Bills Training Camp: Carrington, Howard Get First-Team Reps
by Brian Galliford on Aug 9, 2010 4:00 PM EDT
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PrintOne benefit of having veteran players missing training camp practices is that it allows younger players the opportunity to take reps with higher units. That was the case on Monday for the Buffalo Bills, as several veterans missed practice, affording some younger players the chance to run with the ones.
With veteran defensive end Marcus Stroud sidelined, rookie third-round pick Alex Carrington took first-team reps as a five-technique defensive end. Carrington had been getting steady second-team work, but leap-frogged veteran John McCargo for the right to run with the ones.
On a much more interesting note, undrafted rookie free agent Cordaro Howard - himself recently returned to the practice field after missing much of last week - was the first-team right tackle in place of Cornell Green. Howard opened training camp as the second-team left guard behind starter Andy Levitre, and most scouts consider the 6'4", 314-pound Georgia Tech product a best-fit at guard. Howard got the nod over Kirk Chambers, who has played at both tackle and guard to this point in camp.
Andre Ramsey continued to spell Eric Wood at right guard, and when he left the field on Monday, Christian Gaddis stepped in. The Bills have another practice this evening at 7:15 PM in Growney Stadium.
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Spencer Johnson and Marcus Stroud out leaves a good opportunity for Carrington to get a lot of reps.
Howard with the ones is puzzling. Bell at LT, wouldn’t Meredith be at RT?
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Bell wasn’t at LT in team work. Meredith was at LT, Howard at RT.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 9, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Or tackle situation looks grimmer and grimmer everyday.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 9, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
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Dear God,
If we give you the Jonas Brothers, can you please give us back Jimi Hendrix?
Amen
by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 9, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
there’s about 365 “grimmers” going back every day to last year when we decided we didn’t need Peters etc.!
I read about the evils of drinking, so I gave up reading! - Henny Youngman
Do you really think that we decided that we didn't need Jason Peters?!?!!? Wow.
Peters decided that he was never going to play another game in a Bills uniform. He said publicly that he was willing to hold out the entire season. He made the choice, not the team. He forced the team’s hand to get rid of him, they never wanted to let him go. In fact the team offered him a contract extension that was one year long and averaged out to be only about 100K less per year than what he got in Philly. There was nothing that would have kept him with the Bills.
Why people think that we chose to trade him is absolutely beyond me.
No our chosen mistake was to go to the no-huddle and then release Langston Walker. He was still an above average to very goo RT for us and should have never been moved to LT. And he should have never been released either.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 9, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I would be a lot happier right now if we had Walker at LT
and some FA at RG with Wood at C right now
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
So would I. Although I still think that Walker is ideal for the RT position. I wish that he would still be there for us.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 9, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
RT for sure.... LT, no way
he was a definite liability at LT. I would have kept him as a RT, i think he is best there.
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Entirely agree.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 9, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
shoot,
thats what i meant. He was not good at all at LT. RT is what i was thinking
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
well
the Bills created the atmosphere with the stupid OL FA contracts (e.g. Dockery). In telling the better player (Peters) he wasn’t worth that $$, gave Peters the impression we didn’t need him and could get along without him. Sure, he dug his heels in, but, our bonehead FO precipitated the fiasco.
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Peter’s is going to have the same troubles in Phili as he had in Buffalo. He is a good player with a me first attitude not a team first attitude. Look at any great team with multiple Super Bowls under there belt and you will always find a couple of good to great players that practice the team first, hard work ethics. And that attitude under the right administration infects most of the rest of the team. And the result is a incredible team.
That's BS and you know it.
If a player decides that he no longer wants to play for a team then no matter what that team does is irrelevant. The Bills FO never created any type of atmosphere of discontent. What they did was signed Peters to a 4 year extension after he had done almost nothing to warrant the $4M+ per year that they were giving him (at the time he still hadn’t lined up at LT yet). The next off season they sign UFA Dockery to a big contract to help at the LG position, the reason for the big contract is that no one else wanted to come here and that’s what it took to sign Dock. Then two years into the extension Peters held out, the team told him that they would start discussing signing him to a new contract as soon as they signed Lee Evans to an extension. The next day the FO called Peters’ agent to start discussions and were told that Peters wanted the largest OL contract in NFL history and that if he didn’t give it to him he’d hold out until he was traded. The team actually obeyed Peters’ demands with a to the best of their abilities with a 7 year near $70M dollar offer that would have scrapped his previous deal. Peters still held out and wanted out.
No matter what the Bills did, Peters wanted out of the Bills. We could have offered him a 5 year, $100M deal and he would have still said no. He just wanted out, plain and simple.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 9, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
agreed, and rec'd
for accuracy in recalling all the things i recalled, similarly. He heard all the media hype about him being the best player on the team and underpaid, and under appreciated, and blah blah BS. he used us, plain and simple, and sucks just as bad still. at least we aren’t on the hook for what the eagles are paying him to be their worst lineman.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
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K. That makes a ton more sense now.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 9, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
leap-frogged veteran John McCargo for the right to run with the ones.
How does this come as any surprise to anyone. McCargo shouldn’t even make the final cut, much less actually get first team reps.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 9, 2010 4:06 PM EDT reply actions
It’s not surprising, just noteworthy.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 9, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
ya – he did look good in the 3 drills I watched of him. but I couldn’t see who he was paired against and it was only 3 plays…
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by J2 on Aug 9, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Who cares. Can’t we cut McBusto today and just be done with it?
"Adversity is an opportunity for heroism." Marv Levy.
by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Aug 9, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
i am hoping he meant that Carrington looked good
which he did. McCargo is just filler for now to continue to offer a guy of size for our O lineman to gain confidence pushing around. ; )
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
i am hoping he meant that Carrington looked good
nope – it was big old 97 – I was surprised, but he’s shown the same thing before. flashes of brillance followed by nothing for a long time. but as I said, I literally only paid attention to him 3 times
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on Aug 9, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
gathered from your other post
yeah, i didn’t notice him much, just that he was there in the goalline…. i was looking more for troup, or harvey… and was far more concerned with the offense, as they had proven weaker so far… so i chose to do the same as brian did the other day, and try and just focus on one. that said, lankster looked good. and sargeant’s INT was surprising. course that was saturday… i didn’t get to see much from today.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
by Ren Diggity on Aug 10, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
McBusto will be cut when someone else proves they are better at warming the bench than him
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
migh be hard to do
hes big man….
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by silverstreak3k on Aug 9, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats a lot of man warming a bench Joe, gonna need to be another Hoss to fill that same amount of space!
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What a mess
The OL that is. An undrafted G getting reps at RT. Yikes!!!
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by Kurupt on Aug 9, 2010 4:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The swinging gate is looking better and better each day.
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by Jon Harrington on Aug 9, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't Brian state the other day to keep an eye on Howard?
Said he was pretty athletic for a lineman. If he is more athletic than Chambers or Green, I can see them giving him a shot there. They have holes to fill and they don’t seem to happy with Green so far (I recall he was splitting reps with Meredith).
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by NorCal BillsFan on Aug 9, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
True
Scratching my head wondering why no LT? Is this a surprise to Chan? To early to worry:)
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by buffalobacker on Aug 11, 2010 4:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Could Howard be starting due to a past Connection with Chan?
is it possible Chan knows what howard can do so feels more comfortable with him playing with the ones than one of the other rookies/unpolished younger guys?
This hasn't been stressed enough
One benefit of having veteran players missing training camp practices is that it allows younger players the opportunity to take reps with higher units.
Gailey shows yet another reason why he is a better coach than many of us (me included) gave him credit for. I doubt the “injuries” that many of the veteran players have would keep them out of a regular season game, but Gailey is letting them rest and letting players recovering from injuries have extra rest as well. Not only does this help those injured player get as close as possible to 100% before the season starts, but it also give guys like Carrington a taste of what it is like to run with the first string. This is important because we are one injury away from a guy like Carrington having to play a significant number of downs. Very smart coach :-)
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
by Joe P. on Aug 9, 2010 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Great point. Rec'd
Dear God,
If we give you the Jonas Brothers, can you please give us back Jimi Hendrix?
Amen
by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 9, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup!
"Adversity is an opportunity for heroism." Marv Levy.
by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Aug 9, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't Jauron do the same thing??
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Aug 9, 2010 6:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah, doesn’t every coach do the same thing?
I feel like there isn’t a choice to make – starter goes down, younger guy moves up. Unless Joe is specifically referring to Carrington leapfrogging McCargo from 3rd string to first?
Enjoying my annual three months of optimism.
seems he was suggesting that
borderline injuries didn’t necessarily result in being taken out of camp? i don’t know… i didn’t think it was that different from any other coach.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
Did Jauron work them hard enough at camp for it to matter if they were injured?
To be honest, I am trying to block out as much of what happened in the Jauron era has possible :-)
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
by Joe P. on Aug 9, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You and me both…I actually met Dick Jauron this weekend in Bethlehem, PA at Eagles training camp (my best friend is on the Eagles coaching staff)…I didn’t mention how much I disrespect his abilities; I was polite and only mentioned that I support the Bills. He’s actually a nice guy; he’s just an absolutely inept leader and paralyzed decision maker…I can’t wait to kick off in 2010. As bad as I expect them to be (4-12), I’m still more excited than last year given that there was no chance Jauron wasn’t a dead man walking going in,,,that was a complete waste of an entire season. I lost a lot of respectf for the organization when they brought him back on New Year’s Eve 2008.
"Godzilla is coming so get ready." -abayarde
I respect Jauron as a person.....as a coach......not so much ;-)
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
That!!!! Old friend...
deserves a rec even more than your original thread!!!!
BTW.. not just Carrington, though I’ve always thought he’d end up playing a bigger role this year than expected, but Ellis might finally force Ks dream to come true the way he has played with the ones… A player I thought the former “coach” misused and abused…
The draft dawns a new year for Buffalo Bills fans, so let optimism reign supreme!!! After all, we are now, UNDEFEATED!!!!
let's hope Ellis wasn't the only player :-)
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
My dream is for Kelsay to put up a 15 sack season
It’s just more likely that I will do that than him….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I like this
Kudos to Gailey for giving Cordaro Howard and Sean Allen (and even Andre Ramsey) a shot. It looks like Gailey is looking for someone to replace our terrible reserve linemen on the 53-man roster.
Nothing can be worse than Chambers and Christian Gaddis (known variables for years) at this point. Chambers 50% of the time can hold up well and 50% of the time looks like the absolute worst lineman on a team full of bad linemen. We should give some new blood a try. Sometimes the undrafted rookies (Jason Peters, Fred Jackson) can turn out to be quite the player. If nothing else, well at least we turned the page on the Kirk Chambers/Christian Gaddis era.
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Chambers
In my mind, Kirk Chambers is the worst offensive lineman Buffalo has employed for multiple seasons in the past quarter decade. I will be shocked if a new coaching staff keeps him come the opene; he’s absolutely worthless and completely awful. I suspect Howard or Ramsey will leapfrog him as the 3rd guard this preseason. As for Gaddis, I don’t recall ever seeing him play so I won’t rip him. However, considering that he’s been in the league for three years and has always been a practice squad/ fringe 53 player, I can presume he’s just not good enough. My guess is that Allen either makes the team if they keep 9 linemen or the practice squad if they keep 8.
"Godzilla is coming so get ready." -abayarde
The thing that stuns me about Chambers is that only a few seasons ago he was a decent to good backup Olineman
And in just 2 seasons he has fallen off a cliff as far as his ability to play, its like someone turned his switch from moderately aged, capable backup olineman, to prematurely old incapable of playing the game olineman!
abayarde- "I SAY this get ready cause the BUFFALO BILLS ARE COMING TO TOWN and I dont mean like Santa clause. WE will not Surrender this is were you all FALL The WHAGON BLASTER IS TAKING OFF AND YOU PUNKS are in our way, This wagon has no BREAKS so get ready for the ride of the life time"
Carrington
Looks like one mean mofo, how has he looked in practice?? I can’t wait to see him tear a qb apart!!!
That was not a laterall!!!
by brendar of the bills people on Aug 9, 2010 6:01 PM EDT reply actions
he held his own
against OUR line… so tough to gauge. and it was a pretty short practice, and so he only got out there a handful of plays. but he was on goalline as well, and he looked ok. not amazing, but not terrible… a work in progress.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
~Bruce Coslet
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