getting after the other teams QBs while you’re at it.

Give the guy a little leeway. He doesn’t exactly have a whole lot of talent to work with, especially regarding the pass rush. The guy will have to work a minor miracle to finish in the top 20 in sacks or run defense with the guys we currently have.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 30, 2010 11:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe he was too good to start with?

maybe – I definately have blinders on when it comes to my favorite Bill. I agree he has shanked more but you can tell he’s been upset about it so I expect him to work hard on it. Also, it’s not as if his punts are bad, their just not mormanesque – maybe we are spoiled with him.

on Edwards – maybe it was my expectation that Stroud, Williams/Troup, D.Edwards were going to be a solid front 3 for us and as a result the LBs would have a decent shot at stuffing the run more often than not. this hasn’t been the case – i’m not sure if it’s the LBs, the front 3 or just the combination of getting the playeres accustomed to the scheme and playing different positions.

it’s anonyingly going to take time to get both units to where they are just reacting instead of thinking

I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....

by J2 on Aug 31, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

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