Schefter: Bills To Release Aaron Schobel Wednesday
ESPN's Adam Schefter is in Pittsford today on his training camp tour covering the Buffalo Bills, and is reporting that the team will release veteran defensive end Aaron Schobel on Wednesday. Once that happens, Schobel will be an unrestricted free agent.
Schefter also reports that Schobel plans on continuing his playing career, and will begin talking with teams "soon." Of course, the Houston Texans were the first team mentioned.
Unless the Bills decided that they wanted to do Schobel perhaps the biggest favor of his life, I don't get the logic behind this decision. As an unrestricted free agent, the market for Schobel's services could be significant, and Buffalo didn't technically have to do anything with him. On the Reserve/Did Not Report list, he didn't count against the team's active roster, and the team could have left him there indefinitely. Schobel could have forced the team's hand by reporting, but he told BuffaloBills.com on Monday that he wouldn't pursue that course of action. It's unclear whether the team would have had to pay Schobel while on the DNR list, which might have been a factor in the decision.
Schobel was due to make $8.28 million in 2010, and any team that would have traded for Schobel would have had to take on that salary. That fact alone makes it highly unlikely that the team would have been able to swap him for even a very-low-round draft pick. Still, it'd have been nice to see them try. If it wasn't clear Monday, however, it's certainly clear now - Schobel's career in Buffalo is over.
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I don’t get releasing him either, especially when they were fairly clear that that wasn’t happening the other day. The only thing I can think of is that Nix/Wilson feel like helping out a guy who played here for so long.
It's terrible business if that's the case
They should do whatever they can to get something for him. If they are doing this simply to help Schobel out, then that’s ridiculous. They can still help him by trading him. My guess is they’ve called around and nobody is willing to trade anything for him. Otherwise, this is dumb.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Exactly. If they’re fighting tooth and nail over every penny with Wichard/Spiller, then they damn well better do the same with Schobel. Obviously that’s not going to happen.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I really, really hope there isn't a trade market for him
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
The only possible explanation is that they spent Monday afternoon and all day Tuesday calling teams trying to muster one, and that they’re releasing him because they couldn’t garner any interest. ONLY possible explanation that I’d remotely accept, and even then, I’d have liked to see a bit more patience.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. And you know every interested team was going to say “No” and wait to see if the Bills would cut him.
Exactly!!
Why trade for him with the high salary when you might get him as a FA with a lower salary…
Jimmy McGinty: You know what the difference is between a winner and a loser?
Shane Falco: The score.
by Goose22 on Aug 4, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hence the "no interest"
from other teams…
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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 4, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, definitely
Wait it out a bit if you don’t see a trade market. Releasing Schobel 3 weeks from now does the same thing for him for all intents and purposes. Releasing him now does nothing to help your team.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Not only that, it shows complete and utter inconsistency in the way you handle your assets. This is a business, moreso because they’re a small-market team. They need to display every ounce of wisdom they can with their assets, and this reeks of catharsis.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
This is terrible business, if true. Therefore, I hope this isn’t the case.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Other teams knew the situation....CHIX must have been sure they were not going to get anything for Schobel
In that context, I am fine with CHIX doing the classy thing and releasing Schobel. Gives him a chance to get into another team’s camp and start learning the system. Let’s hope Schobel does the classy thing and doesn’t sign with an AFC East team.
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
Rec'd
Let’s hope Schobel does the classy thing and doesn’t sign with an AFC East team.
I don’t see him signing with a 3-4 team…if he does then I’d be pissed. Many presume the switch to LB in the twilight of his career was as big a factor as the prospect of the Bills sucking for another year.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
idk
it shows complete and utter inconsistency in the way you handle your assets.
Seems to me they consistently allow veterans to simply be released, without gaining anything for them. Not that i don’t agree with you that it makes no sense… but just that it isn’t inconsistent of them. I wish they were being inconsistent, and actually getting something for him.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
What other veterans has Buddy Nix “simply released”?
by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry, i was generalizing the organization, not Nix
and example… Dockery. another: Jabari. those are a couple recently. I am sure there is not exactly a “short list” of individuals we have “lost” via free agency, by simply releasing them, not renewing contract, cutting… however you want it phrased… Veterans that we saw no compensation for. Add Schobel to the list of guys that we got nothing at all for, while NE can trade away a former 5th round pick who did nothing for like a first, a third, and a unicorn.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
Jabari’s not an example; he was a free agent. They did cut Dockery. Langston Walker might be another example.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
i was gonna use walker
but i didn’t consider him much of a loss. and like i said, allowing release (we could have attempted to resign Jabari, especially when he was injured the season before, and maybe we did, maybe he didn’t want to…but I feel like then tag him, and THEN trade him… and get something… anyone know when the last time we used a Franchise Tag? Ever?)
of a veteran that “we saw no compensation for” was the point i was getting at. What about Fletcher? We couldn’t have traded him? I mean, we are assuming they didn’t try of course, and I realize this is not necessarily the case, but why? why is it that the Bills can’t seem to get a deal done to give us back some value? is it because the whole league knows we will give up and just cut them, and the new suitors can just write their own, better deal, because it won’t be on our inflated sensibilities? If so, that sucks. I can’t put it more eloquently. It just sucks.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
Is there any roster bonus due to him? Maybe if he shows up they then owe him a bonus, which could explain the haste to release him?
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
He was owed a roster bonus of $2 million on March 1, but he never showed up to take a physical and collect. Therefore, if he does show up now, the Bills would have to place him on the active roster and, once he takes a physical, pay him the roster bonus as soon as he meets the conditions.
by Jeff Winters on Aug 4, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't he have to show up to take a physical before being traded, if I remember correctly, ALL players must be shown as healthy to be traded
And thats after both teams have a look at him, so I think his bonus would become active when a trade occurs.
abayarde- "I SAY this get ready cause the BUFFALO BILLS ARE COMING TO TOWN and I dont mean like Santa clause. WE will not Surrender this is were you all FALL The WHAGON BLASTER IS TAKING OFF AND YOU PUNKS are in our way, This wagon has no BREAKS so get ready for the ride of the life time"
they should wait till some more injuries prop up, then there will be a market
doing it now is really really really stupid
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by silverstreak3k on Aug 4, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Complete agree... Nix has the control to do it whenever... Why do it when thiere is no demand for him?
I bet the agent is forcing this saying that if the Bills FO does not cooperate in releasing his client that other agents will look at them as being hard to deal with and therefore try to navigate their clients from signing with the Bills.
Nix and the Bills never had the upper hand on this one.
Yeah I agree that it’s stupid. I’d rather hold onto Schobel forever than run the risk of him going to the Pats or another team we play so he could potentially hurt us.
I agree, releasing him is stupid. Unfortunately, Nix clearly has no administrative/financial leverage in this situation. Schobel’s contract is too high to trade and as soon as he shows up, we are required to pay him. A lot. The only power we truly have, should he arrive, is burying him on the depth chart. Fine by me, he’d be the best reserve in the league and in all likelyhood won’t cause too much drama.
Enjoying my annual three months of optimism.
let schobel show up to practice
and play for the bills. thats nix’s leverage…..and its not a bad one.
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
To us winning is a tradition. We are victors and need not explain. You may hate us, but your girlfriends love us. - BC
One more than Shaq. - Kobe answering how it felt to win Championship number 5
by silverstreak3k on Aug 4, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
I cant believe they would release him. At least look for a trade, I am at work right now and I just want to swear up a storm…this is crazy. If this comes back to bite us this season its going to suck really bad. I wouldn’t count one of the AFC east teams to look at him I know they all play 3-4 but you never know
A man must except his fate or be destroyed by it
If this comes back to bite us this season its going to suck really bad
Like instead of going 4-12, we go 3-13?
by billskk69 on Aug 4, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahhaha....rec'd
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
Class Act vs Classier Act
You know all this was done at least a week ago. Nix probably called every 4-3 team in the league seeing if they could work a trade. Other teams knew the score, expensive vet, doesn’t want to be with team, switching defenses, they all knew Buffalo would have to release him sooner or later.
If Schobel was a classier act he could have done one more thing for us. Renegotiate his contract so we could trade him, with the condition that he was traded to the team of his choice. Now it is nothing for something. I guess that is too much to hope for. Now the class act thing for him to do is not play in the AFC East.
by Moose68 on Aug 4, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now the class act thing for him to do is not play in the AFC East.
REC’D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on Aug 4, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
With all due respect for his playing time here...
Schobel showed no class at all in his handling of this situation…he only looked out for himself.
Act like a sober human being, not a drunk Internet username. -- Brian Galliford
by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 4, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Im ok with it
We were going to have to sever ties with him sooner and later. and The chances of getting anything decent in return was slim. He has served the Bills well, but we just free’d up a lot of room and ended this drama.
Life is a garden, dig it - Joe Dirt
Nothing for Something
Yep, pretty much sums up Buffalo.
Schobel’s contract really is only an issue if Buffalo tries to trade him to a team that Schobel doesn’t want to play for. If Buffalo could have traded him to a team Schobel wanted to go to, Schobel and the other team could have agreed to a new contract. Schobel’s current contract was basically just a way for him to veto being traded to Oakland.
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
Or for that matter to Houston, they already have two good DEs, and alot of money invested in them too
They may take him on as a backup at a reduced salary, but not in a trade at the 8 million dollar price tag
abayarde- "I SAY this get ready cause the BUFFALO BILLS ARE COMING TO TOWN and I dont mean like Santa clause. WE will not Surrender this is were you all FALL The WHAGON BLASTER IS TAKING OFF AND YOU PUNKS are in our way, This wagon has no BREAKS so get ready for the ride of the life time"
Just seen this on ESPN
That’s terrible….I mean at least “explore or be open to trade offers”….basically Buffalo just gave up and didn’t want this distraction interferring with their camp but still it would have been nice to get something out of it
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
I’m not going to freak out because we’re not in the front office and have no idea on the discussions that they have had with other teams.
Other than that – it is curious and I expect Nix to be asked the question at some point in an interview. So I will be patient and wait for his response.
If it’s not what I want to hear then I will freak out, but I do feel that his contract prohibitive for trading. But that doesn’t mean that something couldn’t get worked out.
We got the tools, We got the talent
I agree
Of course i would have liked us to get something in return, but if they felt that they couldnt and it was better to let him go, so be it. Its a done deal now, Retiring/FA same difference to me. As long as he doesnt end up on the pats.
Life is a garden, dig it - Joe Dirt
Also..
Nix up to this point (Gailey as well) have been really honest when asked questions. They say what they mean and do what they say. It seems like if they can’t answer a question they simply do not comment.
I bet we get a pretty straight answer. I will wait to here from Buddy.
Even if they ultimately got nothing for him, you still hold on to him and make any potential suitor wait. I agree that it looks as this point to just be Nix and Gailey wanting to be finished with a headache. This is why GMs get paid the big bucks. Unless there’s something we don’t know, this is ridiculous.
Schobel did meet with Ralph Wilson at some point after last season, I believe. Maybe the old man got sentimental and decided to cut Schobel loose. If so, let’s hope his sentimentalism extends to something like keeping the Bills in WNY after he departs this earth.
by Luther6 on Aug 4, 2010 10:01 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
thank God a voice of reason!
A lot of comments are demanding the Bills do what makes the most business sense and yet when Ralph Wilson passes we’ll all pray that whoever buys the Bills or whatever Ralph leaves in his will regarding the Bills will reflect a more loyalty and sentimental value then a business or financial value and keep the Bills in Buffalo.
Aaron Schobel was a good soldier for a long time and never went to the playoffs. Whats the point of holding him and making a suitor wait before they sign him? It will just hurt Schobel because he’ll have less options as teams get turned off of taking a guy who missed all of training camp. The Bills clearly didnt want to pay Schobel, Schobel clearly wanted to go to a winner or somewhere closer to his family and Ralph Wilson extended a long time and good employee a favor by giving him a chance to sign on somewhere and get to camp. A lot of players get shown this kind of courtesy by teams. We werent going to get anything for him with his salary.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Aug 4, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
helping me with seeing the other side of "the business"
in that players would respect the move, should they ever be enticed to actually play here, I suppose that could factor in. If we really have no play, and we just wanna do right by the guy, then i suppose, whatever. it isn’t like we are getting a future HOF in a trade… and we are saving the cap, and giving other guys a chance. i can’t actually fault them for anything, I just think that the fan base is going to see this as further examples of ineptitude.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
you might be right poz, but I don’t think it’s clear that the Bills don’t want to pay him. I’m pretty sure if he showed up the first couple days of camp the Bills would have been psyched, given him a physical, cut his $2 million check, fined him for missing mandatory OTAs and moved forward. I am however inclined to agree with you about him wanting to play for a winner and/or close to texas.
Enjoying my annual three months of optimism.
oh and rec'd Luther.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
@ Luther6
You made a good point about fans saying “do what’s best for the team” and then expecting the new owners to “do whats best for the fans”…
I want to know what loyalty Schobel has ever shown to the team. I mean, he was drafted by the Bills, he was paid very well to do his job, that’s it. What else? What did he do that was so loyal to Buffalo.
I dont get the move, regardless of his salary. Make him renogotiate in order to help facilitate a trade, but wait, Schobel would have to actually agree to that, which would show class and loyalty. IMO, he has shown Buffalo neither. He never complained when he was on a losing team for so long, big deal! He was paid, he played. He eas never a cancer on a bad team. Big deal! He disappeared for long stretches during the games and throughout each season. Did he ever offer to pay some of the money back? No, he was paid to do his job and he did, but thats all he did. The Bills showed him much loyalty by signing him to suck a large and long contract when he still had a year left on his previous contract. That is loyalty (from the FO).
I dont get this notion that the FO is doing him a favor, I think they tried to trade him and it was a “no-go”, Schobel destroyed all the leverage the Bills had long ago, so they are moving on. He deserves no more respect that any other average football player. I dont hate the guy at all, but I dont get all the love for him either.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 4, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I just don't get it anymore.
This is just nuts.
Dear God,
If we give you the Jonas Brothers, can you please give us back Jimi Hendrix?
Amen
by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 4, 2010 10:13 AM EDT reply actions
I have a couple of comments on this.
First of all Brian you are saying he is due 8.28 million for the year. PFT is reporting 6.025. Could this difference be because you are already including the 2 million dollar bonus? And was that already paid or did Schobel have to report to earn it?
Second comment would be that I believe possibly maybe Nix was trying to power play Schobel into coming back. Maybe a little reverse psychology to get him into camp. If that’s the way it happend, it didn’t work. I am not saying this is officially what happend just a possibility.
Third, after the press release saying Buffalo was moving on without him, how many teams would honestly give us anything of value in a trade for him? The only thing I could think would be Schobel and one of our picks for a player. The thought of even getting a 5th rounder for him went out the window with the press release. Realistically we would be looking at getting maybe a new box of footballs, a ball boy, and possibly if were lucky some new jock straps back for Schobel in a trade.
Fourth is I am glad this hasn’t had the opportunity to turn into the Brett Favre will he/won’t he every year. If I saw ESPN on Schobels’ front lawn literally tracking his every move in Texas I would go insane. I mean they reported Favre left his house with a bike in the back of his truck and they even went to the high school where he practices with teens to see if he went there. Insanity.
The $8.28 million figure came from a Football Outsiders cap analysis, as reported on ESPN.com. You can find that article in our archives. My guess is that the difference is bonus money that has already been paid to Schobel. The $6.025 million looks to be base salary, as that’s what shows up on Rotoworld, and is likely what the team will save by releasing him.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Hah you beat me on the roster bonus theory. I’m relatively sure his salary was ~$6 million, with a $2 million roster bonus, so total compensation for this season would be ~$8 million. Schobel would almost certainly have had to pass a physical to earn his roster bonus.
by Jeff Winters on Aug 4, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
That $2 million bonus was due in March, Jeff. At that time, he was technically on the active roster. I’m reasonably sure he’s already been paid that money.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Right, he was on the active roster as of 3/1. I’d be curious to see whether he had to pass a physical for the conditions of his bonus to be met, that’s all. I haven’t seen anything definitive on whether his bonus was actually paid, but I have a few articles that claim he hasn’t gotten that $2 million:
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/38529118/sports/player_news
“Schobel was due to earn $6.025 million in base salary this season. He could have collected an additional $2 million roster bonus in March simply by showing up at the Bills’ headquarters and passing a physical. But Schobel opted not to show up for that bonus.”
by Jeff Winters on Aug 4, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah yes, I remember that now. Interesting. You may have an excellent point here.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I won’t hold my breath for this, but when the Bills cut Schobel I hope Nix spells out exactly why because, on the surface, it appears to be a poor, misguided move by a franchise with no direction. But with a little digging, there might actually be a reasonable, logical theory behind it.
by Jeff Winters on Aug 4, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Any chance Aaron told OBD that he would take nothing from them – roster bonus etc… if they would just cut him -
That’s certainly possible as well. He could file a grievance as he’s got a relatively strong case because he was technically on the active roster.
by Jeff Winters on Aug 4, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
But he'd have to show up first
At which time the Bills could cut him. The timing of this is the really odd part.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Aug 4, 2010 10:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I certainly agree on the timing of it. My guess is there was little to no communication between the Bills and Schobel about whether he wanted to play until recently, when he told them he wanted to play, but for a different team. If he had told the Bills that earlier, they could have shopped him more effectively.
I wish the Bills had played hard-ball like the Packers did to Favre, but I think they wanted to ensure they didn’t have to pay his roster bonus.
by Jeff Winters on Aug 4, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
He would have to pass a physical to get his bonus...
he never took it and he never passed, so in effect, he was never “active” or palced on the active roster. The bonus will not be paid and the $6M will come off the books with no future penalties assessed to the team due to the current CBA rules.
Act like a sober human being, not a drunk Internet username. -- Brian Galliford
by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 4, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
If Schobel had reported to the Bills (or even threatened to report), he’d have to come off the Did Not Report list and put on the active roster. Additionally, I seem to remember that he had some sort of roster bonus ($2 million maybe?) due 3/1 of this year, which I believe the Bills would have to pay as soon as 1) he was on the active roster, and 2) he passed his physical. Therefore, if he shows up and passes his physical, he meets the conditions of the roster bonus. This is why I believe the Bills cut him—they couldn’t find a trade partner and they wanted to save the $2 million roster bonus.
Unrelated to Nix at all, but still relevant: how RIDICULOUS does Schobel’s seven-year, $50.5M extension in August 2007 look now?!
by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions
Looks as ridiculous as it did then
That was such an unnecessary contract.
Are the archices available for that story?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Aug 4, 2010 10:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Archives!
Damn you Blackberry!!!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Aug 4, 2010 10:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hey, the Archies were an awesome band, in real life, comic life and cartoon life!
abayarde- "I SAY this get ready cause the BUFFALO BILLS ARE COMING TO TOWN and I dont mean like Santa clause. WE will not Surrender this is were you all FALL The WHAGON BLASTER IS TAKING OFF AND YOU PUNKS are in our way, This wagon has no BREAKS so get ready for the ride of the life time"
That was the problem -- overpaid players can't be traded.
They can only be cut. Or forced to retire.
by Sixteenthback on Aug 4, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
thats it right there Brian
people are getting mad at Nix but you cant shop a 31 year old DE with a 8.25 million tag. We should be blaming whoever gave Schobel that extension – and i’m not really sure who it was because wasnt that given out during the inner circle years? And I never knew who was in charge of what during the Inner Circle years.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
Marv Levy was “in charge” when that was doled out. Jim Overdorf did most of the talking when the extension was signed.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
ugh
thanks for that info. Was it Marv and Overdorf who paid Kelsay too?
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
probably Marv – what a screw up he was
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on Aug 4, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As GM, it appears to be the case.
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Song recommendation of the week: Kings of Leon - Manhattan
by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
oh, it more than appears the case
as great as he was in the 80’s and 90’s for our team, he was equally NOT good for us recently. It seems that for whatever reason, the growth of the Bills organization seemed to stop sometime about 15 years ago, and as most other teams improved and adjusted to the way things have become in the league, OBD (along with many fans) just don’t seem to want to get with the times. we seem to have been battling “proven” logic in our drafts, free agency, contracts, and generally all major facets of the business.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
Maybe this happens because they’re all trying to conduct business in their zubaz.
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Song recommendation of the week: Kings of Leon - Manhattan
by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
haha
zubaz, and/or Don Johnson “Miami Vice” style suits with T-shirts… and not concerning themselves with being in the 21st century.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
Actually. I don’t know that those summer suits ever went out of style. I think if you were to head down to Florida or the Caribbean, you’d see plenty of guys dressed that way!
But i’m enjoying the thought of Ralph Wilson in a pair of zubaz and Starter sweatshirt, just barking out orderst to the new kids in town.
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Song recommendation of the week: Kings of Leon - Manhattan
by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
End of an era
I just threw out my last Bills zubaz. My wife rejoiced cause they were getting pretty ratty. I didn’t mind the holes so much, it was the fact that my ass didn’t fit in them anymore that clinched the deal. I explored a trade for a low round draft pick but there were no takers.
BTW: Why is it every time I go back to Buffalo, I hear Foghat, Bob Seger and the Steve Miller Band on the radio? 8-tracks, members-only, zubaz, Aaron Schobel….time to move on.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
lmfao
I explored a trade for a low round draft pick but there were no takers.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
Zubaz and the whole mess with Polian, Smith et al, we seem to have run off alot of good GMs here
abayarde- "I SAY this get ready cause the BUFFALO BILLS ARE COMING TO TOWN and I dont mean like Santa clause. WE will not Surrender this is were you all FALL The WHAGON BLASTER IS TAKING OFF AND YOU PUNKS are in our way, This wagon has no BREAKS so get ready for the ride of the life time"
Inconsistent!
Play hardball with Lynch to show the players you mean business, but let Schobel play his game with you and win! This is ridiculous and CHIX just lost some of my respect/approval.
I hope Schobel does play a couple more years, doesn’t make the playoffs and watches the Bills make it to the playoffs during that period, the years he was contracted to play here.
"Pressure is when you don't prepare, and I know I've prepared myself..."
-C.J. Spiller
seriously?
did u just compare a standup player like schobel to “one more incident w/ the law and ur suspended a year” lynch?
releasing schobel was the right thing to do on many levels….let the guy go to a team that could use him that isn’t trying to rebuild for the future. we weren’t going to receive anything for him anyway. CHIX just want up a notch in my book.
Coming from a Bills fan - right now, Schobel is a POS compared to Lynch...
-Schobel screwed the team and it’s fans over for his own personal gain, how is that being a stand-up guy?
-Lynch screwed himself over, he lost his starting position and a lot of respect from the NFL community but still showed up to TC in shape and is playing hard.
Coming from a non-Bill’s-fan-just-a-normal-human-being perspective, you have a point.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 4, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't Lynch ask to be traded?
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
Not officially
he said he felt as though his time was up in Buffalo from all the rumors of him being traded. My point is that while Lynch may have done some bad stuff, he is still on the team and is working hard (while being underpaid to be honest). While Schobel took the extension money and did not fulfill his end of the bargain and play out his contract(while being overpaid). If he wanted to retire, fine; but that was not his intent the entire time.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 4, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
nobody thinks they are overpaid.......would you turn down more money?
Blame if FO. And one could argue that the only reason Lynch is in shape and playing hard is to increase his value enough so that he can be traded. I am going to have to see a lot more out of Lynch for many many years before I put him anywhere near the same category as Schobel.
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
Of course not…the point was that he hasn’t done anything to be considered “loyal”…Lynch may very well be motivated for those reasons, but I’ll take it. At least he’s playing, which means more to me.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 5, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Schobel played for the Bills for nine years
without complaint or incident and is ready to hang it up after taking one last shot at a ring. Lynch has done none of those things.
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
What do really think they were going to get for him?
With his contract, his indecision about whether he wants to play or not, and his obvious location preference, there just couldn’t be a market for him. How could there be?
Forcing a guy to retire because you don’t want him anymore is pathetic and inhuman. The Bills decided to move on without Schobel, not the other way around, and giving him is outright release is a decent thing to do.
Donahoe
We all knock Donahoe…and he made a ton of mistakes. But he was a great poker player when it came to this type of stuff, as well as trading.
This is a joke and unacceptable. The Bills showed their hand way too early. They should have let Schobel linger as long as he wanted and worked the phones for a deal. Obviously, Schobel didn’t want to come to training camp…and he is not the first vet to pull a move like this to avoid training camp.
Just an awful decision to release him and shows other unhappy vets the Bills will cave to pressure. Schobel should have been fined every day he misses and the Bills should have said we welcome him back when he comes. I know Revis is a better player than Schobel but I wish the Bills would have taken the same approach the Jets are w. Revis.
Sad, and it obviously starts at the top with Ralph.
pats want schobel
just heard on nfl radio that the pats would love to sign schobel. that would be awful
insult to injury
if that happened, CHIX should be shot. Having him rushing against our “stalwart” OL, would be ridiculous.
This is the perfect reason to let him sit on the DNR
"Give back some of that F*ing money you ain't earned!" - Eric Wood screaming at Aaron Maybin
Schobel is going to have a good amount of offers because it’s impossible to have enough pass rushers. If he signs with a team that’s far away from Texas, it’ll be a Favre-ian situation on a lesser scale. I’d imagine Bills fans’ venom would switch from the front office to Schobel if he actually went to the Pats.
by Jeff Winters on Aug 4, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
itd still be squarely on the FO for me. Thats why you force the guy to play for you or retire. You signed the deal, you deal with the signing.
by quantumuprising on Aug 4, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
i dont want to believe
that Schobel would do that to Buffalo. If he does I will eat a ton of crow for every nice word I’ve said about him and start a bonfire to which all who own Schobel jerseys are welcome to come and burn theirs at. I think hes going to the Saints honestly.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
I think if the Texans want him at all, he’s theirs. It’s just too perfect location-wise and team-wise for Schobel to pass up.
by Jeff Winters on Aug 4, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
"start a bonfire to which all who own Schobel jerseys are welcome to come and burn theirs at"
I had a credit card that let me redeem points for NFL crap. They’re winding the program down, so a lot of the stock is running low. Got a Spiller jersey out of it, but the only other jersey in the size I wanted was Schobel.
Hope polyester makes for a pretty flame.
idk why you seem so concerned about him moving in the AFC East
if he wanted to relearn defense, he could do that here. Now, I understand the difference between our team, and our division opponents, in terms of relative standing in the league. These guys ALL have a better chance than us, and we all know that. I just find it interesting that you feel it is far more of a “not wanting to be involved in a rebuild” and less “not wanting to relearn how to play in the NFL” at this point in his career. I am not in disagreement, I simply find it interesting that you feel that he prefer NOT to play for a team that has a chance at a similar turnaround to a number of examples of teams, where they made the switch on the defensive side, and had newfound success. I personally feel as though he prefer to stay a DE, and not have to “start over”, and this is influencing the number of potential trade suitors, as well as the likelihood of Schobel to report, and thus impacting his trade value so severly, we know we will see nothing.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
most reports suggest
Dallas, Houston, New Orleans. Interesting that if he wants to try and learn a new position, he could do it in Dallas as well, and still be close to his family. If he rather try and get on the team of which he is a known fan, lives close to, has friends on the staff, and gets to be exactly what he has been for years? I bet he does it for far less than 6 million too, just for the feasible shot at playoffs. if only for the experience.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
geographically, those teams make sense and have playoff potential
I wonder if the Chargers are a dark horse candidate?
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
Remember, that’s something on a radio show. Until their front office holds a news conference, it’s all just speculation.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
awful for who
if they want him, and he gets a chance to win, fine. he will be retired before buffalo is a playoff contender again. we need to stop thinking about 2010 and start thinking about 2011 and a top 5 pick in the draft. let some of the kids play and show what they got!
by jeters02 on Aug 4, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ya – what he said. rec’d
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on Aug 4, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
A ???? on Schobel
Normally a team will put a player on waivers, then the very worst team to the best team get to put a claim in if they want him. Is this not in effect or can the Bills by-pass waivers and just give Schobel is outright release????
.
Jimmy McGinty: You know what the difference is between a winner and a loser?
Shane Falco: The score.
If a player has 4 years of service time, once they are placed on waivers, their current contract is terminated and they are free to sign with any team. Therefore, only players with less than 4 years of service time are subject to the waiver system.
by Jeff Winters on Aug 4, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
JW--Thanks for the clarification..
Jimmy McGinty: You know what the difference is between a winner and a loser?
Shane Falco: The score.
This will change my opinion of Nix greatly
if we are to let this guy walk and get nothing. At least force his hand….. don’t release him until he makes the “bad guy” move and shows up but won’t play. Giving away assets is a sure fire way to run your business into the ground.
Giggity
ps, this is why i consider this a major embarrasment (via pft, think of it what you may):
After insisting that Schobel would not be released, the Bills now reportedly plan to simply set him free. (For those of you who wonder why the team has been so mediocre-to-bad lately, we hope you’re paying attention right now.)
and in the comments:
Let’s go Buffalo. To Toronto.
It’s sad to watch a franchise with such a rich history tank year after year. I’m not even a Buffalo fan and it bothers me. I can only imagine what the folks who root for this amateur organization must go through. My condolences…
The Bills are the biggest joke in the NFL. Raiders fans can rejoice that they no longer hold that title/bear that burden.
you can talk all the junk about PFT that you want, but this is the national image of the Bills, and this situation makes it a bunch worse.
by quantumuprising on Aug 4, 2010 11:34 AM EDT reply actions
I don’t recall Nix ever insisting that the Bills would not release him. I do remember Chris Brown saying it was “clear” that Schobel would be released, but the only thing Nix said was that he’d go on DNR until he decided whether he wanted to play or not.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
No Nix, didn't say that
he said the decision would be made once they knew what he wanted to do.
what really would be the point of not allowing him to find another team? he isn’t going to play in Buffalo as he stated he wanted to remain closer to home. If he signs with New England or any other team not in close proximity to his home, that shows he outright lied about his intentions with regards to his family.
It is obvious what the Bills choices were, no team was going to obsorb that contract when they knew if Schobel wanted to play the Bills would release him. Nix isn’t dumb, I’m sure he has made calls for sometime now trying to guage what the market is.
The Bills have stated they have moved on, preventing him from playing with another team would prove that they in fact have not moved on.
Yeah I think we’re taking Chris Brown’s language and inserting it into Buddy Nix’s mouth. Brown said Schobel wouldn’t be released, not Nix.
by Jeff Winters on Aug 4, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Not a big deal to me. There was no trade market for him because he barely wants to play this year let alone beyond that. Had he never openly said he was considering retiring we might have been able to sneak a trade through but once he did what team is going to give up anything substantial for him with him only playing one year? Neither side has played hard ball to this point and for Nix to start now would be a bit of a dick move. They are taking the high road with a player who has done nothing but earn the right to be treated this way. I believe him when he says its a family issue more then anything and I don’t see the Pat’s offering more then 8 million to play out of his normal position. It’s not like its simply a contract issue where he’s not making enough and wants out of town to the next highest bidder. I’d rather this F.O. earn and keep a reputation that if you earn it they treat you right and if not Lynch is your example of what happens when you haven’t earned it.
by Robot Nixon on Aug 4, 2010 11:55 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The only big deal for me: How much were they relying on Schobel to play this season? Were they not prepared to go without him?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m wondering if what changed Nix’s mind was a quiet agreement with Schobel that he would not sign with any team in the AFC East. It would of course be a matter of Schobel’s honor and not legally binding, but Schobel is a pretty honorable guy.
I’m certain Schobel will consider what tackles and QBs he would face in each division, and attempt to land in the most favorable situation. He should want to coast at this point, not have to re-think how he plays the game.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Im not picking a fight...
but I see this sentiment all over this thread…
but Schobel is a pretty honorable guy.
Why does this get said about him? Because he never got in any off-field trouble? Schobel wasn’t a leader in the clubhouse, he wasn’t out doing great things for the city of Buffalo. He wasn’t the last one after practice signing autographs…the guy came in and did his job, and he got paid for it.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 4, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
What I heard...
That Schobel might sign with the Pats, because derrick burgess and they already tried another OLB earlier. I hope this dosn’t happen because i hate the pats.
Season to BILLieve!
I think he said above he heard it on NFL radio.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Not even suprising in the slightest.......
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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 4, 2010 12:34 PM EDT reply actions
My Guess
As many have said they didn’t want to pay his roster bonus.
As far as trading his $6 million base salary… ? I thought they could pay a portion of it to make a trade more palatable? Then you are essentially buying a draft pick, and an expensive one at that, but this is also an uncapped season.
No. It seems pretty clear to me this was purely a money decision.
I’m trying to rationalize. Rather than make the ubiquitous ‘ralph is cheap’ remark, I think it tells us all about where the Bills think they are: far from competing (no sense in spending even if there are no lingering effects on cap.)
Go Bills?
Thou isth now selling thy KoolAid...
I asked this last week - maybe this is what Aaron has told Nix he will do.
Is there any way he holds out so long, the bills cut him when he wants to come back? Due to them feeling he would be worthless in the new system from missing so much time?
by Buffalo Mo on Jul 27, 2010 2:36 PM PDT via mobile
If the Bills cut him, he would be gone… to another team, one that is contending.
by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 27, 2010 2:49 PM PDT
Which is what I thought he wanted. So, in turn, would it benefit him to keep sitting at home until week one, then report.
by Buffalo Mo on Jul 27, 2010 3:05 PM PDT via mobile
Well, that seems pretty reasonable when you consider Matt Leinart’s story.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
NOBODY in their right mind would trade for Schobel
he’s already damaged his value by not showing up and playing his word games for the last eight months. Plus he’s getting paid a salary the Bills were suckered into negotiating because they felt he was really a team player so who would want to pay that amount for an above average aging pass rusher? The Bills could either be vindictive and as unprofessional as Shobel was and hold on to him just for the hell of it or take the higher road and get rid of someone who didn’t give a damn about the team or fans anyway. I commend them on making the right decision.
Is it possible..
They might want to use the extra cash to land a player they need?(LT?)
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Aug 4, 2010 12:49 PM EDT reply actions
I doubt they are looking to pick up anyone else anytime soon.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 4, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
They’re always looking to pick people up. I doubt that anyone worthwhile will be available any time soon.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
well yeah this..
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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 4, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Lose a good player, get nothing in return
It’s business-as-usual in Buffalo.
After letting this sit for a bit
And reading some great responses here, I’d have to believe a few things:
1. Schobel wants to play
2. He wants to play close to home and/or for a winner
3. The Bills want the situation/any drama resolved ASAFP.
I think most will agree with those. Now I would have to believe that more likely than not:
4. The Bills didn’t care to entertain offers
OR
5. Schobel’s contract is too much of a hindrance for any trade.
I think the former is more likely. Schobel could always work a trade to a team of his choice, AND agree to a revised contract involving a pay cut. I really don’t think the Bills wanted to bother working a trade for him, for whatever reason. The timing of the release seems to be a real indication of that to me. If my hunch is true, Nix should get a big fat stamp of disapproval for the handling of this situation. I really want to give him the benefit of the doubt here, but signs point to him “punting on 3rd down”. Prove us wrong Buddo!
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by Kurupt on Aug 4, 2010 1:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
comment below is in response to reference above... i know i hit reply ; )
and either way….
REC’d
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
I think it’s more likely that we have no suitors for Schobel. I’d guess he’s made it known to Bill Kollar that he wants to play in Houston, and then Kollar has confirmed their interest in Schobel. Schobel, knowing that any team who trades for him will want to re-work his contract, basically undermines his own value by making it obvious that he only wants to play for one team and by telling the Bills “hey, I’ll only go to Houston.” That one team knows they’re the only real suitor and they also know the Bills won’t keep him indefinitely, so why would they give a draft pick? Why bid against yourself when you’re very likely to end up with him anyway?
by Jeff Winters on Aug 4, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I couldn't imagine Houston is the only suitor
I might be surprised they were a suitor at all, actually. They don’t need him.
Even if the Texans, or any one team, were the only suitor, the Bills don’t have to release him. If Schobel said something like thaty to OBD, they could tell him “fine, work out a trade to Houston and we’ll agree to it”. Not to mention, if he gets released some other team, maybe a Dallas or New Orleans could swoop in with a generous offer to play for a winner closer to home. To guarantee any team gets him, they’d have to trade for him….
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by Kurupt on Aug 4, 2010 1:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wouldn't Schobels confirmed "talks" with Kollar constitute tampering?
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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 4, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
excellent inference
but signs point to him "punting on 3rd down"
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
Burned...
I am reading good viewpoints on both sides of the how and why the Bills would be willing to simply grant Schobel his release. Personally, I think the guy is overrated. A good player, yes. A good person, he seemed to be prior to hitting his head and thinking he’s the next Brett Favre (or whatever). I think he deserves credit for what he achieved during his time with the Bills… what are those achievements? All personal accomplishments… he looked good on often bad teams. He compiled stats that weren’t mind-boggling, but were consistently better than all of those around him. However, last I checked… football was a team game and he never took the Bills or even just their defense to another level. He’ll never be anywhere the type of rare player that Bruce Smith was for us (or many other superstars for other teams). He’s a very solid player… similar to what London Fletcher has achieved in his career – impressive stats, but nothing of great enough significance to make his team good enough to compete.
That being said, I’m glad he’s gone and that the Bills made sure it wasn’t a distraction throughout the preseason. Let’s face it, this team has enough going on trying to figure out if they can compete for 3rd place in their division… they don’t need to worry about some guy too lazy to practice (he said himself that he never practiced hard throughout his career)… that, by the way, is an opportunity for real leaders to make those around them better (esp. younger guys). What bothers me most about how the Bills came to this decision??? What took them do darn long?! The should have made this move months ago… AND THEN they probably could have gotten something in return for him! None of us are geniuses here, but many of us came up with one trade scenario after another where moving Schobel in the offseason could have put this team in a better position to succeed. Now they have nothing to show for it. He who waits, often gets left behind. That is what happened here with the Bills. Don’t worry about Nix… I like the guy, but he’s right about one thing those city slicker types are scary to make deals with, they may actually give up something if you try to make a move proactively and at the right time (when teams are still shaping their rosters to fit their budgets).
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A good person, he seemed to be prior to hitting his head and thinking he’s the next Brett Favre (or whatever).
I fail to see how this situation is much different than what happened with Bruce Smith. Schobel was mulling retirement, a process that every human being who works go through. He decided that he wasn’t ready, but then realized that Buffalo wasn’t the best fit for him, or his agenda. There’s no shame in him coming to this realization.
I think people will attempt to villify Aaron Schobel in the days, weeks, even months ahead. That would be unfortunate from this fan’s perspective.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I would love to be able to agree with you..........
however Schobel could have said MONTHS ago he wanted to be traded instead of doing this “hemming and hawing” and delaying…….I’m sorry, He’s no more special then you or I, who is he to keep waffling between what he wants to do.
It’s a bullspit attention draw if I’ve ever seen one………Be a fricken man and tell people what you want.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 4, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
We don’t know that he didn’t ask the team. We just simply don’t know what was said in private conversations.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
It's pretty clear that the team and Schobel didnt talk all that much in the offseason.
And its been that way for a couple offseason now.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 4, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
True. I guess I just can’t get behind the whole “say what you end up wanting before you’ve given it much thought” argument. He didn’t hold the team up. They held themselves up. I’m sure he probably did think he wanted to retire, because he wasn’t sure he could take another rebuild or figure out how he’d fit in on a new team.
I know I can’t get behind the bashing of him for any of this, at least not right now. It needs to digest a bit, before I can say he deserves to be lambasted.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure I can understand not making the decision a week after the season is over.....
but 6 months?
Thats a bit ridiculous IMO.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 4, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s fair. I think it’s also fair that he wanted to see just how the team’s defense was going to be shaped, and what type of development he could expect from it, and for him.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
But again, why is any of this Schobel’s fault? The Bills could have made their own decision to try and trade him months ago. Now they just say “oh well.” It’s like the McNabb and Cowher situation, to some degree. We don’t know what they did in either of those situations, but they pretty much just surrendered to defeat. So now they appear to only have had a plan IF he was playing for them. Not if he wasn’t. They likely didn’t plan on trying to trade the guy. That’s their fault, in my opinion. It’s not helpful that they seem pretty uninterested in working something out with another team.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh Im not absolving the organization of any blame.........
Poor decisions like this is why the team has been horrible for over a decade.
They reap what they sow.
Schobel’s already made so much money he never has to work a day in his life again if he doesnt want to.
He doesnt deserve this much power.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 4, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Poor decisions like this is why the team has been horrible for over a decade
incorrect – poor drafting and not finding a QB is why. you guys are going out of control on this
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on Aug 4, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
We guys? Or you guys as in this thread’s participants? We’re having a meaningful conversation on a matter in which we’re both rather interested.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
lol – no out of control on how this is the reason why the Bills have sucked for 10+ years. i’ve seen it a few times in this thread.
that makes no sense – it has been poor drafting, poor coaching and no franchise QB that is the reason we have been terrible
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on Aug 4, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I haven’t mentioned why I think the Bills have sucked for a decade in this string. Until now…
I think it boils down to a QB, his coach, and his line. But mainly the QB and his coach.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I blame it on
bad weather, no economy, “nothing to do”, or whatever stigma the media throws on us next… these things in a way, dictate a number of the other situations, like coaching, free agent players not interested in being here….
just kidding. these are additional factors though. Poor drafting, poor coaching, and NO OFFENSIVE consistancy (unless you wanna hold to the fact that we have been consistantly in the top 5 WORST OFFENSES over the last 7 years), but don’t forget to add in poor run stopping ability, and injuries in recent years….. there are PLENTY of reasons or places to put blame.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
incorrect?
isnt everything you said the result of “poor decisions” (which is what I said?)
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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 4, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh and i’m not saying Schobel is Robin Hood (men in tights) here, either. It’s just that I think it’s unfair to say that a play has this control over an entire organization. Even with Favre. The Vikings let it become what they did, because they fell into the mystique of Favre.
So with Schobel, the Bills should have had scenarios laid out. If he returns, then he — hopefully — pans out in the 3-4. If he retires, great career. If he wants to play, but is frustrated in Buffalo: let’s see how to work the angle to our best benefit.
Now it seems they’re scrambling like the other team just executed an onside kick. Scrambling can be such even if the response is swift.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I definitely agree
Favre has set the stage for all this posturing. Players know when they are ready to retire. Brad Butler knew when his body said enough didn’t he?
The only thing I can think of is..
it must be the paperwork. I mean, they already have to print like 5 copies of Spiller’s contract to sign (whever the heck that happens) and trade paperwork is like 5x as much as just teraring up an exisitng contract. (Hope you get my sarcasim)
Just frustrating with what appears to be a stupid business decision. Seriously, there has to be someone out there willing to give up a 5th rd for the guy, right. Something, anything?
Just another off-season embarassment and misfortune...
Between the player cutting and coaches firing last season, to the coaching snubs from the big names coaches like Cowher, Shanahan, and Gruden, to the NFL Free Agency Snub by McNabb, now we are dealing with one of the last draft picks holding out on us and veterans that don’t want to play for us anymore that were faces of our franchise.
When does it all end??? Hopefully with a winning record and playoff berth in a few years.
Just wondering out loud, could this be a compensatory draft pick play?
I don’t claim to know anything about compensatory picks, but, just maybe, do they think they would get more in compensatory picks? By releasing him, he technically becomes a free agent. If he excells somewhere else, the BILLS could earn a compensatory pick or two in round 3 or 4, which may be more then any offer on the table now.
Big gamble. Am I completely wrong on that train of thought?
Nope… We released him, we don’t get any, if he was a FA that would be different.
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 4, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s like the Losman situation. (Sort of. Gross.)
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Often indecision can be worse or the same as poor decision. IE Schobel.
Schobel should be the one to suffer over this not the Bills. The OBD should keep there stance of retirement or trade. I am always held to any contracts I sign why should he be different. And I don’t take Sheftler’s reporting as always truth. He’s a bad reporter as far as I am concerned.
OK - My approval for Nix is at in all time low
As you stated this makes NO sense. We have to cover his contract, we don’t get anything for him, and he is open on the market (Bills cannot hand pick his landing location). We could have negotiated a trade for him and paid some of his salary, couldn’t we? (I actually don’t know, but it happens in baseball all the time). Then we wouldn’t be on the hook for all of his guaranteed money.
Great the poor get poorer.
Buddy Nix has made a few highly questionable moves to me
- Not tendering Incognito (should have tendered/traded him)
- Not re-signing Josh Reed (this guy produced and our WR corp is VERY week past Evans)
- Not providing ANY answer at Left Tackle
- Not providing ANY answer at Quarterback
- Signing Green (goes against everything “the plan” stands for… Old, fill in the void guy).
I am sure you guys will defend him tooth and nail, but what has he done for us lately? Is Gaither on our team yet!?!??!
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 4, 2010 2:12 PM EDT reply actions
Gaither is overrated – he gave up the 2nd most QB pressures of any tackle last season. I’ll see if I can find the article on stampedeblue.com but he was awful at protecting the passer last season
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on Aug 4, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d imagine there had to be a reason they drafted Oher. that organization usually makes sound moves during the draft.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes I am MUCH happier with Bell/Meredith/Wang at LT.
Specifically my point is that Nix has not addresses specific issues our team has.
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 4, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
“The thing people want to know, more so than why we picked Spiller, is why we didn’t pick a tackle or a quarterback. Picking a tackle that you don’t feel good about being the answer, only satisfies people in the summer. Come October, if that ol’ boy can’t play, and is not what you’ve got to have there, then it doesn’t satisfy anybody. I’m not trying to satisfy them in the summer.”
Buddy Nix DemocratandChronicle.com
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on Aug 4, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t understand why they didn’t think ANYONE at LT would fit the “Bill.” I can understand QB, because no one was a sure-fire hit. But LT? Come on.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Beyond Okung and T. Williams, who was there? Did you really want to blow #9 on a slow, not athletic guy like Bulaga who is more suited to Guard or RT? Charles Brown and his bum knee? Besides the top two guys drafted, it’s hard to tell if any of those draft picks would be better than Bell this year.
They could have traded up, right? For a ransom, sure. But that could have ensured they got an Okung or Williams.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
obviously not
they probably tried to move up to top 6 but once they couldn’t it didn’t matter anymore
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
Sure, they could have mortgaged the farm to trade up. However, by doing so, you would murder the best asset a team can have in this league: young, cheap players. Unless you think a guy is going to be Peyton Manning, trading picks is generally a bad idea.
We have more holes than LT, and need all the young talent we can get. As the saying goes, you don’t steal from Peter to pay Paul.
Actually
isn’t the saying "stealing from Peter to pay Paul? So yeah, according to that saying you do steal from Peter to pay Paul. I’ve got to much time on my hands… better get back to looking busy!
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by buffalobacker on Aug 4, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m with you on Incognito. Not sure many others feel the same way. If Bill Parcells found him valuable enough to sign, why didn’t he stick in Buffalo?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe character
who knows. could have been almost anything. I think he was worth keeping, on a team with such lack of depth for interior lineman. My hope is that Watkins is literally that solid… and we just don’t need anyone else. There is absolutely no evidence to support this, but one can hope. : )
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
The problem with saying we should trade Aaron is that we have zero leverage. Had he quietly approached Nix and requested a trade that would be one thing. Instead he say’s he’s considering retiring which instantly turns on warning bells to any potential suitor that they could be giving up a player of pick for a someone they may not get more then a year out of.
With Incognito what sort of leverage would we have in a trade? he was here for part of a season and didn’t have any major on field issues that’s a bout it. That doesn’t erase his tenancy to make stupid decisions on the field the same way behaving in Buffalo barely help TO get a new team. Richie got signed as a FA because its a lot easier to part with money then it is players and picks.
Reed had his moments but he was not great and with a log jam of young receivers they had to make room so they could see who they have and who’s worth keeping. By the time the rebuild is over he would be off the team anyway.
They are providing answers at LT and QB this year by doing their due diligence and seeing if there is anything worth salvaging currently on the roster. It’s called a rebuilding process for a reason you cant fix everything in one year. The defense was addressed this year with what appear to be solid picks and FA acquisitions.
by Robot Nixon on Aug 4, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
We could have let Schoebel retire, there is the leverage we had… Then we wouldn’t have to eat his salary.
The Incognito move would have been to let other teams sniff around, put a really low tender and let someone sign him, pick up a late round draft pick… Remember many teams showed interest in him.
Reed was an ultra-competitive veteran whom would be a contributor on this team… Keep him jettison Parrish.
Stop with the “due diligence” stuff… To count on Bell/Meredith/Wang or any of our QBs being long term answers is just foolish.
Tired of hiding behind the vail of “rebuilding”.
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 4, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
but, we weren’t rebuilding last year and some can argue the year before. Those were suppose to be “the years” – the plan failed – now it’s a new plan
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on Aug 4, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
but, we weren’t rebuilding last year and some can argue the year before.
This is something that gets constantly lost in the “WE’VE BEEN REBUILDING FOR A DECADE” crowd. We actually tried to win the last few years, but we just didn’t perform or were good enough.
by Jeff Winters on Aug 4, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
very on point. earned a rec, i say
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
Ummm, then what do you call switching to a new defense, firing a bunch of FO people, letting vets of failed GMs past go?
As JW and J2 noted, these past 2 seasons under DJ were supposed to be “the” years where we contended. Didn’t happen, back to the drawing board. This isn’t baseball where you can spend you way out of a jam, please see “Redskins, The” under Daniel Snyder.
abayarde- "I SAY this get ready cause the BUFFALO BILLS ARE COMING TO TOWN and I dont mean like Santa clause. WE will not Surrender this is were you all FALL The WHAGON BLASTER IS TAKING OFF AND YOU PUNKS are in our way, This wagon has no BREAKS so get ready for the ride of the life time"
Fair
It would be fair to let the season unfold before we Make Nix “walk the plank”, so to speak. Rome wasn’t built in a day etc.. etc…
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by buffalobacker on Aug 4, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
You are right… Maybe Bell will be the next pro-bowl LT, and Levi Brown will lead us to the Superbowl… If he shows us “the baby” I will shut up.
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 4, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
What does Schobel's DNR status mean for his contract obligations?
Are the Bills required contractually to compensate Schobel even though he was not on the active roster and did not report to camp. It seems to me unless Schobel had something in his contract that required us to pay him even though he did not report there would be no reason to release him outright. Why not force his hand to retire or trade with the Texans if he wants to play there so bad. That being said I would hate to see Schobel take his unrestricted free agent status and sign with someone in the division….Patriots. It’s unlikely I know, but crazier things have happened. Hence, Brett Farve playing for the Vikings
Are the Bills required contractually to compensate Schobel even though he was not on the active roster and did not report to camp.
Nope – just like if you didn’t show up for work.
Why not force his hand to retire or trade with the Texans if he wants to play there so bad.
That is the million dollar (actually $8.28M dollar) question.
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on Aug 4, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
At first I was feeling simular to most in thinking this is wrong and we are taking the easy way out,
but honestly now i don’t care.
He obviously wants to play and not for us. He has had a good career for us and now wants to be close to home and on a team with a chance to win some games and maybe make it to the playoffs (not that i think the Texans will make it to the playoffs, because i don’t).
I also do not think that he would have been that big of a contributor for us in the 3-4 system. Nix and Gailey are evaluating this team this year and looking for the future. Schobel would only take away playing time away from young guys that can either plays or not. If we were looking to play for a super bowl this year, we would probably not have drafted C.J and we would probably have signed more FA’s.
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by billsoferie on Aug 4, 2010 7:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Well said...
Rec’s
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