Spiller, Best Paying Early Dividends For Bills, Lions
by Brian Galliford on Sep 1, 2010 10:01 AM EDT
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It's unclear exactly how long the respective starters for the Buffalo Bills and Detroit Lions will play in tomorrow night's preseason finale between the two clubs. In all likelihood, neither first-team offense will see much playing time, which puts a damper on an otherwise highly-anticipated matchup between electric rookie running backs C.J. Spiller and Jahvid Best.
Spiller is the talk of Buffalo at the moment thanks to his scintillating preseason. He's rushed for 122 yards at 4.7 yards per carry, added 35 yards on three receptions, and rushed for three touchdowns in extended work with the first-team offense. He's helped spark Buffalo's starting offense to 38 points overall, and 35 in the last two games alone.
Not to be outdone, however, Best has been just as explosive, aside from the fact that he has yet to find paydirt. Best is averaging an unbelievable 8.6 yards per carry (15 carries, 129 yards), and has also proven to be a dependable receiving target, with four catches for an additional 29 yards. He has the biggest play of the preseason between himself and Spiller, ripping off a 51-yard run on a toss sweep on the first play from scrimmage Saturday against Cleveland.
Most NFL scouts preferred Spiller to Best, a fact highlighted by Spiller's being selected No. 9 overall this past April, while Best slid all the way to No. 30. Best, however, has many of the same qualities that Spiller possesses in high quantities - speed, agility, and unbelievable ability in the open field. Barring health concerns, these two running backs should rank amongst the league's elite play-makers for years to come.
Even if Spiller and Best don't see significant playing time Thursday night, don't fret; instead, mark November 14 on your calendars, when Detroit travels to Buffalo for a Week 10 regular-season matchup.
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I hope we don't see any starters
No Edwards, Spiller, Evans, Poz, etc. No need to risk injury for a few meaningless plays.
I think Best is going to have a great year, better than Spiller’s. I still think he’s a slightly better all-around RB than Spiller is, just Spiller has the much higher ceiling.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I will disagree with your sentiment regarding Best being better than Spiller, and raise you an “are the Bills good enough to completely rest all of their starters?”
by Brian Galliford on Sep 1, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Considering how little quality depth this team has
I don’t think I’d risk starters. If Chan wants to play some defensive starters, ok since that unit has been terrible. Guys like Edwards, Spiller, Evans and some of the other more important players shouldn’t play just to play a handful of snaps….
And no, of course the Bills aren’t good enough to rest their starters. They just aren’t deep enough to risk them for a quarter or less of action….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Sep 1, 2010 10:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’d give them a drive. All of the starters. They’ve got to stay sharp.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 1, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
If the O goes 3 and out
Or the D allows a TD, do they come back out for a 2nd drive?
Is one drive really going to keep them sharp?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Sep 1, 2010 11:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You can play “if” games every which way. What if they get hurt? What if they don’t get hurt? What if they stink? What if they don’t stink?
Bottom line, I’d rather let our inexperienced team get even a little more experience. You can let them play while still protecting them from injury.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 1, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats a fair argument
I just feel with the injury history and weak depth of this roster that I wouldn’t risk it. Play some of the starters that aren’t as important, maybe Steve Johnson for example, but don’t risk the most important guys. If the offense had looked like trash, I wouldn’t feel this way. Luckily they’ve shown some signs of life and went out on a high note against Cincy. I don’t mind carrying that momentum into the regular season.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Sep 1, 2010 12:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The only guy I’d consider protecting, aside from the injured guys (Bell/Wood), is Spiller. Because he’s actually worth saving. Show me any other starter, including Edwards, and I’ll show you a disposable part. :)
by Brian Galliford on Sep 1, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Lee Evans?
Though I guess he is more disposable than indisposable.
Hangartner and Levitre might fit that, especially the former. We don’t exactly have much (or any) depth on the interior.
Trent’s confidence has to be pretty high and he’s looked as good as he’s ever looked (yes, that doesn’t say much), so I wouldn’t mind letting him go out on top this preseason!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Sep 1, 2010 1:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Touche on Lee Evans. Forgot about him. Forgive me, but I think that’s easy to do. :)
I think you make a good case for Hangartner, but I definitely wouldn’t put Levitre in that territory. I have been somewhat disappointed by his play thus far.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 1, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Levitre
Good or bad play, we don’t really have anything behind him. That was why I mentioned him….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Sep 1, 2010 1:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I try not to take depth into account, which is why I still wouldn’t label Hangartner “indisposable.” Just Spiller and Evans, really.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 1, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Depth surely has to play some part in it
Chances of winning increase if Hangartner is at center rather than anybody we have backing him up. I think a similar situation would be if Eli Manning were to go down for the Giants; most people would agree that a Rhett Bomar-led Giants squad would be much worse off than with Manning at the helm. So Hang might not be indisposable, but if he goes down, so too does our likelyhood of winning. Maybe not as much as in the Giants scenario, but we can ill-afford to lose an experienced center on a weak offensive line nonetheless. Which is why he is “indisposable” to a degree, at least at the time being.
"SO LETS GET ON IN THIS BUS cause this is the year we are coming to KICK SOME #$^u%*$% GODZILLA IS COMING BE READY" - abayarde
I should be clearer: I mean “indisposable” in terms of talent level.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 2, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Levitre has had some trouble so far...
When I watch the games in slow-mo, the only two offensive linemen that continually get into trouble are Green and Levitre. Green gets burned by speed rushers a lot, and Levitre is getting toasted on spin moves. He got TE hit twice early in the last game.
Act like a sober human being, not a drunk Internet username. -- Brian Galliford
by NorCal BillsFan on Sep 1, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember having this arguement last year during the HOF game.
Your both right. I just think that with Gailey putting these guys in pads from day one, he isn’t about to back off on getting them ready for the season opener unless they are dinged up. Honestly, the first team will probably play most of the 1st period. Our bigger questions come after that. I gotta beleive the roster is set except for like maybe 10 spots.
YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde
His response to whether Marshawn Lynch would play against Detroit – something to the effect of “Oh yes, absolutely” – kind of says it all.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 1, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
yep
you play them
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 1, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I kind of agree with Kurupt on Spiller = Best
The only knock on Best was his injury history. He was the workhorse back for Cal logging sometimes 30 carries a game, the only knock on Spiller was that he couldn’t do it all himself. I believe both “negatives” were overblown, Best will be fine injury wise (no more or less than any other NFL RB) and Spiller can handle a full load if need be.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Sep 1, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I still think he’s a slightly better all-around RB than Spiller is, just Spiller has the much higher ceiling.
While I have always been thrilled with the Spiller pick, I had also wanted Best. His injury concern (a big one) was the only thing that really separated the two. Can’t wait to see what kind of careers they will have.
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by thefourwinds on Sep 1, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he's a better runner between the tackles
Or at least he was in college.
I’d say the rest of their skills are relatively similar, one way or the other.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Sep 1, 2010 1:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I have to agree
Best is a better “inside the tackles” runner…I like Spillers open field ability more though. Best likes to run by people rather than juke’em
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by NorCal BillsFan on Sep 1, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree big-time. Spiller is faster, has better vision, is a slightly better pass-catcher, a much better returner (versatility is always important) and has more upside.
"The one commonality in both places (Oakland and Buffalo) is an aging owner who keeps interfering too much. Ralph Wilson continually butts his nose in the football operation and tells the team who to draft"
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Sep 1, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure how everyone figures Spiller’s upside is significantly better than Best’s. Aside from return capabilities, which is a fantastic point, Spiller is only negligibly better than Best in all of those departments.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 1, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, DERP – thanks. Was finishing this piece as the Leinart farce broke, so I got a little rushed. It’s fixed.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 1, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
its misleading
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Sep 1, 2010 10:21 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Sorry mobile phone issue. I think its misleading to say that Best had the “biggest” play between the two of them, unwittingly selling spiller short. I know it sounds silly but “longest” may have been more approriate. Your language would mislead any non bills fans readng that into assuming Best had the most impactful play for his team when in fact spillers 31 yard touchdown run was one the biggest plays of ANY this preseason. I know you do everything you can to be fair and non homerish and that’s why your the best blogger around but you may have sold cj short. I know I sound silly but I also know you don’t mind reader critiques so long as they aren’t curse filled rants!
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Sep 1, 2010 10:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t think I sold EITHER guy short. Honestly, I think they’ve been dead even.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 1, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
sure
but by comparison, Spiller has had the “bigger” play is all I’m saying. 51 yard runs are great, but long touchdown are much better.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
plus, who’s to say spiller would have run only 31 yards… if he had 30 more yards to go, he would have gone with no one touching him…
dang right!
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Sep 1, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s #44, huh? That makes me think fullback more than tailback.
He has the biggest play of the preseason between himself and Spiller, ripping off a 51-yard run on a toss sweep on the first play from scrimmage Saturday against Cleveland.
If by big play you’re only considering yards, then I can’t disagree. But I’ll take 2 Spiller TD runs over that play by Best. NFL Network agrees with me, as Spiller has made the top 10 plays of the week for 2 weeks in a row.
"Football's gotta be dangerous. It's gotta be labor and pains." -Deacon Jones
Spiller is faster
he would have takin that to the house
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
Out of Spiller, Mathews and Best
Which Rookie will see more touches for their respective teams? Key here is “More Touches”. My guess is Mathews, Best then Spiller. I thought the pickup of Best by the Lions was a great pick. Still don’t believe that he slipped to #30. It will be interesting and worth the price of admission come November 14.
YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde
I was pretty comfortable sliding Best to Green Bay at #23. Ted Thompson always struck me as a guy that drafted for value; guess not. My God, that offense would have exactly zero rivals in the league with Best at RB instead of Ryan Grant.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 1, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's a very scary thought right there....
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Sep 1, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the GB line was in decline.
Watch how much better Ryan Grant performs, once Bulaga cracks the starting lineup if one of the tackles go down, running behind him. He is a road grader.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 1, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Bulaga just fine, and thought it was a good pick for them. There’s no question that Best would have been a better value selection.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 1, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
A top notch line can make an average RB look better
and a top notch RB can make an average line look better.
But an average line, still needs to pass block, if you want to throw it more than 10 yards..
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 1, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
To add
When we used the GB reverse wishbone, it was pure geninous by chan. That is a running formation, when GB used it, it’s a 5 yard gain 90% of the time. By using a max protect 70 yard bomb the first time it was shown.
PURE GENIUS!
Other teams will have to always account for that, it should be a running staple of Chan’s offense.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 1, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Other teams will have to always account for that, it should be a running staple of Chan’s offense
and if other teams load the box to stop it, that 70 yard bomb off misdirection max protect is waiting.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 1, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I so wish
we drafted Bulaga
I don’t usually have a man crush, but he was a perfect fit here. He was Will Woolford+
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 1, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Hasn't Bulaga been playing Guard
And failed to win a starting spot?
Knowing how GB lost linemen left and right last year, he should be a starter somewhere on that line soon enough though….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Sep 1, 2010 1:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He is also playing G in GB right now...
he may play some tackle eventually, but I believe he has practiced soley at G
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by NorCal BillsFan on Sep 1, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I was pretty comfortable sliding Best to Green Bay at #23. Ted Thompson always struck me as a guy that drafted for value;
On many draft boards, Bulaga was a top ten pick. 23 was a steal, just like Oher.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 1, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
On many draft boards, Bulaga was a top ten pick.
on the rest he was a teens pick
he was a steal in the twenties just like oher.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 1, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I completeley agree. Ryan Grant is a servicable one year wonder. He’s an adequate starter, but Best would actually bring something to the table. That said, I find it interesting that GB is widely becoming viewed as one of the best, if not the best, offenses in the game. i’m taking this in a different direction, but last year I distinctly remember the optimists pointing out that GB’s line is even worse than ours. Obviously their starting line has improved since then, (not as a result of adding players as Bulaga is still 2nd string I believe), but they are still not a top 15 line in the NFL, and yet, are one of the most feared passing attacks around. Now the obvious difference is that their receiving corps and Aaron Rodgers are much better than ours. However, I think their success despite having a mediocre line is worth pointing out to those that think we are incapable of having a decent offense this year with our current situation.
Enjoying my annual three months of optimism.
I would go.
the same as you. With Kevin Smith coming off an injury and Spiller having to share touches with Frd and Marshawn, I think you have the order correct. If you don’t, it will be Best, Mathews, Spiller because kevin smith isn’t ready.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 1, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
Didn’t want to spin the post, but had to ask.
YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde
I would go with Best first, because sproles is healthy and kevin smith might not be ready so best will get the bulk, then matthews since he has to share with sproles, then spiller since he has to share with marshawn and fred.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 1, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, but Matthews will see the most work
He might not come up with the best statline, but I think Norv turner is really gunna run this kid hard, between the tackles, up the gut, Ryan Matthews is gunna be hurtin g after this year because San Diego hasnt had a RB that can punish defenses physically for a long time, Micheal Turner was the last one and he left what 3 4 years ago, Turner loves to run the ball and Matthews has a pro type body built for punishment, as for stats wise I think CJ will have the most TD’s, Best will probably have the most yards and Matthews will have the most carries.
"Big Gulps Eh, Well See ya later" - Lloyd Christmas
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by PaullyPforPrez on Sep 1, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont think I would play Wood or D Bell more than a drive. Poz for that matter too.
And as far as whose going to have a better season out of Best and Spiller… Best on the fast track in Detroit could be something special. Plus I think we have more weapons than Detroit so I could see Best being targeted a lot… both in the run and pass game.
Where else would you rather be?
Wait
We have more weapons than Detroit??? How so?
Calvin Johnson is head and shoulders above any WR we have. Nate Burlson is pretty good too. Heck, Panda would probably be our #2. Tony Scheffler and Brandon Pettigrew are both better threats than any TE we have. Our RB depth is better, but overall Detroit has more weaponry through the air than we do, and its probably not all that close….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Sep 1, 2010 1:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Detroit has more through the air and Buffalo has more on the ground, pretty even actually. Evans, Parrish, Spiller, Lynch, and Jackson v. Johnson, Burleson, Pettigre, Scheffler, and Best.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
Yeah, but you cant have 3 RB's on the field together
Detroit can put all those weapons on the field at once….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Sep 1, 2010 1:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not according to Chan…
2010 Bills' truth in advertising: "Look out Cleveland, this year we score 6!" - bluecollarbuffalo
Even so, Chan will have trouble finding ways to do that. He’ll use two-back a lot, though.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 1, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Wondering how many newbies won’t know what “Panda” means.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 1, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Good, ol’ Bryant Johnson. Gosh, we have been on this site too long, lol :-)
"The one commonality in both places (Oakland and Buffalo) is an aging owner who keeps interfering too much. Ralph Wilson continually butts his nose in the football operation and tells the team who to draft"
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Sep 1, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
haha Panda watch!
Panda watch may have been one of the most ridiculous eras in this blogs history. And then there was part two haha
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Sep 1, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Those were the days..LOL :D
"The one commonality in both places (Oakland and Buffalo) is an aging owner who keeps interfering too much. Ralph Wilson continually butts his nose in the football operation and tells the team who to draft"
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Sep 2, 2010 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Evans, Johnson, Spiller, Roscoe, Lynch
Johnson, Best, Pettigrew, Schefller, Burlson
Id say our best 5 on the field than their best 5.
Where else would you rather be?
... and that last sentence didnt make sense haha.
Id say our best 5 weapons are better than their best 5.
Where else would you rather be?
You have to keep building confidence
This team is high on themselves right now, and thats a really good thing headed into a week 1 matchup against a team that could down on their luck, I think we play them early and if they have success keep them in a little bit longer, if we struggle get them out quick so they forget about it. Look the Bills offense hasnt put up 35 in any other game except for the cheifs and Bucs so when I saw 35 against the Bengals i went hooraa. Trents feeling it right now, Cj is feeling it right now the offensive line seems to be in unison youy have to keep the morale high so play them until they start to struggle.
"Big Gulps Eh, Well See ya later" - Lloyd Christmas
" You Gus ready To Let The Dogs Out" "What?" " you Know, Who Let the dogs out rough rough rogh rough" - Zack Galifinakis - The Hangover
Funny we are talking Best vs Spiller today
Just yesterday I watched a couple youtube videos of each.
Best’s video was unreal to watch. The guy is a human highlight film. Lots of jukes, starts/stops, and making it out of situations where he is almost sure to be tackled. The guy’s moves are very impressive…almost seems to beat each member of the defense individually, move by move. Very quick and very speedy.
Spiller’s video was also very impressive, but lacked some of the cuts, shakes and starts/stops that I saw with Best. Instead of shake and bake, Spiller makes one cut and then accelerates extremely quickly and takes off. His runs are more straight-line, always going forward, not moving laterally or backwards as often as Best trying to make a play. Such a hard runner…when he gets into the open field, he swings his free arm violently, almost willing himself to the end zone.
Both are very speedy guys, but slightly different running styles as described above. Both also pretty good at catching passes. Should be fun to watch both!
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
See, this irritates me. Buffalo had so many needs and addressed so few of them. They draft a playmaking running back at 9 when they could’ve found a playmaking running back at 30. I would have much rather taken the injury risk with Best at 30 and address a position of greater need (QB, LB, OT, DT) earlier. Of course, that assumes there was a player Buffalo coveted at 9 at one of those need areas and that they could’ve traded into the first to jump ahead of Detroit.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
by BeastMode on Sep 1, 2010 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
To make the trade they could have moved back in the second round too and still got Troup most likely...
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
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