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Rep Counter: Charting Bills' First-Teamers Through Preseason

Over the past few days, I've had several requests from readers to update the number of reps the Buffalo Bills have played throughout the preseason offensively and defensively. I plan to compile this data more thoroughly during the regular season; for now, I can only offer stats for the first team offense and defense, and the offensive data doesn't include the preseason opener against Washington (which I've unfortunately already deleted from the DVR).

As you might be able to guess, injuries have led to a lot of different players seeing action with the first team; this is particularly true defensively, as five of the Bills' 11 projected starters (Kyle Williams, Chris Kelsay, Paul Posluszny, Reggie Torbor, Jairus Byrd) have missed extended action. Rotating players on both sides of the ball also leads to a larger number of participants. Good, old-fashioned substitutions and the occasional unique personnel package allowed a few guys to sneak reps in, as well.

After the jump, you'll find first-team defensive data from all three preseason matchups, and offensive data from the Indianapolis and Cincinnati games. With both units unlikely to see extended playing time in the preseason finale this Thursday, this will be the last time we chart reps this preseason - and it's the last time the data will be this limited, as well, as we'll be charting formations, yardage gained/allowed, penalty yardage, opponent formations and more once the regular season starts.

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DEFENSE
SS Donte Whitner 82
CB Terrence McGee 78
CB Drayton Florence 76
DE Marcus Stroud 76
DE Dwan Edwards 75
FS George Wilson 60
CB Leodis McKelvin 60
SLB Chris Kelsay 48
MLB Kawika Mitchell 47
NT Kyle Williams 43
SLB Chris Ellis 42
SS Bryan Scott 38
MLB Andra Davis 35
WLB Paul Posluszny 32
FS Jairus Byrd 22
DE Spencer Johnson 20
NT Torell Troup 17
JLB Reggie Torbor 16
JLB Aaron Maybin 15
CB Reggie Corner 11
JLB Antonio Coleman 7
WLB Arthur Moats 3
DE Alex Carrington 1
OFFENSE
QB Trent Edwards 52
RB C.J. Spiller 52
WR Lee Evans 52
WR Steve Johnson 52
OT Cornell Green 52
OG Eric Wood 52
OG Andy Levitre 52
C Geoff Hangartner 52
WR Roscoe Parrish 43
OT Demetrius Bell 33
FB Corey McIntyre 24
TE Jonathan Stupar 20
OT Jamon Meredith 19
WR David Nelson 10
TE Derek Schouman 4
WR Chad Jackson 3
TE J.P. Foschi 1
OT Nick Hennessey 1

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doesn’t include the preseason opener against Washington (which I’ve unfortunately already deleted from the DVR).

Not unfortunate and totally understandable. Must have been your subconscious taking over.

What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.

by fansince60 on Aug 31, 2010 8:25 AM EDT reply actions  

if its not on brian’s dvr, it didn’t happen.

bills 2-0 preseason!

by quantumuprising on Aug 31, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Very Good Indicator

You can see who the coaches have confidence in going into the season. Example number of reps between Spencer Johnson Vs John McCargo. Not conclusive but pretty darn close to the mind set of the coaches.

YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde

by VanScottM on Aug 31, 2010 8:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Regarding Spencer Johnson: his rep numbers were inflated a bit against Cincinnati thanks a) to the absence of Kyle Williams, and b) to Cincinnati’s widespread use of the no-huddle and three and four-receiver sets. George Edwards was taking Troup (and Ellis, and Davis) off the field, moving Kelsay down to DE, and putting Johnson inside with Stroud in their four-lineman nickel package. Usually, Williams takes both the 3-4 NT and nickel DT roles.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 31, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cornell Green has looked a half-step above dreadful in pass protection. I haven’t watched much of the second halves of the games thus far. Any chance Meredith or (insert pretty much anyone else) over takes RT?

Formerly of thatguy34 fame.

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by Jon Harrington on Aug 31, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

If only we had a capable RT on the roster....

I don’t see Meredith as a viable option there, at least yet. Not that Green is a viable option, but I think he can be a slightly better run blocker than Meredith…

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 31, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess

we have to hope that wang lives up to his expectations….haha

by NHBillzFan on Aug 31, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah it was more wishful thinking. I haven’t really seen Meredith play this preseason so I was hoping he somehow got dramatically better.

Formerly of thatguy34 fame.

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by Jon Harrington on Aug 31, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s had a couple of penalties. But he’s been pretty steady.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 31, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is one Bill

That has gotten alot of playing Time. If I am not mistaken, he has been on the field more than off of it this preseason. Similar to Chris Ellis. They both have been filling alot of voids.

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by VanScottM on Aug 31, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but I feel alot better about Ellis producing for us right now vs. Meredith

He has looked not so hot out there the past couple of games. Ellis is really surprising me.

abayarde- "I SAY this get ready cause the BUFFALO BILLS ARE COMING TO TOWN and I dont mean like Santa clause. WE will not Surrender this is were you all FALL The WHAGON BLASTER IS TAKING OFF AND YOU PUNKS are in our way, This wagon has no BREAKS so get ready for the ride of the life time"

by WABillsfan on Aug 31, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Along with Parrish it looks like McCargo has been rejuvenated as well (just not to the same extent). Have you noticed the same upon further revoew?

by telka on Aug 31, 2010 9:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He has zero reps with the first team, and I haven’t re-watched the second-teamers at all. (I have a life, man!) From what I remember during games, McCargo has looked very good against second and third units.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 31, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

This should be its own post. This is gold.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 31, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Green

Do you see them keeping a TE in next to Green or having a back stay in protection on that side of the line to assist Green? With Wood and Levitre hitting the ground, are they over extending and getting swam on? Trying to cut block too much? Any pattern? Thanks Brian.

by TedWashington'sRobotDance on Aug 31, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it’s more likely they use chipping backs on Green’s side. Stupar has spent a lot of time on the left side next to Bell.

Levitre is overextending. Wood sometimes has trouble remaining engaged, then overextends to try to compensate.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 31, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are those very correctable looking mistakes?

Sounds like technique breakdowns….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 31, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, most definitely. By and large, they’re both playing well. Wood just looks more controlled and on top of his game.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 31, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw this one pass play against Cincy (and believe me I wouldn’t ask you to look for it) where Levitre pulled to the right giving additional support to the right side of the line (Green) and McIntyre stepped into the guard spot. McIntyre being the bowling ball he is filled in pretty well and met the defender instead of waiting for him to come to him. Although I’m not sure there’s a technical term for it besides the guard pulling but maybe the coaches are using that as a way to shore up Green’s shortcomings.

by telka on Aug 31, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bell

Besides penalty-free, I think we have to hope he’s injury-free more than anything….That’s the biggest issue with him.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 31, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, sure. Kind of goes without saying. :)

by Brian Galliford on Aug 31, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

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I’ve noticed Maybin is much better coming out of a 2 point stance than a 3/4 point stance. He’s more under control.

I think Troup’s effect is going to be hard to measure, since he’s not a penetrating NT. He may get reps and do his job without much of a noticable, personal impact that is measurable.

Big fan of the 3-2 in the dime, and 2-4 in the nickel. It gives the defense more blitz flexibility.

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft Owen Marecic in 2011" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Aug 31, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, now lets hope our Blitzers can ram home a sack every few blitzes, rather than our pass D getting carved up

due to lack of an extra pair of hands back there!

Maybin does look alot better out of the 2 rather than the 3, your dead on there.

abayarde- "I SAY this get ready cause the BUFFALO BILLS ARE COMING TO TOWN and I dont mean like Santa clause. WE will not Surrender this is were you all FALL The WHAGON BLASTER IS TAKING OFF AND YOU PUNKS are in our way, This wagon has no BREAKS so get ready for the ride of the life time"

by WABillsfan on Aug 31, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybin needs to get out of the 4 point stance

He just looks terrible trying to fire out of that stance and has been instantly engulfed as if he were going up against a giant amoeba.

I agree the 2 point stance might be his best option, but I’d like to at least see him in the 3 point stance more, at least in lieu of the 4 point stance he’s been using.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Sep 1, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

if he’s not in a track stance how is he going to get a running start for his single move???

yeah, i went there. but i agree with you. diversification of moves and technique starts with…well, the start. Standing up at the line could make use of his speed against a tackle.

by quantumuprising on Sep 1, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s not true, actually. Maybin has solid straight-line speed and he hustles, but his true speed rush is at its absolute quickest when he’s got a hand on the ground. He’s just not particularly polished with it, as DJ says, and gets really off-balance. He needs to learn control.

That’s not to say that he wouldn’t benefit from standing up more often.

by Brian Galliford on Sep 1, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Carrington

1 first team rep for Carrington. is he still hurt or do you think that’s pretty indicative of where he’s going to be slotted for the beginning of the season?

and thanks for the breakdown. great stuff.

by adamsam on Aug 31, 2010 8:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Carrington got one sub rep in the 34 Base in the Washington game. He’s healthy; Stroud and Edwards are just in fantastic shape. Don’t expect Carrington to get a lot of time early in the season.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 31, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's probably not even the main backup at DE

Unless Spencer Johnson gets cut.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 31, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’ll be the main backup for 34 looks. No question. That’s really the only spot where they can get him PT.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 31, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you there Brian

I just think Chan and Edwards will do their best to get Troup and Alex reps, but only when it won’t hurt the team too much to do so. I think they feel they can be competitive with the vets on this team, so we should see those guys get alot of PT.

abayarde- "I SAY this get ready cause the BUFFALO BILLS ARE COMING TO TOWN and I dont mean like Santa clause. WE will not Surrender this is were you all FALL The WHAGON BLASTER IS TAKING OFF AND YOU PUNKS are in our way, This wagon has no BREAKS so get ready for the ride of the life time"

by WABillsfan on Aug 31, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

interesante. thx.

by adamsam on Aug 31, 2010 8:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Brian

Can you speculate at all on what type of offensive sets you expect Gailey to run in Week 1? How much do you think will be “new looks?” Man, cuts and working the waiver wire for a player or 2 would be huge for this organization. Gotta keep improving this roster

"Show me the baby: - Buddy Nix

by MARVelous on Aug 31, 2010 8:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Gailey’s been pretty forthright about that: he’s going to run a handful of plays that the team executes well out of a variety of different looks, and build from there.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 31, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Questions

1. Do you expect Meredith to take one or two series from Bell each half in the first few games. Do limit Bell’s overall snaps to 40ish per game?

2. Who do you see as the most common #4 WR.

3. Do you expect Lynch and Spiller to be on the field at the same time (assuming Fred Jackson is injured for the first couple weeks).

4. What should we expect from Chris Ellis in terms of amount of time he will spend on the field and will he line up as DE in the nickle or dime alignments

5. What do we know about the Torbor & Byrd injuries.

by Berg79 on Aug 31, 2010 9:04 AM EDT reply actions  

1) Not unless he needs to. Bell looks ready for the season.

2) Fourth wide receiver? David Nelson. Fourth receiver? C.J. Spiller.

3) Absolutely, yes.

4) That’s hard to guess at, because they’ve been so limited in alignment during the preseason. Kelsay and Maybin are the preferred DEs in four-lineman looks, though, and Edwards will see time there before Ellis does. He’ll start at Jack until Torbor is healthy, and then he looks like the chief backup at both positions.

5) Torbor should be back early in the season. Anyone’s guess on Byrd.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 31, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brian, my buddy and I were joking the Bills should just run a modified wishbone with Feddy at the QB spot

And Lynch, Bell and Spiller as the three backs and just go wildcat/wishbone (wishcat? wildbone?) on other teams. It won’t happen outside Madden I am sure, but that would be fun to watch, wouldn’t it?

abayarde- "I SAY this get ready cause the BUFFALO BILLS ARE COMING TO TOWN and I dont mean like Santa clause. WE will not Surrender this is were you all FALL The WHAGON BLASTER IS TAKING OFF AND YOU PUNKS are in our way, This wagon has no BREAKS so get ready for the ride of the life time"

by WABillsfan on Aug 31, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mmm… no, actually, I don’t think I’d have fun watching that. I like real offense.

by Brian Galliford on Sep 1, 2010 6:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just an addition:

There’s a great write-up on Bell in today’s Buffalo News (check out Web rumblings). He says his knee has no pain and OL coach Joe D’Alessandris says he just needs to get back used to going in short spurts side to side. I think he’s gonna be 100% but the article thinks he may need to be spelled.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 31, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

is anyone else pumped that four of our five linemen took every 1st-team offensive snap this preseason? i definitely am.

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by the_prophet on Aug 31, 2010 9:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Not “this preseason” – the last two games. Bell and Wood did not play against Washington.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 31, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

And, if I’m remembering correctly, neither did Green.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 31, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

You do.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 31, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

as we’ll be charting formations, yardage gained/allowed, penalty yardage, opponent formations and more once the regular season starts.

wowza – better have a team of guys working on that!

I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....

by J2 on Aug 31, 2010 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Brian

I must say, that you are my hero. I can’t imagine any bloggers doing a better job than you do. Your coverage and analysis is so helpful and enjoyable. I discovered this site a few months ago, and now I check it everyday and love all of the analysis and information. MattRichWarren to! Both you guys! Thanks for everything you do! Buffalo Rumblings is the best NFL blog out there, hands down!

by BMWdrummerman777 on Aug 31, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

Seconded

I agree. Both of you are great. Also you can call me & all the other loyal fans “Folks” anytime. Make it your schtick!

I absolutely HATE having to watch so much Tennessee Oiler football.

by MtJulietTNBillsFan on Aug 31, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

thirdeded

agree. thanks Brian.

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by kgun201 on Aug 31, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks. It’s a labor of love. And trying to hold on to my childhood.

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by MattRichWarren on Sep 2, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brian

Do you think it is possible for D. Nelson to eventually take the No 2 spot? I liked Steven Johnson going in but it seems like he doesn’t attack the ball or have strong hands when the DB is trying to seperate him from the ball. I know he is a rookie (undrafted at that) but Nelson looks like the real deal

by weebey on Aug 31, 2010 10:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Johnson has been fine. Had a nice catch-and-run against Cincy. I think Nelson is absolutely ideal in his current role – a tough-to-cover possession receiver out of the slot. Let’s let him make a name for himself there before trying to slide him up the depth chart.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 31, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, Nelson is a freaking nightmare for D coordinators in the slot where he can use his lank over the middle

and the fact he can out jump CBs and Safeties on inside routes is a huge plus for this O. I can see him and Parrish splitting alot of reps there.

abayarde- "I SAY this get ready cause the BUFFALO BILLS ARE COMING TO TOWN and I dont mean like Santa clause. WE will not Surrender this is were you all FALL The WHAGON BLASTER IS TAKING OFF AND YOU PUNKS are in our way, This wagon has no BREAKS so get ready for the ride of the life time"

by WABillsfan on Aug 31, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Johnson

Steve Johnson has been blocking pretty well in the run game thus far. That’s where he’s going to earn and keep his starting spot.

~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 31, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

very good point, not alot of catches, but everything else pretty well.

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by VanScottM on Aug 31, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s worth mentioning that Nelson is an excellent run-blocker as well — far better than you would ever expect from a rookie. I do think what Brian says about letting him establish himself in his present role makes a lot of sense, tho.

by Macktruck on Aug 31, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

are you counting his five yard whiff that got spiller tackled 8 yards in the backfield?

by quantumuprising on Sep 1, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, the blocking was poor on that play, but watch the reply – Spiller literally takes the handoff and immediately runs backwards. He’s got to learn to look for a cutback lane on the weak side.

by Brian Galliford on Sep 1, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

yup – it looked open – the side the play was suppose to run to was blown up

I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....

by J2 on Sep 1, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bri,

Who has had the most snaps replacing Poz and has that position blitzed much?

"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-

by billsoferie on Aug 31, 2010 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Kawika Mitchell. The Bills haven’t blitzed much, period. Most frequent blitzer might be Drayton Florence out of the nickel corner spot. A few stunts and twists and things like that.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 31, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

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