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Still Not Time To Panic Over Spiller Holdout

The C.J. Spiller holdout is annoying. There's no arguing that one. The Buffalo Bills rookie is one of just two unsigned first-round picks, and with the No. 9 selection slotted for roughly 48 hours now, excuses run short for the lingering holdout the longer it exists. As Mark Gaughan points out this morning, the fact that Spiller is just the latest in a long line of recent first-round holdouts for the Bills is perhaps the most irritating trend of all.

Still, we're with GM Buddy Nix on this one: it's not time to panic. Not quite yet. Soon. But not yet.

Nix spoke briefly with the media regarding the holdout on Tuesday night, saying that the team was still working on negotiations with Spiller's agent, Gary Wichard, but that no deal was imminent.

"Probably in a couple of days, if he don't (sign), I will have something to say," Nix foreshadowed.

As distressing as the situation is, this is not a repeat of the Aaron Maybin holdout that we gnashed our teeth through a year ago.

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Most rookies will be fine after ending a lengthy holdout, particularly if they play a position at which it's easier to transition from college to the pros. In 2006, safety Donte Whitner held out until August 5, but was the team's starting strong safety by Week 2, registered an interception in his first pro game, and had a career-high 105 tackles as a rookie. That's a fairly typical case, particularly considering that Whitner signed more than a month before the start of the regular season.

Maybin was a worst-case scenario. Michael Crabtree's lengthy holdout was a catalyst for Maybin's issues, first and foremost, so circumstances that the Bills nor Maybin's agent could control were affecting progress. Then there was the fact that Maybin was one of the most inexperienced prospects entering the league, was barely drinking age when he was drafted, and played one of the most notoriously difficult positions to learn as an NFL rookie. The fact that Maybin held out until August 21 - just a hair over three weeks before the Bills' season opener - doomed his already-destined-to-be-statistically-desolate rookie season from the start.

Spiller's nowhere near Maybin territory, and he'll never approach being that out of the loop. This goes beyond the fact that Spiller is a running back, the position widely considered to be the easiest for collegians to play well at as NFL rookies. Spiller is also far more experienced, having played in 52 games at Clemson, compared to Maybin's 22 at Penn State. (He's also far more mature as a person, for whatever that's worth.)

Then there's the fact that Spiller, while behind, is not as behind as most perceive him to be. To date in training camp, the majority of Chan Gailey's practice sessions have been occupied by individual positional drills - fundamental work, if you will. Clearly, that type of one-on-one attention would benefit Spiller, but it's not like he won't get that type of work in pretty much every day for the rest of his career. Gailey has still not installed major new chunks of the offensive system, either, so while Spiller has missed valuable review work, he hasn't missed anything new - and the odds are great that Spiller has been buried in his playbook since last Thursday anyway.

Long story short - the Spiller holdout isn't seriously impacting his ability to be the contributor the team needs him to be in 2010. It may very well reach that point soon - Nix seems to be thinking along those lines - but what he's missed up to this point is not so major that his rookie season is doomed from the start.

I get the impatience. I'm impatient, too, because let's be honest - Spiller was the keystone piece to the off-season, he's really the only reason to get excited about the team this year from a superficial level, and if there's one player selling more tickets than any other this year, Spiller's that guy. I wholly understand, and I'm with you - obviously, we'd all rather this was done already, or that it gets done very soon. The politics of the situation, the negotiating over intricacies within a contract that we don't really care about - I get all of that. But it's important to the team, and it's important to Spiller. As I said up top, excuses are running short. But it's not time to panic, nor to vilify Spiller for not wanting to be here. That's miles from the truth.

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Didn't I say something similar to this?
the fact that Spiller is just the latest in a long line of recent first-round holdouts for the Bills is perhaps the most irritating trend of all

Didn’t I say something similar a few days ago? Ok, I might of used the word Bum but in essence this is what I was referring to.

I long for the day when our team get’s back to respectability, a day when players actually want to play in Buffalo.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 4, 2010 8:32 AM EDT reply actions  

I long for the day when our team get’s back to respectability, a day when players actually want to play in Buffalo.

This is EXACTLY what I’m talking about. The fact that people are using this holdout to claim that Spiller doesn’t “actually want to play in Buffalo” is PRECISELY why I wrote this article. THAT. IS. NOT. THE. TRUTH. Stop painting the kid in a negative light because the situation is irritating.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brian, I believe we are all entitled to our opinions, right?

Every year we are unable to sign our rookies, why is that? I recall when some people were implying that Ralph Wilson was frugal last year you went nuts saying that it wasn’t true. So if we are generous and the players actually want to play for us, then what exactly is the problem?

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 4, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’m not saying you’re not entitled to your opinion, I’m saying your opinion is wrong.

Ralph Wilson (and obviously by extension the Buffalo Bills) is frugal. “Frugal” implies economical behavior – careful strategy. He is not “cheap,” the only word I’ve ever taken offense to. I’ve no doubt that the Bills are unwilling to give Spiller’s camp some of the loftier escalators he’s looking for.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great save!

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 4, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m saying your opinion is wrong

very debatable my friend!

He is not "cheap," the only word I’ve ever taken offense to

Again you are entitled to your opinion here. But the center of the problem IMO is that we as fans should not feel like second class fans. For years we’ve supported this team, through way more downs than ups. Wilson said that he’d pay what ever it took to get a big named coach in Buffalo and then we ended-up hiring a guy from the un-employment line. Why is that? And the worse part of it is that I am quite convinced that he was willing to give Shanny the big $$ but where I think the problem was is that he did not want to cough up the $$ for FAs. Let’s face it, we’ve sucked for a very long time and nobody wants to play here and the only way to get them in is the cough-up more $$ than the other more attractive teams. I’m sorry if this reality frustrates you but that’s my opinion of the situation.

The difference between Cheap and Frugal is in the eye of the beholder!

Why is it that only our team is Frugal? If the fans stopped supporting the team, Wilson would have nothing. At one point he needs to spend some money to bring in the big named GM or Coach or player. As fans we deserve some recognition and we deserve to have some hope. It’s frustrating to be a bottom dweller for so long, what all the big names shun us, and

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 4, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

oups! posted too quick forgot to erase the last paragraph..

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 4, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

But the center of the problem IMO is that we as fans should not feel like second class fans.

I don’t. If you do because a guy missed some practice that won’t stunt his development in the long run, I can’t help you.

The Pittsburgh Steelers are frugal. They’re also the best-run organization in professional sports. That’s why the Bills brought in Doug Whaley, and that’s who they’re trying to emulate. The Steelers operate like a small-market franchise – which the Bills are, by the way, revenue sharing or not – and the Bills won’t just hand out fat contracts to rookies when it hurts the way they want to run the team. That is the reality of the situation.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

There’s a huge difference between these two situations

The Steelers have always been well managed and coached and have had tremendous success. Because they are able to maintain that high level of success, they are able to attract talent at reasonable prices because players, coaches, pro personnel all want to go work for a winning team. Guys are willings to accept less to be part of a winning team, a team that year in and year out is a contender.

We are nowhere close to that. Unfortunately for us, until we can start winning on a consistent basis, the only way to get the big names into Buffalo is by offering more $$.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 4, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

For the life of me, I can’t think of the last NFL player who took less money to play in Pittsburgh. Maybe one of their draftees did when he hit the open market, but they don’t do free agency. In fact, most Steelers fans cry the blues because they routinely let their free agents walk to other teams, yet they replace them through the draft.

by Jeff Winters on Aug 4, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not that they take less money but at equal money they go there over Buffalo. So the only way for us to attrack the big names is to pay more.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 4, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

the only way for us to attrack the big names is to pay more.

or win games and alot of them. I get your points. How can the steelers win a superbowl one year and barely make a 500 season the next. How can the giants win a superbowl and barely make a 500 season the next. All we got to due is win games. We have been is so many games over the last few years and would beat ourselves. We start winning some games and the big names will come and they will want to be here. Starting from behind the eight ball we will have to do it through the draft.

YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde

by VanScottM on Aug 4, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, it’s true that Fred Taylor did this to Buffalo by going to New England. I would like to thank Fred Taylor for taking his injured, NFL elder self to that franchise.

"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Song recommendation of the week: Kings of Leon - Manhattan

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention

The two OT that we had into OBD before we ended up signing Cornell Green. We just got to win some games and things will take care of themselves. Building through the draft is the safest way. There is only one New York Yankee franchise.

YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde

by VanScottM on Aug 4, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s true, but as your signature here so eloquently states, time and patience are required.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well right now, it’s about 8 months, because Nix/Gailey have nothing to do with the rest of it.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can’t just reset the clock every time you replace the coach or GM or both.

That being said, I have fully accepted Nix & Gailey and because I trust them both and I belive in their approach I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt and I am willing to be patient. But believe me when I say that I don’t feel the same way about Ralph Wilson, who I blame for the situation in the first place.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 4, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have to just say that i’d be far less easy about the team I enjoy so much if their current owner were no longer in the picture. So many people say it’s time for him to pack it in as owner, but I think we’ll all see a bit too late just how stable it was while he manned the ship.

"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Song recommendation of the week: Kings of Leon - Manhattan

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yessir. Yes, I agree with that.

Official ledge-talker-offer of the Buffalo Bills.

by WhyBillsWhy on Aug 4, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why not? The new regime is going to move forward, not look back. They had nothing to do with previous decisions. You can only judge them on what they do from the moment they have authority.

Obviously all of those years matter to you and me, but I’m not going to let Tom Donahoe taint Buddy Nix. Logically, that makes no sense.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

What about Ralph Wilson, Russ Brandon and Modrak?

all those guys have been around……and are still around.

Chan Gailey's #1 Fan!

by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 4, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Three guys, one of which is involved with scouting players, who now has three people that have been heavily involved in football over the last several years looking over his work.

Wow, you make a great case.

by aquias on Aug 4, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Russ Brandon and Tom Modrak have never had final say. Ralph has, so if you want to reflect on him, that’s fine. I thought we were reflecting on Nix.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

But believe me when I say that I don’t feel the same way about Ralph Wilson, who I blame for the situation in the first place.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 4, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

17 years?

"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Song recommendation of the week: Kings of Leon - Manhattan

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

1993 we were in the super bowl: 17 years.

1995 was the last division championship: 15 years.

1999 was the last time we were in the playoffs: 10/11 years.

take any of the above you want, but some of us had our patience grow thin long ago.

by quantumuprising on Aug 4, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

only 3 more years quantum :-)

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Aug 4, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can’t argue with that but I’m not sure we talking about the same type of animal here. Here’s a look at the Steelers non playoff years (streaks) since the Steel curtain in the early 70s:
1980-1982 (3 seasons)
1985-1988 (4 seasons)
1990-1991 (2 seasons)
1998-2000 (3 seasons)
2003
2006
2009

Notes:
(a) In 38 seasons, they missed the playoffs 14 times but only 7 of those seasons were under .500
(b) In that same time span they went 7 times to a Superbowl and won it 6 times.

In contrast: The Bills
We missed the playoffs 25 seasons and only 6 were .500 or above
We only went 13 times to the playoffs.

We are so much in a different situation than the Steelers !! The difference is they have something that works and they keep it running while we in contrast, are driving a busted up moped and we are trying to just keep it running. And we wonder why everyone else is passing us on the highway!!
We need to go out and seriously upgrade our ride, then we can think of employing the steady frugal approach to maintaining what we have.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 4, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

You missed my original point: we are now trying to emulate the Steelers. As in, from January. We have not been trying to emulate the Steelers since 1980. So all of that data is irrelevant.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you missed my point as well

The Steelers can afford to be frugal because they have a solid foundation to work from. We do not.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 4, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m saying you can get that foundation without doing stupid things salary-wise. There’s no reason they need to overpay for crappy players to look like they’re doing something.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hello Redskins!

"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Song recommendation of the week: Kings of Leon - Manhattan

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

never said that

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 4, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not explicitly, no, I suppose I didn’t. :)

by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

What I think the main problem is, is that Ralph wants things done his way. I believe that he really wanted Shanny but was not willing to agree to open up his pocket book if need be and Shanny wanted full control or no control at all. I suspect that Cowher had similar issues. Now if that wasn’t the case then we’re back to coaches and players not wanting to come to Buffalo.

I believe it to be Ralph not wanting to give full control, instead wanting to find a GM that will agree to doing it his way. So in the end it’s not necessarily the Frugality that is at the root of the problem, it’s Ralphy himself wanting to keep control.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 4, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sadly, the best way to build that solid foundation is to be frugal and smart with your money, not throw it around just to appease fans.

by Jeff Winters on Aug 4, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even death row inmates accept their fate.......Note to posters

negative paint brushes are now banned on BR. Please view this to put you in the appropriate mood before posting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmYmvE2RCA4

Spiller was so happy to be drafted by the Bills, he couldn’t even manage a smile. Nix is the best GM ever. Chan can made average players play at a Pro Bowl level. Ralph will live forever!!!!!

If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.

by Joe P. on Aug 4, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 4, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Glad that video brought some color back, and snapped you out of the B&W mood you seemed to be in :-)

I think it is a very valid point to question Spiller’s real feelings about playing in Buffalo. It doesn’t mean he is a bad kid, it just means he may have wanted to be drafted by a team that isn’t a perpetual 7-9 team in a city that isn’t know for “Booty Poppin”. Now, being the smart and practical kid he is, he has realized that it is in his best interest to make the best of his time here and embrace the city…..for now.

If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.

by Joe P. on Aug 4, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that’s a fair way of putting it. A hell of a lot fairer than “he flat-out doesn’t want to be here.” Your description implies a level of excitement, of a wait-and-see, maybe-this-will-work-out-for-the-long-term mentality. Every NFL rookie in every NFL city takes that approach, and it doesn’t carry negative connotations. That I’m fine with.

One downfall to micro-analyzing everything like we do here at Rumblings is that we sometimes lose perspective. We lost perspective with Maybin, by and large, and now every little thing he does is analyzed to the point where he is legitimately one of the most despised players on the roster, and fans are willing to write a 22-year-old kid off as a bust already. It’s ridiculous. I’m trying to avoid the same thing happening to Spiller here. All of these conversations matter.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did we lose perspective with Maybin? I think the majority of regular contributors here knew he was a 1-year wonder, with little game experience, ill-suited to be a 4-3 DE. I think most of us also knew that his holdout was the worst thing possible for a kid who, just months prior, looked like a high school athlete.

I understand what you’re saying about perspective, but I think most people here were concerned with Maybin’s potential from the beginning.

"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Song recommendation of the week: Kings of Leon - Manhattan

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’re right. I am attempting to expand the group that you refer to as “regular contributors here.” :)

by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, just checking. I think the core of us here are fairly level-headed, and fairly astute—or at least willing to listen to others—when it comes to the team.

"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Song recommendation of the week: Kings of Leon - Manhattan

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know, the only way a player can guarantee not to be drafted by a losing franchise is not to be a top 10 talent at his position.

"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Song recommendation of the week: Kings of Leon - Manhattan

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

i dont think spiller cares about booty poppin

i think hes fairly religious….

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by silverstreak3k on Aug 4, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think if you’re looking for pure, unadulterated happiness, this is the video you’re looking for.

Formerly of thatguy34 fame.

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by Jon Harrington on Aug 4, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love that he says he wasn’t on drugs that day. Riiiiiiiight.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL.....that guy ate all the brownies :-)

If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.

by Joe P. on Aug 4, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Without looking, it’s not Charlie the Unicorn, is it?

"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Song recommendation of the week: Kings of Leon - Manhattan

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

=)

"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Song recommendation of the week: Kings of Leon - Manhattan

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

actually want to play in Buffalo

I think he’s just pissed that the coach called him a “waterbug” – who wouldn’t be?

by cmeid on Aug 4, 2010 8:44 AM EDT reply actions  

The time to panic

will be when he signs for 35 million with 25 million guaranteed with escalators if he just manages to become a competent RB in the league, and then doesn’t perform like Chris Johnson. Get a clue, people. Few teams have money to burn. That’s why rookies are hard to sign, not just here but everywhere except for Oakland where an emotional owner can’t see straight enough to do what’s right for his club. It’s because high draft picks are getting extremely risky.

by Sixteenthback on Aug 4, 2010 8:56 AM EDT reply actions  

The time to panic would be if they somehow manage to lose him, like they seem to do with all the RBs they draft. Think about it. Fred Jackson wasn’t drafted by them.

Henry had his time here, but they burned that bridge. Brought in McGahee, thus running him out of town. Yes, it turned out to be a good move. McGahee plays 2 solid years, then decides MTV Cribs won’t ever have anything to do with Buffalo. Goodbye Willis. Lynch comes on board, storms the scene. Then he decides to have a social life. Oops. Now he’s struggling to find production on the field and opportunity early on in Gailey’s first camp.

So, as long as Spiller plays nice, plays well, engages with the community, and both parties decide it’s a good idea to continue on together following the rookie deal—yeah, he’ll be good for the organization.

"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Song recommendation of the week: Kings of Leon - Manhattan

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Spiller is incidental

TRUE PANIC TIME will be Halloween night when the Bills have just lost to Kanas City, to drop their record to 1-7 for the first two months of the season.

by ccthemovieman on Aug 4, 2010 9:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Ouchy Mama!!!

Jimmy McGinty: You know what the difference is between a winner and a loser?

Shane Falco: The score.

by Goose22 on Aug 4, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not a long line of “recent” holdouts—it’s a long line of holdouts— with one common denominator—an owner that likely was too involved in the fact we chose Spiller and is too involved in the signing process —just a guess

by radan on Aug 4, 2010 9:07 AM EDT reply actions  

I can understand your curiosity here, but…

He does own the team. Is he supposed to have no rooting interest in the organization for which he’s supplied fund for since the early 60’s? If you became rich enough to buy an NFL team, and own them successfully over the long haul…wouldn’t you be fairly interested in all things going on, and wouldn’t you continue to be involved, seeing how your invovlement seems to have worked out pretty well for half a century?

I know there’s reasons to point fingers at Wilson, but we cannot expect the man to just be a figurehead for the Buffalo Bills. He’s doing a pretty good job for someone well on their way to 100.

"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Song recommendation of the week: Kings of Leon - Manhattan

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I understand the role of an owner but disagree on your assesment of the franchise over his 50 years of ownership. As he approaches 100 and has one stated goal of winning the big one, he should get out of the way, stop meddling, and let Nix and Chan do their jobs. Figurehead and cheerleader would be the perfect role for him.

by radan on Aug 4, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Al Davis is the problem

Al Davis has worked his ridiculous magic and is messing with two teams in the AFC east. There is a huge gap between number 8 and number 10 and sitting in the middle is our boy Spiller. The reason for the gap is a ridiculous contract from Al Davis and now Spiller’s agent is looking for money and incentive closer to the 8 slot so everything gets mucked up. It’s the same thing causing the Revis holdout in NYC, which personally I’m thrilled about so we get one Al Davis bonehead move that helps us and one that hurts. In the long run Spiller will sign soon and all us Bills fans can relax and pray that Revis stays held out.

by detricblackstone on Aug 4, 2010 9:17 AM EDT reply actions  

I kind of like the idea of laying all our frustrations on Al Davis. He can handle the hate.

"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Song recommendation of the week: Kings of Leon - Manhattan

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through.

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by Jon Harrington on Aug 4, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let the Force be with you!

Jimmy McGinty: You know what the difference is between a winner and a loser?

Shane Falco: The score.

by Goose22 on Aug 4, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Michael Crabtree’s lengthy holdout was a catalyst for Maybin’s issues, first and foremost, so circumstances that the Bills nor Maybin’s agent could control were affecting progress.

I’m sure this grates more people than just me. Maybin and his agent were in control of Maybin and his agent. Maybin could have been the initial first rounder to sign and set the bar. Instead, Maybin and his agent were worried about being seen as signing for too little….which still would have been more than the 2008 pick at Maybin’s slot got. I can’t wait for that rookie pay scale…

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Aug 4, 2010 9:17 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Agreed in full on your last thought.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bloody Eugene Parker

abayarde- "I SAY this get ready cause the BUFFALO BILLS ARE COMING TO TOWN and I dont mean like Santa clause. WE will not Surrender this is were you all FALL The WHAGON BLASTER IS TAKING OFF AND YOU PUNKS are in our way, This wagon has no BREAKS so get ready for the ride of the life time"

by WABillsfan on Aug 5, 2010 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Boy do I hate saying it, but Maybin was smart. He guaranteed himself a good sum of money, in the event he never pans out.

"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Song recommendation of the week: Kings of Leon - Manhattan

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

every rookie does

maybin’s deal wasnt very far off of what was expected of him. Spillers wont be either, and hes already slotted. It doesnt make much sense that hes still not signed, and its a lil frustrating, but like i have been saying, spiller is needed right away. right now the coaching staff seems to be working out who will be the number 4 or reserve RB and not even running lynch and jackson all that much. if he doesnt get signed by next monday (say around 1233..) then ill be a lil more peeved.

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To us winning is a tradition. We are victors and need not explain. You may hate us, but your girlfriends love us. - BC
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by silverstreak3k on Aug 4, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both sides are in a tough spot

I think it was said on here that Spiller isn’t in the typical position of a first round running back….. he is trying to negotiate with a team that already has 2 starting caliber RB’s. Kinda tough to get a fair estimate on performance based incentives when playing time/touches are going to be limited….. base money is base money, but IMO, it’s the nebulous performance incentives that are holding things up. That being said, I was mentioning to a friend last night that, IN BUFFALO, where a slow economy and high taxation is prevalent, fans will turn quickly on a professional athlete who holds out for whatever reason simply based on the fact that the $$$ these guys get seems like an unimaginable amount to the blue collar fan base. This fact has been evident in many posts on this subject here at Rumblings…… Let’s not kick the hell out of this kid until he actually says something to deserve it or hinders the progress of out team.

Giggity

by Jax Bills Fan on Aug 4, 2010 9:20 AM EDT reply actions   4 recs

Wow, nail meet hammer:

IN BUFFALO, where a slow economy and high taxation is prevalent, fans will turn quickly on a professional athlete who holds out for whatever reason simply based on the fact that the $$$ these guys get seems like an unimaginable amount to the blue collar fan base. This fact has been evident in many posts on this subject here at Rumblings

I hope most people who visit this blog, see your post. It echoes Brian’s sentiment about perspective.

"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Song recommendation of the week: Kings of Leon - Manhattan

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

tyrannosaurus RECs

by dav630 on Aug 4, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Amen brother
I can’t wait for that rookie pay scale…

Good grief – If you’re making MILLIONS, what’s a few hundred thousand. I received a 2.1% raise this year, first in 3 years, for crying out loud. Sign the papers and play.

2010 - "Chan"ge is finally here......

by coolness1 on Aug 4, 2010 9:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Because

If you can get the money, you do all you can to get it. Millions, thousands or whatever..

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 4, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s the reason most people who win the lottery go broke. People as a whole are rarely satisfied with what they have. People “need” to have as many things as they can get in life.

"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Song recommendation of the week: Kings of Leon - Manhattan

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's a travesty what is going on...

In the new CBA some form of rookie pay scale has to be put in place. 50m, 40m, 35m. 36.75m,34m, 26m, 23m that is the guaranteed money that the sign draft picks before Spiller are receiving.

It is insane to be paying players these absorbent amounts of $$$‘s without a player ever taking a snap. The sad fact is most the players might be average at best but will be earning superstar money. I don’t see how this cannot affect the NFL in a negative way in the long run. The trickle down effect will continue to be that the fans will feel the pinch. We continually see increases in prices for NFL goods, tickets, Direct TV etc etc. Not to mention where is the incentive for players to succeed if they already have millions sitting in the bank!!!!

The NFL at this rate of rookie 1st rounders will end up like baseball where a utility player is making 5m.

The NFL and the Players Union better come to some type of an agreement before they kill the GOOSE that lays the golden eggs!!!

.

Jimmy McGinty: You know what the difference is between a winner and a loser?

Shane Falco: The score.

by Goose22 on Aug 4, 2010 9:26 AM EDT reply actions  

not totally defending Ralph but

I can’t wait for that rookie pay scale…

I’m confident Ralph can’t either. I’ve often thought his “frugal/cheapness” is his level-headed-ness and business acumen being misconstrued. Look at him as the “Anti-Snyder”.
Despite the brickbats he faces, he is steadfastly holding true to his values while hoping some of it rubs off on the other 31 owners. In truth, he’s pi$$ing into the wind, but, willing to get wet.
Let’s face it, are any of the rookies (or some veterans [Haynesworth] ) worth their salaries? So then, from a purely economic standpoint, isn’t Ralph right?
The old cliche` comes to mind- “If your friends jump off a 10 story building would you jump too?”

"Give back some of that F*&#ing money you ain't earned!" - Eric Wood screaming at Aaron Maybin

by fansince60 on Aug 4, 2010 9:31 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

In truth, he’s pi$$ing into the wind, but, willing to get wet.

“I see.” Said the blind man as he peed into the fan. “It all comes back to me now.”

"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Song recommendation of the week: Kings of Leon - Manhattan

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

ksh

if i can remember marshawn lynch signed after one day of missed practice and leodis mckelvin only missed 2 days of missing practice, so actually they are able to sign roockies every year it just takes some time for some of them.

Season to BILLieve!

by mroy1239 on Aug 4, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

keysh i meant ^^

Season to BILLieve!

by mroy1239 on Aug 4, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

but we’re still always one of the last teams to sign it’s top rookies, why?

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 4, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought we’d covered that? It’s the frugality of the front office. Little doubt about it.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if some of it has to be because alot of these guys can’t seem to find where the city of Buffalo is located.

"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Song recommendation of the week: Kings of Leon - Manhattan

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess my problem with that is that by being stubbornly frugal, we create situations where our guys come in late and miss valuable time in camp. In some extreme cases end up loosing their first year altogether, which btw we are paying for.

Could it be that we are a bit penny-wise and dollar-foolish sometimes?

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 4, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, but I’d say that this is unequivocally NOT one of those times.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not at all, if this were our future franchise QB or LT or DE we were discussing, then yeah, but as Brian noted, its not one of those times

abayarde- "I SAY this get ready cause the BUFFALO BILLS ARE COMING TO TOWN and I dont mean like Santa clause. WE will not Surrender this is were you all FALL The WHAGON BLASTER IS TAKING OFF AND YOU PUNKS are in our way, This wagon has no BREAKS so get ready for the ride of the life time"

by WABillsfan on Aug 5, 2010 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with your position on this one

Specifically in Spillers case, I’ll agree that getting him in a few weeks later won’t really affect his production given the backfield we already have and the way we probably intend to use him.

Still, my issue is the bigger picture. We always do it and next year if we do it with a Franchise QB or Franchise LT it will really set us back, big time! I would have liked to see improvement in this area given our new FO structure. All I can conclude is that Ralph Wilson is still very much holding all the strings.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 5, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

My guess with Spiller is that we can blame the Raiders for not negotiating better. They gave McClain a ~20% increase over last year’s slot, whereas the 10th and 11th picks got a normal increase over last year’s slotted amount. Spiller’s agent would argue for a McClain-type contract, but the Bills would want to stay within their financial parameters because the other contracts around him are more of a guide.

by Jeff Winters on Aug 4, 2010 10:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Being out of camp still hurts rookie RB's

Blocking technique
Blitz recognition and responsibility
Use in passing game

I hope a missed responsibility isn’t going to kill one of our QB’s.

by Rick A on Aug 4, 2010 10:41 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

So True

So often overlooked, until it is too late.

YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde

by VanScottM on Aug 4, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

really?

you think of all the RBs the bills have on the roster, Spiller is gonna be the guy with crucial blocking responsibilities? if anything, on third down he will be split wide or in the slot, with lynch or jackson responsible for blocking…..

lets keep it real here folks. this year spiller will be a home run threat, a passing game threat and a returning threat. the little things and running in between the tackles will be taken up by lynch and jackson, so your concerns wouldnt even be on my mind…

Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
To us winning is a tradition. We are victors and need not explain. You may hate us, but your girlfriends love us. - BC
One more than Shaq. - Kobe answering how it felt to win Championship number 5

by silverstreak3k on Aug 4, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ummm, with our QBs, is a missed block or two going to really ruin our team in any major way? Really?

abayarde- "I SAY this get ready cause the BUFFALO BILLS ARE COMING TO TOWN and I dont mean like Santa clause. WE will not Surrender this is were you all FALL The WHAGON BLASTER IS TAKING OFF AND YOU PUNKS are in our way, This wagon has no BREAKS so get ready for the ride of the life time"

by WABillsfan on Aug 5, 2010 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dont understand why the rookies feel they need so much money to play when they havn’t proved themselves yet, they should be happy they are even in the NFL!

Season to BILLieve!

by mroy1239 on Aug 4, 2010 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

seriously

all you guys looking for a job out there fresh out of college, should just work for less than you are worth, because you havent proven anything yet…..

Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
To us winning is a tradition. We are victors and need not explain. You may hate us, but your girlfriends love us. - BC
One more than Shaq. - Kobe answering how it felt to win Championship number 5

by silverstreak3k on Aug 4, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did!

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Aug 4, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

i did too

sad panda. but if you had the chance, wouldnt you try to get as much out of your employer?

Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
To us winning is a tradition. We are victors and need not explain. You may hate us, but your girlfriends love us. - BC
One more than Shaq. - Kobe answering how it felt to win Championship number 5

by silverstreak3k on Aug 4, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Captain Obvious reporting – says “HELL YA”

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Aug 4, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

for less than you are worth

I think your statement should read for less than you can get – they ain’t worth sqwatt until they can prove it.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 4, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had three jobs out of college making ends meet, if any of those places had offered me something more than the other three combined

I would have been gone.

abayarde- "I SAY this get ready cause the BUFFALO BILLS ARE COMING TO TOWN and I dont mean like Santa clause. WE will not Surrender this is were you all FALL The WHAGON BLASTER IS TAKING OFF AND YOU PUNKS are in our way, This wagon has no BREAKS so get ready for the ride of the life time"

by WABillsfan on Aug 5, 2010 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

People need to remember professional athletes are not in an everyday industry. Their industry is billionaire owners and million dollar players. They aren’t working at the plant or the corporate offices. Buffalo is a blue collar city with pro sports franchises worth hundreds of millions. Players have a skill most in the blue collar city or any other city don’t have and they should get paid what the market will bare. If they want a couple hundred extra thousand dollars on top of the millions they will make that’s their right.

Don’t compare yourselves to them. Wherever you work, if some other company was willing to pay you more for the same job, you would probably go work there or try to get your boss to pay you on the same level. If, just out of school, various law firms are making you offers you will take the one with the best terms. It’s simple economics. The players have unique skills. It’s strange to me that folks spend so much time worrying about another man’s money. I’m all for a rookie wage scale because I think the money should go to vets who have proven themselves, but until that system exists there is no reason to whine about the rookies getting the money they feel they deserve. They are the ones who will take the physical pounding and the effects that go with it, not me.

And can we stop with the inferiority complex? It’s beyond old. Spiller was in Buffalo all spring. He’s from a small town in Florida. Not a small city, a small town. Buffalo probably has more to do if that’s a concern for him. Some folks on here need to get some pride. Buffalo isn’t the biggest city, it isn’t amazingly cosmopolitan, but it’s got a lot that’s good about it and reflects what a good majority of the country is. Small cities and towns. There are only so many “big” cities. Many players play in places that wouldn’t qualify and live and work happily in those places. Pay well and build a winning organization and they won’t go anywhere nine times out of ten.

by phaze1 on Aug 4, 2010 1:00 PM EDT reply actions   3 recs

Trainrec’d

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Aug 4, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Worried about the team's future, not the money
It’s strange to me that folks spend so much time worrying about another man’s money.

The worry is that a few big mistakes overpaying will criple us. We’ve had Kelsay/Schoble/Maybin — how many tens of millions for what kind of a pass rush? That money spent meant that we didn’t have the money to sign proven FAs (think linemen on both sides). People are screaming for top talent at QB and LT. Well, don’t count on that coming cheap. Let the Al Davises of the league blow their money on unproven talent, but if we do the same, we’re unlikely to be much more successful. It’s not strange at all to worry about the Bills’ payroll, which, by the way, has generally exceeded NE’s in recent years. We must be frugal and smart with our money, or we’ll forever be picking in the top ten and blowing most of our salary money there.

by Sixteenthback on Aug 4, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear you, but Kelsay, Schobel and Maybin were not brought in on Buddy Nix’s watch. They were not resigned on Buddy Nix’s watch. When a new administration takes over they can only be judged on what they do. What happened before them can’t be changed easily and can’t be attached to their record.

Spiller is a top ten pick. They will have to pay him. He’s the first RB taken. They will have to pay him. They already said they plan to use him in a variety of ways. They will have to pay him. Sometimes big money is well spent, sometimes it’s not, but the games have to be played to find out.

Nix has said he will build through the draft and that is where he wants to get his difference makers so unproven talent will be what we should be looking for going forward. The way they drafted this season tells us the Nix M.O. He will take players who have a long track record of success and high character work ethics. Even if they signed all free agents those players would be unproven in a Bills uniform. Everybody is unproven until they actually do well for the team.

by phaze1 on Aug 4, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good post

FYI——CJ’s hometown of Lake Butler is about a half hour from Gainesville and about 45 minutes from Jacksonville. I’ve been thru there numerous times, it takes all of about 10 minutes driving from one end to the other…

Jimmy McGinty: You know what the difference is between a winner and a loser?

Shane Falco: The score.

by Goose22 on Aug 4, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great Post!

I’m a Florida guy who is a rabid Bills fan. I’ve been with them from the go. I’m new to this site and hope, beyond hope, that these totally negative guys don’t represent the majority of the fans. Buffalo is a small city competing with huge metropolitan areas and most of us understand this. Criticisim is healthy but some of you guys are pathetic.

by floridamike on Aug 4, 2010 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Welcome to the site! Don’t be disturbed by the negativity; there’s just a lot of bitterness from a decade of losing. Most posters here are pretty educated and objective.

by Jeff Winters on Aug 4, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not time to panic?

I’m freaking out over here because I really, really wanted twoeightnine’s t-shirt.

Enjoying my annual three months of optimism.

by Trashplate on Aug 4, 2010 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

You can still buy one....

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 5, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Off Subject

Not about post but got me wondering, Is there a official Buffalo Rumblings T- shirt that can be purchased?

Home of "Spiller the Thriller"

by buffalobacker on Aug 5, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah i wasn’t serious.

Enjoying my annual three months of optimism.

by Trashplate on Aug 5, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

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