Schefter: Bills Have Discussed Trading For QB Leinart
by Brian Galliford on Sep 1, 2010 8:54 AM EDT
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ESPN's Adam Schefter is reporting Wednesday morning that the Buffalo Bills are one of three teams that have discussed the possibility of trading for Arizona Cardinals quarterback Matt Leinart.
The New York Giants and the Oakland Raiders are the other two teams Schefter mentions.
Leinart, tabbed this off-season to replace the retired Kurt Warner, has quickly fallen out of favor with Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt. Benched a week ago in favor of Cleveland castoff Derek Anderson, Leinart appears to have lost the starting gig he'd apparently been handed, and made some pointed comments about the situation late last week. FOX's Jay Glazer reported yesterday that Arizona had been actively shopping Leinart.
Leinart has two years remaining on the six-year, $50.8 million deal he signed as the No. 10 overall pick in 2006. Should a team trade for him, they'll pay Leinart $2.49 million in base salary this year. He's scheduled to make $7.36 million in 2011, and will also be due a $5.5 million roster bonus on the first day of the next league year. He has completed 19 of 23 passes for 161 yards and one touchdown this preseason.
Ryan Fitzpatrick and Brian Brohm are currently battling for the top backup spot behind projected starter Trent Edwards on Buffalo's depth chart. Time will tell if Buffalo's "discussions," if they even occurred, will prolong their apparent interest in Leinart.
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…hmmm. I dont know how I feel about that. Would it be to compete with Edwards for the starting job? Or to back him up and if Edwards doesnt work out try Leinart? Either way… I still dont know how I feel about it…
Where else would you rather be?
This late in the process? Absolutely not. Trent’s the starter. Leinart would have a whole new playbook to learn.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 1, 2010 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions
And he’s done so well in the Arizona playbook he’s had for four years….
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 1, 2010 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions
True, I guess I should have been a little more clear… I meant would this be to groom Leinart into the starting role down the road… or is this strickly a backup QB thing? I would think that if we were serious about going after him its not for the #2 spot.
Where else would you rather be?
You’ve got to get to “we’re serious about going after him” first. This report does not say that. :)
by Brian Galliford on Sep 1, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions
buffalobills.com is reporting that this is an erroneous report….
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by fansince60 on Sep 1, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec’d
I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....
by J2 on Sep 1, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Not at that price. Why pay him that much to be your third QB for a few weeks while he learns the offense? It would be very strange.
The Giants make more sense since Sorgi went on IR. Where are the Seahawks in this????
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Where are the Seahawks in this????
There was a comment recently that, if Carroll wasn’t interested, that would be all ANYONE needs to know about Leinart.
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
by fansince60 on Sep 1, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
question
who the hell is schefters source? i can this is pure smoke, i seriously doubt nix is trying to trade for some over hyped bum 2 weeks before the season starts
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Well, Schefter’s not exactly going to reveal his source, is he, now?
Trust the accuracy of his reporting, and understand that all he’s saying is that the Bills have discussed it. Ultimately, it’s just a “put it on your radar” report, and not a “hey, this is imminent” report.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 1, 2010 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Any team that doesn’t have a true franchise QB should discuss it (like the Bills). Pulling the trigger is another thing altogether.
If he’s not traded it’s probably Leinart’s last year in Arizona. They won’t pay him that money next year.
by Pistol on Sep 1, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
Any team that doesn’t have a true franchise QB should discuss it (like the Bills)
Well put Pistol
Fear the Grier!!!!
and after getting Leinart, they still wouldn’t have a franchise QB let alone a TRUE franchise Qb.
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
The point is not that they should do it, just that when you don’t have a franchise QB, you should discuss every single NFL QB that becomes available. DISCUSS, not make a move
Fear the Grier!!!!
Why?
Has Leinart showed himself to be a true franchise QB? I would say no. So why discuss bringing him in. I believe someone mentioned the Bills to Schefter. I don’t believe he was told the truth.
Thing is, “discuss” has a lot of meanings. My guess is that it was technically discussed, but the discussion went something like this:
“Hey, the Cards called. They want to know if we’re interested.”
“What are they looking for in return? I’m not sure he’s a good fit for us.”
“They want your firstborn, your puppy, and your mother.”
“Naw, not interested.”
See? It’s been discussed. Doesn’t mean it’s happening. But he was told the truth.
"...and dance by the light of the moon!"
Trust the accuracy of his reporting,
like the bills were heartbroken we couldn’t trade back to get in the first round for Tebow, before Denver?
Buddy says it wasn’t true, they were trying to trade up for someone else, they were truthful about wanting a fast as a water bug scatback.
Schefter whiffs sometimes, just like everyone else too.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 1, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Right but unless he had a source say it, he wouldn’t say it. I’ll take his track record and play the percentages.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 1, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
EVERYONE whiffs. You can still trust him, no?
by Brian Galliford on Sep 1, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
we can trust him yes, but personally – I would rather this report be inaccurate
I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....
by J2 on Sep 1, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I should elaborate:
Obviously timing of this is an issue with me: Did this just occur or did it happen 4 months ago?
If it just happened then I wouldn’t like it from the perspective that Gailey/Nix have little faith in Edwards. I really don’t care about the backup QB position – I want Trent to have made enough strides this offseason and into the preseason that they wouldn’t be exploring any QB trades and see how he will do.
If they did it to shore up the backup QB position then I guess it’s ok. – but I don’t like this report. makes me uncomfortable
I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....
by J2 on Sep 1, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
A little nervous if Chan is willing to "discuss’ another QB at this juncture. Doesn’t say much about their faith in Trent, hopefully its nothing…
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by buffalobacker on Sep 1, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
50-50
he is right sometimes, he is wrong sometimes. Sometimes I think these guys are used by team front office tand agents to try to sway public opinion to accomplish something beneficial to them.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 1, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Let me assure you that this is not the case this time, at least in regards to Buffalo.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 1, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
If you are right.
That would bum me out if the front office would trade for a guy who has done nothing in the nfl and is set to make 7+ million and a 5.5 million roster bonus next year if you want to keep him with the current contract. That’s top 5 money. He has shown nothing to prove he is worth anything close to that, release is their only choice, wait it out.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 1, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
You misunderstand: I’m saying that Nix wouldn’t float this report to Schefter to try to get Bills fans excited. This comments section should be all the explanation you need.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 1, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
You misunderstand me
The Cardinals and Leinart’s agent would be the ones who would float the report, hoping to drum up some interest, before the release him.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 1, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah – I saw “front office” before “agents.” :)
by Brian Galliford on Sep 1, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I believe they were targeting Dan Williams.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 1, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I think so too, I think it was Williams.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 1, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Nooooooooo! Why?
a. his attitude sucks
b. his talent sucks
c. our right tackle situation sucks (left handed)
d. there’s talk of releasing him. Giving something for “nothing” would suck
e. all of the above
The correct answer is “e”.
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
BUT HES SOOOOOO PRETTY. hes always sooo pretty.
by quantumuprising on Sep 1, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I wonder?
How much of his signing bonus got dropped at Gucci?
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 1, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
probably because they were. i don’t see how this is relevant.
by quantumuprising on Sep 1, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
They Might Have Been "heartbroken" when Tebow was drafted
Doesn’t mean they wanted to draft him in the first round or the second.
I think nobody will trade nothing for him. First, his salary is too high for a backup. Second, his attitude has been a concern since he arrived in NFL, he could have all physical skills, but he doesn’t look like a leader to me.
Every QB that doesn’t work out in this league is immediately connected to Bills. My dream is that one day we will draft the franchise QB and all this reports will be over.
I wouldn't be adverse to spending a 6th on Leinart
But that contract would need to be re negotiated ASAP.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
by mob16151 on Sep 1, 2010 8:25 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The thought of this
Makes me appreceiate Fitzpatrick, Edwards and Brohm even more. Hell I wouldn’t trade Brown for him. Now you want to package a Tackle or an OLB, I would listen.
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No Way - Not a Proven QB
To think that he had Larry Fitzgerald to throw to, a good offensive line, and still has not done anything in the league – Means he is just another Brady Quinn possibly, or Tim Couch, etc. – Another over-hyped QB coming out of college, just like REggie Bush was over-hyped, who has done nothing!
- Bills should wait and see how Edwards does, and if he implodes, they have a shot at drafting some good QB’s coming out after this year- Luck, Lockett, Mallett, etc.
They need an offensive tackle more than anything!!!!!!!
This would be a dumb move and he is not used to playing in cold weather- HAven’e we learned from drafting QB’s from Southern California – Rob Johnson and JP Losman, of which Rob Johnson’s father was his QB coach!
Look at the receivers he's had to throw to
Fitzgerald, Boldan, Breaston… let him stink up some other team’s roster.
He’ll be out of football next year.
Too add
The Whizz is an offense guy, if Skeletor was his head coach, he might have been worth a look. But with Whisenhunt the coach, off to the release and a 3rd string gig in the NFL or a starting gig in the CFL or UFL.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 1, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Um
I do agree that we should not get Lienart, but…
Doesn’t Reggie Bush play for the DEFENDING SUPER BOWL CHAMPS?
Isn’t Trent Edwards a California boy?
Here's hoping!
Doesn’t Reggie Bush play for the DEFENDING SUPER BOWL CHAMPS?
And how many games has he missed with injuries?
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 1, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
12, not including playoffs. what’s your point?
by quantumuprising on Sep 1, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Anderson and Fitz a lot alike
Another reason I think DA was promoted over Leinart is because DA is a leader. He can get the others to rally around him as a team. Leinart may have better preseason stats, but there is a bad chemistry thing going on. We don’t need that here.
Anderson and Fitz a lot alike
I agree 100%
Throw in Cade McNown, he won some games too, but throws alot of groundballs.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 1, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Jack Kemp was from Cali.
Two time AFL Champion QB. Not about where they’re from. About how well
they play. Brady is from Cali. He doesn’t have any problems.
Coaching. Motivation. Leadership. Accountability.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 1, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
This is
the last thing we need. Unless they are releasing fitz or brohm and trading the other to AZ for Leinart to sit the bench I guess.
It seems like Uncle Jesse and Cooter have a plan. I wish Waylon Jennings was still around to be narrator.
The clip of Arizona’s coach saying (indirectly, more or less) that Leinart’s not starting because he can’t lead the team effectively ought to be enough to not be interested.
I remember a lot of Bills fans wanting Leinart in the draft.
Poz, cough
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 1, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
no thank you
We don’t need a spoiled kid with a bad attitude.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
IMO, if he gets traded, its to only the Giants.
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I don't think
there is one thing I like about Matt Leinart. Not one.
"I don't agree with a damn thing you say, but I would die for your right to say it."
"If I had to do it all over again, I'd do it all over again."
Pansy.
You know it would suck if some old man came in and took my job for a few years, I had a sour attitude and lacked developing chemistry with my team.
Now its his job to lose huh? He needs to stop crying to the media, and be a man. Matt could use a second chance or change of scenery but buffalo is not the place.
Not to mention I’ve heard many interviews with his coach on the radio and he has never sounded confident in Leinart being a lock. It speaks volumes when you pick up 2 qbs in the offseason.
by sketchydave on Sep 1, 2010 9:15 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Nope--Nada--Never...
As it was pointed out he has been on a very good offensive team and couldn’t make an impression on Coach Whisenhunt as to why he should start. He is over priced and if he can’t clearly beat out Derek Anderson there is no need to bring him to Buffalo.
He has become better known as Matt Whine-art!!!
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by Goose22 on Sep 1, 2010 9:21 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
He has become better known as Matt Whine-art!!!
nice one, reccd
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 1, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
GAHHHHHHHHHHH
My virgin morning eyes! Don’t do this to me, don’t do it!
Leinart stinks. I don’t think the Bills are dumb enough to do this. Again, Leinart stinks.
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"Leinart stinks"
Leinart stinks—Leinart stinks-Leinart stinks-Leinart stinks!!
Yes I agree……
"When life throws you a curve ball, that doesn’t mean you have to swing."
Matt Leinart stinks.
Drew Bledsoe had more mobility
JP Losman has more pocket presence.
Billie Joe Tolliver had more leadership abilities.
And he has a slow release.
He does not seem to fit the Gailey QB mold.
If this says anything at all, it is that the Chix boys don’t exactly have a boatload of confidence in our QB triumverate.
Try to avoid smelling the bottom of the barrel Chix. The smell is putrid.
And for their first pick in the 2011 draft the Buffalo Bills select ...........
Ahh, we're back to the
“Cowher spotted in Buffalo” stories. Love this new journalism.
I don’t buy this at all. Schefter may be one of the more reliable sources, but like any journalist that reports rumors, he’s stretched them before and i’m confident he’s doing it now. This would be the worst move possible for the Bills, to the point I don’t think they’d take any initiative beyond courteously answering AZ’s call and politely saying no effing way. Trent is not better than many fringe starters in this league, but he’s definitely better than Leinart. The dude is soft, has a miserable throwing motion, a weak arm and limited leadership. He hasn’t been able to figure it out with four years behind Kurt Warner, I just don’t think he’s ever going to. I’d take our qb situation over AZ’s in a minute. The only thing that could make ours worse would be to add a pricey contract and a crappy player to our mix. Sorry Schefter but you’re reporting this purely because it’s trendy to knock on the Bills qb situation.
Enjoying my annual three months of optimism.
My take on Matt Leinart
Matt Leinart’s history:
- Three year starter for USC
- Won the Heisman trophy, and 2 major Bowl MVPs
- #10 player drafted in the 2006 NFL draft.
- Started 11 games in 2006, posting a 74 passer rating, scored 13 TDs to 12 INTs, completing 57% of his passes, and averaging 227 passing yards per game.
- In 2007, started his first 5 games, got injured, and ended up getting permanently replaced by Kurt Warner.
- So far in the preseason, he’s posted the following passer ratings from 2006 to 2010: 95.5, 103, 73.8, 85.9, and 110.
- Currently on the trading block and cutting room floor due to a dicey relationship between him and Wisenhunt.
So as far as I can see, Leinart has yet to prove he’s failure or a success story. Other than 2006, he really has not had much opportunities to start in the NFL, and develop any type of rhythm.
Should the Bills pick him up? Absolutely. Nobody knows exactly what they have in Leinart, and if they pick him up from the waiver wire, he can play for peanuts and compete for the 2011 starting QB position. And if he shows the same type of “leadership” as in Arizona, then release him. But if he resembles anything like his USC days, then the Bills just got a major steal.
by Henry_Gale on Sep 1, 2010 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Nice
Rec’d, because you got facts to back up opinion. And it really makes sense. Cost would probably be overriding factor for Buffalo, any ideas on what they want for him?
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by buffalobacker on Sep 1, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you
If the Cardinals part ways with Leinart, they will most likely cut him. I don’t see any team willing to pay him 15 mill for the next two seasons. He’s too unproven. But if the Cards do cut Leinart, then I can see the Bills picking him up for a salary between 500k and 3 per season (starting in 2011).
OK
Under those circumstances we’d be remiss not to attempt to give him a look see! Like guy below says, remember the QB’s we have now and their track record.
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by buffalobacker on Sep 1, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Forgetful...
It’s amazing how easily people forget how crappy our QBs are. A couple decent preseason games and, all of a sudden, everyone’s content with our QB situation — despite the terrible play we witnessed in real games all of last season.
It’s fine if we pass on him, but saying “I’m satisfied with our QBs right now” as your reason is incredibly amnesiac.
It’s amazing how easily people forget how crappy our QBs are
to me FF it’s not a guarantee that our QBs are crappy – they’ve certainly looked that way – but when you take into consideration all the things that has happened over the last 3 years here you get uncomfortable.
you do know that last year at this time Trent Edwards had his 4th offensive coordinator in 3 seasons – how does that happen? from all accounts he was being told different information from different coaches that couldnt’ coach their way out of a paper bag.
couple that with Whitners comments about how other teams knew what we were going to do and we made no adjustments then you have to take into consideration that maybe the players weren’t entirely at fault.
i’m willing to give Trent another chance for sure. that’s without bringing up how we started 5+ offensive line combinations last year and had starters starting on the line mere weeks after being signed by the club in the middle of the season.
maybe I pay too much attention to the Bills – but that’s a whole lot right there going against an offense and against a QB when their trying to be successful
I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....
by J2 on Sep 2, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Trading for Leinart would hurt my brain.
I can’t see why they’d do it unless there was a major injury among their current QBs to compensate for. Now if this guy was just free for the taking on the waiver wire and they could scoop him up, then renegotiate a contract…maybe i’m okay with it.
He’s a lefty, so the problems become new for the OL. He’s had maybe 1 or 2 standout games in his career. He can’t shake Derek Anderson. The Cardinals wouldn’t be willing to give him up or dump him outright if he was worth investing much more into.
Please no Buffalo. Please no. It’s time to stop bringing in retreads at QB.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 1, 2010 9:20 PM EDT reply actions
If I only had a brain...
Trading for Leinart would hurt it. I just read that Oakland is denying that they were involved too. If I had to guess I would say that Schefter’s sources are from Arizona. Maybe AZ thought they could trade Leinart to someone else and floated the story about other teams interested to make the undisclosed team panic and make the trade happen. But no one is going to trade for him now since he’s about to get cut.
I wouldn’t be against us giving Leinart a shot, but not this season. We all saw what bringing in a QB in the middle of season did for Brohm. There’s no way he’d be ready. And so far I really like what I’ve seen out of Trent and the OL.
Now if we’re talking teams like Seattle, Minnesota, or Cleveland – sure. I can believe the rumor.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 2, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Trading for Leinart would hurt my brain.
that’s pretty much were i’m at
He’s a lefty, so the problems become new for the OL
to an extent maybe, but not all that much. The D’s best pass rushers are still goign to be lined up across from teh LT more times than not anyways.
I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....
by J2 on Sep 2, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Derek Anderson
Just moving through the league, destroying the careers of over-hyped first rounders. . .
lol
No doubt.. But I’m kinda curious about Matt, if he’s cut … His stats are good ..
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by buffalobacker on Sep 1, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
His stats are good?! If you mean this preseason, there’s no way 13 passes is enough to say he’s been “good.”
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 2, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
career stats
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by buffalobacker on Sep 2, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice!!!!!!!
Just moving through the league, destroying the careers of over-hyped first rounders. . .
That is a great line
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