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Bills Training Camp: Offense Continues To Struggle

The Buffalo Bills are renovating their entire offensive system under new head coach Chan Gailey, and after looking solid early in camp, Buffalo's offense has struggled mightily of late, and that trend continued on Thursday afternoon.

All four quarterbacks looked poor. Balls routinely hit the ground in 7-on-7 and 11-on-11 drills. Passes were forced into coverage. Check-down receivers were utilized frequently. Receivers struggled to get open. Penalty flags were thrown, balls were fumbled, and passes rarely traveled further than ten yards down the field.

I spent the sweaty afternoon at St. John Fisher College focusing solely on the offense, so after the jump, you won't find any analysis of the defense. I'll be at camp Friday night and Saturday as well, so I'll spend some time there; today, I wanted to focus just on the offensive side of the ball. That's probably why I ended up catching the bus back to my vehicle a bit earlier than anticipated.

Passing Game Woes Aren't Just On The Quarterbacks
Buffalo's four quarterbacks have been getting a lot of heat for the team's recent offensive woes, but believe me when I say that they're just the tip of the iceberg.

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Trent Edwards is still the most consistent and accurate quarterback on the roster, and it's not close. He's also the most conservative, as both Brian Brohm (who ran with the twos today) and Ryan Fitzpatrick were at least willing to take a shot or two down the field each. Edwards threw a lot of short routes Thursday, many of which were forced into very tight coverage. Even while struggling, I still thought he was the best quarterback on the field - although Brohm looked better than he did last Friday, when he was the third man in the rotation.

Both Brohm and Fitzpatrick struggled with their accuracy Thursday. Both overthrew outs and slants, and Fitzpatrick still struggles to naturally generate a lot of velocity on his throws. Brohm made some nice touch throws underneath and looked decisive, but still wasn't effective making completions.

The quarterbacks aren't great, folks. That's not going to change, and that's probably the last time we'll cover them in a camp setting. But the problem permeates deeper than this position, folks.

Receivers Struggling To Get Open
You don't need to worry about Lee Evans. He's still Lee Evans, and one of three - yes, three - offensive players that consistently looks like he knows what he's doing. He's the only receiver that looks crisp and practiced in all of his movements, no matter what type of drill or session is being run. He'll be just fine. You knew that already.

You also knew that the rest of the team's receiving corps was young and unpolished. That was on display in spades Thursday. There's not a polished route-runner on the team outside Evans; there's a lot of wasted upper body movement and choppy footwork when these guys are trying to get in and out of cuts. As a result, quarterbacks are hitching their deliveries waiting for breaks even during drills without coverage, and a receiver gaining separation in full team work is a rarity. Hence the check-downs, and hence passes being forced.

Still, there's a lot to like about this group. For one, most of these guys are quite adept at making catches in traffic. For another, on occasion, one of these players will run a route so brilliant that they find themselves wide open. Steve Johnson, Chad Jackson and Felton Huggins show up the most, while Roscoe Parrish gets the most targets. James Hardy ran a great route today and made the catch over the middle, but the ball was promptly stripped from behind by, I believe, Ashton Youboty. The lack of consistency from the group at large is alarming, and is nearly as big a reason for the poor offensive performance as the shoddy quarterback play.

At tight end, keep your eye on Jonathan Stupar. He's hardly remarkable athletically, but he does everything pretty well, and looks natural catching the football. Michael Matthews is a pretty good blocker, but boy, does he look rough running routes and catching the ball. Shawn Nelson, meanwhile, falls victim to many of the shortcomings as the receivers - poor route-running. He's got excellent hands, and once he hones his concentration and cleans up his technique, he'll be a fine underneath option for this team.

Running Game Still The Lone Bright Spot
I mentioned earlier that three offensive players look like they know what they're doing on the practice field, and emanate a palpable feeling of "hey, these guys might actually be good in 2010." Evans was one. Fred Jackson and Marshawn Lynch are the other two.

Jackson had another practice with some sizable runs - one for a touchdown - and Lynch was right there with him, stride for stride. Jackson looked good returning kicks, and Lynch showed off nice hands on a couple of short routes. The only problem I saw with either of these two runners today: Lynch was a hair late picking up Donte Whitner on a blitz, and Whitner had enough of a head of steam where he'd have been in play for a sack or a strip opportunity.

Joique Bell continues to impress, as well, as he had another long run on Thursday. Chad Simpson is a quick guy, but didn't stand out in any particular way. Jackson is still the team's best pass protector, simply because he has the best awareness of the group. Also, the Bills used a lot of formations today in which Corey McIntyre lined up at fullback, and as he's still the only by-trade fullback on the roster, don't be shocked if he makes the cut again. He had a false start today during walk-through work.

Why I Can't Wait For Pre-Season Games
It's really difficult for me to muster any sort of desire to watch pre-season football, but one justifiable reason for doing so is to watch the offensive line play live football. I don't have a lot to say about these guys today, because I spent the vast majority of my time watching the skill position players. The run blocking remains much more consistent than the pass blocking, though there weren't any noticeable gaffes (aside from the minor one I mentioned regarding Lynch) today.

I did watch one extended drill in which the linemen were lined up in a cage, in an effort to keep them from standing upright at the snap. Basically, it was a leverage drill. I watched that drill to see explosion out of the stance and hand punch, and the most impressive players there were Andy Levitre and, oddly, Andre Ramsey. I wasn't particularly fond of Jamon Meredith's hand use. Demetrius Bell looked super fluid firing out of his stance. Kyle Calloway was the last lineman to rotate through on every drill, and is by far the least athletic lineman on the team.

Keep your ears open for more on Ramsey, because he appears to have made a move up the depth chart. Granted, it helps that Kirk Chambers is getting most of his reps at tackle now, and it also helps that both Eric Wood and Cordaro Howard missed practice again. But it was Ramsey that was running with the first team at right guard today, alongside Meredith, who replaced Cornell Green (rest).

The Injury Front
Kyle Williams left practice early today with what looked like a hand issue. He was on the field for a while, but eventually left. Jason Watkins also walked off the field with trainers, though it was difficult to see anything wrong with him.

Cornell Green, Ed Wang, Eric Wood, Cordaro Howard, Marcus Easley, David Nelson, Derek Schouman, Spencer Johnson, Chris Kelsay, Danny Batten, Paul Posluszny, Keith Ellison and John Destin all missed practice today, and again, they were joined by Williams and Watkins. That means that the Bills ended practice with just 65 players on the field.

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Wish I can say I'm surprised

I’m hoping that Spiller can line up in the slot or as a fourth receiver and provide Trent another decent option.

Brian – With the way the WR’s played – do you think any QB could be successful in this offense? I’m concerned that we’re coming down hard on Trent but I’d love to imagine what one of last year’s Pro Bowl QB’s would be able to accomplish in this offense. By the sounds of it, it doesn’t sound like they could do much more.

by BuffaloFanFromCT on Aug 5, 2010 8:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t like answering that type of hypothetical, because it’s just one practice, and so much can happen. I do know that the quarterbacks’ struggles over the past couple of days aren’t totally on just their shoulders.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 5, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with Brian on this one, it’s only one practice

I’d also remind everyone that our secondary is one of the best in the league so throwing against them is not easy to start with.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 6, 2010 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

How much improvement?

Brian, you mentioned that Brohm looked better than last week at least (yes, and that Tent was still vastly better than him). I was wondering how rapid, or great of an improvement it was and what seemed better(footwork, decision making…etc)?

Cornell Green to C.J. Spiller-
"You’re all clear, kid! Now let’s win this thing and go home!"

by TexasBillsFanatic on Aug 5, 2010 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

He just looked more comfortable overall to me. Looked better in his drops, more decisive, threw a better ball. Still struggled right along with the rest of them.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 5, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, here’s to hoping he continues to improve. Even if he doesn’t claim the top spot over Trent it would be nice to have a solid quality quarterback who’s still on the upswing.

Cornell Green to C.J. Spiller-
"You’re all clear, kid! Now let’s win this thing and go home!"

by TexasBillsFanatic on Aug 5, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll be quite happy if he wins the QB2 spot.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 6, 2010 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Once again a informative recap of the days events. Thanks, Brian.

Home of "Spiller the Thriller"

by buffalobacker on Aug 5, 2010 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Well at least the run is doing good since we have 3 very good RBs.

Season to BILLieve!

by mroy1239 on Aug 5, 2010 8:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice job as usual

Thanks so much for your observations and insights, Brian. They are frankly better than almost all of the professional journalists covering the Bills (why you can’t get a press pass is beyond me).

I do have one question. What do you mean by Roscoe “gets the most targets”? On his back? Gets thrown to most often? Gets separation better than the others? Or perhaps an even better question is how you think Roscoe is doing?

It’s a shame Easley and Nelson weren’t out there today. They strike me as the most promising of the young WR’s and it would be interesting to see whether they are faring better at running routes than the others.

by Macktruck on Aug 5, 2010 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Roscoe – he gets thrown to most often. Roscoe looks OK. He made a nice catch (for a 3-yard gain) on a tipped Edwards pass today.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 5, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks. It will be interesting to see if Roscie remains the main target once they start playing real games. That’s when Roscoe has tended to disappear — though perhaps that won’t happen this year thanks to Gailey’s offensive schemes.

by Macktruck on Aug 6, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

It won’t happen because Spiller will be lining up in the slot as often as possible (IMO)

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 6, 2010 7:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I assume Roscoe is lining up in the slot?

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 6, 2010 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

“why you can’t get a press pass is beyond me”

Don’t necessarily wish for that. As I understand it, this year press passes get you terrible coverage on the wrong end of the field. This “amateur” coverage is all we really have besides Chris Brown’s “too optimistic” coverage.

by crooked5 on Aug 5, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

they pay his salary, he doesn’t have much choice in the matter. Calling him press is a stretch

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 6, 2010 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

THanks Brian

I hope this means that the defense is looking good as opposed to the offense just looking bad

It is Brohm’s Bills jersey that is the least stained with doo-doo... GO BILLS

by killascript on Aug 5, 2010 9:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I really didn’t pay attention to the defense today, not in terms of how players were functioning, nor alignments, lineups, or any of that. Naturally, they look pretty good when the offense looks bad.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 5, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was actually high on how our defense was at least set up in this transition to the 3-4 with a nice draft of front seven players, the pick up of Edwards and Davis and what we already had. Also considering how horrendous our run defense has been in the past, I think that this D can be as good as in year’s past.
Also, if we can start the season by running the ball effectively, and as our offense hopefully improves, and certain Tackles and other young players develop, it is the only way this year is going to be competitive. It isn’t completely out of the question that this team compete at a high level, but alot has to happen and alot has to not happen in terms of positive player development and less injuries, respectively.

It is Brohm’s Bills jersey that is the least stained with doo-doo... GO BILLS

by killascript on Aug 5, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

O-LINE

The pass blocking is at best college level. I cannot wait to the April draft.

by azbillsfan on Aug 5, 2010 9:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Are you even going to watch any games this year?

Why would you be pining for draft day 2011 already?

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by UZ on Aug 5, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

why not? we still have several unaddressed key spots, and we’re quite plainly going to be a bad team this year.

by quantumuprising on Aug 6, 2010 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good god.

Sounds like the only at camp doing there job well was Brian. lol

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by kgun201 on Aug 5, 2010 9:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I think we missed on the draft

I like troup and the most important player in a 3-4 is nt but we passed on a franchise qb and in the 3rd missed out on shipley who could be the next welker. So if we went Dan Williams in the 1at, clausen in the 2nd and Shipley in the 3rd we’d have our cener piece on d and the pieces in place on offense to climb out of the depths of the afr east

Gailey says he's going to build the offense around our best talent....then get ready for the wishbone formation in 2010

by J. Mackin on Aug 5, 2010 9:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Relevance

Because Brians sayin the qbs n wrs are looking good

Gailey says he's going to build the offense around our best talent....then get ready for the wishbone formation in 2010

by J. Mackin on Aug 5, 2010 9:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The franchise QB that got taken at #48, the guy that can’t crack the back-up spot with Carolina (at the hands of a UDFA btw) would have been the guy here? That guy?

Wow

by Fixxxer on Aug 5, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

can’t crack the back up spot? i think you mean starting spot, and maybe. The only reason he isn’t starting is because he’s a rookie.

by quantumuprising on Aug 6, 2010 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

But Clausen mania told me he was the most ready QB ever, not to mention the draft. For his readiness and becasue he played in PRO system in College he would be the answer to our prayers……. as of now that guy is 3rd string in Carolina.

by Fixxxer on Aug 6, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clausen

Most "ready’ QB of this draft class, maybe. He’ll move up depth chart soon enough I believe.

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by buffalobacker on Aug 6, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya, because of injury!

/sarcasm (I have no idea, but for the sake of the Bills, I hope he’s average)

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Aug 6, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

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by buffalobacker on Aug 6, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

And...

you’re basing this on what?

by mikeo76 on Aug 5, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

but we passed on a franchise qb


I have a hilarious feeling that you’re talking about Tebow.

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by UZ on Aug 5, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, derp blockquote

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by UZ on Aug 5, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly which franchise QB did we pass on again? I honestly don’t think that there was a single franchise QB in this year’s draft.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 6, 2010 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

really??

I didn’t mind not taking Clausen!!

That was not a laterall!!!

by brendar of the bills people on Aug 6, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Te's

How was schouman looking B? I think he’ll end up being the opening day te

Gailey says he's going to build the offense around our best talent....then get ready for the wishbone formation in 2010

by J. Mackin on Aug 5, 2010 9:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I know everyones pulling for Nelson but he doesn’t appear to have the skillset to be an everydown te in gaileys system

Gailey says he's going to build the offense around our best talent....then get ready for the wishbone formation in 2010

by J. Mackin on Aug 5, 2010 9:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

As I mentioned at the close, Schouman did not practice today.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 5, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Number 2 Receiver?

   Who would you say has a leg up on the #2 receiver spot? Thanks for the detailed report.

by syracusebillsfan on Aug 5, 2010 9:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Steve Johnson. He’s still getting the reps. No reason to name anyone else at this point.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 5, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Brian, maybe this is my bad and I just straight up missed something, but I haven’t heard jack about the other Edwards (Dwan) so far. He has to be practicing, hasn’t he? Or is he just not setting himself apart, while at the same time not screwing the pooch?

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by NJBillsfan on Aug 5, 2010 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, he’s out there. I didn’t watch him at all today, but he’s definitely been practicing.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 5, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

His job is to eat people, not necessarily make big standout plays. Maybe that’s why we haven’t heard much about him, but it’s still relevant whether he’s doing his job well or not. Eating people that is.

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by BuffaloBlueBlood on Aug 6, 2010 12:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

his job is to eat people

we have got to find out if we can still get our hands on Hannibal Lector… that guys is awesome at eating people.

I would say he is “eating” space perhaps…. and maybe taking on people? or chewing up space….. but not probably chewing up people. that still implies he is a cannibal.

"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
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by Ren Diggity on Aug 6, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hannibal Lector may not perform well in front of a crowd. Though we could probably get him cheap, I think he eats people for free.

"Ability without character will lose. The Bills are going to be a team of high character. That stamp I will push very hard. I hope we can convey that to our fans and project something very special to the rest of the nation." - Marv Levy

by BuffaloBlueBlood on Aug 6, 2010 4:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

yeah... for all those worried about cap in this uncapped year

but i see your apprehension. Not sure how many people he would be able to eat before he was suspended, so not a huge opportunity there either. i guess that was a poor suggestion. Nevermind the fact that he is a FICTIONAL CHARACTER. : )

"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet

by Ren Diggity on Aug 6, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joique Bell, is impressing me also in camp, he is very quick and explosive. He would probably be a back up on any other team.

Season to BILLieve!

by mroy1239 on Aug 5, 2010 10:16 PM EDT reply actions  

When I saw Bell at the open Minicamp practice they had at the beginning of June, I was amazed at how quick he looked in person. I really wasn’t impressed at his speed against D2 opponents, but against NFL talent, he looked quick. I hope we can figure out a way to keep him…

by crooked5 on Aug 5, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know maybe moving him to WR maybe? Either there or I would say FB but I dont think he is big enough for the position and I also don’t know how good of a blocker he is.

Season to BILLieve!

by mroy1239 on Aug 5, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Best coverage around and our fearless leader is so responsive to posted questions. Thanks Brian.

by TedWashington'sRobotDance on Aug 5, 2010 10:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

What do you guys think

Trent has to do this season for the FO not to look for a QB in the draft?

by Buffalonian on Aug 5, 2010 11:20 PM EDT reply actions  

win the superbowl

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by UZ on Aug 5, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

^ this

Official ledge-talker-offer of the Buffalo Bills.

by WhyBillsWhy on Aug 7, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

win at least 8

start 16.

nah… the real answer is nothing. there is nothing he can do to stop them from looking. if there is not a QB that is a BPA though, you could see another “Clausen-like” fall for the QB of the fans collective dreams… because Chan has a different mentallity i think… he is willing to teach a guy to succeed, not just assume because you pick them earlier, they will.

"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
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by Ren Diggity on Aug 5, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stay healthy for a full 16 games and make a ton of plays.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 6, 2010 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even then, that might not be enough.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 6, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can say that again

~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 7, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even then, that might not be enough.

Dear God,
If we give you the Jonas Brothers, can you please give us back Jimi Hendrix?
Amen

by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 6, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh....you did

~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 7, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

damn glitches ;)

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 7, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

That. Was. Amazing.

Official ledge-talker-offer of the Buffalo Bills.

by WhyBillsWhy on Aug 7, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup, i see we think similarly

but even if he pulls off a year injury free, makes some plays, strings even SOME wins together, and can still logic to the Bills “looking” into some of these QBs as guys to further groom, if the price is right. That i think is the key, is that selecting them early may cost a fifth of what it has, or less. Which means you can select guys that don’t need to produce immediately, and build slowly over time, as they intend to do anyway.

"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet

by Ren Diggity on Aug 6, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoops.

and can …. show that he can lead the team……. there is still logic … etc.

"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet

by Ren Diggity on Aug 6, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not be the Trent Edwards we’ve all come to know.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 6, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

the "Anti-Edwards"

"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet

by Ren Diggity on Aug 6, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Andre Ramsey

Is he a guy who’s stood out all during camp, or just someone who’s came on recently?

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Aug 5, 2010 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

He was on the team last year and in fact played pretty well for an undrafted rookie (though a lot of folks on this website made fun of him for one botched play). However, he was an OT last year, and seems to be much better suited to OG, where he is now. Brian is right to tell us to keep an eye on him — Ramsey has a lot of natural talent.

by Macktruck on Aug 6, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you had ESPN Insider....

does anyone else recall Mel Kiper projecting Jamon Meredith as the top GUARD in his draft class?

by Rome Billiever on Aug 6, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

does anyone else recall that meredith played left guard his senior year at south carolina?

by quantumuprising on Aug 6, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

He stands out athletically, but not really as a blocker. Some raw potential there.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 6, 2010 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

The only starters on the O Line were Hang and LeVitre

Sound alot like last season. Bell, Wood and Green Out tonight. Meredith getting reps on the right side. Possibly why McIntyre was used so much tonight. Along with a different formation. Somehow we got to get these QB’s some time in the pocket, these receivers some time run a route other than 3-5 yards. My Question Brian: Were the short passes caused by the defense getting to much pressure on the QB’s and were the longer pass plays a result of the QB taking liberties because they know they aren’t going to get hit?

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by VanScottM on Aug 5, 2010 11:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Bell wasn’t out – he was the starting left tackle yesterday.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 6, 2010 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Somehow we got to get these QB’s some time in the pocket,

That “somehow” came and went at the end of April….

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by fansince60 on Aug 6, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is it even possible this offense could be the worst it's been in years???

The 2003, 2005, and 2009 iterations were probably the worst of the last 25 years, with last year’s potentially being the worst. With the same terrible OL, QB and even fewer receiving options, could we possible be looking at a 1985 level stinkbomb?

That year the Bills finished 2-14, which I don’t think will happen this year. But they averaged under 13 points per game and roughly 287 yards per game. Actually, last year’s snoozefest averaged 274 yards per game, but were able to muster a hair over 16 points per game. The 2007 offense was very similar at 277 yards per game and just under 16 ppg. The 2003 team was the worst of the recent bunch as they put up a mind numbing 272 yards per game and just over 15 ppg. That 1985 team threw 9 TD’s and 31 INT’s. HOLY HEART ATTACK BATMAN! It certainly won’t be that bad this year, because even JaMarcus Russell isn’t that bad. But could we possible have a scoring offense similar to that unit?

I’m thinking there’s a very good chance we see a 2003-esque offensive implosion. If Gailey can really, really, really rely on the run game to some success, we probably wont’ see an offense that bad. But at the same time, the passing offense looks like it could be one of the worst units in franchise history. And that’s saying something.

Already it appears that the continuous never-ending search for a 2nd capable WR, above average TE, LT, RT and that mysterious stud QB will drag on for another year. Why does it seem like we’ve had the same strengths (RB’s, 1 good WR, 1 or 2 good OL) and same weaknesses (everything else) on offense for the last decade or so? It’s no wonder this unit continues to stink every single season….

Someday, comrades, someday…..

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by Kurupt on Aug 6, 2010 1:29 AM EDT reply actions  

I hope it's not 1985 bad.

That sounds just awful. I was negative one at the time so I’m glad I didn’t have to suffer through that.

I’m just hoping that a few of the dudes at the positions you mentioned (#2WR, TE, LT, RT) can step up and prove themselves starters. If we can get 2 of those positions locked down with what’s on the roster it’d be sweet. All four is kind of feasible, the guys we have at all of those spots are YOUNG. It would make for a nice nucleus if a few of them can really make a jump.

Of course the Line positions depend on if they can stay healthy and the WR’s and TE’s depend on the QB to get them the ball, who in turn depends on the line to pass block, so hopefully most of them don’t suck that bad, so we can get a better look at the good ones.

Drunken rambling concluded.

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by BuffaloBlueBlood on Aug 6, 2010 3:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ups and downs men.

Let’s not abandon ship so quickly men! It is camp after all, let’s not panic too quickly. I still firmly believe that when Spiller is lined up in the slot, teams will have to respect it and it should open things up a bit for the 2nd wideout.

Let’s not fool ourselves, pass-protection is not the strong part of our Offensive Line, it’s running up the middle. In camp they are working on every aspect of the game. In a game situation they will be going with what works and at some point, once setup – they can take pokes downfield. I just think that we are jumping the gun here a bit.

But then again, my expectations are extremely low this year and I am silently expecting hoping that we finish in a way that gives us a shot at Locker. Let’s be brutally honest, we need a franchise QB if we ever hope to go anywhere and the only way to be in a position to get one is to be picking high.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 6, 2010 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I with you on drafting the franchise QB next year but if we’re heading to a top 3 pick, its going to be a painful season to watch nonetheless. But how “smart” will the Bills look if there’s also a rookie pay scale in place.

by Zumone on Aug 6, 2010 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly my friend!!

as for the painful to watch part, well it depends on your expectations. I want to watch a team that drastically improves in two areas: (a) running the ball (b) stopping the run if this team improves in those two areas I’ll be happy to watch every single game.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 6, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember

1985, ugh, but we saw the beginning of the upswing w/Andre Reed catching his first touchdowns! It sucked but we did round that corner!!

That was not a laterall!!!

by brendar of the bills people on Aug 6, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crazy theory... maybe our deffense is just a lot better than we thought and is just making our offense look bad.

any takers?

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 6, 2010 2:51 AM EDT reply actions  

uhhh...

nope

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 6, 2010 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Boy that'd be great.

They do seem to to be making some plays. I’ve heard of a few should-be receptions that were knocked out, and Aaron Maybin had a “would be” sack. That’s the closest he’s been, so, progress.

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by BuffaloBlueBlood on Aug 6, 2010 4:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Aaron Maybin had a "would be" sack.

Ut oh, let’s hope he hasn’t already peaked!

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 6, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

haha

Rec’d

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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 6, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

OR

the offense is soooo bad, it’s making the defense look better than it is.

"Give back some of that F*&#ing money you ain't earned!" - Eric Wood screaming at Aaron Maybin

by fansince60 on Aug 6, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

That would be a nightmare scenario. I prefer my theory.

Dear God,
If we give you the Jonas Brothers, can you please give us back Jimi Hendrix?
Amen

by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 6, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

 Crazy theory… maybe our deffense is just a lot better than we thought and is just making our offense look bad.

any takers?

Isn’t it a little early in the day to start drinking? LOL, I am hoping the same thing.

by Montel on Aug 6, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

LMAO! ok thats a rec!

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 6, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear Troup’s playing well. What about Carrington?

by Bill Frank on Aug 6, 2010 6:00 AM EDT reply actions  

I’ll let you know, but again, I didn’t watch the defense at all yesterday.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 6, 2010 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is a pretty big turnaround on jonathan stupar for you, i think. Has he gotten that much better? or has your opinion of him just changed?

by quantumuprising on Aug 6, 2010 7:37 AM EDT reply actions  

I’ve been calling him the most well-rounded tight end on the roster since January, and that was very apparent to me yesterday. Has the most polished game of any of them – I think he’s as good a receiver as Schouman, and is a slightly better blocker with better size.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 6, 2010 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

pretty big improvement for a guy who wasn’t even supposed to make the roster last year.

by quantumuprising on Aug 6, 2010 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

So which TE do you think will get sut then? Schoman or Stupar? Because I don’t see us carrying 4 TE’s.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 6, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a fantastic question, and my money would be on Stupar or Matthews.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 6, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you think that Nelson and Schouman are locks? Then i see Stupar getting cut. Matthews may be the best run blocker on this team that isn’t a member of the O-Line. I think that he’s pretty much a lock because of that ability.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 7, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think any of them are locks, save Nelson.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 7, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

are you thinking fitz gets cut now? i think you’d be hard pressed to make levi the 3rd qb, but i also doubt anyone wants to pay the million plus fitz is supposed to get (i think) for a 3rd qb, either.

by quantumuprising on Aug 6, 2010 7:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m thinking it’s way too early to think about that, but I think Brohm deserves to be the #2 guy in the first pre-season game.

by Brian Galliford on Aug 6, 2010 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've been thinking...

While I was originally dismayed at the front office for exiting the draft without taking a QB early, I think i’m beginning to understand and accept it.

This season is likely going to be what it is: a trial and error (many, i’m sure) with the bulk of in-house “talent” getting on-the-job reviews.

I’d bet they know what they’re in for, and have a fairly decent idea of just what to expect out of these 3 guys, and what they can get out of them down the road. It’s all likely to stink worse than a pair of lineman’s gloves. So I think they were gun shy in the draft. If they were to take “their guy,” as in 1st/2nd round, then they might feel pressure by the fans and media to get him out there, and to force him into the mess that they still have to clean up.

So if that all fails, then it’s quite possible their ice bridge becomes even thinner, and the fans are even more ready to spill their blood. This route is “safer” for now. There’s so little expectation out of the 3 of them — aside from, perhaps unfairly, Brohm — to actually help fix the franchise.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 6, 2010 9:40 AM EDT reply actions  

So I think they were gun shy in the draft. If they were to take "their guy," as in 1st/2nd round, then they might feel pressure by the fans and media to get him out there, and to force him into the mess that they still have to clean up

not to mention the fact that they probably (well, clearly) didn’t feel that any one of those guys was a sure bet – they obviously felt Spiller was a sure thing

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Aug 6, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

in a similar way

i presented this line of thinking some time ago… but more to the effect that we can get a “franchise qb” for FAR and away less money PER YEAR, as well as OVERALL, so pay a dynamic playmaker now, and either develop a guy you got, or find your “guy of the future” in the future, when it is far more affordable, and therefore less risky.

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by Ren Diggity on Aug 6, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like last season

The pass defense is stellar. The run defense continues to give up big yardage. The passing game stinks and the run game is solid.

by thekotton on Aug 6, 2010 12:19 PM EDT reply actions  

well said.

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by poz on Aug 6, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Easy

It’s training camp, give’em a break. That said I wouldn’t expect a 180 degree turn around in less than a year from any FO and HC.

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by buffalobacker on Aug 6, 2010 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

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